PipeChat Digest #740 - Sunday, March 7, 1999
 
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com>
Estey Reed Organ
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
Fw: Bish Bashing
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Help!!
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: Ms Bish
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Fw: Bish Bashing
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Fw: Fw: Bish Bashing
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Shalom
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Shalom
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Diane Bish.................
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
Re: Ms Bish
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Recital vs. Concert
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: Bish Bashing
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Shalom
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Ms Bish
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: Inclusive Language
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Inclusive Language
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Fw: Bish Bashing
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Recital vs. Concert
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
RE: Inclusive Language
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Fw: Bish Bashing
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Carnegie Institute (was Re: Frederic Archer)
  by "Bruce Schutrum" <schutrum@sssnet.com>
Spencer Blower Question -Is there any way I determine Static Pressure wit
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Fw: Inclusive Language
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: HOLYMUSIC@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 06:55:09 EST   That's why these guys are so upset about Ms. Bish----none of her gowns fit them!  
(back) Subject: Estey Reed Organ From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 06:12:36 -0600   Greetings:   The price asked for this instrument, even with a 40% discount seems rather high.   Don't jump and buy this instrument without checking the mechanism throughout.   The case may look fine but, (1) Is the high top mising? (2) Is all the inner mechanism present? (3) Is there any moth damage? (3) Is there any mouse damage? (4) Are the reed cells in good condition? (5) Has there been any water damage? (6) Are there any cracks in the reed pan? (7) Can the case be cleaned, or will it need to be refinished? (8) Does the instrument have the original bench?   I suggest you check with the reed organ society on the internet. There are several fine books on restoration of these instruments. Most of them give good advice. The work is not difficult, but you will really get your hands dirty!   And, be sure you have large living quarters or storage space. One reed organ leads to another, to another, to another! I now have about five, including a French Mustel in the process of restoration!   Good luck!   Tom Gregory Waukesha WI USA              
(back) Subject: Fw: Bish Bashing From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 08:08:59 -0500   I was just defending Ms Bishs' efforts in presenting "Joy of Music" and her European tours. The comments on riding a Harley and using too many 16 ' stops on the instruments was the focus of the post. I'm happy she is doing what she is doing. You go girl ! !   Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: William Lengyel <theorganist@webtv.net> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 1:50 AM Subject: Bish Bashing     Mr. Veague,   I have just finished reading every post with reference to Ms Bish-saved, sent and discarded and must have missed something. I could not find any posts that bashed her. Would you kindly forward the one(s) in question to me.   William Lengyel     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Help!! From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:17:14 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 9:40:30 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Will I know Bellows are intact merely by playing it? Or will I have to open up the console and look? by playing, I mean pumping and playing >>   Neil,   You should be able to tell VERY quickly, just by pumping and playing, on two accounts: 1) The sound produced(and you should be able to hear leaks if the leather has rotted). 2) By how fast you have to pump.   Good luck,   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:18:20 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 6:28:22 PM Central Standard Time, dgoward@uswest.net writes:   << Is it even slightly possible that this fad of "inclusive" language is just one more symptom of the hyper-sensitive politically correct "Bowdlerism" that's making the rounds today? >> Dennis, I agree with you. And just a thought from my recent reading of "The Myth of Male Power" (a book good for raising blood pressure): If God is possibly a she, then is it possible the devil also is a she? Maynard  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:18:33 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 5:37:39 PM Central Standard Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << And the WOMEN are the most militant about NOT changing anything ... go figure. >> Three cheers for the women in your church. It sounds like they're part of the (I suspect) majority of women who don't spend their lives beating their breasts about how hard it is to be a woman, but rather concentrate on being good humans and Christians. Maynard  
(back) Subject: Re: Ms Bish From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:23:02 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 10:37:18 PM Central Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << 've been reading the posts on the Bish-bashers, and the Liberace costume wardrobe. Have you forgotten Ms Bish is the only person who has/ had a weekly television program featuring pipes from Europe?--- and very nicely done too. You nor I could never afford to do what SHE has done in promoting the instrument. >>   Not at all... I agree that she has done A LOT to promote "pipe organ awareness" via the medium of her television show (albeit corny at times). But, if we can't poke fun at ourselves as a whole... who can we???   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:23:48 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 12:32:26 AM Central Standard Time, Bald1@prodigy.net writes:   << > << Of course there are pipe organs in Kansas. > John > And they are equipped with cyclone blowers. >>   I like your sense of humor!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:25:52 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 5:56:55 AM Central Standard Time, HOLYMUSIC@aol.com writes:   << That's why these guys are so upset about Ms. Bish----none of her gowns fit them! >>   ROFLMAO.... Amen to that!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Bish Bashing From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:28:06 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 7:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << The comments on riding a Harley >>   She does ride a motorcycle (Harley or whatever) and she dons leather attire while doing so... not a bash at all... only the TRUTH.   John  
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: Bish Bashing From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:07:28 -0500   Well after all, Virgil Fox would wear a cape and rhinestone shoes....and here I am stuck with a suit and tie, and my moccasins. Hehehehe.   Rick   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Bish Bashing     >In a message dated 3/7/99 7:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net >writes: > ><< The comments on riding a Harley >> > >She does ride a motorcycle (Harley or whatever) and she dons leather attire >while doing so... not a bash at all... only the TRUTH. > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:18:02 EST   In a message dated 3/6/99 10:35:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   << s the church of which you speak associated with a particular denomination? Bill >> Dear Bill:   Yes, it's First Presbyterian, Palo Alto.   Lynda Alexander  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:24:31 -0800   > > Think about women's rights in the 19th century and THAT will give you some > idea about how "inclusive" this hymn was. We didn't even have the vote!!! I > haven't seen any woman commenting about the so-called "inclusiveness" of this > hymn... > > I am not from the die-hard school where I would ever consider re-writing > Messiah, but when it is appropiate, it is important. I have seen what it can > do in a congregation that is way ahead of its time (since 1970) inclusive > language has been upheld. This church is just down the road from Stanford, we > have some very liberal, highly educated members (Robert McAfee Brown, for one) > who value every human and stand for truth and justice. Our mission statement > stresses the importance of this (inclusiveness) and states that gays and > lesbians are welcome. This, to me is what Christ was about... > > Lynda Alexander > Palo Alto > I was suggesting, based on the definition of the word "man" when the hymn was written, that it may already have been inclusive in nature and that we do not have to throw the hymn out because of it. You have a different opinion, which you are entitled to. However, you have implied that, because I suggest the langauge of the time was different, that somehow I do not value every human being and nothing could be further from the truth. You also seem to imply that I am against inclusive language and that's not what I said, either. I am also very liberal and educated, which you also seem to imply I am not. Some very educated and forward thinking individuals have also concluded that the term "man" as used in our language years ago was already inclusive. That is not to say that everything was ideal and that equality existed ... that's not even true now inspite of inclusive language. It's true that equal rights for women have been very lacking in the past, as well as rights for gays and lesbians. I am 100% for equal rights for all, and you seem to imply I am not. It seems to you read a lot more into my suggestion that the hymn may have been inclusive in its time that was there.   Jason McGuire  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:32:55 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 6:20:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, Icorgan@aol.com writes:   << eading of "The Myth of Male Power" (a book good for raising blood pressure): If God is possibly a she, then is it possible the devil also is a she? Maynard >> Or quite possibly neither... Lynda  
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:38:51 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 7:29:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, jason@johannus- norcal.com writes:   << However, you have implied that, because I suggest the langauge of the time was different, that somehow I do not value every human being and nothing could be further from the truth. You also seem to imply that I am against inclusive language and that's not what I said, either. I am also >> Dear Jason:   Sorry you read so many implications into my message...there was nothing implied there at all. I'm assuming all our august readers on this list are highly educated or else they wouldn't be playing the organ!!! I think the best we can do about inclusive language is agree to disagree.   Sincerely, Lynda Alexander  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:05:03 -0500 (EST)   For the inclusive language folkes, I submit, from the Chauvinist Piggy Press:     How many men does it take to open a beer? None. It should be opened by the time she brings it.   Why is a Laundromat a really bad place to pick up a woman? Because a woman who can't even afford a washing machine will never be able to support you.   Why do women have smaller feet than men? So they can stand closer to the kitchen sink.   How do you know when a woman's about to say something smart? When she starts her sentence with "A man once told me..."   How do you fix a woman's watch? You don't. There's a clock on the oven!   Why do men pass gas more than women do? Because women won't shut up long enough to build up pressure.   If your dog is barking at the back door and your wife is yelling at the front door, which do you let in first?   The dog of course...at least he'll shut up after you let him in.   All wives are alike, but they have different faces so you can tell them apart.   What's worse than a Male Chauvinist Pig? A woman that won't do what she's told.   What do you call a woman with two brain cells? Pregnant.   I married Miss Right. I just didn't know her first name was Always.   I haven't spoken to my wife for 18 months - I don't like to interrupt her.   What do you call a woman who has lost 95% of her intelligence? Divorced.   Bigamy is having one wife too many. Some say monogamy is the same.   Scientists have discovered one certain food that diminishes a woman's sex drive by 90%...wedding cake   But... just to be fair:   1. Dogs lie around all day, sprawled on the most comfortable piece of furniture in the house. 2. They can hear a package of food opening half a block away, but don't hear you when you're in the same room. 3. They can look dumb and lovable all at the same time. 4. They growl when they are not happy. 5. When you want to play, they want to play. 6. When you want to be alone, they want to play. 7. They are great at begging. 8. They will love you forever if you rub their tummies. 9. They leave their toys everywhere. 10. They do disgusting things with their mouths and then try to give you a kiss.   Conclusion: They're tiny men in little fur coats.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish................. From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:12:10 -0600   Speaking of Diane Bish, I caught the opening portion of the Coral Ridge Presbyterian program this morning and Ms. Bish was playing the organ. So, apparently, she is still associated with Coral Ridge in some form. I also surmised that the choir was performing one of her arrangements with orchestra and organ.     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark Reeves, Director of Music, Organist First United Methodist Church Canton, Texas +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Redman Organ (Op. 10, 1975 * 2/21) - - http://www.angelfire.com/tx/FUMCMusicOrgan/organ1.html FUMC-Canton Homepage - - http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Contact me by ICQ: - - http://wwp.icq.com/3522392 ----- Original Message ----- From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Diane Bish.................        
(back) Subject: Re: Ms Bish From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:17:24 -0600   ooops. I'm assuming that the program is not a Re-run... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark Reeves, Director of Music, Organist First United Methodist Church Canton, Texas +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Redman Organ (Op. 10, 1975 * 2/21) - - http://www.angelfire.com/tx/FUMCMusicOrgan/organ1.html FUMC-Canton Homepage - - http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Contact me by ICQ: - - http://wwp.icq.com/3522392      
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:16:25 EST   Now Bruce, THAT was inclusive!!! Thanks for a sense of humour!   Lynda Alexander (and this all began with a hymn #666)  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:29:37 -0500 (EST)   >If God is possibly a she, then is it possible the > devil also is a she? Huh! I thought that was a given!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Recital vs. Concert From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:54:47 -0500   Can someone please tell me why we use 'recital' for an organ concert?   Rick.      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Bish Bashing From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:21:09 -0800   At 09:28 AM 3/7/1999 EST, DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/7/99 7:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net >writes: > ><< The comments on riding a Harley >> > >She does ride a motorcycle (Harley or whatever) and she dons leather attire >while doing so... not a bash at all... only the TRUTH. > So WHAT? I ride a Harley, wear a leather fringed jacket, have long hair and a 'stache, and I play the organ, also. WANNA MAKE SUMPTHIN' OF IT?   heheheh!   DeserTBoB   PS: I don't like loading up the manuals with too much 16' tone, however...;-)    
(back) Subject: Re: Shalom From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:33:39 -0800   > > Sorry you read so many implications into my message...there was nothing > implied there at all. I'm assuming all our august readers on this list are > highly educated or else they wouldn't be playing the organ!!! I think the > best we can do about inclusive language is agree to disagree. >   Dear Linda,   Thank you for your e-mail. I don't think we really disagree. I support inclusive language, as I said. I only suggest the possibility that the definition of "man" does not necessarily need to be viewed as excluding women, as the dictionary has it defined. Where individuals use it in an exclusionary manner with regard to human rights or equality, that is wrong, and whatever we can do to highten awareness of the equality of all is good. I'm just saying that there are, to me, times when we can still use the word "man" in the all-inclusive definition of humanity. I like some of the old hymns and never thought of their use of the word "man" as excluding women.   Here are two definitions of "man" from the dictionary we might find interesting. These are not the entire definition, but it seems to indicate to me, at least by definition, that the word need not always be exclusive.   First, from the Noah-Webstern 1828 dictionary, probably the source in use when a lot of our hymns were written: "MAN. 1. Mankind; the human race; the whole species of human beings; beings distinguished from all other animals by the powers of reason and speech, as well as by their shape and dignified aspect."   Second, from Webster's New World Dictionary, 1988: "MAN. 1. a human being; person; ... 2. the human race; mankind."   Both dictionaries further expound the definition and include other aspects, including the male useage.   I am totally for equality for all individuals. I also support rights for animals and I think that humanity has a long, long way to go on both counts.   Thanks for all you and your church are doing to increase awareness around this. Someday I would like to visit your church.   Sincerely, Jason McGuire  
(back) Subject: Re: Ms Bish From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:12:11 EST   In a message dated 3/7/99 10:17:36 AM Central Standard Time, mreeves@vzinet.com writes:   << ooops. I'm assuming that the program is not a Re-run... >>   No, according to her website she still plays on occasion there... sorta like the organist titular.   John  
(back) Subject: RE: Inclusive Language From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:51:46 -0700   > Three cheers for the women in your church. It sounds like they're > part of the > (I suspect) majority of women who don't spend their lives beating their > breasts about how hard it is to be a woman, but rather > concentrate on being > good humans and Christians. > Maynard     OOOH! What he said! Obviously a single man! But I like him.   Here's food for thought: If "man" in the bible is inclusive, and God said "Let us make MAN in OUR image", then He makes male and female, is it possible that Male and female together equal the image of God? Men and Women all have different characteristics that seem oddly opposite, but often are complementary in a couple. So perhaps 1 male and 1 female equal 1 "image of God"?   Just a thought.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: RE: Inclusive Language From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:48:06 -0700     > ...just a thought from my recent reading of "The Myth of > Male Power" (a book good for raising blood pressure): If God is possibly a > she, then is it possible the devil also is a she?     Don't know about God being a she, in fact I'm pretty sure that God does not have specific gender. AS to the devil being a SHE, that would explain quite a bit.   Dennis GOward (Ducking under the desk)    
(back) Subject: RE: Fw: Bish Bashing From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:54:38 -0700   > > She does ride a motorcycle (Harley or whatever) and she dons > leather attire > while doing so... not a bash at all... only the TRUTH. >   Boy, now that's got to be an image.   There used to be a theatre pipe organ installed in a motorcycle shop -- a Joe Coons owned it I think. Too bad it's not still there. What a "Joy of Music" Program that would make!   Personally I have great respect for what this lady does. If there were more high-visibility organists like her, we wouldn't be moaning the possible end of the organ.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital vs. Concert From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:35:26 -0600 (CST)   At 11:54 AM 3/7/99 -0500, Rick wrote:   >Can someone please tell me why we use 'recital' for an organ concert?   Traditionally (and linguistically) a concert involves more than one player, while a recital is generally of a single performer.   John.    
(back) Subject: RE: Inclusive Language From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:57:01 -0700       > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > bruce cornely > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 1999 9:05 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Inclusive Language > > I've said it before, I'll say it again --Bruce, you're bad.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: RE: Fw: Bish Bashing From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:58:29 -0700   > So WHAT? I ride a Harley, wear a leather fringed jacket, have > long hair and > a 'stache, and I play the organ, also. WANNA MAKE SUMPTHIN' OF IT?   Depends . . .How do you look in a floor length gown with sequins?   D  
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Institute (was Re: Frederic Archer) From: Bruce Schutrum <schutrum@sssnet.com> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 13:54:01 +0000   > > The Skinner reffered to is in fact in Saint John the Baptist RC. in > Canton, Ohio. It was installed by Charles Kegg of Kegg Pipe Organ > Builders of Greentown, Ohio and the late Charles W. Blair - former > Director of Music/Organist at St. John's.   Make that Uniontown; Greentown is just south. > I don't have all the rks. and history of the organ at hand but if any > one is interested - I can find out all the info and post it, if anyone > is interested. This organ is comprised of two Skinners; the one from > Pittsburgh and one from New York City.   To quote from a 1984 program, Charles Blair wrote, "By obtaining a 1913 Skinner from Akron and parts of a 1924 Skinner from Pittsburgh (solo division, parts of the choir and great divisions and pedal Bourdon) we had our Romantic Skinner ranks." "The Great Principals and Mixture, the Positif division and the Trompette-en-chamade were all built by A.R. Schopp's Sons, Inc of Alliance. The resulting seventy rank instrument is predominantly Skinner with suitable new additions..."   I believe a flute celeste from the Pittsburgh Skinner was given to Church of The Savior UM in Canton for its 1951 AS.   Bruce R. Schutrum Organist-Director St. Peter's Episcopal Church Akron, Ohio schutrum@sssnet.com    
(back) Subject: Spencer Blower Question -Is there any way I determine Static Pressure without Firing it up? (X-POSTED) From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 17:30:09 -0800   Dear Lists:   I am looking for someone with enough experience with Spencer blowers that they could give me a pretty good idea of what the expected Static Pressure of a blower would be by the # of fan blades on the impeller unit.   We have a 7.5 HP Spencer unit in the shop that was dismantled for the purposes of removal and transport, but it has no brass tag which indicates either the CFM or the anticipated static pressure.   Putting the unit together and then running it would be a daunting task for us at best.   Anyone out there got any secrets in this regard that they'd be willing to share?   Private EMAIL is fine if the Lists aren't interested in the diatribe.   Thanks in advance for the anticipated assistance!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)  
(back) Subject: Fw: Inclusive Language From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 19:03:20 -0500   Good thought, Dennis. Hadn't thought of that.   Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: RE: Inclusive Language     >> Three cheers for the women in your church. It sounds like they're >> part of the >> (I suspect) majority of women who don't spend their lives beating their >> breasts about how hard it is to be a woman, but rather >> concentrate on being >> good humans and Christians. >> Maynard > > >OOOH! What he said! Obviously a single man! But I like him. > >Here's food for thought: If "man" in the bible is inclusive, and God said >"Let us make MAN in OUR image", then He makes male and female, is it >possible that Male and female together equal the image of God? Men and >Women all have different characteristics that seem oddly opposite, but often >are complementary in a couple. So perhaps 1 male and 1 female equal 1 >"image of God"? > >Just a thought. > >Dennis > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >