PipeChat Digest #745 - Tuesday, March 9, 1999
 
Re: Diane Bish
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
Fw: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Announcement
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net>
RE: Announcement
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
RE: Announcement
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
I'm BACK..............
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
Re: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV)
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
RE: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Go Ye And Do Likewise!!!
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Diane Bish TBN time
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Go Ye And Do Likewise!!!
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Who sets techique?  (was Bish TBN time)
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Re: Who sets techique?  (was Bish TBN time)
  by "Matt Baker" <poinsettia@netxn.com>
RE: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Entrance Exam
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Who sets techique?  (was Bish TBN time)
  by <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com>
RE: Who sets techique?  (was Bish TBN time)
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Who sets techique?
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 02:57:32 -0800   My TV-guide says Joy of Music is on TBN Tuesdays at 9am (PST). I know it used to be on Fridays at 5:30 too. It's been a couple of months since I've watched (I keep forgetting), but I'm pretty sure you'd se it tomorrow at 9 (I'll try and remember to check).   Most are reruns: I think she only does about 20 shows a year or so.   Icorgan@aol.com wrote:   > Don't feel bad. The only place I could get it around here was from TBN, at > 7:30 on a Friday morning (Geez! some of us have to work for a living). > Anyway, it's not on anymore, not even re-runs. My guess is she had too much > class for them. Now they have Dino in that time slot. We could bash him for > a while, but he's only a pianist. > Maynard > Iowa City IA   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: Fw: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:24:50 -0500   No particular ' armchair ' critic in mind, just some I've run into in my travels. One I remember tho, said," that isn't the way that's played "... so I stopped (knowing full well I was playing it right)...and asked him to sit down and show me how it's done. His reply, " oh, I can't play ." Other similar occurences have I seen in the past. If they can't do it, then let them push their weight on someone else.   Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: Larry Hoey <96606351@mail.clarityconnect.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger     >Rick - >Care to elaborate on which "armchair" critic are you referring to? > >Larry >-----Original Message----- >From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> >To: e-mail organ chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:58 PM >Subject: Fw: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger > > >>Oh, the poor armchair critic-- knows everything, but can't play a lick. >>My heart does not bleed for them. >> >>Rick. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Larry Hoey <96606351@mail.clarityconnect.com> >>To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:48 PM >>Subject: Re: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ManderUSA@aol.com <ManderUSA@aol.com> >>>To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>>Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:22 PM >>>Subject: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger >>> >>> >>>Malcolm Wechsler writes: >>> >>>Virgil is rightly credited with many pithy comments, widely quoted by his >>>many >>>fans. The above wonderful response to a bad review, however, came from Max >>>Reger, as quoted in the Slonimsky "Lexicon of Musical Invective." >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Malcolm Wechsler >>> >>> >>> >>>Malcolm - "Thank you" for the correction. It's easy to imagine Reger's >>>story becoming Fox's; especially if you had ever heard Virgil tell the >>>story. My point was simply to encourage organists to do a public concert >>>once in a while and not lose any sleep over what some isolated low life >>>"critic" might have to say about your performance. If you've prepared >>>yourself mentally and musically well enough in advance, there's really >>>nothing to sweat about doing a concert. You'll in fact be your own worst >>>critic and who could possibly be any tougher than that? >>>Salute. >>> >>>Larry Hoey >>> >>> >>>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>> >> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Announcement From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:44:50 -0600   Charles Brown wrote: > > Just to let everyone know....If you need to buy music, I just completed a   Thanks for the info...just visited the site and ordered some organ books that I thought were out of print and unavailable. Set a book mark for the site as I expect to go back.   regards,   Jon  
(back) Subject: RE: Announcement From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:55:26 -0500   Jon:   Much thanks for the good word. If you access it, please do it through my website so we can get some credit. I hope it works out well for you. i just ordered about $500.00 worth of stuff myself..LOL   Keep in touch!!   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Jon C. Habermaas > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:45 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Announcement > > > Charles Brown wrote: > > > > Just to let everyone know....If you need to buy music, I just > completed a > > Thanks for the info...just visited the site and ordered some organ > books that I thought were out of print and unavailable. Set a book > mark for the site as I expect to go back. > > regards, > > Jon > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Announcement From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:00:13 -0500   Whoops..   Sorry...I thought I was responding back to Jon privately!!!   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Charles Brown > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:55 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: RE: Announcement > > > Jon: > > Much thanks for the good word. If you access it, please do it through my > website so we can get some credit. I hope it works out well for > you. i just > ordered about $500.00 worth of stuff myself..LOL > > Keep in touch!! > > Charles E. Brown > http://www.classicalcorner.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > > Jon C. Habermaas > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 11:45 AM > > To: PipeChat > > Subject: Re: Announcement > > > > > > Charles Brown wrote: > > > > > > Just to let everyone know....If you need to buy music, I just > > completed a > > > > Thanks for the info...just visited the site and ordered some organ > > books that I thought were out of print and unavailable. Set a book > > mark for the site as I expect to go back. > > > > regards, > > > > Jon > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: I'm BACK.............. From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:26:09 PST   O.k. It's nice to be here again. I used to be Orgel1@fcmail.com but that e-mail system crashed so I had to re-subscribe using my hotmail address so anyway just thought you migh tlike to know that.     Daryl Robinson   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800   At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I have found >that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on Tuesdays.   Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene today with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite hard at bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish Bashers bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm?   DeserTBoB   PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather than what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard on pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, anyway.... ;-)      
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:22:25 PST   O.K. so maybe I do bash Bish. Have you ever met her? her last name sometimes gets changed by those that are around her for a while. yea sure I gotta give her credit for all that she has done to boost the organ but she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her technique literally SUCKS!!! But I guess when you got shoes like those anythings possible!     >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800 >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, pipechat@pipechat.org >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> >Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >>Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I have found >>that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on Tuesdays. > >Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this >morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene today >with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite hard at >bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish Bashers >bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm? > >DeserTBoB > >PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather than >what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard on >pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, >anyway.... ;-) > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV) From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:42:03 -0800   St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church 1723 Westcliff Drive Newport Beach CA 92660-5529 USA   The Rev'd Stephen C. Scarlett, Rector Bud Clark, Organist/Choirmaster   Traditional Episcopal Worship using the King James Bible, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the Anglican Missal, and the 1940 Hymnal   The Fourth Sunday in Lent (commonly called Refreshment or Laetare Sunday) Sung Mass at 10:15 a.m.   Voluntary - Rhosymedre - Vaughn Williams Hymn - O Mother Dear, Jerusalem - Kingsfold Introit - Laetare - Healy Willan (SATB) Kyrie - Merbecke Gradual-Psalm 23 - Dominus regit me - Anglican chant Hymn - God the Father - Lebbaeus (metrical litany) Anthem - The Garden Hymn - early American Sanctus & Benedictus - Merbecke Great Amen - Three-fold Danish Agnus Dei - Merbecke Communion - Jerusalem, quae aedificatur - fauxbourdon (with Psalm 122 - Gregorian) Hymn - Jerusalem, My Happy Home - Land of Rest Hymn - Jerusalem the Golden - Aurelia Hymn - Day by Day - Sumner Voluntary - "Little" Prelude and Fugue in F Major - Bach       Just another simple protestant communion service (grin!) ...   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:22:26 PST   O.K. so maybe I do bash Bish. Have you ever met her? her last name sometimes gets changed by those that are around her for a while. yea sure I gotta give her credit for all that she has done to boost the organ but she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her technique literally SUCKS!!! But I guess when you got shoes like those anythings possible!     >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800 >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, pipechat@pipechat.org >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> >Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >>Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I have found >>that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on Tuesdays. > >Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this >morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene today >with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite hard at >bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish Bashers >bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm? > >DeserTBoB > >PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather than >what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard on >pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, >anyway.... ;-) > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:47:09 -0500   Daryl wrote: she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her > technique literally SUCKS!!!   Who cares what a jury would think? A jury would probably find fault with Fox also as evidenced by the many kind words expressed about him, during his lifetime, by the various journals of the AGO.   Would any member of that jury have accomplished what she has? And what is wrong with her technique?   She is unorthodox both in marketing and performance. But art is about creating, not conforming to some artificial standard put forth by a bunch of people who have not produced anything superior. Art is about being unorthodox. If our only concern is what a jury would think, why not program a computer to play the organ along the predecided guidelines of the jury?   The ultimate judge of art is not what people think but whether the artist, the person doing the creating, has accomplished and realized their vision. It is very easy to stand in judgement of others, but what does that accomplish?   I have heard Ms. Bish and can say that in many instances she has brought some fresh insight into the music and, like Fox, she has done one hell of a job of bringing the instrument before the public in a positive light.   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Daryl Robinson > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:22 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time > > > O.K. so maybe I do bash Bish. Have you ever met her? her last name > sometimes gets changed by those that are around her for a while. yea > sure I gotta give her credit for all that she has done to boost the > organ but she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her > technique literally SUCKS!!! But I guess when you got shoes like those > anythings possible! > > > >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800 > >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, pipechat@pipechat.org > >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> > >Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time > >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > > >At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: > >>Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I > have found > >>that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on > Tuesdays. > > > >Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this > >morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene > today > >with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite > hard at > >bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish > Bashers > >bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm? > > > >DeserTBoB > > > >PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather > than > >what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard > on > >pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, > >anyway.... ;-) > > > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Go Ye And Do Likewise!!! From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:00:07 -0800   I have stayed out of the Bish discussion (mostly because I know some WILD stories ... grin!), but no more.   Diane Bish, like The Fox before her, has done more to MARKET the organ (and I don't mean her Allen series!) than anyone else in this country, with the possible exception of E. Power Biggs. Others would probably add Carlo Curley and the late Ted Alan Worth to that list.   What they all have (had) in common was showpersonship and communication with their audiences; they play music that MOVES people, in a WAY that also moves them.   I am of the considered opinion that the worst of the neo-classical movement in the '60s and the (blank) retentive attitudes of conservatory teachers and students in no small measure have brought the organ to its present low estate. I remember attending one recital of early English organ music at Union during the height of all this ... the organist didn't use his FEET until after intermission! Now, a recital of early English organ music MAY be appropriate in an academic setting, BUT ... if that's the kind of thing that students are taking out into the PARISHES, then we're in BIG trouble.   One could wish for a return of the "old days" when the late Dr. Edwin Arthur Kraft used to pack the recital hall side of Public Hall in Cleveland for his recitals on the mighty five-manual E.M. Skinner. He played Bach, to be sure; but he also played music people could ENJOY. No crime in that ...   I play a lot of Bach at St. Matthew's; I also play a lot of what some people would consider FORMIDABLE trash; the choir is singing "The Holy City" on Palm Sunday. Most Anglican organists would throw their surplices over their heads at some of my service-lists. Well and good .... BUT ... the salary has tripled since I've been there, and we're getting a new organ. 'Nuff said!   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:57:07 EST   Hi List~~~~ As a sideline to Desert Bob's comment on effete snobs,,,,recently I wanted to join a list having to do with about the first plug in organ, and dating from the 30's. Firstly, I was told in no uncertain terms that my FULL name would be necessary for subscription, no shabby first 2 initials would do for this person "administrating" the list. After I had "chewed" a bit on this and submitted it,,,,the next hurdle came over the ether, I needed to ANSWER AND PASS A TEST~~about the subject at hand! I couldnt believe it!!!!!! Sheesh!!!!!! Especially when the questions were couched in language somewhat reminiscent of a third grader, no matter that I have worked on the dang things for near 50 years now! Effete snobs----you bet! ~~~~~ (I KNEW there was something I didnt quite agree with in that instrument from 50 years ago!)~~~~~~(sour grapes,,,yuppers!) <G>   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Go Ye And Do Likewise!!! From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:21:44 EST   To me it sounds as tho Bud has enhanced the musical program at his church many fold. And I am sure it did not *just happen*. It had to be worked at and I am sure is still being worked at. NOTHING happens by itself,,one has to MAKE it happen!!!! Bud--- Uhh, is there something wrong with *The Holy City*?---heheheheh, in this quiet burb in the most densely populated state in the union, I KNOW it will be heard at 3 different churches. <G>   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: Pepehomer@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:28:36 EST   Somehow the discussion of the time turned once again into how Bish plays and if it is "worthy" of the upper-level organists. My philosophy on organ playing is "by any means necessary!" I ama self taught organist - and how did I learn? Mostly by observing Bish! Learning how to keep your fingers light, moving the feet before you need them... Then I went to college to major in organ performance. I was told that everything I was doing was wrong and that I would have to virtually learn everything again. (not said straight out to me, but was implied) - my question to the group. WHO CARES WHAT'S PROPER TECHNIQUE? I now have the ability to play works such as Fiat Lux by DuBois, Toccata in F by Bach, Fugue a la Gigue by Bach, etc. Are these the works played by someone doing it wrong? I don't think I wanna go right then! (granted, there are still thousands of pieces I can't touch yet!) Who or what is the organ technique authority and is there a sizable advantage to "proper" techique?   Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: Matt Baker <poinsettia@netxn.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 11:39:27 -0800       Pepehomer@aol.com wrote:   > Who or what is the organ technique authority and is there a sizable advantage > to "proper" techique?   What is it? Some closed-minded stubborn opinion from someone who thinks he/she's a know-it-all. IMHO, at least.   -- < Transmit src: poinsettia@netxn.com ID1 LCARS Channel 1 Lineout > YuSeEkMeAtNo31101993 http://www.netxn.com/~poinsettia/index.html Pizza-Delivery Illustrated: http://members.xoom.com/hlrmatt/index.html      
(back) Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:52:02 -0700   ,the next hurdle > came over the ether, I needed to ANSWER AND PASS A > TEST~~about the subject at > hand!   Hmm, an entrance exam for list membership? What a concept! I think I'll have such a requirement on any list I run. here's the questions:   1. Are you living 2. Are you breathing.   50% is a passing score.   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Entrance Exam From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:58:59 -0700   ,,,,the next hurdle > came over the ether, I needed to ANSWER AND PASS A > TEST~~about the subject at > hand!   But didja pass?   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: HOLYMUSIC@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:02:07 EST   So right----I was a good organist until I went to school and had all of the musicianship trained right out of me!!!!  
(back) Subject: RE: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:02:08 -0700   > WHO CARES WHAT'S PROPER TECHNIQUE? I > now have the > ability to play works such as Fiat Lux by DuBois, Toccata in > F by Bach, Fugue > a la Gigue by Bach, etc. Are these the works played by > someone doing it > wrong? I don't think I wanna go right then!   > Justin Karch > Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS   Yep -- it figures -- Missouri Synod!   I am also mostly self-taught (does the comment about being your own lawyer having a fool for a client apply to self taught?) and I agree here. There are certain techniques that are important building blocks for others, but when it comes down to it, whatever works to make the sound right is the "correct technique".   Dennis Goward Minister of Music, St Paul Lutheran Church LCMS (me, too!)    
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:09:35 -0500 (EST)   I think Justin has hit on a very important point. Who cares about technique. Granted, simple basics are helpful. But the important thing is HOW the music SOUNDS. I guess I have been fortunate. All three of my instructors came from the same school of thought. Play how it is comfortable for you, don't waste energy on unnecessary movement, don't be a distraction. One has a Doctorate in performance, one has a Doctorate in Choral conducting and a Masters in performance and I don't know (or care) what the other has a degree in.   I have not had the luxury of getting a degree in organ, but I have done substitute work for all three of them.   How many call's do all those organists with perfect technique get for positions. When I quit my first position in 1987, I had 9 calls from 9 different parishes within 3 days and had a well paying position with benefits within a week. WITHOUT an audition at a parish where the average weekend attendance was 4,200 people. There were 2 DoM's. at that parish. One with a degree from Julliard and the other from the U of Miami. Was there for 10 years.   I am far from being the best, but every time I sit at the organ for Mass, I thank God for my talent and ask Him to help me bring His people closer to Him.   So folks, whatever is right for you may not be right for someone else!   Bill