PipeChat Digest #746 - Tuesday, March 9, 1999
 
RE: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
conservatory training (was "Go Ye And Do Likewise")
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
RE: Diane Bish TBN time
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
the intolerance of the young
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
RE: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net>
Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
RE: Who sets techique?
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Who sets techique?
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Fw: Who sets techique?
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: the intolerance of the young
  by "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu>
Re: Entrance Exam, and the failure thereof!
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time)
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: the intolerance of the young
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Oak Cliff Lutheran Church - A GOOD JOB
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Who sets techique?  (was Bish TBN time)
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
 


(back) Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:25:26 PST   She is really just not half bad but she lacks alot of musicality as I like to call it. Fox was awesome and so is Peter Hurford but Bish ain't on my list of favorites. When she learns how to phrase and not hide behind the sound of a anchient cathedral in Europe and could play something right for a change maybe I would like her but intill that happens and it probally never will she ain't on my list of good organist, not that my list would count for that much compared to the First Lady of the Organ: Ms. Diane Bish. You can't teach an old dog new tricks!     >From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:47:09 -0500 >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Daryl wrote: >she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her >> technique literally SUCKS!!! > >Who cares what a jury would think? A jury would probably find fault with Fox >also as evidenced by the many kind words expressed about him, during his >lifetime, by the various journals of the AGO. > >Would any member of that jury have accomplished what she has? And what is >wrong with her technique? > >She is unorthodox both in marketing and performance. But art is about >creating, not conforming to some artificial standard put forth by a bunch of >people who have not produced anything superior. Art is about being >unorthodox. If our only concern is what a jury would think, why not program >a computer to play the organ along the predecided guidelines of the jury? > >The ultimate judge of art is not what people think but whether the artist, >the person doing the creating, has accomplished and realized their vision. >It is very easy to stand in judgement of others, but what does that >accomplish? > >I have heard Ms. Bish and can say that in many instances she has brought >some fresh insight into the music and, like Fox, she has done one hell of a >job of bringing the instrument before the public in a positive light. > >Charles E. Brown >http://www.classicalcorner.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >> Daryl Robinson >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:22 PM >> To: pipechat@pipechat.org >> Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >> >> >> O.K. so maybe I do bash Bish. Have you ever met her? her last name >> sometimes gets changed by those that are around her for a while. yea >> sure I gotta give her credit for all that she has done to boost the >> organ but she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her >> technique literally SUCKS!!! But I guess when you got shoes like those >> anythings possible! >> >> >> >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800 >> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, pipechat@pipechat.org >> >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> >> >Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> > >> >At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >> >>Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I >> have found >> >>that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on >> Tuesdays. >> > >> >Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this >> >morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene >> today >> >with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite >> hard at >> >bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish >> Bashers >> >bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm? >> > >> >DeserTBoB >> > >> >PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather >> than >> >what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard >> on >> >pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, >> >anyway.... ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > >> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: conservatory training (was "Go Ye And Do Likewise") From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:31:59 -0800   Many of you know that I studied with Dr. Roberta Gary at Cincinnati ... my previous comments were NOT directed toward her (grin)! She taught me a GREAT deal ... she taught a good range of repertoire; but probably the MOST important thing she taught me was how to organize my practice time, and get the most out of it, and how to digest a score quickly ... EXTREMELY valuable when sometimes the only practice time I have now is from 6:30 a.m. to 7:30 a.m. on Sundays.   BUT (again, not her fault) there was ONE sad little "church music" course at Cincinnati, taught by a failed choral conductor with tenure that they didn't know what else to do with. And of course at OBERLIN (where I started, and toward which most of my wrath is directed), there was NONE. I was accepted as a Church Music Major; I arrived, only to be informed that the program had been shut down, and that I was now an Organ Performance major ... no muss, no fuss ... the only problem was that I didn't want to BE an Organ Performance major, but by then it was too late to do anything about it, at least for awhile.   It's taken me close to fifty years to learn, but I'd say the most important things about a church job are:   (1) listen to your congregation ... they're paying your salary (2) when in doubt, refer to Rule #1   If you cannot in good conscience give your unqualified support to the clergy and congregation and the direction THEY want THEIR music program to take, then polish up your resume and start looking for another job. I wasted a lot of years fighting battles that weren't going to be won.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:28:04 PST   First of all if someone is playing the organ wrong then you can still play the pieces that you listed. But not right............     >From: Pepehomer@aol.com >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:28:36 EST >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Somehow the discussion of the time turned once again into how Bish plays and >if it is "worthy" of the upper-level organists. My philosophy on organ >playing is "by any means necessary!" I ama self taught organist - and how did >I learn? Mostly by observing Bish! Learning how to keep your fingers light, >moving the feet before you need them... > Then I went to college to major in organ performance. I was told that >everything I was doing was wrong and that I would have to virtually learn >everything again. (not said straight out to me, but was implied) - my >question to the group. WHO CARES WHAT'S PROPER TECHNIQUE? I now have the >ability to play works such as Fiat Lux by DuBois, Toccata in F by Bach, Fugue >a la Gigue by Bach, etc. Are these the works played by someone doing it >wrong? I don't think I wanna go right then! (granted, there are still >thousands of pieces I can't touch yet!) > Who or what is the organ technique authority and is there a sizable advantage >to "proper" techique? > >Justin Karch >Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS >Rome, GA > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:25:11 PST   She is really just not half bad but she lacks alot of musicality as I like to call it. Fox was awesome and so is Peter Hurford but Bish ain't on my list of favorites. When she learns how to phrase and not hide behind the sound of a anchient cathedral in Europe and could play something right for a change maybe I would like her but intill that happens and it probally never will she ain't on my list of good organist, not that my list would count for that much compared to the First Lady of the Organ: Ms. Diane Bish. You can't teach an old dog new tricks!     >From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: RE: Diane Bish TBN time >Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:47:09 -0500 >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Daryl wrote: >she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her >> technique literally SUCKS!!! > >Who cares what a jury would think? A jury would probably find fault with Fox >also as evidenced by the many kind words expressed about him, during his >lifetime, by the various journals of the AGO. > >Would any member of that jury have accomplished what she has? And what is >wrong with her technique? > >She is unorthodox both in marketing and performance. But art is about >creating, not conforming to some artificial standard put forth by a bunch of >people who have not produced anything superior. Art is about being >unorthodox. If our only concern is what a jury would think, why not program >a computer to play the organ along the predecided guidelines of the jury? > >The ultimate judge of art is not what people think but whether the artist, >the person doing the creating, has accomplished and realized their vision. >It is very easy to stand in judgement of others, but what does that >accomplish? > >I have heard Ms. Bish and can say that in many instances she has brought >some fresh insight into the music and, like Fox, she has done one hell of a >job of bringing the instrument before the public in a positive light. > >Charles E. Brown >http://www.classicalcorner.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >> Daryl Robinson >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:22 PM >> To: pipechat@pipechat.org >> Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >> >> >> O.K. so maybe I do bash Bish. Have you ever met her? her last name >> sometimes gets changed by those that are around her for a while. yea >> sure I gotta give her credit for all that she has done to boost the >> organ but she would get slammed if she ever had to play in a jury her >> technique literally SUCKS!!! But I guess when you got shoes like those >> anythings possible! >> >> >> >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 10:15:30 -0800 >> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, pipechat@pipechat.org >> >From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> >> >Subject: Re: Diane Bish TBN time >> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> > >> >At 10:35 PM 3/8/1999 EST, Pepehomer@aol.com wrote: >> >>Yes, they now show Dino at 8:30am Fridays (no Dino fan here) But I >> have found >> >>that they have started showing "The Joy Of Music" at 12EST (noon) on >> Tuesdays. >> > >> >Yes, indeedy, Ms. Bish was in Verona, Italy playing on a Ruffati this >> >morning (9 AM PST). I must say, there is no one on the organ scene >> today >> >with Ms. Bish's visibility. It's quite obvious that she works quite >> hard at >> >bringing the organ and its literature to the public. Let the Bish >> Bashers >> >bash! Where's THEIR TV show?? Hmmmm? >> > >> >DeserTBoB >> > >> >PS: I thought she did a rather nice job on the Vivaldi, myself, rather >> than >> >what's described as "Bish bashing her way through" it, which I've heard >> on >> >pip-ARGUE-l some time ago. Of course, that's the "effete snob" list, >> >anyway.... ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > >> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: the intolerance of the young From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:47:11 -0800   (can you tell I'm BORED with inking Holy Week scores??!!)   I was one of the Oberlin students who sat in (OLD) Warner Concert Hall with scores and red pencils at the ready ... back then, it was considered meet and right so to do.   Some of the most exciting and moving performances of Bach I've heard (via recordings, sadly) have been by Marcel Dupre and Albert Schweitzer. Dupre missed notes; so what? There was an absolute Gallic certainty and intensity to his playing, and a sweep of line that isn't often duplicated today. He KNEW those pieces intimately. Playing like that comes from a half-century of both knowing AND loving that music.   And Schweitzer ... I still play "O Man Bewail" almost EXACTLY the way I heard him play it on one of the first organ recordings I ever bought (the chorale preludes on the little organ in Gunsbach).   My point? Neither would be considered great players (in their old age, at least) by today's "standards" ... but those men could make MUSIC. And THAT, friends and neighbors, is the name of the game (or ought to be).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: "Charles Brown" <clmoney@cybernex.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:08:24 -0500   AAGO = Approximately A Good Organist   FAGO = Fomerly A Good Organist   Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:14:34 EST   CAGO = Could-a-been A Good Organist   Lynda Alexander  
(back) Subject: RE: Who sets techique? From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:10:23 -0700     > > First of all if someone is playing the organ wrong then you can still > play the pieces that you listed. But not right............ >   When I go to work in the morning, I can take 35th ave or 19th ave or 7th Ave or 7th St. Any of them will get me there with roughly the same distance and time. Is any one of them right or wrong?   Like the original question, WHO sets the technique? WHO determines what is the best way for ALL organists to play something? But another question is still there which the quote above doesn't answer. WHY is there only a single RIGHT way? Or am I oversimplifying what you're saying?   Dennis Goward      
(back) Subject: RE: Who sets techique? From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:19:21 -0700   CAGO = Certainly A Good Organist   Then there's the ChM -- Can't Handle Manuals > > AAGO = Approximately A Good Organist > > FAGO = Fomerly A Good Organist >   FAGO is a brand of soda pop in Detroit.   Dennis  
(back) Subject: Fw: Who sets techique? From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:34:25 -0500   When I was taking lessons back in the early ' 60's, my first instructor stressed Hanon exercises. After some time, I was playing some Bach, Von Suppe, and others I can't recall now. My second instructor, an organist at the Capitol Theatre in Chicago, taught me his style, and the so-called "Crawford crap". To this day, I still prefer the Crawford c***, and of course, George Wright.   Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:19 PM Subject: RE: Who sets techique?     > >> >> First of all if someone is playing the organ wrong then you can still >> play the pieces that you listed. But not right............ >> > >When I go to work in the morning, I can take 35th ave or 19th ave or 7th Ave >or 7th St. Any of them will get me there with roughly the same distance and >time. Is any one of them right or wrong? > >Like the original question, WHO sets the technique? WHO determines what is >the best way for ALL organists to play something? But another question is >still there which the quote above doesn't answer. WHY is there only a >single RIGHT way? Or am I oversimplifying what you're saying? > >Dennis Goward > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: the intolerance of the young From: "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:08:27 -0600   Hi everyone! I'm usually pretty passive as far as posts on the list are concerned, but I must say Bud.... I personally LOVE the recordings of Dupre and Schweitzer. I may not play them exactly as they did, but I find that as a student, it is entirely possible to still make music. (Even within current constraints of thought in playing if you will...) I think this concept has a strong foundation in being taught from the beginning to make music for music's sake... For the fulfillment of the heart. At least from where I'm sitting.... Then again, I don't know how many students honestly take the time to sit and study scores intimately anymore like I still do.... Kudos Bud for bringing the topic up!   Jason     Jason Klein   Organ Performance Major - Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois Associate Organist - First Presbyterian Church, Arlington Heights, Illinois    
(back) Subject: Re: Entrance Exam, and the failure thereof! From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:45:24 EST   Naah, Dennis,,,I didnt make the grade to pass; I guess I didnt give the "politically correct" answer to the "how do you turn on a manual switch ____________organ", but perhaps I flunked as well on "what section do you find the correct procedure for replacing the vibrato scanner" Shucks---guess I will go eat worms,,,OR go back to school for ____________ service, OR,,,stick to PO and TO lists! The last option looks to be the best for me :-) ~_^   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 17:55:43 EST   In a message dated 99-03-09 15:38:39 EST, you write:   << First of all if someone is playing the organ wrong then you can still play the pieces that you listed. But not right............ >> I am reminded of my first organ teacher, a very very dedicated old man, organist, choirmaster,,and composer; who said to me at lesson #1~~~~~~*its the easiest instrument to play, but the hardest to play right*-------------   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:01:48 EST   In a message dated 99-03-09 16:04:25 EST, you write:   << AAGO = Approximately A Good Organist FAGO = Fomerly A Good Organist Charles E. Brown http://www.classicalcorner.com >> BUT,,,BUT,,,BUT----Dr. Brown, the insignia of the outfit looks soooooooooo "correct" on the sleeve of a gown! And after all,,,"correct " is what it is all about in that organization methinks!   Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:20:33 EST   In a message dated 3/9/99 4:58:40 PM Central Standard Time, GRSCoLVR@aol.com writes:   << I am reminded of my first organ teacher, a very very dedicated old man, organist, choirmaster,,and composer; who said to me at lesson #1~~~~~~*its the easiest instrument to play, but the hardest to play right*------------- >>   At my first organ lesson, at age 13, my teacher (Mano R. Hardies), said "You've got to be a little crazy to want to play this". Do ya know what? He's right and I fit in perfectly!!!   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, TX  
(back) Subject: Re: the intolerance of the young From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:25:59 EST   Dear Bud, You are so right. Playing music is not like the interpretation of the Bible according to a denominational ruling. I t has to come from the heart, even if it is not musically "correct". Through the centuries different scores of the same music have been discovered which indicate that the original could have been played in different ways according to the composer. If the composer saw his music played in different ways, is it anathema to play it in any other fashion. I believe that someone starting out should learn to play music as it is written as a sound foundation for playing all literature.I also feel that someones imterpretation of a composers music has it's place as Fox's Komm Susser Todt and Parsifal. They were some of the major pieces of music that attracted me to the organ originally. They breathed eternity. Paul  
(back) Subject: Oak Cliff Lutheran Church - A GOOD JOB From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:17:55 EST   Dear folks,   In all seriousness, I wish to express my extreme joy regarding my relatively new position (of 2.5 months) at Oak Cliff Lutheran Church (ELCA). It's an established church (50+ years) which is the mother church of many ELCA churches in this area. The organ is built by McManis (10 ranks, 2 manual, EP) and it is well placed high in the rear gallery of the church (which seats about 350 people). Specs are:   GREAT 16' Gemshorn (Sw.) 8' Principal 8' Hohl Flote 4' Octave 4' Hohl Flote 2' Super Octave Chimes Tremulant Swell to Great   SWELL 8' Still Flote 8' Gemshorn 8' Gemshorn Celeste 4' Still Flote 4' Gemshorn 2' Gemshorn Mixture III 8' Trumpet Tremulant   PEDAL 16' Subbass 8' Principal 8' Gedeckt (from Gt. Hohl Flote) 8' Gemshorn (Swell) 4' Hohl Flote (Great) 16' Fagott (from Sw. Trumpet) 8' Trumpet (Swell)   The acoustics aren't great (because of all the crapet... in the chancel and aisles) but it works. The choir is small - but they are very talented and committed to making good music. The clergy and church council are very supportive of my music program, which they have asked me to expand.   The church members and clergy have a high regard for good music and they treat me like I have never been treated before. As a matter of fact, they almost treat me like royalty! The organ is in need of some repairs, such as; stabilizing the wind pressure, replacing some leather, and replacing the bushings in the pedal board, to which they don't even flinch. I have the support to add additional ranks and I'm thinking about adding the following: Nazard, Tierce, and an Erzahler (any thoughts?) This is also the first position that I have ever had where they have given me a "conference and education allowance" that I can use at my discretion.   After serving at other churches where I had to fight for everything I am in Heaven! Sunday morning an elderly parishioner grabbed my robe sleeve, while returning from partaking of the Host, and said "I love your music". It's a pleasure to serve in a church where my efforts are appreciated and supported - I just keep saying to myself "what took me so long to get here?"   On cloud nine!   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, Texas   http://members.tripod.com/~organist_johng/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Who sets techique? (was Bish TBN time) From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:25:25 -0000   I think it is important to get a good foundation technique on the organ. After that, all of us have to deviate a little until we get what suits us. Diane Bish studied with one of the best teachers in this respect - the late Mildred Andrews at Univ. of Oklahoma. At that time the university had no good organs to speak of, but she produced several competition winners. At the time of Diane's senior recital, she and Mildred had a falling out because Diane wanted to play in pants and Mildred insisted that the women play in dresses. It took a bit of time for them to patch things up. (Diane did play in pants!)   JOHN