PipeChat Digest #753 - Friday, March 12, 1999
 
Re: Inclusive Language
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Inclusive Language
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
ADMIN NOTE:  Re: Inclusive Language
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Inclusive Language  and lost posts...
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Sense of humor...
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Yehudi Menuhin, violinist/conductor dies at 82 (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "William Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by <Hitkmus@aol.com>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV)
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Speaker Placement (was: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805)
  by <RMc7832619@aol.com>
Re: Marilyn Mason in Des Moines
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "William Lengyel" <theorganist@webtv.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV)
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger
  by "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:39:12 -0600   Afreed0904@aol.com wrote: >=20 > In a message dated 3.11.99 9:31:01 PM, theorganist@webtv.net writes:   > The word MAN as in mankind, woman, womankind etc. comes from the latin= word > MANO which means hand. In spanish the word for hand is "mano".   > As for that strange etymology of "man"--from the Latin!--I'm in grave d= oubts > there. Mano for hand, yes, as in manuals both great and swell, manipul= ate, > etc. But for "MAN"?? I'd really have to see something better than the > horse's mouth on that one.   According to the Oxford English Dictionary "man" is a very old Indo-European root and is connected with the Sanskrit *m=E1nu* meaning humanity. It thus goes back thousands of years before Latin was even invented, so I'm afraid we cannot make a connection with manuals. =20   So far as the gender of angels is concerned, Jesus said that in heaven the angels "neither marry nor give in marriage." This may imply that they don't have gender, but saying that they don't marry does not necessarily imply this. =20   John.  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:46:04 -0500 (EST)   =A0=A0 > He's a moral theologan. An oxy-marooooooon... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: ADMIN NOTE: Re: Inclusive Language From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:56:40 -0600   Folks   After seeing the last posting on this topic I think it is time we move on to things that are more related to the purpose of this list. We have gotten off topic.   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Inclusive Language and lost posts... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:59:24 -0500 (EST)   =A0=A0   >I found a post appeared under my name that > was "sent" about 3 weeks ago as I > remember.... How poetic that a post on inclusive language was excluded! hehehe   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Sense of humor... From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:06:02 EST   Just came back from a job removing pipes from a Methodist church. The job was made so much easier by the high quality of volunteer labor.   The highlight of this job came when one dear brother nearly dropped a low Bourdon pipe that he had been "bucket brigading" down two flights of open stairwell. He blurted out, "Oh, Lord!...", stopped with an embarrassed look on his face, then continued with a sing-song "... my God, when I in awesome wonder, ..."   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Yehudi Menuhin, violinist/conductor dies at 82 (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:53:34 -0700 (MST)     AcoustiCDigest News - http://acousticd.com   (Berlin-AP) Celebrated violinist Yehudi Menuhin is dead. His German promoter says Menuhin died today in Berlin of heart failure, a day after cancelling a concert there because of his health he was 82.     ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to AcoustiCDigest-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/      
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: William Morton <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:58:51 -0800   At 07:26 PM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote:   >Once more the "poor relation" comes to you with hat in hand ... for >years I've limped along with very few voluntaries for the Easter season.     Bud--I may have a deal for you! I've got the following books which you can have, free gratis, and I'm in Mission Viejo so you could pick them up if you want them:   1. Gospel Hymn Voluntaries, #2, Lorenz 2. 50 Voluntaries for Reed/Pipe Organ, Eduard Batiste 3. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes for Organ, Hall Macklin 4. Organ Voluntaries, Roy Peery 5. Easter Voluntaries, Lorenz 6. Preludes for Service, Lorenz 7. The Organ in Church, Frank Asper 8. An Easter Spring Song, Graf Edmundsun 9. Vox Angelica, Lorenz (Voluntaries) 10. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, #3, William Stickles 11. Devotional Music for all Organs, Arthur Wildman (Ed) 12. 12 Preludes for the Amateur Organist, Dorothy Wells (Ed) 13. The Amateur Organist, Vol. 46 (Voluntaries) 14. The Liturgical Organist, Carl Rossini (Ed) 15. Gems for the Organ, Harry Shelley (Ed) 16. The Chapel Organist, Roy Peery (Ed) 17. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles 18. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles. 19. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles 20. Chancel Echos for Organ, William Felton (Ed)   If you would like this stack, give me a call at 949.770.8506, and I can give you driving instructions. I am just off the 5 freeway 2 exits south of the El Toro Y.   Glad to be able to help!   Bill Morton 949.770.8506     < W J Morton wjm@pacbell.net > No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:22:22 -0800   Dear Bill,   How very generous! Thank you so much! I'm going to the church today to work with the choir librarian on the Holy Week Manuals ... if I don't call you from there (things have a way of getting VERY frantic down there this time of year), just e-mail me the directions privately and the best time to come, and I'll see if she can drive me ... otherwise the first of the week when my son gets back from Northern California ... I can drive, but I'd rather not (grin). A lot of those things are old, familiar faces that disappeared when I broke up my library a few years ago, thinking I'd never recover sufficiently from the spinal surgery to be able to play again. But I have, and here I am (grin)!   Cheers,   Bud   William Morton wrote:   > At 07:26 PM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote: > > >Once more the "poor relation" comes to you with hat in hand ... for > >years I've limped along with very few voluntaries for the Easter season. > > Bud--I may have a deal for you! I've got the following books which you > can have, free gratis, > and I'm in Mission Viejo so you could pick them up if you want them: > > 1. Gospel Hymn Voluntaries, #2, Lorenz > 2. 50 Voluntaries for Reed/Pipe Organ, Eduard Batiste > 3. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes for Organ, Hall Macklin > 4. Organ Voluntaries, Roy Peery > 5. Easter Voluntaries, Lorenz > 6. Preludes for Service, Lorenz > 7. The Organ in Church, Frank Asper > 8. An Easter Spring Song, Graf Edmundsun > 9. Vox Angelica, Lorenz (Voluntaries) > 10. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, #3, William Stickles > 11. Devotional Music for all Organs, Arthur Wildman (Ed) > 12. 12 Preludes for the Amateur Organist, Dorothy Wells (Ed) > 13. The Amateur Organist, Vol. 46 (Voluntaries) > 14. The Liturgical Organist, Carl Rossini (Ed) > 15. Gems for the Organ, Harry Shelley (Ed) > 16. The Chapel Organist, Roy Peery (Ed) > 17. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles > 18. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles. > 19. Preludes, Offertories, Postludes, William Stickles > 20. Chancel Echos for Organ, William Felton (Ed) > > If you would like this stack, give me a call at 949.770.8506, and I can > give you driving instructions. > I am just off the 5 freeway 2 exits south of the El Toro Y. > > Glad to be able to help! > > Bill Morton > 949.770.8506 > > < W J Morton wjm@pacbell.net > > No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a > rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Hitkmus@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:41:38 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 12:07:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, KriderSM@aol.com writes:   << , perhaps a Bach variation on the tune,"Here Comes Peter Cotton Tail" might! >> Stan, What is the BWV# on this work? Was it one of the late works???   Lynda  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:24:01 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 10:44:00 AM Central Standard Time, Hitkmus@aol.com writes:   << << , perhaps a Bach variation on the tune,"Here Comes Peter Cotton Tail" might! >> Stan, What is the BWV# on this work? Was it one of the late works??? >>   Wasn't that BWV 6969 ?   John  
(back) Subject: Re: service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV) From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:35:37 EST   In a message dated 3/11/99 10:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << our motto is: Christmas and Easter every Sunday. >>   I know that there is a huge debate at large regarding the above statement. I, however, during Advent and Lent choose music which is befitting of the penitential seasons. Therefore, I select anthems, hymns, and voluntaries which are apropos (generally somber and in minor keys) for Advent and Lent.   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas  
(back) Subject: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:41:20 -0600   Our AGO Chapter has been loaned a Rodgers 805 for a Members' Recital this Sunday. The whole purpose of this recital, which is going to consist of "popular" works is to attempt to get the general public more interested in organs and organ music. And the kicker is that the 805 sounds like "C**P" which isn't going to help the cause. Is there anyone out there that can give me some advice/instruction in how to adjust this thing to sound decent??   I will be checking my mail late tonight and will also be on the PipeChat IRC session late - probably after 10:30 Central time so if you have any answers you can chat with me there. For those on the EORG-L the instructions to the PipeChat IRC sessions can be found at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Thanks in advance for any help that is given.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:01:04 -0500 (EST)   David,   I would suggest you call the local Rodgers representative first. I am sure they would want the organ to sound it's best. Voicing is something, IMO, best left to a pro.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:01:50 -0800         >Our AGO Chapter has been loaned a Rodgers 805 for a Members' Recital this >Sunday. The whole purpose of this recital, which is going to consist of >"popular" works is to attempt to get the general public more interested in >organs and organ music. And the kicker is that the 805 sounds like "C**P" >which isn't going to help the cause. Is there anyone out there that can >give me some advice/instruction in how to adjust this thing to sound >decent??     I do not know if the model 805 is digital or analog. I owned a Rodgers 955 for about 3 years, which was digital. If the 805 is digital, you could ask the local Rodgers dealer to come out with his "GC8" voicing tool (or PC) and adjust things for you. If it is not digital, some adjustments can be made but I do not know to what extent and an organ technician would be needed. Also, depending on where the speakers are placed you will get a different result. If they are placed further away and positioned so that the sound reflects off a wall rather than coming directly at the listener, that might help a little. Also, if it has any kind of built-in reverb you might adjust that to see if that softens any harshness. That is all I can think of from the perspective of a former Rodgers owner. Where are you located?   Jason McGuire  
(back) Subject: RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:23:08 -0700   > I do not know if the model 805 is digital or analog. I owned > a Rodgers 955 > for about 3 years, which was digital. If the 805 is digital, > you could ask > the local Rodgers dealer to come out with his "GC8" voicing > tool (or PC) and > adjust things for you.   I just checked the Rodgers site. The 805 is their current digital two manual stoptablet console. here's the specs;   VOICE SPECIFICATION   Great Organ Violone 16' [Flauto Basso 16'] Principal 8' [Diapason 8'] Rohrflöte 8' [Gemshorn 8'] Flûte Celeste II 8' [Erzähler Celeste II 8'] Prestant 4' [Octave 4'] Spitzflöte 4' Super Octave 2' [Waldflöte 2', Fifteenth 2'] Quintflöte 1-1/3' [Sesquialtera II] Mixture IV Cromorne 8' [Trompete 8'] Tremulant Chimes Swell to Great 8' Great MIDI A Great MIDI B   Swell Organ Bourdon Doux 16' Geigen Principal 8' [Geigen Diapason 8'] Bourdon 8' [Flûte Harmonique 8'] Viole Celeste II 8' Octave 4' Copula 4' Nazard 2-2/3' Flûte à Bec 2' Tierce 1-3/5' [Cymbale III, Sifflöte 1'] Plein Jeu IV Contre Basson 16' [Contre Trompette 16'] Trompette 8' [Trumpet 8'] Hautbois 8' [Voix Humaine 8'] Clairon 4' [Clarion 4'] Tremulant MIDI to Swell   Pedal Organ Contre Bourdon 32' Principal 16' [Contrebasse 16'] Subbass 16' Bourdon Doux 16' (SW) Octave 8' Gedackt 8' Choralbass 4' [Nachthorn 4'] Mixture IV Posaune 16' [Basson 16' (SW)] Trompete 8' Rohrschalmei 4' [Klarine 4'] Great to Pedal 8' Swell to Pedal 8' MIDI to Pedal   General Main Off Antiphonal On Flute Tremulant II Main Tremulant II All Swells to Swell Pipes Off Ancilllary On Melody (LP) Bass (LP)   Dennis Goward        
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:27:36 -0800   At 03:01 PM 3/12/1999 -0800, Jason McGuire wrote:   >Also, depending on where the speakers are placed you will get a different >result. If they are placed further away and positioned so that the sound >reflects off a wall rather than coming directly at the listener, that might >help a little.<snip>   the Number 1 mistake people make in designing/installing speaker systems for electric/electronic/digital organs if that they aim the drivers square at the listener! Most always, when the direct sound field from the speaker systems (not including in bottom end, below 120 Hz or so, which is omnidirectional) is directed at a wall or ceiling, allowing the leading sound wavefronts to reflect and disperse at least once before reaching the audience, the effect is MUCH more "pipe-like". Now, all you pipe addicts don't get a bee in your bustle...I'm just trying to help here! hehehehe   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Speaker Placement (was: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805) From: RMc7832619@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:43:15 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 4:11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   << the Number 1 mistake people make in designing/installing speaker systems for electric/electronic/digital organs if that they aim the drivers square at the listener! >>   I have had good luck with my Rodgers 33-E by placing the speakers on their backs.   Now, I have one of the new GW 3-manual Allens on order. It has the Allen Virtual Acustics software built it. Does anyone have any experience has to whether directing the speakers directly into the room will be better or worse than placing them on their backs?  
(back) Subject: Re: Marilyn Mason in Des Moines From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:18:27 EST   In a message dated 3/11/99 8:06:45 PM Central Standard Time, omicron@netins.net writes:   << It's an Aeolian-Skinner 3/50+ >> Thanks for clearing that up. I think I'd just as soon listen to an A-S. Plenty of Casavants around these parts. Maynard  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:31:20 -0500 (EST)   As Virgil used to say:   It only needs FIVE things....   four buckets of gas....   and a match!   ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:36:50 -0600   OK, Bruce, that didn't help. I gotta play on this thing - one of my BAD judgments in life!   Glenda   ---------- > From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 > Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:31 PM > > As Virgil used to say: > > It only needs FIVE things.... > > four buckets of gas.... > > and a match! > > ;-) > > bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:54:06 -0500 (EST)   Poor Glenda! Probably the first thing to do is turn the dang volume down. They're usually cranked up so that they can put their hand on their hips and say, "Gol dang it! Lookie how that 32 moves the care around in the parkin' lot!"   The easiest and most practical thing to do is just forgo trying to be artistic and musical, and just have a full "organ sound" which allows you to grab stop knobs randomly (for show, of course) without disturbing your playing. Do clever things like all flutes with tremolo; goey strings; fat, tubby theatrical sounds. If the music is fun, the audience will probably not care what it sounds like.... ya' know, just like church!   enjoy! you're doing a good thing and you will be rewarded for it: toidy paper in your yard, etc....   do let us know how it goz...   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:12:23 -0600   With advice like that, Bruce, I'll just cut my wrists and bleed on the thing! But don't you think the Stars and Stripes will be a hoot on it?   Glenda   ---------- > From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 > Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 8:54 PM > > The easiest and most practical thing to do is just forgo trying to be > artistic and musical, and just have a full "organ sound" which allows > you to grab stop knobs randomly (for show, of course) without disturbing > your playing. Do clever things like all flutes with tremolo; goey > strings; fat, tubby theatrical sounds. If the music is fun, the > audience will probably not care what it sounds like.... ya' know, just > like church!    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: theorganist@webtv.net (William Lengyel) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:16:40 -0500 (EST)   Glenda,   Stars and Stripes would be a gas. I think that model may have an orchestral crescendo piston, check below the great manual on the right side.   BillMIA    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:29:27 -0500 (EST)     >With advice like that, Bruce, I'll just cut my > wrists and bleed on the thing! Save the bloody stuff for the very end of the program! ;-) You need some sound effects: pots and pans, oooga horns, bicycle horns and bells, duck calls and other animal noises are always popular, especially if you pull them out of the bench and toot them yourself. This is show biz, pure and simple. Play the right notes, look like you're having fun, and have three or four contrashting registrations and DON'T USE PISTONS, grab those damn knobs and impress the heck out of em. Oh! a nice smoke bomb would be a really great visual aid somewhere along the way. Anyone playing PDQ Bach?   > But don't you think the Stars and Stripes will > be a hoot on it? Absolutely. Be sure to include some popular advertising music from TV commercials. I used to play the PAC-MAN theme occasionally at various times during recitals, especially after something really impressive. TV show themes are also popular and inject humor. You might also get a soloist who is really awful to sing a couple of songs!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:37:07 -0500 (EST)   My dear colleagues, Why is it they are called "voluntaries" when we are REQUIRED to play them? LOL   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:39:49 -0500 (EST)   the official title: Hier kommen Herr Hare    
(back) Subject: Re: service list - Refreshment Sunday (Lent IV) From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:45:14 -0500 (EST)   Dear John, I also select music befitting the Lenten season, but we still sing it looking back through Easter. We are still children of the resurrection even during Lent. Also, this kind of choral attitude helps provide a sparkle to the music. Thank you, though, for reminding us of the importance of honoring the season. Neil    
(back) Subject: RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:49:00 -0700   Some of these so-called "helpful" posts are downright insulting to decent organists.   I get the impression that some of you think anything that is not real pipes is crap, that any congregation that buys electronic is a bunch of heathens, and that any organist who would stoop to play and electronic is not worthy of the scrapings of your shoes.   Let us not forget that Virgil Fox, whom many of us respect, regularly played an electronic. Sure, pipes first, but he wasn't so high-and-mighty as to turn his back on an electronic.   Carlo Curley, another top concert organist, will play electronics, and has recorded on them.   Are you better than they? I doubt it.   It's been said there are no small organs, just small organists. May I suggest that your unreasonable derision of electronic organs isn't necessarily based on their inferiority, but perhaps your own? A tendency to elevate yourself by belittling something else?   By the way, the "you" is this post is not aimed at any one person in particular -- but if the shoe fits . . .   The pipe organ is a magnificent organ -- but the cost of a decent one is well beyond many churches. "Let them have a piano!" you say. Forget that they don't want piano. Their wants are not important -- only what you think, eh?   Wake up and smell the coffee! If the profession of organist is going to continue, we're all going to have to accept that we may be playing electronic organs on occassion. If you're so elitest that you can't buy into that, perhaps you should get a cab driver's license or something.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger From: "Jim Hailey" <Bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:08:59 -0600   Hey Rick, I believe Virgil used to say, "That the purists can talk about it, but can't do it." Jim H.   ---------- > From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> > To: e-mail organ chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Fw: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 9:58 PM > > Oh, the poor armchair critic-- knows everything, but can't play a lick. > My heart does not bleed for them. > > Rick. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Hoey <96606351@mail.clarityconnect.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ManderUSA@aol.com <ManderUSA@aol.com> > >To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 7:22 PM > >Subject: Virgil, Critics, and Max Reger > > > > > >Malcolm Wechsler writes: > > > >Virgil is rightly credited with many pithy comments, widely quoted by his > >many > >fans. The above wonderful response to a bad review, however, came from Max > >Reger, as quoted in the Slonimsky "Lexicon of Musical Invective." > > > >Cheers, > >Malcolm Wechsler > > > > > > > >Malcolm - "Thank you" for the correction. It's easy to imagine Reger's > >story becoming Fox's; especially if you had ever heard Virgil tell the > >story. My point was simply to encourage organists to do a public concert > >once in a while and not lose any sleep over what some isolated low life > >"critic" might have to say about your performance. If you've prepared > >yourself mentally and musically well enough in advance, there's really > >nothing to sweat about doing a concert. You'll in fact be your own worst > >critic and who could possibly be any tougher than that? > >Salute. > > > >Larry Hoey > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org