PipeChat Digest #755 - Saturday, March 13, 1999
 
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Easter Voluntaries Needed
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Dennis' commnets
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HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 - NOT!!
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Re: Dennis' commnets
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: Fw: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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RE: Dennis' commnets
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
RE: Dennis' commnets
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: Dennis' commnets
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Organ in St. Matthew Passion
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Re: Organ in St. Matthew Passion
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Re: Voluntaries
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sound on web site
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The Eternal Debate
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Re: The Eternal Debate
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
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RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Fw: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: Posthorn8@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:16:59 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 10:50:59 PM EST, dgoward@uswest.net writes:   << Wake up and smell the coffee! If the profession of organist is going to continue, we're all going to have to accept that we may be playing electronic organs on occasion. If you're so elitest that you can't buy into that, perhaps you should get a cab driver's license or something. Dennis Goward >>   Thank you Dennis. I was in the church organ business for 22 years. I put an 805 in a church near Penn Yan, NY. Because I ALWAYS took great care as to the voicing and the placement of the speakers, one would really be hard pressed to tell if it were a pipe organ or not. I have seen TOO many dealers who just pop the thing in the church and walk away with a huge amount of money in his/her pocket, and the thought going through their head...no one will ever know it's a bad installation...after all, it's much better than what they had.   The 805 is a wonderful instrument that can handle all organ music...from Bach to gospel. These instruments are not like the old ones.....they HAVE to be voiced for the room they are to speak in. I really am insulted at some of thinking out there in organ land....   Tim Schramm Rochester, NY  
(back) Subject: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:21:17 EST   I believe it was an RSVP Bach composition (PDQ's younger brother) . It was BMW #320, if I recall correctly. Hehehe. Stan Krider Hitkmus@aol.com wrote:   >In a message dated 3/12/99 12:07:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, KriderSM@aol.com   writes:   ><< , perhaps a Bach variation on the tune,"Here Comes Peter Cotton Tail" might!   >>   >Stan, What is the BWV# on this work? Was it one of the late works???        
(back) Subject: Dennis' commnets From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:31:25 EST   Dennis Goward recentlyn wrote:             <snip>Carlo Curley, another top concert organist, will play electronics, and has   recorded on them.<snip>     Even this argument crumbles under the light of fact! Carlo makes it perfectly clear: the ONLY appliance he would play is an Allen.       <snip> Wake up and smell the coffee! <snip>   Dennis, wake up and reread the ground rules for this chatline; humor is the operative word. Please... ;-)   Stan Krider        
(back) Subject: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 - NOT!! From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:41:32 EST   ....and the difference between electronics and pipes would be???? The "mighty you-know-what"s pipes were nothing more than classical organ pipes whose scales were tweaked. Stan Krider   VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> recently wrote:   <snip>When I sold Rodgers ( church organs) in the ' 70's, the factory rep. would turn a few pots in back, and make that thing sound like a mighty you-know-what ! ! ! <snip>  
(back) Subject: Re: Dennis' commnets From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:37:08 -0600       KriderSM@aol.com wrote:   > Even this argument crumbles under the light of fact! > Carlo makes it perfectly clear: the ONLY appliance he would play is an Allen.   Not correct. I heard him on an electronic built by ICMI in an Ohio church. Mark      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:13:09 EST   DEar Bud, I have a copy of that detuning chart if you like. Peace, Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:30:20 EST   I feel compelled to put in my 2-cents worth ..   My Rodgers 830, on "permanent loan" to my Masonic Lodge has its battery of 14 speakers scattered about the balcony area, facing different directions and with the pedal cabinet facing into a corner of the balcony. The Antiphonal battery is located some 75 feet away on one side of the balcony. The room is very large but this speaker system with its 9 amplifiers does a fine job, even with very heavy registrations.   Gene Hamilton  
(back) Subject: RE: Dennis' commnets From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:32:06 -0700   > Subject: Dennis' commnets   Wow! I'm honored -- I have my own thread, now! > > Dennis Goward recentlyn wrote: > > <snip>Carlo Curley, another top concert organist, will play > electronics, and > has recorded on them.<snip> > > Even this argument crumbles under the light of fact! > Carlo makes it perfectly clear: the ONLY appliance he would play > is an Allen. > So? He is probably under contract with Allen, but that makes no difference. I wasn't stating anything in particular for one brand or another. And he calls it an organ, not an applience.   > > <snip> Wake up and smell the coffee! <snip> > > Dennis, wake up and reread the ground rules for this chatline; humor is the > operative word. Please... ;-)   Humor is my usual tack -- I just get a bit hot at some of the closed minds that seem to abound in our profession. It's like doctors refusing to use those electronic thermometer they stick in the kids ears because they don't have "real mercury" in them. It's almost self defeating. If all you want is humor, try Bill's Punch Line. I'm sure those rules you mention do allow for occasional serious debate. Note, I am smiling as I type this.     D    
(back) Subject: RE: Dennis' commnets From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:40:31 -0700   > an electronic built by ICMI in an Ohio church.   Never heard of this company. Who are they?   Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: Dennis' commnets From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:57:05 EST   You can check them out here: http://www.icmiinc.com/organ.html regards R. J. Siegel  
(back) Subject: Organ in St. Matthew Passion From: JDFatCat@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:04:57 EST   I have been listening to a remastering of the Bach St. Matthew Passion recorded in 1939 byWillem Mengelberg and the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam. The documentation provided with the three CD recording says nothing about resources other than Chorus, and listing the soloists.   However, in the coro part of "So ist mein Jesu nun gefangen" which begins :Sind Blitze, sine Donner" that' just got to be the great organ at the Concertgebouw Concert Hall.   Second subject; I recently attended a concert of the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra and on the program was the Saint-Seans Symphony #3. They used an Allen Renn organ. It worked very well in the softer portions and in most of the emsemble.   However, when it came to the great C Major chords, it lacked that "OOmpf" a Pipe Organ designed for such a concert hall would have had.   Third Subject: Some time ago, there was a thread dealing with Reginald Foorte, either here on on Piporg-l. I attended Kenyion College in Gambier, Ohio for a brief time, 3 semesters, and one of my classmates was Michael Foorte, Reginald's son. He had some very interesdting tales to tell of the recording sessions with Cook Labs and how they got some of the old organs to function, and the shannigans that went on during the recording sessions. He had some fantastic recordings, some of which I don't think were ever released. However, that period of time, 1956-57, is dimming in my memory.   Cheers J. Pinoake Browning, mostly a lurker  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in St. Matthew Passion From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:13:23 -0500   Sadly, the architect who designed the otherwise exemplary Meyerhoff Symphony Hall did not allow space for any kind of pipe organ. It's a shortcoming about which I doubt there is anything to be done.   -----Original Message----- From: JDFatCat@aol.com <JDFatCat@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 11:06 AM Subject: Organ in St. Matthew Passion     >I have been listening to a remastering of the Bach St. Matthew Passion >recorded in 1939 byWillem Mengelberg and the Concertgebouw Orchestra of >Amsterdam. The documentation provided with the three CD recording says nothing >about resources other than Chorus, and listing the soloists. > >However, in the coro part of "So ist mein Jesu nun gefangen" which begins >:Sind Blitze, sine Donner" that' just got to be the great organ at the >Concertgebouw Concert Hall. > >Second subject; I recently attended a concert of the Baltimore Symphony >Orchestra and on the program was the Saint-Seans Symphony #3. They used an >Allen Renn organ. It worked very well in the softer portions and in most of >the emsemble. > >However, when it came to the great C Major chords, it lacked that "OOmpf" a >Pipe Organ designed for such a concert hall would have had. > >Third Subject: Some time ago, there was a thread dealing with Reginald Foorte, >either here on on Piporg-l. I attended Kenyion College in Gambier, Ohio for a >brief time, 3 semesters, and one of my classmates was Michael Foorte, >Reginald's son. He had some very interesdting tales to tell of the recording >sessions with Cook Labs and how they got some of the old organs to function, >and the shannigans that went on during the recording sessions. He had some >fantastic recordings, some of which I don't think were ever released. >However, that period of time, 1956-57, is dimming in my memory. > >Cheers >J. Pinoake Browning, mostly a lurker > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Voluntaries From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:00:31 EST     In a message dated 3/12/99 10:38:36 PM, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   >Why is it they are called "voluntaries" when we are REQUIRED to play >them?   Hmmmm. And why (at least on my aol screen) are the headers at the foot of the page?   Alan  
(back) Subject: sound on web site From: "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:20:28 -0800   Hi, I now have sound on my web site. On the CD page You can hear samples of Charles Callahan's two CDs'- Invocation and Charles Callahan Plays. He recorded them on the Organ of the Church of the Holy Family in NY city. There is also a CD of organ duets and a CD for 2 pianos. On the new release pages you can hear samples of some of the new issues from MorningStar, Shawnee Press, Intrada with more to come. The new release pages include organ and piano music suitable for concert and church services. To listen to the samples you need to download Realaudio G2 (older versions will not work). I have a link to their site. It is free. After you download it, you need to find it on your hard drive and click on it to install it. Then you are set to listen. If you have anyproblems please let me know. Happy listening, Thanks, Brenda Durden Publishing The Frantic Organist Music Shop www.franticorganist.com      
(back) Subject: The Eternal Debate From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:05:22 -0800   I know that nothing short of the Second Coming is gonna halt the pipe/electronic debate, but ...   A recent article in The Tracker pointed out that the war (if it was a war) has already been "lost" (if indeed there are winners and losers). Churches that bought "stock" pipe organs before WWII are buying electronic organs, the MARKETING successors to the stock model pipe organs, just as churches who couldn't afford pipe organs bought reed organs (the electronic organ's MARKETING predecessor) in the late 19th and early 20th century.   I've written several lengthy posts about making peace with electronics and how to do it, and the recent postings about a temporary Rodgers installation for a concert only reinforces what I wrote: you can't plunk them down and just play them, anymore than you can plunk down an unvoiced pipe organ and just play it. The life of an electronic organ is the speaker system, and the life of the speaker system is the chambers and speaker placement.   Most small and medium sized churches can't afford a pipe organ, absent an "angel". Some churches have no space for a pipe organ; some churches don't WANT a pipe organ.   I helped voice a 3-manual Rodgers in an historic Presbyterian church on Coronado Island, CA ... the previous organs had been a reed organ and a Hammond spinet. Short of taking part of the parish hall behind the choir area for a chamber (which WASN'T gonna happen), there was NO place to put anything beyond a three-stop 2'-based positive organ with no pedal stops. This was a church with a fine choir and an ambitious music program ... oratorios, cantatas, big anthems, etc. (all accompanied by the spinet piano [!] until they got the Rodgers). No matter HOW much literature you can play on a three-stop positive, it simply wasn't a viable alternative in this case.   A thread ran recently about the price of a pipe organ ... I keep pushing Organ Clearing House as a possible alternative to new pipe organs ... Alan Laufman has got something like 50 organs in storage, and a list of hundreds more that are redundant and/or endangered ... trackers, electro-pneumatics, all sizes, shapes and styles of voicing. But you have to have the SPACE (particularly for 19th century trackers ... they're HIGH, WIDE, and DEEP ... those old churches had the space).   I'm going to continue to push for a pipe organ at St. Matthew's, but if I have to climb down off my soapbox and "settle" for an Allen Renaissance, so be it.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: The Eternal Debate From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:40:11 -0800   Bud,   I agree with the issues you raise. A fine pipe organ will always be "king" in my mind, but not every one nor every church can afford it or have the space for it.   By the way, have you heard a new Johannus? There are several installed in southern California.   Jason McGuire ---------- >From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> >To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>, pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: The Eternal Debate >Date: Sat, Mar 13, 1999, 10:05 AM >   >I know that nothing short of the Second Coming is gonna halt the >pipe/electronic debate, but ... > >A recent article in The Tracker pointed out that the war (if it was a >war) has already been "lost" (if indeed there are winners and losers). >Churches that bought "stock" pipe organs before WWII are buying >electronic organs, the MARKETING successors to the stock model pipe >organs, just as churches who couldn't afford pipe organs bought reed >organs (the electronic organ's MARKETING predecessor) in the late 19th >and early 20th century. > >I've written several lengthy posts about making peace with electronics >and how to do it, and the recent postings about a temporary Rodgers >installation for a concert only reinforces what I wrote: you can't plunk >them down and just play them, anymore than you can plunk down an >unvoiced pipe organ and just play it. The life of an electronic organ is >the speaker system, and the life of the speaker system is the chambers >and speaker placement. > >Most small and medium sized churches can't afford a pipe organ, absent >an "angel". Some churches have no space for a pipe organ; some churches >don't WANT a pipe organ. > >I helped voice a 3-manual Rodgers in an historic Presbyterian church on >Coronado Island, CA ... the previous organs had been a reed organ and a >Hammond spinet. Short of taking part of the parish hall behind the choir >area for a chamber (which WASN'T gonna happen), there was NO place to >put anything beyond a three-stop 2'-based positive organ with no pedal >stops. This was a church with a fine choir and an ambitious music >program ... oratorios, cantatas, big anthems, etc. (all accompanied by >the spinet piano [!] until they got the Rodgers). No matter HOW much >literature you can play on a three-stop positive, it simply wasn't a >viable alternative in this case. > >A thread ran recently about the price of a pipe organ ... I keep pushing >Organ Clearing House as a possible alternative to new pipe organs ... >Alan Laufman has got something like 50 organs in storage, and a list of >hundreds more that are redundant and/or endangered ... trackers, >electro-pneumatics, all sizes, shapes and styles of voicing. But you >have to have the SPACE (particularly for 19th century trackers ... >they're HIGH, WIDE, and DEEP ... those old churches had the space). > >I'm going to continue to push for a pipe organ at St. Matthew's, but if >I have to climb down off my soapbox and "settle" for an Allen >Renaissance, so be it. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:18:05 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 8:32:47 PM Central Standard Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << As Virgil used to say: It only needs FIVE things.... four buckets of gas.... and a match! >>   Touche!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:21:58 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 8:55:45 PM Central Standard Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << enjoy! you're doing a good thing and you will be rewarded for it: toidy paper in your yard, etc.... >>   Bruce,   You are a STICH!!! I haven't laughed so hard in a long time...... hmmm, at least since I looked at myself in the mirror!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:24:11 EST   In a message dated 3/12/99 9:50:56 PM Central Standard Time, dgoward@uswest.net writes:   << I get the impression that some of you think anything that is not real pipes is crap >>   What was your first clue? A hearty resounding Amen is heard in the church!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:45:16 -0500 (EST)     ><< enjoy! you're doing a good thing and you > will be rewarded for it: toidy paper in your > yard, etc....   >You are a STICH!!! I haven't laughed so hard > in a long time...... hmmm, at least since I > looked at myself in the mirror! Thank you! Insanity is not as difficult to achieve as people say!!! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:39:25 EST     On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:24:01 EST DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 3/12/99 10:44:00 AM Central Standard Time, >Hitkmus@aol.com >writes: > ><< << , perhaps a Bach variation on the tune,"Here Comes Peter Cotton >Tail" > might! > >> > Stan, What is the BWV# on this work? Was it one of the late works??? >>> > >Wasn't that BWV 6969 ? > The confusion on this subject results from the simple fact that it was written, not by J. S. Bach, but by P.D. Q. Bach - from his yet to be discovered "Cadbury Cream Cantata".     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:17:17 -0600   N Brown wrote: > > My dear colleagues, > Why is it they are called "voluntaries" when we are REQUIRED to play > them? LOL   Perhaps a humorous question deserves a serious answer :-) The word comes from the Latin *voluntas*, "will," and originally referred to a piece that arose spontaneously from the player's will, rather than being composed and written down. In other words a *voluntary* was originally a piece that was extemporized or improvised, and the term was used in contrast to a written *composition*. Until the early nineteenth century it was normal for experienced organists almost always to improvise their voluntaries -- which is still to some extent the norm in large churches in France -- and books of written voluntaries were generally only used in church by "beginning organists," though they were studied at home by more experienced organists to help them hone their compositional techniques. The voluntary at the end of the service was generally a fugue, so improvising one was quite a skill. When on a visit to London Haydn heard Thomas Sanders Dupuis improvise his concluding voluntary at the Chapel Royal, he was so impressed that he rushed up to Dupuis afterwards and kissed him. Dupius' reaction to this is not recorded. Handel, who attended church at St. George, Hanover Square, used to leave the service early and rush over the Temple Church to hear John Stanley improvise his concluding fugue at the end. He must hav liked the results, since he made Stanley his literary executor.   John.  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:29:28 -0500 (EST)   Friends, the original German for the title of Bach's piece "Here comes Peter Cotton Tail" is "Hier kommen Herr Hare". have a great day!! :)    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Voluntaries Needed From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:31:29 -0500 (EST)   WOW!! Thank you for the wonderful answer to my rhetorical question. Neil    
(back) Subject: RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:08:53 -0700   You pipe-only guys are a real pip!   The unfortunate reality of life is that economics will dictate a decline in the number of decent pipe organs as churches no longer can afford a quarter to half million or more and the supply of organs in the organ clearing house and similar sources dry up. Then, while those of you who refuse to lower yourselves to play electronics go down to the unemployment office, others of us will continue to offer our services. The sad thing is that there may not be any organists to replace those who refuse to contaminate themselves, thus further hastening the disappearance of the organ from the music scene, to be found only in museums and old, dying churches who can't afford praise bands.   Extreme? Perhaps. But maybe not.   Nuts. I think I'll go put a couple "slices" in the "toaster" and enjoy the music.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:24:52 EST   In a message dated 3/13/99 10:10:30 PM Central Standard Time, dgoward@uswest.net writes:   << You pipe-only guys are a real pip! The unfortunate reality of life is that economics will dictate a decline in the number of decent pipe organs as churches no longer can afford a quarter to half million or more and the supply of organs in the organ clearing house and similar sources dry up. >>   O.K. let's put this in another light...... Would you rather have REAL sex or cyber sex???   Same with the organ........One's a quick fix and the other is the REAL thing!!! Think on that for a few minutes!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:27:58 EST   For my previous posting I realize I may be kicked off this venerable list..... HOWEVER, I am tired of "the electronic is as good as a pipe" debate. As Flor Peeters once said "those of you who think you know it all, please don't annoy those of us who DO".   'Nuf said?   John  
(back) Subject: RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:34:36 -0700   This is getting ridiculous! > > O.K. let's put this in another light...... Would you rather have > REAL sex or > cyber sex??? > > Same with the organ........One's a quick fix and the other is the REAL > thing!!! Think on that for a few minutes!!!     This doesn't even deserve a few minutes' thought. It's not even close. You are equating imagination with reality.   D    
(back) Subject: Fw: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:37:49 -0500   Many times has playing plug-ins put food on the table.   Rick.   -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 11:10 PM Subject: RE: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805     >You pipe-only guys are a real pip! > >The unfortunate reality of life is that economics will dictate a decline in >the number of decent pipe organs as churches no longer can afford a quarter >to half million or more and the supply of organs in the organ clearing house >and similar sources dry up. Then, while those of you who refuse to lower >yourselves to play electronics go down to the unemployment office, others of >us will continue to offer our services. The sad thing is that there may not >be any organists to replace those who refuse to contaminate themselves, thus >further hastening the disappearance of the organ from the music scene, to be >found only in museums and old, dying churches who can't afford praise bands. > >Extreme? Perhaps. But maybe not. > >Nuts. I think I'll go put a couple "slices" in the "toaster" and enjoy the >music. > >Dennis Goward > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >