PipeChat Digest #758 - Monday, March 15, 1999
 
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: HELP!!!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
First Bish concert
  by "Frank Johnson" <usd465@horizon.hit.net>
Re: Oak Cliff Lutheran Church, Dallas
  by "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net>
Re: Oak Cliff Lutheran Church, Dallas
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Langlais--Amazing Amazing Grace
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
enough already
  by "Jeff Weber" <jweber@netins.net>
Re: enough already
  by <Afreed0904@aol.com>
In Essential Things, Unity; In Doubtful Things, Liberty; In ALL Things, C
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Carlo Curley
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
New Austin 4M/63
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: In Essential Things, Unity; In Doubtful Things, Liberty;  In ALL Thin
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: New Austin 4M/63
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: New Austin 4M/63
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:43:50 -0800   I'm sorry, John. You are entitled to you opinions about organs but name calling and attacking others' musicality to justify your own positilon is the height of ignorance.   Jason McGuire ---------- >From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 >Date: Sun, Mar 14, 1999, 9:52 AM >   >In a message dated 3/14/99 9:30:41 AM Central Standard Time, KriderSM@aol.com >writes: > ><< A comeback to this is.... Just because you cannot make love with Madonna or > (fill in your favorite super model's name) does that mean that making love to > that wonderful girl next door you married is somehow not as good? > > Psychologists agree that the most powerful sex organ is the brain. It's the > fine qualities one perceives to be possessed by the gal, er, instrument that > counts!!! ;-) >> > >AND your point is??? > >An Electronic can and will NEVER be a true organ and for those who have >musicality and any sense of it can audibly tell the differance. One could >then discern that those who like the electronics have no musicality and are >ignorant. > >John > >P.S. Madonna? Get real, not in my worst nightmares ;-) > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:49:21 -0500 (EST)   I would be curious to know how Glenda made out with the Rodgers at their program. Wasn't it on Sunday?   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:01:45 EST   In a message dated 3/14/99 8:53:57 PM Central Standard Time, jason@johannus- norcal.com writes:   << I'm sorry, John. You are entitled to you opinions about organs but name calling and attacking others' musicality to justify your own positilon is the height of ignorance. >>   You know, I wasn't trying to "bash" anyone.... just trying to make a point - which is perfectly valid. I'll just take my marbles elsewhere if everyone is so thin skinned. Geeze Louise!   John  
(back) Subject: First Bish concert From: usd465@horizon.hit.net (Frank Johnson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:27:20 -0600   Just a short note to express my elation at having heard Miss Bish this afternoon. I will post the program and info about the rebuilt Moler. The rebuild was done by Schantz. More later.   Frank   Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ 1922 E. 14th Winfield, KS 67156      
(back) Subject: Re: Oak Cliff Lutheran Church, Dallas From: "Tom Jones" <tomj@netpath.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:44:49 -0500   >Offertory: Variations on "Amazing Grace" - Langlais   I have never heard of this and would be grateful for the publisher and other pertinent information (a number if possible, and is it in a collection or part of a suite?) so I could order it.   Regards and many thanks,   Tom Jones Organist/Choir Director Mebane Presbyterian Church, Mebane, N.C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Oak Cliff Lutheran Church, Dallas From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:59:40 EST   In a message dated 3/14/99 9:47:11 PM Central Standard Time, tomj@netpath.net writes:   << >Offertory: Variations on "Amazing Grace" - Langlais I have never heard of this and would be grateful for the publisher and other pertinent information (a number if possible, and is it in a collection or part of a suite?) so I could order it. >>   It's in a book named "Variations on American Folk Hymns" - Jean Langlais. I don't have the book in front of me... it is still in the organ loft, so I can't give you the publisher off hand. Perhaps another list member may be familiar with the book's publisher.   John  
(back) Subject: Langlais--Amazing Amazing Grace From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:10:45 -0500 (EST)   Tom, The Langlais "Amazing Grace" is a very loverly piece of music. It's too nice to be a "choral prelude" -- you know how I am! ;-)   I have just ordered the "improvisations" as I believe they are called from Brenda Durden (The Frantic Organist) at =A0 brendadurden@franticorganist.com   She will have all the info you need. I believe she also has an 800 number. If you like I'll look it up (that would mean moving the dawgs! hehe)   bruce   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net    
(back) Subject: enough already From: "Jeff Weber" <jweber@netins.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:15:04 -0600       >I have had enough of the pipe vs electronic wars. I left Piporg-l for the >same reasons, and this list is no better than that elitist bunch. Just >because my church cannot afford/has no room for a pipe organ, DOES NOT mean >that I, as organist, am an idiot and unmusical. AND WE WONDER WHY THE ORGAN >IS A SLOWLY DIEING INSTRUMENT! With attitudes like this, why would anyone >in their right mind want to be involved with this bunch of snobbish, >arrogant, rude people? How can some of you sit on your church's organ bench >with a clear conscience? >    
(back) Subject: Re: enough already From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:23:53 EST   Jeff:   About a week or ten days ago I got my hands on LW again, and remembered some comments of yours about six months ago. Starting to work on a reply. Some day when you have a long grey beard you'll get a reply!   How's the Holy Week planning going?   Alan  
(back) Subject: In Essential Things, Unity; In Doubtful Things, Liberty; In ALL Things, CHARITY!!! From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:39:29 -0800   In my long career, I have played the following in church jobs:   Estey 2-stop reed organ Hammond Spinet Estey 7-rank tubular pneumatic Estey 10-stop two-manual reed organ Allen S-10 Allen TC-1 3-manual Austin of 1929 2-manual Wicks of the '20s 2-manual Schantz of 1959 3-manual Holtkamp of VERY early - that's the first detached positiv, at St. James in Cleveland 3-manual Austin of 1928 2- manual Verschueren of ??? (best burnt ... grin .. and it was a PIPE organ) 2-manual Koehnken & Grim tracker of 1890 2-manual Baldwin - never can remember the model numbers of those beasts .... it WASN'T a 5 (grin) 2-manual Pilcher of the '20s ... it DID burn, all on its own 4-manual Casavant blunderbuss of the '50s 3-manual Moller of the '60s - also best burnt, and it was ANOTHER pipe organ 2-manual Moller of the '60s - actually better than the big one 2-manual Baldwin - ??? 2-manual Wurlitzer amplified reed 2-manual Rodgers 3-manual Rodgers Hammond church model Hammond H-100 Hammond Concert Model Hammond/Suzuki 825   And there wasn't a ONE of them that I couldn't make music on. Period. Go and do likewise.   Right notes are still right notes; correct phrasing and articulation is still correct phrasing and articulation; good literature is still good literature; good hymn-playing is still good hymn-playing. Good taste is still good taste. Any number of those churches wouldn't have had ANYTHING if they hadn't had reed or electronic organs.   In my present position, there WILL probably be a pipe organ eventually. In the meantime, the Hammond/Suzuki is adequate for accompanying the Mass and simple anthems. So I concentrate on the Chant.   I love making music in church too much to turn up my nose at ANYTHING.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: Tom Hoehn <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:43:20 -0500   William Lengyel wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > You are 100% correct. I have had the opportunity to play pipe organs. > but not on a regular basis. I played a Baldwin Model 11 for 17 years, an > Allen 6000 ADC for 8, an Allen MDS 71 for 18 months and currently play a > small self contained Allen. When we remodel (redecorate)? <G> we have > budgeted $65,000 for a digital instrument. The 2 brands I am most > interested in are Rodgers and Britson, althugh I recently rec'd a demo > CD from Makin organs in England and it is impressive too. It certainly > takes a lot more creativity to get those older analog instruments to > sound good. But it can be done! I had pestered the pastor for about 6 > years when I played the Baldwin to get something newer. A friend who > played at the Cathedral at the time heard me play and quipped."You keep > making that thing sound that good and you'll never get a new organ", he > was right! > > By the way, our Cathedral has a 1959 (?) 55 rank Moller in the Gallery, > rebuilt and expanded to 58 gallery ranks with a separate 12 rank choir > organ behind the choir which had swell shades opening into the chapel as > well by Bunn-Minnick in 1986. Recently, choir went back to the gallery, > YEAH, and a 4 manual custom Rodgers with 88 digital stops was added to > the original 55 ranks. The Archbishop also had EVERY SINGLE PIECE of > sound absorbing material removed from the sanctuary! There is also a > digital antiphonal division in front, in the dome. It is glorious and > 90% of the time you cannot tell which is pipe and which is digital. > Future plans include another wind blown solo trumpet in front and a > duplicate console which will be in front for "concitals." > > BillMIA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org Would that be the St. Mary's Cathedral in MIAMI???   I saw the drawings and specs for the building at Central Music just after the contract was signed. Very impressive looking. Nelson and crew do good work....   Of course I'm prejudiced, I used to work for them too!   Tom Hoehn Trinity Presbyterian Church Clearwater.   PS: I still do demo work for them occassionally!  
(back) Subject: Carlo Curley From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:08:56 EST   Did Not! Did Not! Did Not! Did Not! }:-{ I am the one that heard him play an Allen. Remember??? ;-) SK     Miltronix@aol.com recently wrote:     <snip> KriderSM@aol.com writes:       << Not correct. I heard him on an electronic built by ICMI in an Ohio church.   >> <snip>    
(back) Subject: New Austin 4M/63 From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:40:23 -0800   Austin Organs has just about completed the installation of a new 4M/63 rank organ at St. Mary's College in Moraga, CA, which includes about 20 ranks from the 1858 Erben and 1902 Murray Harris organs. The organ contains 4 pairs of beautiful celestes, ensemble and color reeds and a big hooded trumpet. The instrument and its beautiful cherry console command the rear gallery of this lovely Spanish chapel. Another approximately 19 ranks are planned for the chancel.   Our local AGO chapger, the San Francisco chapter, held its March meeting and concert there yesterday. Local talent provided some wonderful performances of works of Frank, Bach, Widor, Karg-Elert, and Mendelssohn. At the end of the concert, the console and organ were open to anyone who wished to play the new organ. I arrived first and began to "sample" some sounds and after only about 1-1/2 minutes there appeared a young boy, whom I presumed to be about 8, on my left with shoes on and music in hand. He was so eager to get to the organ that I figure, hey, I'll have other opportunities to play this organ and reliniquished the console to him. He began by reaching for a stop knob in the Great, then pushed it back, looking frustrated at the size of the sumptuoulsy appointed console. Just as I reached to help me a woman, whom presumed to be his monther, asked me to help him. I registered the organ for the piece he was about to play, quickly pulling stops, pressing couplers, as though I had played that organ for years ... isn't it wonderful that when everything is where it is supposed to be we can do that so naturally? I turned pages for him, too and, are you ready? This boy, who it turns out is 11 years old and has studied organ for 2 years (after 5 at the piano), went to town with the Toccata from Widor's 5th Symphony and played it like a pro! I pulled the big trumpet on for the last few chords and the crowd around the console, most of whom had been standing there watching in amazement, gasped and broke into a standing ovation the moment his tiny hands left the keyboard. What a thrill! I did not get his name, though I can get that from the chapter Dean later, but I suspect we will be hearing a lot of this young prodegy in the years to come. I was so glad to have been the first one to the console so I could be right there to watch and participate. He inspired me to "dig down deeper and work harder" for myself. What a treat!   If anyone is interested in the stop list, let me know and I will post it.   Jason McGuire  
(back) Subject: Re: In Essential Things, Unity; In Doubtful Things, Liberty; In ALL Things, CHARITY!!! From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:44:40 -0800   At 08:39 PM 3/14/1999 -0800, Bud/burgie wrote: >In my long career, I have played the following in church jobs:<snip>   'Bout time someone came up with a list like that! Let's drop this pipe vs. electronic thead NOW...organs is organs!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP!!! with Rodgers 805 From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:29:07 EST   Help! Can the list administrator or anyone help me figure out how to keep from receiving mail from certain folks. Thanks, Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: New Austin 4M/63 From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:33:10 -0600   Jason   That was a wonderful story about the SFAGO "open console" We need to encourage that much more.   This afternoon I noticed several young people in the audience and one of them I recognized as a student, who I think is in either grade school or junior high, that had participated in a workshop the Chapter had with Dr. John Obetz last fall and who played privately for Obetz later on that day. I really see the need to encourage this young man and I hope that we can get him involved in our Chapter soon.   I for one would love to see the spec for the St. Mary's organ. I heard some about it this past fall at the AIO conference from one of our listmemebers who was going to be going there to help finish it.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: New Austin 4M/63 From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:12:24 EST   Hi Jason,,and list---- I saw that Austin on the erecting room floor in Hartford late last summer,,,I was Im-pressed,,,to say the least,,,it should be a very very nice instrument! :-)   Cheers, ---Roc