PipeChat Digest #762 - Thursday, March 18, 1999
 
Fw: Mathias
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Windsor Castle  (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Fw: Windsor Castle  (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Windsor Castle  (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Windsor Castle  (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Windsor Castle  (Was: Fw: Mathias)
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Site Update (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: Fw: Mathias
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(back) Subject: Fw: Mathias From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:47:05 -0500   Hi John... When Britain had that fire a few years ago at Westminster (?), wasn't the chapel and organ also damaged in that fire ? If so, what is the status of that now?   Rick.     -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 4:27 AM Subject: Re: Mathias     >Since we are discussing contemporary British composers I feel that it is my >duty to introduce you to Sir Richard Popplewell. Sir Richard is Her Majesty's >Organist/Master of the Choristers and Composer in Residence. Sir Richard >allowed me the great honor of playing the great Harrison & Harrison at The >Chapel Royal, St. James's Palace, London. He has written a few works, my most >favorite being Triumphal March (published by Banks Music Publications). His >artistic genius may also be found on the CD or tape recording of Royal >Composers, The Children and Gentlemen of Her Majesty's Chapels Royal St. >James's Palace. Music by Byrd, Purcell and Gibbons. > >It should be known that no animals or persons were mistreated in the >manufacture of this message. Furthermore, I trust that this message will not >create a debate of any kind! > >John A. Gambill, Jr. >Organist/Choirmaster >Oak Cliff Lutheran Church >Dallas, Texas > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:09:26 -0600   Rick   You are thinking of WINDSOR Castle. Yes, the Chapel and the Organ, which I think might have been a Father Willis, was destroyed. All of that has been rebuilt and there is a new organ installed. I don't remember the specifics of the new instrument right now. There is an account of the fire and the restoration at http://www.royal.gov.uk/palaces/winsrest.htm but unfortunately it doesn't mention anything about the organ. I will do some checking later today to get the specifics of the new instrument   David     >Hi John... When Britain had that fire a few years ago at Westminster (?), >wasn't the chapel and organ also damaged in that fire ? If so, what is the >status of that now? > >Rick.  
(back) Subject: Fw: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:18:34 -0500   Thanks Dave.   Rick. -----Original Message----- From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias)     >Rick > >You are thinking of WINDSOR Castle. Yes, the Chapel and the Organ, which I >think might have been a Father Willis, was destroyed. All of that has been >rebuilt and there is a new organ installed. I don't remember the specifics >of the new instrument right now. There is an account of the fire and the >restoration at http://www.royal.gov.uk/palaces/winsrest.htm but >unfortunately it doesn't mention anything about the organ. I will do some >checking later today to get the specifics of the new instrument > >David > > >>Hi John... When Britain had that fire a few years ago at Westminster (?), >>wasn't the chapel and organ also damaged in that fire ? If so, what is the >>status of that now? >> >>Rick. > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:23:30 -0600   I have a CD of the old organ and it was indeed a gem. I rarely listen to it because it is sad to think that such a work of art is no longer there.   Robert  
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:46:59 -0500   At 07:23 AM 3/18/99 -0600, Robert Eversman wrote: >I have a CD of the old organ and it was indeed a gem. I rarely listen to >it because it is sad to think that such a work of art is no longer there.   Robert, and listers,   I cannot agree with you, for if I did, a large proportion of my record collection would be unplayed.   It is my belief that each recording of something, (or some-one), that has gone, is worth treasuring and listening to. I have friends who will not play their Jacqueline du Pres LPs, others who cannot bear to hear other eminent performers, but it seems to me that recordings are there to be played, not archived as being too precious to hear.   My own collection of organ recordings has some notable instruments and organists that have long since gone, but I love to play them, and when I have played them over the air, I have had listeners call to ask where they can buy the LP or CD.   Which brings to mind a question that I have for you, - are there any re-issues on CD of Eduarde Commette playing the organ of the Cathedral of St. Jean de Lyon? I have a couple of LPs, but they are getting worn with playing them! My 78's of Commette playing have long since gone!   Bob Conway,   CFRC-FM (Ex Organic Dee-Jay)  
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:53:56 -0500 (EST)   Just to make sure that we're talking here about the private chapel, not St. George's Chapel, which was not damaged. Is the CD the same issue as the cassette available from OHS: Heritage label, 1992, played by Jonathan Rees-Williams? This was an unaltered Fr. Willis, with two 4m consoles. It was cleaned and overhauled in 1979 by J.W. Walker. Sorry if all this was made clear previously. I tuned in late to this thread. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:10:36 -0600   Perhaps I have this all wrong. Not not the main Chapel, that is a Harrison and Harrison right?   Yes, the cd is the one in St. George's Hall, so that was not destroyed? Was an organ destroyed by the fire? I think I need my 2nd cup of mud!   Bob, I hear what your saying, I just have to be in the right mood to listen to certain recordings because I am a sentamental ol' (or at least aging) fool ! LOL :)   Since I we are talking about this recording (and yes you are correct it features Jonathan Rees-Williams at the console) the only thing I don't like is the upper end of the pedal 16' reed, it has a harmonic that is not pleasant to me. You really hear it in the Mendelssohn Sonata in Fm. But overall I love the sound of this instrument and of course, who am i to judge Father Willis ?!     ---------- From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:53 AM   Just to make sure that we're talking here about the private chapel, not St. George's Chapel, which was not damaged. Is the CD the same issue as the cassette available from OHS: Heritage label, 1992, played by Jonathan Rees-Williams? This was an unaltered Fr. Willis, with two 4m consoles. It was cleaned and overhauled in 1979 by J.W. Walker. Sorry if all this was made clear previously. I tuned in late to this thread. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:27:35 -0600   Robert   There are two different Chapels at Windsor - St. George's Chapel, which is in the Lower Ward of the Castle and the Private Chapel which is in the Upper Ward and is the Queen's residence. St. George's HALL is also in the main body of the Castle in the Upper Ward. If I am not mistaken the Fr. Willis spoke both into the Private Chapel and into St. George's HALL. The Private Chapel is where the fire began and St. George's Hall was also damaged by it.   St. George's Chapel is where the recent Kings and Queens are buried and is also the site of the annual Garter Service.   David   >Perhaps I have this all wrong. Not not the main Chapel, that is a Harrison >and Harrison right? > > Yes, the cd is the one in St. George's Hall, so that was not destroyed? >Was an organ destroyed by the fire? I think I need my 2nd cup of mud! > >Bob, I hear what your saying, I just have to be in the right mood to listen >to certain recordings because I am a sentamental ol' (or at least aging) >fool ! >LOL :) > >Since I we are talking about this recording (and yes you are correct it >features Jonathan Rees-Williams at the console) the only thing I don't like >is the upper end of the pedal 16' reed, it has a harmonic that is not >pleasant to me. You really hear it in the Mendelssohn Sonata in Fm. But >overall I love the sound of this instrument and of course, who am i to >judge Father Willis ?! > > >---------- >From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) >Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:53 AM > > Just to make sure that we're talking here about the private chapel, >not St. George's Chapel, which was not damaged. > Is the CD the same issue as the cassette available from OHS: >Heritage label, 1992, played by Jonathan Rees-Williams? This was an >unaltered Fr. Willis, with two 4m consoles. It was cleaned and >overhauled in 1979 by J.W. Walker. > Sorry if all this was made clear previously. I tuned in late to this >thread. > >Stan Yoder >Pittsburgh > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:37:27 -0600   Thanks David, yes, I know the main chapel well as I had the thrill of sitting in choir for an evensong, my skin is still chilled thinking about it !   How damaged was the organ in St. George's Hall? anyone know?       ---------- From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:27 AM   Robert   There are two different Chapels at Windsor - St. George's Chapel, which is in the Lower Ward of the Castle and the Private Chapel which is in the Upper Ward and is the Queen's residence. St. George's HALL is also in the main body of the Castle in the Upper Ward. If I am not mistaken the Fr. Willis spoke both into the Private Chapel and into St. George's HALL. The Private Chapel is where the fire began and St. George's Hall was also damaged by it.   St. George's Chapel is where the recent Kings and Queens are buried and is also the site of the annual Garter Service.   David   >Perhaps I have this all wrong. Not not the main Chapel, that is a Harrison >and Harrison right? > > Yes, the cd is the one in St. George's Hall, so that was not destroyed? >Was an organ destroyed by the fire? I think I need my 2nd cup of mud! > >Bob, I hear what your saying, I just have to be in the right mood to listen >to certain recordings because I am a sentamental ol' (or at least aging) >fool ! >LOL :) > >Since I we are talking about this recording (and yes you are correct it >features Jonathan Rees-Williams at the console) the only thing I don't like >is the upper end of the pedal 16' reed, it has a harmonic that is not >pleasant to me. You really hear it in the Mendelssohn Sonata in Fm. But >overall I love the sound of this instrument and of course, who am i to >judge Father Willis ?! > > >---------- >From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) >Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:53 AM > > Just to make sure that we're talking here about the private chapel, >not St. George's Chapel, which was not damaged. > Is the CD the same issue as the cassette available from OHS: >Heritage label, 1992, played by Jonathan Rees-Williams? This was an >unaltered Fr. Willis, with two 4m consoles. It was cleaned and >overhauled in 1979 by J.W. Walker. > Sorry if all this was made clear previously. I tuned in late to this >thread. > >Stan Yoder >Pittsburgh > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:59:27 -0600   The organ in St. George's Hall and the organ in the Private Chapel were one in the same with two separate consoles. And that organ was the one destroyed in teh fire   David     >Thanks David, yes, I know the main chapel well as I had the thrill of >sitting in choir for an evensong, my skin is still chilled thinking about >it ! > >How damaged was the organ in St. George's Hall? anyone know?  
(back) Subject: Re: Windsor Castle (Was: Fw: Mathias) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:03:14 -0500 (EST)     >I have a CD of the old organ and it was indeed > a gem. I rarely listen to it because it is sad to > think that such a work of art is no longer > there. I know what you mean. I have that recording, too. I also have a disc of Glenn Gould playing part of the Art of the Fugue on a wonderful 3m 5 division Casavant at All Saints Anglican Church, in Kingston (?). The church burned and the new organ is by Kney (?). It is difficult to listen to these organs that will never speak again. Wasn't St. George's NYC damaged by fire, as well (where Biggs did his Festival of French Organ Music)?   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If you eliminate smoking and gambling, you will be amazed to find that almost all an Englishman's pleasures can be, and mostly are, shared by his dog. -- George Bernard Shaw    
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(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Mathias From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:32:28 EST   In a message dated 3/18/99 6:48:03 AM Central Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << Hi John... When Britain had that fire a few years ago at Westminster = (?), wasn't the chapel and organ also damaged in that fire ? If so, what is t= he status of that now? >>   That would be the organ and private Royal Chapel at Windsor Castle.... not= to be confused with St. George's Chapel at Windsor.   The organ was totally destroyed in that fire and I believe that these are = the specs. for the destroyed organ:   NPOR search V2.80 on Thu Mar 18 17:27:46 1999   =A9 The British Institute of Organ Studies   Berkshire, Windsor   Windsor Castle [N09883]   Grid ref: SU9676 Survey date: c.1940s Castle   Date Builder Hill     Key action Stop action Compass low Compass high Notes Enclosed Pedal Great Swell Choir     Department Stop name Pitch Pedal 1 Open Diapason 16 2 Principal 8 3 Trombone 16     Department Stop name Pitch Great 4 Double Open and Bourdon 16 5 Open Diapason 8 6 Stopped Diapason 8 7 Cone Gamba 8 8 Quint 2 2/3 9 Principal 4 10 Flute 4 11 Twelfth 2 2/3 12 Fifteenth 2 13 Sesquialtera III 14 Posaune 8 15 Clarion 4     Department Stop name Pitch Swell 16 Double Diapason 16 17 Open Diapason 8 18 Stopped Diapason 8 19 Principal 4 20 Fifteenth 2 21 Sesquialtera II 22 Cornopean 8 23 Oboe 8     Department Stop name Pitch Choir 24 Open Diapason 8 25 Clarabella & Stopped Bass 8 26 Salicional 8 Tc 27 Gemshorn 4 28 Flute 4 29 Cromorne 2     Swell to Great Swell to Pedal Great to Pedal   John