PipeChat Digest #822 - Sunday, May 2, 1999
 
Re: organists' longevity
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Powell Weaver
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Powell Weaver
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: organists/composers
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Music at First Church, Toms River
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
The organ: King of Instruments...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: just curious
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: organists/composers
  by "Stephen Karr" <sfpkarr@hotmail.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: [organchat] organists/composers
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Holy Innocents -- Atlanta
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: organists' longevity
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
organist couples & Fox interview
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: organist couples & Fox interview
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
looking for...........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: Brent Johnson <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:24:31 -0500   I think sitting on a bench practicing all day probably is more life susta= ining than say, the job of a hang glider tester. At least I think that would a= ccount for the long lives of past organists such as Bach, Buxtehude, and Couperi= n, who lived well beyond their peers. (Plus they had to walk everywhere, that m= ight have helped the heart muscles out.) I do think working in a church is a = safe place, and music a relatively safe profession (Lully's little incident's = not withstanding.) Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://209.235.102.9/~org20050/ organwebring@hotmail.com   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > Hey all, > > this could be very interesting. =3D) A fellow list membe= r (and > friend), has brought up a very good point. What about those of us who d= o > God's work in the worship service and in concert? Are we rewarded with = good > health and long lives. (there are other working conditions, but that's > another thread). Let's take a look at some of the world's foremost > organists/composers, and see how long they lived. > > J. S. Bach---> 65 years old > C. M. Widor-----> 93 years old > L. Vierne-----> 67 years old > J. Alain-----> 29 years old (very tragic) > C. Balbastre-----> 72 years old > L. Beethoven-----> 57 years old > L. Bo=EBllmann-----> 35 years old > A. P. F. Bo=EBly-----> 73 years old > J. Bonnet-----> 80 years old > D. Buxtehude-----> 70 years old > F. Couperin-----> 65 years old > L. C. D'Aquin-----> 78 years old > T. Dubois-----> 87 years old > M. Dupr=E9-----> 85 years old > M. Durufl=E9-----> 84 years old > C. Franck-----> 68 years old > E. Gigout-----> 81 years old > A. Guilmant-----> 74 years old > S. Karg-Elert-----> 56 years old > J. N. Lemmens-----> 58 years old > L. Marchand-----> 63 years old > G. B. Martini-----> 78 years old > H. Mulet-----> 89 years old > G. Piern=E9-----> 74 years old > H. Purcell-----> 36 years old > M. Reger-----> 43 years old > C. Tournemire-----> 69 years old > L. Farnam-----> 45 years old > M. Lanquetuit-----> 91 years old > G. Faur=E9-----> 79 years old > P. Fletcher-----> 53 years old > G. Mushel-----> 80 years old > > Some of the modern names: > Brian Hesford-----> 69 and still going > E. Power Biggs-----> died at 71 > Virgil Fox-----> died at 68 > Marie Claire Alain-----> 73 and still going > Diane Bish------> ?? and still going (I know it, but I'm not telling) > > Do we see a trend? Maybe yes, maybe no. Someone was once heard to say a= bout > the death of Leon Boellmann at the very young age of 35, that he was on= the > way to becoming one of the best composers of our time. What a terrible = loss. > We, as organists should be granted long prosperous lives. After all, we= 're > doing God's work, and why shouldn't we live long? After all, we do our = best > work sitting down!!! > > Carlo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Powell Weaver From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:29:36 EDT   Hey all,   Powell Weaver, (????-????). Can anyone fill in these dates for me? Thanx.   c.p.     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Powell Weaver From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:36:32 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > Hey all, > > Powell Weaver, (????-????). Can anyone fill in these > dates for me? Thanx.   1890-1951. You're welcome.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:44:44 -0500   Brent Johnson wrote: > > I think sitting on a bench practicing all day probably is more life sustaining > than say, the job of a hang glider tester. At least I think that would account > for the long lives of past organists such as Bach, Buxtehude, and Couperin, who > lived well beyond their peers. (Plus they had to walk everywhere, that might > have helped the heart muscles out.) I do think working in a church is a safe > place, and music a relatively safe profession (Lully's little incident's not > withstanding.)   Lully was not an isolated example. Many organists of the late seventeenth and early eighteenth century died in their thirties.   Henry Purcell died of pneumonia, which he caught after coming home drunk one night and being locked out of the house by his wife.   Michael Wise died after having a row with his wife, storming out of the house, picking a fight with the constable and getting a broken skull.   Jeremiah Clarke shot himself because he was forbidden by her father to marry the woman he loved.   Mind you, the common factor in shortening their lives seems to have been women rather than organs ... <g>   John Speller.  
(back) Subject: Re: organists/composers From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:15:11 -0400   Ted was 61 (I think) or close to it.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea (aka Fort Lauderdale)   At 05:46 PM 5/1/99 EDT, Carlo P. wrote: > There was also >the late Ted Alan Worth, who passed away this past December. Anyone know how >old he was.    
(back) Subject: Music at First Church, Toms River From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:27:38 -0400 (EDT)   Service music for First United Methodist Church, Toms River, NJ --Easter V   Prelude: Psalm Preludes (Piet Rippen) Postlude: Toccata for Organ (J. Weaver) This is 1st installment of ToccataFest 99   Hymns: Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones (Lasst Uns Erfreuen); Only Trust Him   Anthems: 8:30, Sanctuary Choir I Will Glorify Your Name (Cindy Berry) Cast Thy Burden Upon the Lord (C. Bass)   11:00, Singspirations (Teen Choir) Alleluia Canon (Mozart/I forget arranger) Seek and You Will Find (N. Sleeth)   Peace to you all. Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO    
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:01:34 -0400 (EDT)   Speaking of, it scares me a little (I am not sure why) to think that I have already outlived Mozart, Schubert, Chopin, G. Gershwin, Mendelssohn! Their causes of death notwithstanding. But this would be a fascinating study about organists. I would venture to say that the aerobic benefits of playing, drawing knobs, pedalling, practicing, are part of it. Even if many of us grow deaf! Long live the organists!! --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:04:46 -0400 (EDT)     >We, as organists should be granted long > prosperous lives. After all, we're doing God's > work, and why shouldn't we live long? After > all, we do our best work sitting down!!! Our rewards are not here. I consider those with early rewards quite lucky.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If a dog will not come to you after he has looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience. --Woodrow Wilson    
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT)   Mr. Speller, could that have been why the Apostle Paul suggested that we stay as he was? LOL This does not warrant a continuous thread, in my humble opinion, but I thought it, so I share it for your levity. Peace. --Neil    
(back) Subject: The organ: King of Instruments... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:13:26 EDT   Hey all,   Mozart called the organ "the king of instruments" because it imitates all other instruments. It isn't always treated that way. I can remember a story that Diane told me once. Early in her career, she was organist at this small-town church, before playing the services she went out to check the sign-board, and it read "Sermon topic: What is hell like? Come hear our new church organist". What a hoot!! Little did they know at the time that their "new church organist" would make a name for herself. Oh well, we as organists are often not appreciated. Bach was actually fired from one church job because his playing was too flamboyant. Can you imagine that!! Ha, what do they know anyway?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT)   >I would venture to say that the aerobic benefits > of playing, drawing knobs, pedalling, > practicing, are part of it. HAH! I KNEW IT.....   pistons and MIDI kill! ;-)   > Even if many of us grow deaf! WHAT?   (actually, we're not really deaf... it's a defence mechanism!!) hehehe=A0   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If a dog will not come to you after he has looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience. --Woodrow Wilson    
(back) Subject: Re: just curious From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:16:09 -0500   I, too, am a train enthusiast and clock enthusiast. I collect a bit of train stuff, but haven't begun to collect clocks (other than the ones we need to function with).   I'm also very much interested in web-page design and maintain two meta-lists of music resources - one for church musicians and one for music theory teachers ("Little House on the Internet" at www.pldi.net/~murrows/).   I teach music at the college level (music theory, piano, and organ) and am organist for the local Presbyterian Church (PCUSA), with a 2-manual Reuter of 13 ranks (serviceable, but not a great recital instrument - but we make the best of what we have; I try to give a recital of Advent/Christmas/Epiphany music every couple of years - that's about the extent of my recital efforts.   I only have a piano at home, but am searching at the moment for a 2- or 3-manual used Allen or Rodgers for my home (just looked this weekend at a new Rodgers 800-series instrument - WOW! - even with a church price, it's more than my pocketbook can stand!).   It's very interesting to read about other list-members. Thanks for adding this thread.   Rodney C. Murrow Freedom, OK   VEAGUE wrote:   > Hi List... This running thread on everyone's +ACI-occupations+ACI- is very > interesting- like getting to know your neighbors-- well, I won't go into > that. hehe. > It is amazing to find several people liking organs, clocks and trains. In > the past, I've met many others' with those interests too. > It seems many here are well-versed in liturgy, organ maintainence, and / or > musicology. > Good going to you all. > > Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net http://www.svs.net/Dutch > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: organists/composers From: "Stephen Karr" <sfpkarr@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:19:34 EDT   >and let's not forget Catherine Crozier, who well into her seventies, >is >still going strong.   Actually, she just played her 85th birthday concert in LA at First Congregational. David Craighead, also, is getting up there at 75 this year.   >Also, do you all realize that 1937 was a terrible year in the organ >world? >We lost 3 big names that year: Widor, Vierne and Pierné.   That was a terrible year, but think of 1685, in which we got Handel, Domenico Scarlatti, and J.S. Bach.   -Stephen     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:19:52 -0400 (EDT)   Bruce, a defense mechanism I use to good advantage at home. he he he --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: [organchat] organists/composers From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:20:14 -0000   Catharine Crozier just celebrated her 85th birthday. David Craighead celebrated his 75th. Ted Worth was in his early 60's, I think. Leslie P. Spelman is in his 90's. Clarence Watters died at 83.   JOHN          
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:20:35 EDT   In a message dated 5/1/99 9:06:01 PM Central Daylight Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << Our rewards are not here. I consider those with early rewards quite lucky. >> A tad bit morose tonight aren't we, old chap? We need a few "tee-hees" to lighten up this thread:) regards R.J.Siegel  
(back) Subject: Holy Innocents -- Atlanta From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:55:35 -0400 (EDT)   I noticed in TAO that Holy Innocents - Atlanta is selling their 1978 3m Moller. Something else (?) is going in after Fall 1999. Does anyone know what??   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If a dog will not come to you after he has looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience. --Woodrow Wilson    
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:15:19 -0400 (EDT)     ><< Our rewards are not here. =A0 I consider > those with early rewards quite lucky.   >=A0 A tad bit morose tonight aren't we, old chap? > We need a few "tee-hees" to lighten up this > thread:)   Oh gee!!! Musta forgot my &#^$% smiley face! Sorry. My auto transmission had a seizure today and I had to rent a Mustang convertible. It was a wonderful flip-top day, but I couldn't find the "top down" button. I did find it when I got home, however. I was checking to make sure the car was secured when I spotted a button on the console which said "Secure Parking Brake". Well, I pushed it to secure the parking brake and, wonder of wonders, it's the dang "top down" button. Oh well, I'll go to church in high style tomorrow (whooooo. my hair'l be a frite!!!)   oh yeah! teehee! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If a dog will not come to you after he has looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience. --Woodrow Wilson    
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:20:50 -0700   At 11:15 PM 5/1/1999 -0400, bruce cornely wrote: > Oh well, I'll go to church in high style tomorrow >(whooooo. my hair'l be a frite!!!)   Yuh best be keerful wiff yer hair in da wind, dere...yuh'll wind up lookin' like dat dere Hope-Jonez fella! harharharhar!!!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: organist couples & Fox interview From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:00:03 EDT   Hey all,   I was just thinking, over the years, how many couples were organists? So far, I can think of:   Maurice & Marie-Madeleine Duruflé Bernard & Mireille Lagacé (based here in Montreal) Raymond & Aline Daveluy (based here in Montreal) Gerre & Judith Hancock Kenneth & Ellen Landis Marian & David Craighead   Any more? Also, I have the December 1970 (Vol. 4, Issue 12) of "Music", the AGO and RCCO magazine. In it is an interview with Virgil Fox-Part I. I'm looking for part II. Does anyone have it?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organist couples & Fox interview From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:51:01 -0700   Don't forget the Chennaults! They have commissioned so many works for organ duos. _____________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: looking for........... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 03:31:48 EDT   Hey gang,   this may be a long-shot, but here goes....I'm looking for an organ piece. I don't know who it's from. It's a fast-paced toccata which starts in the key of F# major, then has an inner section in F# minor, then goes back to F# major. It should be 5 pages long (99% sure). The hands do fast alternating chords while the pedal plays the melody. If this descriptions sounds the least bit familiar to anyone, please let me know. I have a recording of this piece. I'd be willing to turn it into a wave file and send it to members who think they might know the title. You're probably wondering how I can have a recording of it and know what it looks like and not know the name. Well, Diane played it on an episode of The Joy of Music (Wells Cathedral), in Somerset England, and they didn't put the title up. Dand nammit! Anyway, any help with this would be appreciated.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 03:58:32 EDT     On Sat, 1 May 1999 16:27:55 -0500 runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) writes: >Lanquetuit: 1894-1985 >Widor: 1845-1937 > > >I think I read somewhere that a number of nonagenerians have arisen >from >the ranks of orchestral conductors, and that it may be due to the >cardiovascular benefits of constantly waving one's arms. But what >about >organists, or organ composers. Has anyone done a study of their >longevity, >I wonder? > >Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu >Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) >Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH) > Actually, I did. It was probably 15+ years ago. If I remember correctly, the study was purely anecdotal (not controlled), and seemed to indicate that classical musicians of all stripes live longer than other musicians, and the population in general. Can't remember if a hypothetical reason was given or not.   Shalom, Preston Wilson p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]