PipeChat Digest #824 - Monday, May 3, 1999
 
Re: Estey cash-register console.
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: looking for...........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: The organ: King of Instruments...
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Estey cash-register console.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
I WANT TO BUY ORGAN PARTS!!!!!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination?
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination?
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
King of Instruments
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
more on consoles, etc.
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Music of Gaston Dethier
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: organists' longevity
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Estey cash-register console. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:09:59 -0400 (EDT)       >There was a large 4 manual Estey in New > York City with lighted buttons. Halfway > through a cocktail party, a high up in > Aeolian-Skinner told me that they were > putting a new organ in that church. Every time > they went to measure, or visit the site, they > always left after setting the general pistons to > spell out 4 letter words. Oh! How utterly disgusting!!! Imagine.....   BBBWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If a dog will not come to you after he has looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience. --Woodrow Wilson    
(back) Subject: Re: looking for........... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:17:53 -0400 (EDT)   It would seem to be logical to ask Diane Bish. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: The organ: King of Instruments... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT)   Richard, why are you climbing back into your hole? You have offered salient points. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:42:35 -0400 (EDT)   Good point Rick, about visually impaired organists. I say, on fear of being attacked by cyber tomatos, that I enjoyed playing on Rodgers consoles with their lighted stops. My only wish was that you could push the stop both for on and off, but that was just my opinion. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Estey cash-register console. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:47:59 -0400 (EDT)   John, let's hope those words were "love," and "hope." --Neil    
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:00:12 -0500   Yes Neil, I sold Rodgers back in the 70s. Their lighted door-knob consoles were indeed a novelty, but it's a case of already ' been there, done that '.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.     Good point Rick, about visually impaired organists. I say, on fear of being attacked by cyber tomatos, that I enjoyed playing on Rodgers consoles with their lighted stops. My only wish was that you could push the stop both for on and off, but that was just my opinion. --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: I WANT TO BUY ORGAN PARTS!!!!! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 21:44:43 -0500   Teenage organist/Wicks owner in the market for the following things: (in order of urgency)   1) 16' reed bass unit (a.k.a. "reed organ bass") for a small Wicks stock organ. Cheap; plug and play condition. Organ on 4" static, 3.5" regulated. 12v from console switching. Double wired to Bourdon 16' console switch contacts. (Outgrowing my real Bourdon 16'; needs a little "boost".) Prefer a 12 or 13 note unit. 2) 49 note one rank chest for my string celeste (currently in storage); operating DE or EP, plug and play condition, 12v from console switching. Will be double-wired to existing string contacts, w/reversible piston&setterboard for "celeste off" operation; to be connected by hired organbuilder. 3) 4' pedal principal on chest, plug and play, 3.5", 12v, 32 notes on pedalboard. If chest is two pedal ranks, I will be interested in an 8' bass flute unified (or not) to create a 4' pedal flute as well. I would need the appropriate flute and/or princial pipes. 4) Electronic unit pedal flute 16'-4' (32 note/per pitch) w/speaker(s), cheap, near plug and play cond., activated from pipe relay in console, 12v.   Also, I need a decent "throw away" priced electronic organ for movement to a college dorm in just over 1 year. Classical or theatre, as long as two (2) 61 note manuals and 30 or 32 pedals. My literature prohibits 25 pedal organs.   Offers please mail private...I can arrange shipping for small windchest and/or pipes. I am in central Alabama, can drive anywhere within 900 or 1000 mile radius after mid-May.   Thank you,   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination? From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:13:47 -0700   The AGO console standards came out of the dawn of the electro-pneumatic era ... weren't they written in the '30s? They did give a measure of uniformity to the bomber cockpits of the day, but haven't some of the advances in organ-building brought us to a place where they could/should be re-examined?   Point: a reputable organ-builder asserted recently that "flat pedal-boards are coming back in this country". OK, fine; I grew up on one; no problem. But to what standard are these flat pedal-boards to be built?   Point: the same builder asserted that "flat pedal-boards are more evenly responsive in tracker-action organs". OK, fine. Why?   And are we talking STRAIGHT flat, or RADIATING flat? Radiating flat is comfortable enough; straight flat makes the extreme high and low notes harder to reach, particularly for somebody like me with short, stubby legs (grin).   I have to say that I'm opposed to 30-note pedal-boards and 58 or 56-note manuals ... the American standard of 32-note pedal-boards and 61-note manuals has been established long enough that a fair amount of literature calls for it. Even if one isn't going to PERFORM the Dupre g minor Prelude and Fugue on a small tracker, one should be able to PRACTICE it; ditto Sowerby's "Fast and Sinister", etc. etc. etc. And besides, in the case of the manuals, that's the CHEAP end of the keyboard; even if it isn't used more than 1% of the time (another assertion), it should be there. It also needs to be there so one can play 16' stops up an octave for solos, etc., an important point in small organs with limited resources.   Comments?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 23:26:08 -0400 (EDT)   Oh sure, Rick, I agree with you. And to think that someone did it before Rodgers!! It just goes to show that organ builders are really remarkable folks. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination? From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:45:31 -0500   You're right on target, Bud!   I agree that it's time to re-evaluate some standards, if for no other reason to standardize some of the many options currently available (does that sound stupid or what?). I mean, I prefer the AGO standard 32-note concave pedals and 61-note manuals, but there are other preferences by other organists - I just think it would be ludicrous to get back to the point where every builder has a different standard than any other builder...we have MACs and PCs, don't we? And we somehow manage to communicate rather well. But if every all the computer manufacturers used incompatible hardware, we'd be in the dumper (in fact, we sometimes are, even with these two mainline computer systems).   No flat pedals, straight or radiating, for me - but I'm happy that they're available for whoever likes them. The flat pedals on the first organ I had lessons on were so close together that my big feet consistently played two notes at a time - so I got to take lessons at a local church (with an AGO console)...it made all the difference!   Rod Murrow   Bud/burgie wrote:   > The AGO console standards came out of the dawn of the electro-pneumatic > era ... weren't they written in the '30s? They did give a measure of > uniformity to the bomber cockpits of the day, but haven't some of the > advances in organ-building brought us to a place where they could/should > be re-examined? > > Point: a reputable organ-builder asserted recently that "flat > pedal-boards are coming back in this country". OK, fine; I grew up on > one; no problem. But to what standard are these flat pedal-boards to be > built? > > Point: the same builder asserted that "flat pedal-boards are more evenly > responsive in tracker-action organs". OK, fine. Why? > > And are we talking STRAIGHT flat, or RADIATING flat? Radiating flat is > comfortable enough; straight flat makes the extreme high and low notes > harder to reach, particularly for somebody like me with short, stubby > legs (grin). > > I have to say that I'm opposed to 30-note pedal-boards and 58 or > 56-note manuals ... the American standard of 32-note pedal-boards and > 61-note manuals has been established long enough that a fair amount of > literature calls for it. Even if one isn't going to PERFORM the Dupre g > minor Prelude and Fugue on a small tracker, one should be able to > PRACTICE it; ditto Sowerby's "Fast and Sinister", etc. etc. etc. And > besides, in the case of the manuals, that's the CHEAP end of the > keyboard; even if it isn't used more than 1% of the time (another > assertion), it should be there. It also needs to be there so one can > play 16' stops up an octave for solos, etc., an important point in small > organs with limited resources. > > Comments? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: King of Instruments From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 22:12:59 -0500   On imitating orchestral instruments, ( it is my feeling that ) only the theatre organ was qualified to hold down that office. In the sense that the organ was dubbed +ACI-king of instruments+ACI- was perhaps due to size (but not always), versatility (in some cases), volume (there are/were some wheezers out there), or for the sheer sound of it in a reverberant stone cathedral. But who knows (???) I still like it +ACEAIQAh-   Rick V. dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: more on consoles, etc. From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:49:45 -0700   Here are some more thoughts:   Stop arrangement: the English configuration (I believe) is Pedal, Choir, Great, Swell, Solo (from left to right on a drawknob console) ... that would seem more logical, perhaps switching it to Pedal, Great, Choir, Swell, Solo in organs where the Great is permanently on the bottom manual (something else that I find more logical, particularly for playing French music).   And the arrangement of stops: I read a page from top to bottom ... I've always found it annoying (if logical) that stop jambs were arranged from bottom to top, with the lowest pitches on the bottom. If nothing else, one uses the 8' stops on the manuals and the 16' stops on the pedals the most ... it would be a lot easier to read them if they were at the tops of the jambs.   In one of the Riverside rebuilds (I don't know if it's true of the most recent), the choruses were arranged in vertical order: principals under principals, flutes under flutes, reeds under reeds, etc. THAT would be a BIG improvement, IMHO.   The Rieger in All Souls' Unitarian in Washington had the choruses arranged horizontally to the left of each manual on slant-boards ... strings, reeds, cornet, tremulant; flutes; principals ... the right side was taken up with the general pistons (all stops and pistons are square buttons with lighted nomenclature).   One thing that IS needed is a three-manual console that an organist/choirmaster can see OVER.   Dimensions of keys: one thing I DID discover is that shorter, narrower manual keys are a LOT easier to play ... John Brombaugh's in particular .... it also makes it possible to have the manuals set further forward, so the top keyboard is easier to reach. It also makes some of the big reaches in Franck, etc. negotiable. Weren't French keyboards narrower historically?   I rather like the various "silent" non-moving stop and combination actions ... there's nothing more distracting during Mass than a big "thunk" just before the organ plays. The only problem with most of them is that either the tabs are too small, or you can't see what's lit, depending on where the sun's coming from.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:56:16 -0700     >The organ is a Compton, and is fitted with their "luminous light touches" >instead of drawstops.   Now we have lighted drawknobs for the "quiet touch" ... I know of a large Walker 4M digital that was recently completed and the owner requested lighted drawknobs because he felt the moving stops were too loud in a smaller room. Even though they make a little noise (when you have a whole bunch coming on at once) I still like the moving stops best.   Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Music of Gaston Dethier From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:57:24 -0700   Mark,   If you are willing to make me a copy I will be happy to reimburse your costs.   Jason   ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com   >I have a photocopy of the Dethier "Variations on Adeste Fideles" which I >have played a few times. I was given the copy from an organist in >Auckland, New Zealand a few years ago. > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 23:13:03 -0700     - My only wish was that you could push >the stop both for on and off, but that was just my opinion. >--Neil > > Lighted stops (both tabs and drawknobs) on Johannus organs include this push/pull feature ... can be very handy.   Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organists' longevity From: p.wilson2@juno.com Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 04:12:31 EDT     On Sun, 2 May 1999 14:02:33 +0100 "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > >>Actually, I did. It was probably 15+ years ago. If I remember >correctly, >>the study was purely anecdotal (not controlled), and seemed to >indicate >>that classical musicians of all stripes live longer than other >musicians, >>and the population in general. Can't remember if a hypothetical >reason >>was given or not. >> >>Shalom, >>Preston Wilson >>p.wilson2@juno.com >> > >If you have it on computer, would you be willing to share it with us? > >Richard.   I wish I did. Unfortunately, it was published at a time when computers were still in the dream stage for most people. When I get the time, I'll try to research it and post whatever I come up with.   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]