PipeChat Digest #825 - Monday, May 3, 1999
 
Re: pictures...........
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
birthdays
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: organist couples
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
OSI Chest Magnets
  by <Victorgan@aol.com>
Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns.
  by "Dan Wilkinson" <dandub@gte.net>
Th odore Dubois...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Theodore Dubois...
  by <HDKarras@aol.com>
Horror story...
  by "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu>
oldies, but goodies.........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Back Again - and slightly off topic
  by "STOPS" <mail@stops.org>
oldies and goodies---part II
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
oldies and goodies--Part III
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs)
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Bish transcription
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: oldies and goodies---part II
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs)
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs, bit 'o further	chatter)
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination?
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: more on consoles, etc.
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: more on consoles, etc.
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: pictures........... From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:48:15 EDT   In a message dated 5/2/99 4:08:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   << I'm in the process of scanning some pictures of myself and some of the organs around Montreal. If anyone on the list who's been corresponding with me (you know who you are), would like to see what I look like, let me know and I'll send you a picture of myself (standing next to a certain lady). *hint hint*. =) >>     Hi Carlo!   Why don't you put your pix on a website, so we all can see you?   This is mine: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/myosotis51/page/index.htm">Vicki's Page </A>   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: birthdays From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 09:21:37 EDT   Hey all,   just thought I'd remind you that today marks the birthdays of Virgil Fox and Marcel Dupré. May their music live forever.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organist couples From: Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:30:35 -0500   Quentin and Mary Murrell Faulkner of Lincoln, NE  
(back) Subject: OSI Chest Magnets From: Victorgan@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:44:10 EDT   Anyone else interested in OSI Chest Magnets - 125 ohm, 1/4" plain port? I have another 125 or so available. They are from an OSI pitman chest that is about 8 years old that has been converted to a unit chest.   Make an offer privately to my address: Victorgan@Aol.Com    
(back) Subject: Re: Thalben-Ball's Pagan. Vrtns. From: Dan Wilkinson <dandub@gte.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 06:44:09 -0700   Well,   I for one enjoy the moving stop tabs on my Allen. I have a 317 and have = played theatre organs without moving stop actions. It just wasn't as much fun..= ....and with the "blind capture" combination actions, it's hard to visualize the = stop patterns. My 317 makes a little bit of noise when you use a BIG combinat= ion, but not enough to be annoying. There are Theatre pipe organs here in Sou= thern California that have combination actions that are incredibly loud even in= a big auditorium.   Allen also has a line of classical organs with lights, the Proteg=E9 seri= es. It has little lamps at the top of the stoptabs to indicate when a stop is dr= awn. The Proteg=E9 series was created to reduce cost, not noise. The Proteg=E9= s come in sizes from a small 2 manual all the way up to a good sized 4 manual organ= and the reason was to remove the cost of the moving stop action from the pric= e of the organ. The rest of the organ from the case to the sound production equipment is the same as the Master Design Series with the moving stoptab= or drawknob combination action.   Dan   Jason McGuire wrote:   > >The organ is a Compton, and is fitted with their "luminous light touch= es" > >instead of drawstops. > > Now we have lighted drawknobs for the "quiet touch" ... I know of a lar= ge > Walker 4M digital that was recently completed and the owner requested > lighted drawknobs because he felt the moving stops were too loud in a > smaller room. Even though they make a little noise (when you have a who= le > bunch coming on at once) I still like the moving stops best. > > Jason    
(back) Subject: Théodore Dubois... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:14:37 EDT   Hey all,   I have a book called "The Organ Player". It's published by Theodore Presser in 1896 and edited by Preston Ware Orem (what an odd last lame). Anyway, in it there a piece called "Fanfare" by Dubois. I noticed that there's no opus number on it and I can't find it in any list of his compositions for organ. Was this piece originally written for another instrument? Does anyone have the opus number for it? I have many other really really old books, most of which are dated before 1900. I'm going to be putting a list together of the pieces in them in the event that anyone on the list would like copies of these "gems". 99% of these pieces have been off the face of the world for more than 90 years. They were given to me about 2 years ago from a nun who was an organist. She played at a motherhouse here in Montreal during the 1940s, and they were given to her by another nun who played before her. The oldest book is dated 1870. YIKES!!! The pages are practically falling apart. When I do play pieces from these books, I play from copies so the originals don't get ripped when I turn the pages. Anyway, if anyone can get back to me concerning the Dubois fanfare, I'd appreciate it.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Th=E9odore=20Dubois...?= From: HDKarras@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:31:36 EDT   Dear Carlo, please give me Informations if you found somthings about this piece, and can you send me please a copy of that. Because, we record since couple years the complete work of Dubois at the Madeleine Church in Paris and i need al things about his work, that we not forget one. And i never heard about this piece. The Dupre i will send you tomorrow and i give you a copy of my scottish suite, maybe you can perform it sometimes. Cheers, Hans  
(back) Subject: Horror story... From: "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:20:04 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE9556.E4C51580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi list!   I just thought I'd share an organ horror story with some good = turnouts...=20   I went to church to practice on Tuesday night after some heavy rain = around here. (Chicago) I heard a nice little drip from the Swell = Chamber. I crawled up there to find no water that I could see but a HUGE = bubble in the ceiling of plaster. The whole ceiling was bubbling a = little bit. Everything worked. I told my boss (Director of music and = Organist) and said it would be checkd out. I got to church on Thursday = for choir to find an enormous cipher. It took my boss and I about 15 = minutes to find all that was ciphering. The grand total was 25 pipes at = the time in the oboe, trumpet, principal, gemshorn, and mixture. There = was plaster and corrosion on the bottom of some of the pipes and the = boots of the reeds. We were both mortified. Our organ maintainer said = that he wouldn't touch it till the roof was fixed and the problem was = solved. Then he'd go in and fix the chest and clean all the pipes in = both the swell and choir.   We're blessed with a senior pastor that understands music. I got to = church on Sunday at about the same time he did. He was in the church = when I turned on the organ and heard yet another pipe ciphering. (Grand = total 26) this one was an oboe. =3D) The lesson and sermon for the day = was perfect because he was focusing on reaping what you sew. He brought = into his sermon the organ, the problems we're hacing, and how I had to = reregister one of the anthems because of the problems. (Faure - Cantique = de Jean Racine/Hal Hopson Psalm 84) It was great to see him supportive.   So often in churches, pastors are not supportive of the music program = and would just assume use a piano. I feel blessed to be in a place where = the entire staff backs the program. We've had several offers from = congregation members to help remedy the problem. A good part of it is = that the insurance will take the brunt of it.   Just thought it would be good to relay a negative story with a positive = outcome. =3D)   Pax, Jason     Jason Klein Organ Performance Major - Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois Associate Organist - First Presbyterian Church, Arlington Heights, = Illinois=20   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE9556.E4C51580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hi list!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I just thought I'd share an organ = horror story=20 with some good turnouts... </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I went to church to practice on = Tuesday night=20 after some heavy rain around here. (Chicago) I heard a nice little drip = from the=20 Swell Chamber. I crawled up there to find no water that I could see but = a HUGE=20 bubble in the ceiling of plaster. The whole ceiling was bubbling a = little bit.=20 Everything worked. I told my boss (Director of music and Organist) and = said it=20 would be checkd out. I got to church on Thursday for choir to find an = enormous=20 cipher. It took my boss and I about 15 minutes to find all that was = ciphering.=20 The grand total was 25 pipes at the time in the oboe, trumpet, = principal,=20 gemshorn, and mixture. There was plaster and corrosion on the bottom of = some of=20 the pipes and the boots of the reeds. We were both mortified. Our organ=20 maintainer said that he wouldn't touch it till the roof was fixed and = the=20 problem was solved. Then he'd go in and fix the chest and clean all the = pipes in=20 both the swell and choir.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>We're blessed with a senior pastor = that=20 understands music. I got to church on Sunday at about the same time he = did. He=20 was in the church when I turned on the organ and heard yet another pipe=20 ciphering. (Grand total 26) this one was an oboe. =3D) The lesson and = sermon for=20 the day was perfect because he was focusing on reaping what you sew. He = brought=20 into his sermon the organ, the problems we're hacing, and how I had to=20 reregister one of the anthems because of the problems. (Faure - Cantique = de Jean=20 Racine/Hal Hopson Psalm 84) It was great to see him = supportive.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>So often in churches, pastors are = not supportive=20 of the music program and would just assume use a piano. I feel blessed = to be in=20 a place where the entire staff backs the program. We've had several = offers from=20 congregation members to help remedy the problem. A good part of it is = that the=20 insurance will take the brunt of it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just thought it would be good to = relay a=20 negative story with a positive outcome. =3D)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Pax,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jason</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Jason Klein</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Organ Performance Major - = Northwestern=20 University, Evanston, Illinois</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Associate Organist - First = Presbyterian Church,=20 Arlington Heights, Illinois&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE9556.E4C51580--    
(back) Subject: oldies, but goodies......... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:29:57 EDT   Hey all,   here's apartial list of the "gems" I have. If there's anything that you'd like, e-mail me privately with your home address.   Slavonic Cradle Song......Neruda The Bridal Train.....Graham Moore The Golden Wedding.....Gabriel-Marie Hymn of Nuns.....Lefébure-Wély Cantilena.....Salomé Marche Romaine.....Gounod Berceuse in A.....Delbrück Fanfare.....Dubois Melody in F.....Rubinstein Romance......Zitterbart Entrancing Dream.....Gaston de Lille Song Without Words.....Thome Canzone.....Harris Shepherd's Pipes.....Harris The Pilgrim's Song of Hope.....Batiste Serenade.....Gounod Marche Pontificale.....Lemmens Grand Processional March (Queen of Sheba)...Gounod Coronation March.....Meyerbeer Rêve Angélique.....Rubinstein Fanfare.....Ascher Flight of the Bumble Bee......Rimsky-Korsakoff The Lost Chord.....Sullivan Humoreske.....Dvorak Les Rameaux......J. Fauré Introduction and Fugue (the great C minor Fugue....Mozart Concert Fugue in E minor.....Schubert Fantasia in C Minor.....Hesse Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue in A minor.....Thiele Postlude in the style of Bach.....Guilmant Sabbath Postlude.....Alfred Hollins   I'll be posting more titles as the days pass.   Carlo   p.s. I own my own photocopy machine...=)     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Back Again - and slightly off topic From: "STOPS" <mail@stops.org> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:34:15 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE958B.2A84EDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello all.   Having just got the PC back together again having been totally destroyed = by the Chernobyl Virus (BIOS, internal Hard Drive AND external ZIP drive = ALL destroyed), I would appreciate if anyone who emailed me since the = beginning of April would do so again - the address book has also gone) = and I had promised to add some links to sites on our STOPS website.   In case you computer boffins ask - why didn't I have a back up - I did - = on the ZIP drive!!!!!   More importantly, the information for the STOPS website (www.stops.org) = which I maintain, has also been destroyed, so I have to recreate it, not = just update it, so everyone, please bear with me if you log on to the = site, the 'latest news' is a bit out of date.   Organs are definitely easier.   Larry McGuire   ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE958B.2A84EDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hello all.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Having just got the PC back together = again=20 having been totally destroyed by the Chernobyl Virus (BIOS, internal = Hard Drive=20 AND external ZIP drive ALL destroyed), I would appreciate if anyone who = emailed=20 me since the beginning of April would do so again - the address book has = also=20 gone) and I had promised to add some links to sites on our STOPS=20 website.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In case you computer boffins ask - = why didn't I=20 have a back up - I did - on the ZIP drive!!!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>More importantly, the information = for the STOPS=20 website (<A href=3D"http://www.stops.org">www.stops.org</A>) which I = maintain, has=20 also been destroyed, so I have to recreate it, not just update it, so = everyone,=20 please bear with me if you log on to the site, the 'latest news' is a = bit out of=20 date.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Organs are definitely = easier.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Larry = McGuire</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE958B.2A84EDA0--    
(back) Subject: oldies and goodies---part II From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:51:30 EDT   Hey all,   here's more!!!!!   Danse Macabre.....Saint-Saens March of the Toys....Tchaikowsky Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy....Tchaikowsky Russian Dance....Tchaikowsky Offertory in E flat.....Dubois As Torrents in Summer.....Elgar Nocturne (Shylock Suite).....Fauré Arioso.....Marcello Psalm 19.....Marcello Psalm 18.....Marcello Triumphal March.....Handel Tollite Hostias.....Saint-Saens     c.p.     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: oldies and goodies--Part III From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 12:57:40 EDT   Hey all,     Hosanna!.....Dubois An Easter Alleluia.....Bossi Pacque Fleuris.......Mailly Toccata....Mailly Finale.....Lemmens Variations de Concert.....Bonnet Ronde Francaise....Boellmann   c.p.     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs) From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:13:53 EDT   Hi Jason and list,,,,, good story Jason,,,,glad everything worked out allright. From an "ole time" maintainer/ repairmans viewpoint,,,you didnt have much of a problem at all,,,but if one has love of the instrument and what it does,,ANY small discrepancy can turn into a real can of worms without hardly any trouble,,,<G> I am glad for you,,,your church ,,and the organ, that the problem could be taken care of initially,,and hopefully will be repaired permanently a bit down the road. Pipe organs and water do not get along. In the theatre organ group that I belong to---one very vocal member that purports to be an "expert" advocates throwing a bucket of water into the intake of the blower at periodic intervals to ensure "humidification" of the chests. MAYBE! BUT----not on anything that I maintain!   Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Bish transcription From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:17:02 EDT   Hey all,   I have an original transcription of Bach's orchestral suite No 3 in D Major by Diane. She transcribed the Gavotte I, Gavotte II and the Bourée. It appears on her recording "The Joy of Bach". I'm not offering it to anyone because it was never published by Diane and I don't want to violate the trust she's placed in me. If anyone wants to see, I'd be willing to scan the first page. In my eyes, a hand-written manuscript is priceless, especially one by Diane Bish.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: oldies and goodies---part II From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:26:33 -0700   Carlo,   A few more possibilities?     >Offertory in E flat.....Dubois >As Torrents in Summer.....Elgar >Nocturne (Shylock Suite).....Faur=E9 >Arioso.....Marcello >Triumphal March.....Handel >Tollite Hostias.....Saint-Saens > > Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs) From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:14:12 -0500   Hey Roc,   Suggest that he stick his head in the bucket first and count to a thousand SLOWLY..   jch :-)   organs and water do not get along. >In the theatre organ group that I belong to---one very vocal member that >purports to be an "expert" advocates throwing a bucket of water into the >intake of the blower at periodic intervals to ensure "humidification" of the >chests. MAYBE! BUT----not on anything that I maintain! > >Regards, >---Roc > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Horror story...(water damage to pipe organs, bit 'o further chatter) From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:27:46 EDT   HiYa Jon! GREAT idea <G> guess theres no way to suggest that "diplomatically" hehehehehh Oh well, gotta be my usually "non-correct" self. <G>   Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: consoles and compasses -- time for a re-examination? From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:46:43 +0100   >You're right on target, Bud! > >I agree that it's time to re-evaluate some standards, if for no other reason >to standardize some of the many options currently available (does that sound >stupid or what?). I mean, I prefer the AGO standard 32-note concave pedals >and 61-note manuals, but there are other preferences by other organists - I >just think it would be ludicrous to get back to the point where every >builder has a different standard than any other builder...we have MACs and >PCs, don't we? And we somehow manage to communicate rather well. But if >every all the computer manufacturers used incompatible hardware, we'd be in >the dumper (in fact, we sometimes are, even with these two mainline computer >systems). > >No flat pedals, straight or radiating, for me - but I'm happy that they're >available for whoever likes them. The flat pedals on the first organ I had >lessons on were so close together that my big feet consistently played two >notes at a time - so I got to take lessons at a local church (with an AGO >console)...it made all the difference! > >Rod Murrow > >Bud/burgie wrote: > >> The AGO console standards came out of the dawn of the electro-pneumatic >> era ... weren't they written in the '30s? They did give a measure of >> uniformity to the bomber cockpits of the day, but haven't some of the >> advances in organ-building brought us to a place where they could/should >> be re-examined? >> >> Point: a reputable organ-builder asserted recently that "flat >> pedal-boards are coming back in this country". OK, fine; I grew up on >> one; no problem. But to what standard are these flat pedal-boards to be >> built? >> >> Point: the same builder asserted that "flat pedal-boards are more evenly >> responsive in tracker-action organs". OK, fine. Why? >> >> And are we talking STRAIGHT flat, or RADIATING flat? Radiating flat is >> comfortable enough; straight flat makes the extreme high and low notes >> harder to reach, particularly for somebody like me with short, stubby >> legs (grin). >> >> I have to say that I'm opposed to 30-note pedal-boards and 58 or >> 56-note manuals ... the American standard of 32-note pedal-boards and >> 61-note manuals has been established long enough that a fair amount of >> literature calls for it. Even if one isn't going to PERFORM the Dupre g >> minor Prelude and Fugue on a small tracker, one should be able to >> PRACTICE it; ditto Sowerby's "Fast and Sinister", etc. etc. etc. And >> besides, in the case of the manuals, that's the CHEAP end of the >> keyboard; even if it isn't used more than 1% of the time (another >> assertion), it should be there. It also needs to be there so one can >> play 16' stops up an octave for solos, etc., an important point in small >> organs with limited resources. >> >> Comments? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bud >>     I heard a very funny story today. It was about when John Scott of St Paul's came to play a recital at my church about 20 years ago (before I was born). The organ was a strange thing, but the organists, who were good friends with him really put the wind up him! They told him that the pedal board was convex - not concave!!! And that the pistons were in really weird places - he panicked!!! On the subject of him, I also recently heard a story about the only time he ever made a mistake in a piece!! It was at the very first Oundle Organ Festival - the opening concert and he was playing Poulenc's Organ Concerto. He went to press a toe piston and slipped and hit about 3 pedals!!! Apparently he was livid!   Richard. =========================================================   This message was sent to you by Richard Pinel. rpinel@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk   "I want some Chinese food", said Tom wantonly    
(back) Subject: Re: more on consoles, etc. From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:59:51 +0100   >Here are some more thoughts: > >Stop arrangement: the English configuration (I believe) is Pedal, Choir, >Great, Swell, Solo (from left to right on a drawknob console) ... that >would seem more logical, perhaps switching it to Pedal, Great, Choir, >Swell, Solo in organs where the Great is permanently on the bottom >manual (something else that I find more logical, particularly for >playing French music). > >And the arrangement of stops: I read a page from top to bottom ... I've >always found it annoying (if logical) that stop jambs were arranged from >bottom to top, with the lowest pitches on the bottom. If nothing else, >one uses the 8' stops on the manuals and the 16' stops on the pedals the >most ... it would be a lot easier to read them if they were at the tops >of the jambs. >     I think that you may be slightly mistaken (forgive me if I'm wrong!!). In my experience it goes (from left to right!): Swell, Pedal, Solo, Choir, Great. On this size instrument there would be 5 groups of stops, which is obviously uneven. Therefore a group of couplers is often found. The common English pitch layout is (from bottom to top): 32' Flues, 16' Flues, 8' Flues, 4' Flues, (2' Flues), 32' Reeds, 16' Reeds, 8' Reeds, (4' Reeds).   I prefer this - but only because I'm used to it. On the 3 manual organ at my church, the stops are (left to right): Swell, Choir <= Manuals => Pedal Great. On the 2 manual it is: Swell with couplers underneath <= Manuals => Great with pedal underneath.   Richard. =========================================================   This message was sent to you by Richard Pinel. rpinel@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk   Please God, give me patience - but HURRY!    
(back) Subject: Re: more on consoles, etc. From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:46:44 -0700   The way I prefer to have the stops arranged is:   Left side, L-R: Pedal, Swell, (Solo if there is one or maybe Bombarde) Right side, L-R: (Solo or Bombarde, if there is one), Great, Choir (or Positiv/Positif)   Of course, the more divisions the more options for layout. I also like the 16' flues at the bottom, followed by the 8's, then 4's and so on, with reeds above that in the same configuration. That way, from organ to organ, I know exactly where to find things. I'm not sure, but it seems to me that Aeolian-Skinner (even E. M. Skinner most of the time) arranged them this way. Does anyone have a different experience?   Jason   ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com