PipeChat Digest #838 - Friday, May 7, 1999
 
Re: Rodgers organs + Leslie speakers
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: afflictions
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Bach G Minor "Little Fugue"
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: Louis Vierne....
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Fw: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: hooded phallic organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: carpal tunnel syndrome
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
Re: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Carpal Tunnel
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Fw: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Fw: 3-manual vs 4-manual
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Stop Noise
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: carpal tunnel syndrome
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Fw: trompette en chamade...
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: when a pipe organ component fails
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Schweitzer's Bach Interpretation
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Sagging Languids
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Fw: hooded phallic organ
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: Rodgers organs + Leslie speakers
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
birthdays..
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
RE: carpal tunnel syndrome
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
[musiclassical] 7 MAY (fwd)
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: carpal tunnel syndrome
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Re: carpal tunnel syndrome
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers organs + Leslie speakers From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 03:31:04 -0700   At 02:23 AM 5/7/1999 EDT, Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   >Can you imagine how a Rodgers would sound with the Leslies on full? *hehe*   Uhhhh...welllll. It would make it sound probably like a Gulbransen! LOL!   DeserTboB    
(back) Subject: Re: afflictions From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 06:36:32 -0500   My college teacher was a fine organist - she developed carpal-tunnel during her year of residency in the organ program at Univ. of Colorado, Boulder - she gave up organ playing not very long thereafter. A sad loss - she was a fine musician and an outstanding organist.   Rod Murrow   VEAGUE wrote:   > Hi Listers... I had a violinist- friend ask me if organists or pianists > ever suffered from the Carpel- Tunnel Syndrome. I told him I've not heard of > anyone that did.    
(back) Subject: Re: when a pipe organ component fails From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 06:37:58 -0500   bruce cornely wrote: > > I have been living with sagging languids for the past year and a half, > and have just moved to a new position with a new set of sagging languids > (same vintage Moller 1979-82). The metal sags from its own weight and > the speech of the pipe is adversely effected, becoming sluggish and > finally nil. It is no fun!   Electrolytic zinc from the 1960's to 1980's is particularly prone to sagging languids. Older zinc pipes were made of zinc which contained more impurities and was less prone to sagging. A good tuner ought routinely to get the sagged languids in the basses back on speech on every tuning visit, although I have known some organs where even this isn't good enough. If your tuner is amenable to this you can learn to raise them yourself using a suitable stiff rod, inserting it through the toe-hole and pushing the languid up evenly all over. You have to be careful to do it evenly and not to distort the languid. Under no circumstances should you ever insert anything through the mouth and attempt to prise the languid that way. If you are prepared to spend the money you can get them sent away and get them strengthened, or in some cases even replace the pipes.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach G Minor "Little Fugue" From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:50:13 -0500   At 09:32 PM 5/6/99 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I could find the music for Bach's G minor Fugue" >("Little Fugue")? Years ago I had it, but cannot find it now. That piece >fascinates me for some reason. Also does anyone know why it is called the >"Little Fugue"? Look in the Dover volume titled "Toccatas, Passacaglias, Fantasias, and Fugues" (or some variant of that order, I don't have the volume in front of me right now). The appellation "Little" seems to me to distinguish it from it's bigger brothers--the "Great" G Minor Fantasia and Fugue as well as the lesser known, or "Mediocre", G Minor Prelude and Fugue, BWV 535. The fascination might simply be a reflection of its popularity. It's not a particularly long or massive fugue like St. Anne, and it was arranged and popularized by the Canadian Brass...incidentally, that was the first time I ever heard this work played!   Robert Horton - DMA Student, University of Kansas 1603 West 15th St. #207A, Lawrence, KS 66044 http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "I'm currently out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message."  
(back) Subject: Re: Louis Vierne.... From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:52:03 -0500   At 09:55 PM 5/6/99 +0000, you wrote: >In my spoken program notes before I play Vierne, I tell them that he died >right after vespers by collapsing on all 4 keyboards with full organ >sounding. What a way for an organist to go (grin).   Not a pleasant thing to keep in the back of the head when getting up to play on Sunday mornings...BTW, according to Durufle who was standing there at the time, it was only a single pedal note that he hit, but it was definitely loud!   Robert Horton - DMA Student, University of Kansas 1603 West 15th St. #207A, Lawrence, KS 66044 http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt."  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 07:44:00 -0500   VEAGUE wrote: >=20 > Bruce... Have you tried a support bra for those sagging languids??   You use those for the sagging Br=FCstwerk.   John Speller.  
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:47:51 -0500   Would a 32-foot metal Principle take a C or D cup??   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 1:01 AM Subject: Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails     Rick, your humorous post to Bruce should spark some ingenuity in the minds of organ builders. Isn't there someway to bolster the egos of those dear old languids? --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: hooded phallic organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:55:59 -0500   Very tempting to respond, but I'll behave myself- hehe.   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: Steskinner@aol.com <Steskinner@aol.com> To: dutchorgan@svs.net <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: hooded phallic organ     >In a message dated 5/6/99 11:33:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > ><< Would that Phallic Trumpet be hooded by any chance?>> > >Rick; > >If it is, wouldn't that give the appearance of it being longer that it really >is? And when it rose to the occasion, would it have to be re-tuned? > >Steve      
(back) Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:56:02 -0400 (EDT)   On Fri, 7 May 1999, N Brown wrote: > But, friends, no one EVER had carpal tunnel syndrome, OR tendinitis, > when we were still typing on typewriters!! > I have a middle school computer science teacher in my choir who > brought this to my attention. He refuses to buy ergonomic keyboards for > his classes.   He's right, but he's wrong. The (likely) reason nobody got CTS with typewriters is because 1) manual typewriters require more physical strength 2) the keys have a physical resistance to them which pads the hit 3) you had to stop to do a carriage return at the end of each line 4) you had to stop to replace the paper after each page   Ergonomic keyboards are good, but not the way they are commonly used. Keyboards should be tipped *away* from you, not towards you. The should be angled out to the left and right, but that angle differs depending on where you sit.   One of my biggest problems with my CTS was the backspace key. I type fast, and more often than I'd like I make errors. Having to twist my right wrist to the side to strike the backspace key gets painful.   I bought a Lexmark (IBM) Selectease keyboard, which may or may not still be available. It was physically split in two, so that I could adjust the outward angle. It had two space bars, either one of which could be designated the backspace key. And, it was an IBM, so it had a very hard key click with strong springs. It made a big difference.   The other thing that made a difference was switching from practicing on a non-weighted, synth style music keyboard to a weighted, piano action keyboard. The shock of hitting non-weighted keys (either computer or musical) can cause damage.   My CTS has all but disappeared at this point because of these two changes I made. Oh, I also learned the Dvorak keyboard layout, on which I seem to make fewer errors than with the older QWERTY keyboard layout.   -Adam      
(back) Subject: Re: when a pipe organ component fails From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT)   My languid repair...... ????   TTHHHBBBBPPPFFFTTTT!   The new Principal was installed in March, tuned and left for final finishing. It is beautiful (from Pinchi - Italy) and will really be beautiful when regulated and finished.   george is still working on the organ before us (in Texas); it was held up by building construction I think, but my sympathy and understanding is wearing quite thin. The priest at Holy Faith now questions my judgment, tossing this in my face at each opportunity (one of the reasons I left), and I get dragged through the coals at finance committee meetings because the work is not done and the funds were committed from a previous budget yada yada yada. We are now ten months behind schedule. What is worse is that George doesn't answer mail, questions etc. So when I'm pinned down I having nothing to tell. I've tried to be a nice guy and not pester him, but alas!   Now I'm facing the same thing at First UMC; the Great Principal barely plays, and the Octave is on its heels, as well as the Flachflote 4. Strangely, the Bordun and Rohrflote (8) seem to be immune to sagging languids -- go figure! I've had a call in to the church's-choice organ service guy -- four days without a response. Do I have bad phone-breath????   Any advice on unbearding the Principal 16 and closing the gates to get a nicer sound ?? I just found out from talking with the "consultant" that in the rebuild a very fine Pilcher style Bourdon 16 was tossed out because someone said the Swell Bourdon 16 would do just as well--NOT. I must have been really bad in my previous life to have been sentenced to following organ hacks around in this one!!!! Rosary? Rosary? where is my Rosary??   bruce (weep weep)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Carpal Tunnel From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:01:28 -0500   Thanks to all for the feedback.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net Cuckoo clocks make great wedding gifts      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT)     >Bruce... =A0 Have you tried a support bra for > those sagging languids?? >Rick V. Yes! But the congregations won't stop laughing long enough to sing the hymns!! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:10:39 -0500   Try putting a tassle on each cup.   Rick     -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: e-mail organ chat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Fw: when a pipe organ component fails       >Bruce... Have you tried a support bra for > those sagging languids?? >Rick V. Yes! But the congregations won't stop laughing long enough to sing the hymns!! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: 3-manual vs 4-manual From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:11:42 -0500   Touche', Bruce.   Rick     -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> To: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 8:05 AM Subject: Re: Fw: 3-manual vs 4-manual       >Would that Phallic Trumpet be hooded by any > chance?   No, silly, it's cut to length!!!! hehehehe   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton          
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Noise From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:13:32 -0400 (EDT)   >... I'm now becoming more and more aware of > how important "space" is in music... I have learned this primarily from playing on organs that have been allowed to remain musical instruments (thank you OHS), rather than "improved" to become perfect and instantaneously responding machines. When all obstacles are removed, the track really isn't that much fun to run, methinks! =A0   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:17:13 -0400 (EDT)   Not only resistance, but depth. Computer and electronic typewriter keys do not have enough travel, thus eliminating the cusion effect.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: trompette en chamade... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:20:00 -0400 (EDT)     >So, now we know ... only the Jewish Erzahlers > are loud! ;] Shofar as I know!! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Re: when a pipe organ component fails From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:23:35 -0400 (EDT)   Thank, John. I'm going to learn how to do this. It appears to be in my future for a while!!! ;-(   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   The best way to bet a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: Schweitzer's Bach Interpretation From: MickBerg@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:50:35 EDT   I posted this some time ago and got no replies. So I'll post it again! How does Albert Schweitzer bring out the chorale melody so well in his wonderful old (1936) recording of Orgelbuchlein #13 "Christum wir sollen loben schon"? It seems that he must be playing the melody on a separate manual (presumably "thumbing down", which I thought was not something one would do in Bach ). Other recordings of the same piece that I have (Bernard Foccroulle; very nice, but the melody is not clear, and Marie Claire Alain's screeching version for Musical Heritage Society, no comment) fall far short of Dr. Schweitzer's interpretation, in my opinion. Can any of you real organists out there tell me how this piece should be played? Thanks, Mick Berg.  
(back) Subject: Sagging Languids From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:55:30 -0700   On Fri, 7 May 1999 02:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Neil Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> wrote: > Rick, your humorous post to Bruce should spark some ingenuity in the > minds of organ builders. Isn't there someway to bolster the egos of > those dear old languids?   We've done it.   There's two possibilities:   1) Take the pipe apart at the mouth and install new Languids, and re-solder.   2) Drill holes on either side of foot somewhat back from the leading edge of the Languid (so as to not interfere with the wind-flow) and Install steel rods underneath the Languids to support them, rather like the "Bra" suggestion.   The latter approach is good especially for pipes (such as 16' stops) which are so large as to not be easily removable short of tearing out the entire organ.   It's prolly good for Moller that they're no longer around to have to deal with claims that surely would be made against them by the numerous entities which received instruments exhibitiing this problem. Too badd for those entities, however. Either way: it's an expensive repair.   Even so, however, the zinc bodies of the pipes are so soft that I've often seen the tops of conical pipes "wilting" from nothing more than the weight of the tuning slides on them.   Faithfully,   "Arp"   Richard Schneider, President SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston Street Post Office Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpncorn@davesworld.net EMAIL (Note change in ISP's Domain-Name!)      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: hooded phallic organ From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:05:27 -0400   I agree, this is very tough to pass up.   VEAGUE wrote:   > Very tempting to respond, but I'll behave myself- hehe. > > Rick V. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steskinner@aol.com <Steskinner@aol.com> > To: dutchorgan@svs.net <dutchorgan@svs.net> > Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 7:31 AM > Subject: hooded phallic organ > > >In a message dated 5/6/99 11:33:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > > > ><< Would that Phallic Trumpet be hooded by any chance?>> > > > >Rick; > > > >If it is, wouldn't that give the appearance of it being longer that it > really > >is? And when it rose to the occasion, would it have to be re-tuned? > > > >Steve > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers organs + Leslie speakers From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:07:28 -0400   Might be worth trying you have very little to lose. If you don't like it sell it.   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > greetings, > > Now, before anyone cringes at the thought of it, let me > explain. A friend of mine is selling his Hammond and buying an Rodgers. He > offered to sell me one of his Leslie tone-cabinets. Because they're so hard > to find and worth a lot, I might take him up on his offer. He wants 50$ for > it, which is a steal. I was wondering how my organ would sound connected to > it, then I quickly got that crazy idea out of my head. It is tempting, but > there's no way I'm going to play Bach fugues alla 'gospel/blues' style. Can > you imagine how a Rodgers would sound with the Leslies on full? *hehe* > > Carlo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: birthdays.. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:58:36 EDT   greetings,   birthdays wishes go out today to Johann Brahms and Peter I. Tchaikowsky. (I always spell his name wrong)!!   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: RE: carpal tunnel syndrome From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:06:57 -0700   > But, friends, no one EVER had carpal tunnel syndrome, OR tendinitis, > when we were still typing on typewriters!!   Never thought of it, but this may be correct, however . . .   10-20 years ago, no one ever had Alzeheimer's either. But there were a host of other conditions, lumped under various forms of senility, that sure LOOKED like Alzeheimer's. So now we have Alzeheimers. Perhaps in your teacher's day, CPS hadn't been defined as such.   As to ergonomic keyboards, I'm using one now. A couple years ago I had CPS in both wrists, with pain all the way up to my shoulders. I switched to one of the funny looking keyboards, and haven't had a problem since. I don't type any less -- the keyboards really make a difference.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: [musiclassical] 7 MAY (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:53:43 -0700 (MST)   The group above gets these. Of continuing interest to PipeChat? If so I'll forward them.   Classical Music Almanac 7 MAY   1704 Birth of German composer Carl Heinrich GRAUN in Saxony. d- Berlin, 1759 1746 Birth of German violinist and composer, and son of Johann, Karl STAMITZ in Mannheim. d- Jena, 1801 1824 In Vienna, FP of Beethoven's 'Choral' Symphony No 9 1828 (1825?) Death of Italian composer Antonio Saliere in Vienna, age 74 1833 Birth of German composer Johannes BRAHMS in Hamburg. d- 3 APR 1897 1840 Birth of Russian composer Pyotr TCHAIKOVSKY in Votkinsk. d- 6 NOV 1893 1850 Birth of Hungarian conductor Anton SEIDL in Budapest. (Wagner assistant. 1885 Met conductor in NYC, 1891 NY Phil cond.) d-NYC, 1898 1861 Birth of Hindu poet and composer Rabindranath TAGORE, 1913 Nobel prize winner 1888 In Paris, FP of Lalo's opera 'Le Roi d'Ys' 1901 Birth of Belgian composer Marcel POOT. d- 1988 1915 Sinking of the 'Lusitania' taking the life of Irish composer O'Brien Butler Whitehall. 1927 Birth of Swedish soprano Elisabeth SODERSTROM in Stockholm 1945 Birth of composer Ann GEBUHR 1958 American pianist Van Cliburn signs contract with RCA Victor records.     === We promote Classical and New Age Music. Would you Please put us on your e-mail list. Promo CDs to: AcoustiCDigest/Radio Prod. P.O.Box 16221 Tucson AZ 85732 Acoustic & Classical Music Directories http://AcoustiCD.com CD sales at http://mycdstore.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com     ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the Star Wars craze! http://www.onelist.com Set up your Star Wars list at ONElist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ compact disc discounts comparison shopping at:http://mycdstore.com and visit the Internet Classical Music Directory index at http://acousticd.com    
(back) Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:13:07 -0400   Two questions, please, Dennis:   (1) Are you a touch typist?   (2) How long did it take you to get comfortable with the ergonomic keyboard?   I'm a very good typist, and though I've never used the ergonomic keyboards for more than a few seconds at a time in a store, I came away with the impression that it would take quite a while to get to the point where one had to stop thinking about using it.     -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: RE: carpal tunnel syndrome     >> But, friends, no one EVER had carpal tunnel syndrome, OR tendinitis, >> when we were still typing on typewriters!! > >Never thought of it, but this may be correct, however . . . > >10-20 years ago, no one ever had Alzeheimer's either. But there were a host >of other conditions, lumped under various forms of senility, that sure >LOOKED like Alzeheimer's. So now we have Alzeheimers. Perhaps in your >teacher's day, CPS hadn't been defined as such. > >As to ergonomic keyboards, I'm using one now. A couple years ago I had CPS >in both wrists, with pain all the way up to my shoulders. I switched to one >of the funny looking keyboards, and haven't had a problem since. I don't >type any less -- the keyboards really make a difference. > >Dennis Goward > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: carpal tunnel syndrome From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:31:01 -0400 (EDT)   On Fri, 7 May 1999, V. David Barton wrote: > Two questions, please, Dennis:   I brought it up too, so I thought I'd give you another data point.   > (1) Are you a touch typist?   I am. Currently, I'm a bilingual touch typist (Dvorak and QWERTY), though my QWERTY gets worse by the day.   > (2) How long did it take you to get comfortable with the ergonomic > keyboard?   I had no trouble getting used to my split keyboard, and I have no trouble switching back and forth between that and normal keyboards.   > I'm a very good typist, and though I've never used the ergonomic keyboards > for more than a few seconds at a time in a store, I came away with the > impression that it would take quite a while to get to the point where one > had to stop thinking about using it.   It's really not that difficult to get used to. The keys are in the same places under your fingers. It's just that your hands are in a slightly different (but more comfortable) position.   As I pointed out, though, regular ergonomic keyboards are not actually correctly designed. The slope *towards* your body when they should be sloping away, and the angle of separation of the halves depends on how you sit and how you hold your arms. I much prefer the completely split keyboards, but they're difficult to find and more expensive (mine was $180).   -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ "I takes whatever jobs are going." http://westnet.com/~levins/ _______/ "But the rest of 'em are six foot <*> __________________________/ tall and you're--of the shorter persuasion." -O /"I lied about my height...I'm a world-class liar." "Is that true?" "No."