PipeChat Digest #845 - Tuesday, May 11, 1999
 
church musicians' salaries...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Louis Vierne....
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
unison off indeed!
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: Stipend Survey
  by <Bill6827@aol.com>
Re: Stipend Survey
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: Louis Vierne....
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: Stipend Survey
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: church musicians' salaries...
  by "Clarity Connect" <96606351@clarityconnect.com>
where is everyone???
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: where is everyone???
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Britson Organs
  by "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: where is everyone???
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: church musicians' salaries...
  by "HORTON ROBERT CARL" <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>
Re: Stipend Survey
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Fw: supply and demand
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: ToccataFest
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Stipend Survey
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
specifications....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Stipend Survey
  by <DavisMJJ1@aol.com>
Re: The whereabouts of Barry Rose
  by <DavisMJJ1@aol.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Fw: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Fw: ToccataFest
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
clarification...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
 


(back) Subject: church musicians' salaries... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:27:39 EDT   greetings,   I've read several posts about stipends, and I'd like to let you all know how things are up here in Montreal. Unfortunately, most of the churches congregations are dwindling, so there's a lot less money coming in. If there's less money coming in, then there's less to put aside for various things such as repairs, maintanance ans salaries. Most churches don't pay what "ought" to be paid for one simple reason: they just can't afford it, plain and simple. Out of the churches that do have the funds, if their music appreciation is high, then they know what good music is and what it's worth, and they'll be willing to pay for it. At the church I work at, we're one of the lucky parishes. We have a vibrant community and one of the few parishes in the diocese that hasn't had to cut down on the masses because of falling numbers. I can't speak for all the other organists in Montreal, but I get a retaining fee every week, and that's my salary...12 months a year. Weddings and funerals are extra, sometimes. The church charges a fixed price, and that includes the use of the church, and it may or may not include a soloist and/or organist. Where I play, the church charges a certain amount and my fee is included in it. When I play in other churches (I've played in practically every church in Montreal), I've seen stipends from as low as 25$ and as high as 100$ for either a wedding or a funeral. When I take on weddings that are not in my church, I charge my usual fee. Concerts of course are a seperate subject. One of the reasons why my church is doing so well is the music program. We have a beautiful choir (2nd largest choir in Montreal), a beautiful pipe organ and a concert series that includes local and invited artists. It brings in over 50 000$ a year. People who wouldn't normally set foot inside a church WILL come in for music, and if they like what they hear, they'll come back on Sunday, and if they do, they'll put money in the collection plate. All in all, if the church es aren't paying what they should be, it's probably because they simply can't afford to. I know many priests who wished they could pay their musicians more, but aren't able to. Also, if you bring in extra money, you'll have the money when you need to get the organ tuned once a year. Anyway, that's the way of it...up here anyway.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Louis Vierne.... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:46:41 -0400 (EDT)   DesserTBoB writted: >Some say eb...some say c...he died at the > console...that's IT! FINIS! Dying at the console.... that's sort of the ultimate "cancel", or unison off!!!!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net The best way to get a puppy is to beg for a baby brother -- and they'll settle for the puppy every time. -- Winston Pendelton      
(back) Subject: unison off indeed! From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:54:58 -0500   bruce wrote:   Dying at the console.... that's sort of the ultimate "cancel", or unison   off!!!!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net **********   Way to go, bruce! Loved it!   Rod Murrow   "you must keep your sense of humor about you"    
(back) Subject: Re: Stipend Survey From: Bill6827@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:21:39 EDT   Greetings, My fee for a wedding is 150.00. I do not attend the rehearsal. However I do meet with the bride (and her mother ) one time . For funerals, each situation is different. At the funeral home I receive 45-50 from the funeral home itself. At the church it usually is 100. However I never quote a fee unless I am asked. If the family sends me considerably less, it's OK. The Lord has been so good to me so I would never complain. In 1998 I played for over 250 funerals and about 50 weddings. That's not too bad for a retiree!   Bill Hanson, DDS  
(back) Subject: Re: Stipend Survey From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:44:23 -0700   Here in Louisiana, I receive $150 - $250 for a wedding and $100 for a funeral.   Sand        
(back) Subject: Re: Louis Vierne.... From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:33 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/99 4:24:28 PM Central Daylight Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   << Some say eb...some say c...he died at the console...that's IT! FINIS! >>   Actually, I hope he didn't die while on low C... that would be a bad omen for his soul!   (tongue in cheek, of course)   John  
(back) Subject: RE: Stipend Survey From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:32:49 -0700   > complain. In 1998 I played for over 250 funerals and about 50 weddings. > That's not too bad for a retiree!   Man, where do you live? I hope you're not drinking the water!   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Re: church musicians' salaries... From: "Clarity Connect" <96606351@clarityconnect.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:43:05 -0400     >Carlo Pietroniro wrote re: church musicians' salaries...   >"We have a beautiful choir (2nd largest choir in >Montreal), a beautiful pipe organ and a concert series that includes local >and invited artists. It brings in over 50 000$ a year".   Carlo - indeed you are fortunate - this is a wonderful perk for your concert series. In our Diocese, we too have a wonderful "Concert Series" - however our Diocesan policy does not allow us to sell any tickets to any of our concerts. ("Bingo" however is a much different story). We do put out a suggested donation basket and hope we can break even. Are other Diocese around the country working in this same fashion also? Please keep those letters and experiences coming in about your wedding and funeral stipends.   My biggest gripe is in regards to the ceiling put on organists and cantors fees for weddings held in the Catholic church. Indeed I meet with the bride and groom (generally an hour session) to review Diocesan policy regarding liturgically acceptable music for their ceremony. Bottom line, I spend way too many hours preparing music packets and arrangements for the cantors and instrumentalists. I make all of the phone contacts to hire the soloists, instrumentalists and brass quartet. These fine folks simply show up and play whatever music I hand them and still take home a much bigger paycheck than I because they're independent of Diocesan policy. It sure makes me feel insignificant when I see a florist bill for over $3,000 and those four (4) new stretch limousines filling up the block in front of our church. Did I mention the reception for 300 invited guests costs $85 per plate plus $30 per person for the open bar and then I'm expected be humble and apologetic for asking more than $25 to $35 for my cantor soloist because any more would be considered "taking advantage" of a wedding situation. I simply don't remember taking an oath of poverty. By the way some priests respond to our pitiful stipend requests, I'm amazed they're not riding around in ox pulled carts instead of flaunting new Cadillacs. Come on fellow Catholics - let's be honest - what's really happening out there in your real world?   Larry      
(back) Subject: where is everyone??? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:48:00 EDT   greetings,   where is everyone today/tonight?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: where is everyone??? From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:53:23 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 10-May-99 where is everyone??? by "Carlo Pietroniro"@hotma > where is everyone today/tonight?   Gone fishin'.  
(back) Subject: Britson Organs From: "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:16:14 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE9B2A.5614FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear friends The name Britson Organworks was recently introduced to me. Since I know = nothing of what their digital organs sound like besides a CD given to = me, would some of you list-members be able to tell me more about these = organs if they have experienced them? I would appreciate any information anyone can pass on to me. Please understand that I in no way desire to create a list-wide debate = concerning digital organs. Therefore, it may be wise that any replies = be handled privately. Yours truly Mr. Vanderstad   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE9B2A.5614FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dear friends</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>The name Britson Organworks was recently introduced = to me.=20 Since I know nothing of what their digital organs sound like besides a = CD given=20 to me, would some of you list-members be able to tell me more about = these organs=20 if they have experienced them?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would appreciate any information anyone can pass = on to=20 me</FONT><FONT size=3D2>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Please understand that I in no way desire to create = a=20 list-wide debate concerning digital organs.&nbsp; Therefore, it may be = wise that=20 any replies be handled privately.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>Yours truly</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mr. Vanderstad</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BE9B2A.5614FBA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: where is everyone??? From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:25:52 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/99 7:49:18 PM Central Daylight Time, concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   << where is everyone today/tonight? >>   Well, it's round 3 or 4 for the Stanley Cup.... Which my Dallas Stars are leading :-) So if there're not watching that I guess it could be $1.00 beer night at the clubs :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: church musicians' salaries... From: HORTON ROBERT CARL <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:28:15 -0500 (CDT)   > It sure makes me > feel insignificant when I see a florist bill for over $3,000 and those four > (4) new stretch limousines filling up the block in front of our church.   Well, I'm not exactly a "fellow Catholic", but I can vouch for the fact that this is not an exclusively Roman phenomenon. As an organ scholar at Millar Chapel in Northwestern, I worked at a veritable "wedding factory". One couple really sticks out in my mind...they were worried about making sure the service went off right on time for fear of losing the non-refundable $1K DEPOSIT that they had paid to have the service videotaped...'nuff said   Rob Horton http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn    
(back) Subject: Re: Stipend Survey From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:48:58 EDT   In a message dated 5/10/99 8:18:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 96606351@mail.clarityconnect.com writes:   << I'm curious to know what the going rate is for playing weddings and funerals - specifically those organists of the Catholic faith. Additionally I'd like to know how much your cantors and vocalists are being paid for singing at funerals and weddings. Are you're prices established and enforced by a Diocesan policy or do you set the rates yourself? Our Diocesan policy stipulates a sliding scale stipend from $25 to a maximum of $50 for an organist with a B.A or M.A to play a funeral Mass. Even if you have a Ph.D. in music, you still get $50 tops! Our cantors get $25. I solicit your comments. >>     East end of Long Island, NY: $100 for weddings, $75 for funerals.   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Fw: supply and demand From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:00:49 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE +ADw-dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net+AD4- To: pipechat+AEA-pipechat.org +ADw-pipechat+AEA-pipechat.org+AD4- Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: supply and demand     +AD4-Wonderful post Rod... Our country church here in Cornfield, Indiana has +AD4-volunteer organists from the congregation-- myself included. We have no +AD4-choir, or bell-ringers, but only farmer-folk who sing off key--bless their +AD4-hearts. We've never held weddings or funerals that I know of. The old timers +AD4-remember the old tunes played on our newly installed pipe organ. The young +AD4-kids wish they were elsewhere on Sunday mornings. +AD4- +AD4-Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net +AD4-Cuckoo clocks make +AD4-great wedding gifts +AD4-      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: ToccataFest From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:04:39 -0400 (EDT)   Rick, May is it for me on toccatas. My hands and forearms are already tired. But, just 2 more to go. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Stipend Survey From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:10:52 -0400 (EDT)   Larry, sir, this is one reason I have often threatened to start an organists' union. I'm at a Meth church, but church members pay me $100, non members, $125, plus $25 for solo or instrumentalist (it could go higher if I think it necessary). This is for weddings For funerals, I normally get $100. Our soloists get $75. Several of us in Ocean County, NJ got our churches to raise our fees about 2 years ago. I think AGO has guidelines for this sort of thing. Check out their website: www.agohq.org for details on how to order it. --Neil, Barnegat, NJ USA    
(back) Subject: specifications.... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:10:58 EDT   greetings,   anyone know where I can get the specifications for the Crystal Cathedral organ and the Riverside Church organ? I've always wanted to know what stops are on these 2 behemoths. Thanks..   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:13:46 EDT   Dear Bud and List,   I know that I'm really behind on this one, but here we go.   "OK, here's one for you ... at that same seminar I keep talking about (I wish I could find the article ... Senior Moment/no filing system), one organbuilder said that a pipe organ with ANY digital augmentation (even 12 notes of a 32') was no pipe organ at all, and most of his peers seemed to agree with him."   I remember reading the article Bud. But it is interesting that the same organbuilder that made the above comment, has in fact, though, had installed digital 32' on an organ that he was the consultant for. I was amazed when I read his comments. BTW, the organ I'm referring to is quite good, and the 32's do add considerably to the instrument.   "My argument against such things is practical, rather than esthetic/theoretical ... NO digital component whatsoever that is now or will be on the face of this planet in the foreseeable future will last as long as a well-made, simple tracker pipe organ. There's no point in building an organ that will last for a couple of hundred years if the stop action (or the 32' stop) is gonna fail in 25 (or even 50) years."   Granted, it's true that a simple all-mechanical action organ will last longer than comparable electro-pneumatic or one with solid state equipment before major repairs or component replacement is necessary. I feel that longevity should not be the ultimate deciding factor as to how an instrument is going to perform. We, in the organbuilding community, do try to strive for building instruments that are going to last. But I feel that it is more important to build instruments that will allow the organ to be as expressive musically, offer as much variety as possible, and be controllable by the performer as possible. I think the industry, as a whole, has striven to make the components and raw materials as good as possible, and continue to seek improvement. But absolute immortality of anything, whether it be a human being, or a pipe organ component, it will not last forever. Therefore I feel that we should do the best job that we can to build instruments that we last, and yet offer the expressiveness and convenience that today's technology offers.   Adding digital 32's comes down to a couple of points. Economics. A basic 32' digital package, which offers several voices for about half of what one 32' octave of one stop will cost. Therefore the organist can have several 32' voices, and with the money saved, could afford another real pipe rank. Granted it's true that it will probably need some of the components replaced in X number of years, so what. Do you expect you car or your computer to be around and operational 200 years from now? I don't think so. Why place a different criteria on the organ than you would something else? The second consideration is space. On more than one occasion I have been in large buildings needing a large pipe organ to function properly for the music required, and the architect provided slightly oversized closets for the pipe organ. What then? Real 32's take up a lot of room, which you may not have. Forgo the support the organ needs to keep it real?   "But if it's a pipe organ, it will be built on some kind of historical model (probably English romantic), and I'll accept the "limitations" that will impose."   But do you think that it's fair to place these "limitations" on the next organist that comes along? After all you will not be there forever!   Just something to think about.     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.    
(back) Subject: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:20:09 EDT   .......it seems to me that if a pipe organ has any electronic/digital enhancements, wouldn't it then be considered a combination pipe/electronic organ? Rodgers has hundreds if not thousands of combination installations worldwide. An instrument that contains both wouldn't be called a "pipe" organ, but a combination "pipe/electronic"....simple enough?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Stipend Survey From: DavisMJJ1@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:32:10 EDT   In a message dated 10/05/99 13:18:55 GMT Daylight Time,=20 96606351@mail.clarityconnect.com writes:   <<=20 I'm curious to know what the going rate is for playing weddings and funerals - specifically those organists of the Catholic faith. Additionall= y I'd like to know how much your cantors and vocalists are being paid for singing at funerals and weddings. Are you're prices established and enforced by a Diocesan policy or do you set the rates yourself? Our Diocesan policy stipulates a sliding scale stipend from $25 to a maximum o= f $50 for an organist with a B.A or M.A to play a funeral Mass. Even if you have a Ph.D. in music, you still get $50 tops! Our cantors get $25. I solicit your comments. >>   Here in England we usually determine our own rates (certainly in the Catholi= c=20 Church). My fee for weddings and funerals is =A375 (approx $120) which is=20 probably about average. I am sometimes confronted by surprised looks by=20 wedding couples who think that this is extortion and ask whether I would do=20 it for less. My usual reply will be OK but I don't recommend the playing -=20 they get the message. I once met with an Iraqi catholic lady who asked me to=20 play for her son's wedding. I knew the family to be extremely wealthy and=20 this was evident by the glittering diamond necklace she wore and the designe= r=20 clothes. However, when I stated my fee, she replied: "Will you do it for=20 =A365?" to which I responded: "Madam, if you have financial difficulties I w= ill=20 gladly do it for nothing for you". Her face turned a funny sort of purple an= d=20 I think she nearly died of embarassment. I was then surprised to receive a=20 cheque for =A3100!   If they require a choir, I will ask for about =A320-=A330 per singer whilst = a=20 soloist will probably charge around =A350.   Regards Michael  
(back) Subject: Re: The whereabouts of Barry Rose From: DavisMJJ1@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:32:09 EDT   In a message dated 10/05/99 15:36:31 GMT Daylight Time, conwayb@post.queensu.ca writes:   << Does anyone know where Barry Rose is now? He was at Guildford Cathedral when I first knew of him, then later he was at St. Paul's Cathedral, London, but he moved from there. >> St Albans Cathedral I believe  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:47:54 -0400 (EDT)     >=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 But do you think that it's fair to place these > "limitations" on the next organist that comes > along? After all you will not be there forever! Absolutely. One instrument cannot be built with the probable desires and needs of future organists in mind. There is no way of knowing what future incumbents will want. If this was the case, then all organs would have to be at least 300 rks, unified, duplexed and straight, with AGO standard pedalboards that were concave, radiating, flat and straight. Each manual would have 36 to 61 or 88 keys. It is the job, responsibility and challenge of any organist coming to an instrument to conform to the instrument and use that instrument to the instruments highest potential. It is not the purpose of an organ to allow each organist who plays it to do the one thing that they have learned how to do.=A0=A0=A0=A0Each organ should be an individual work of art, designed and built as a unique entity in itself, its design and resources dictated by the needs, desires and financial resources of the parish. If a future organist does not like the instrument there are other jobs; the church will probably be happier with someone else, anyway!=A0=A0 =A0   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:55:35 EDT   HiBruce! VERY well said,,,very well indeed!   Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:04:35 EDT   I really must! answer this thread, but I have to figure out a way to do it painlessly to my predecessor, who is almost certainly a quiet listener to this list!  
(back) Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:06:24 -0400 (EDT)     >=A0 =A0 VERY well said,,,very well indeed!   Thank you (bowing)   Thaaaaaank you (bowing lower)   Thaaaaaa--WHUMP ##@^%#---nk you (hitting head on bench!!)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Fw: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:11:58 -0500   Oh oh... Someone pick Bruce up, will ya?   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 12:07 AM Subject: Re: When is a pipe organ not a pipe organ       > VERY well said,,,very well indeed!   Thank you (bowing)   Thaaaaaank you (bowing lower)   Thaaaaaa--WHUMP ##@^%#---nk you (hitting head on bench!!)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: ToccataFest From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:13:49 -0500   My goodness Neil, don't get that Carpal Tunnel thing !!!   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Fw: ToccataFest     Rick, May is it for me on toccatas. My hands and forearms are already tired. But, just 2 more to go. --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: clarification... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:24:20 EDT   greetings,   I wanna thank some of you for telling me where you live, but that's not what I meant. I was wondering where everyone was, meaning why there were so few posts coming in. Maybe the mails are slow. (e-mails, that is). I wanna also thank a fellow list member for providing me with the info about the Hazel Wright organ. Now all I'd like is the same info, but about the Riverside organ. Anyone have it??   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com