PipeChat Digest #850 - Wednesday, May 12, 1999
 
Immaculate Conception Boston concert
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Cat in the Organ!
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Twisted
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Re: crazy requests....
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding Recessional
  by "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net>
Re: playing in all the keys....
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: The Music of Henri Mulet
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: crazy requests....
  by <Bill6827@aol.com>
Fw: crazy requests....
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
a word of thanks...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Fw: crazy requests....
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Fw: Fw: ToccataFest
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: I just noticed something......
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
about that chord....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Mental  gymnastics
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Wedding Recessional
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: crazy requests....
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
an apology...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Fw: an apology...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: Fw: crazy requests....
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: crazy requests....
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: crazy requests....
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......]
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: about that chord....
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: a quick correction.....
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
chords..
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......]
  by "Roger Pariseau" <grinder@west.net>
Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......]
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: chords..
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: "Controllable by the performer"
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: Aesthetics
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Immaculate Conception Boston concert From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:31:56 EDT   This is just a reminder that this Friday is the concert at Immaculate Conception, Boston. Mr. Lahaise and myself tuned the organ this past Monday, and tomorrow (wed.) we will be tuning the reeds, and Friday we will do some touch up tuning. The organ will sound excellent for the concert. Unfortunately we have not got the Solo division going because of ciphers. Hopefully tomorrow we might be able to repair the solo so it can be used for the concert, but no promises.   E. & G. G. Hook, Opus 322, 1863 Enlarged, Hook and Hastings Opus 1959, 1902 New console by Hook and Hastings, between 1902 and 1910 Console rebuilt, pulldown action rebuilt, and slider motors releathered by Henri Lahaise and Son in the 1970s Bellows releathered 1992 by Noack Organ Co.   Specification:   GREAT: 16' Double Diapason 8' Open Diapason Forte 8' Open Diapason Mezzo 8' Viola da Gamba 8' Carabella 4' Octave 4' Harmonic Flute 3' Twelfth 2' Fifteenth III Mixture IV Mixture VII Cymbal (1902 addition) 16' Trumpet 8' Trumpet 4' Clarion     SWELL: 16' Bourdon 8' Open Diapason 8' Viol d'amour 8' Voix Celeste (1902 addition) 8' Quintaton 8' Stopped Diapason 4' Octave 4' Violina 4' Harmonic Flute 2' Flautino IV Mixture (a "Dolce" cornet) 16' Fagotto 8' Cornopean 8' Oboe 8' Vox Humana 4' Clarion Tremelo   CHOIR: 16' Contra Dolce 8' Open Diapason 8' Stopped Diapason 8' Dulciana 8' Viola 8' Melodia 4' Octave 4' Hohlpfife (wood, stopped with bored stopper handles, double mouths, 1902 addition) 4' Fugara 2' Piccolo (tapered wood) 8' Clarinet (a Bell Clarinet) Tremelo   SOLO: (1902 addition) 8' Open Diapason 8' Concert Flute 4' Harmonic Flute 8' Tuba Mirabilis 8' Orchesteral Clarinet 8' Orchesteral Oboe 4' Tuba Clarion   PEDAL: 32' Contra Bourdon (1902 addition) 16' Open Diapason 16' Violone 16' Bourdon 12' Quint Flute 8' Violincello (1902 addition) 8' Flote (1902 addition) 16' Trombone (wood) 8' Trumpet (1902 addition)   Couplers: Swell to Great 8' Swell to Great 4' Choir to Great 16' Choir to Great 8' Swell to Choir 8' Great to Pedal 8' Swell to Pedal 8' Choir to Pedal 8' Solo to Pedal 8' Pedal to Pedal 8' (octaves)     I am fairly sure this specification is accurate. If there are any corrections please feel free to correct me. I find it amazing that the organ had been taken care of my bosses family since about 1915, then was list for a few years, and now is again in the care of his family. The reason for the long history of the Lahaise company of caring for the organ is that Richard Lahaises great grandfather Erasme and his son worked for Hook and Hastings. E-mail me privately if you have any questions.   -William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Re: Cat in the Organ! From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:41:17 -0000   > Bruce wrote:- > > Um, would that be a "pontificat"???? Sounds like a wonderful > alternative to a church mouse.   >>Or would that be Pontifex Maxi-Mouse?<<   We all know it is a Magnificat.   JOHN              
(back) Subject: Re: Twisted From: Posthorn8@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:01:38 EDT   You won't know how twisted I am till I get there....hehehehe   Tim  
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:06:08 -0400 (EDT)   >they had bought an organ CD by Simon > Preston and just picked pieces from it that > they liked. Has anyone else ever had a > wedding so strange? This is becoming more and more common. The last four brides I have counseled have purchased wedding CD's and have made their selections therefrom. I think the actual intent is that the couple are to actually use the CD for the ceremonial music. This kind of stuff is very difficult to counteract since, by the time I actually talk with them, they have been listening to the CD for eight months and the "perfect sounds" are rattling around in their heads.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Recessional From: "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:34:21 -0500   anne-   Tell the bride you're not available. :) -----Original Message----- From: Don Ammerman <usna53@crosslink.net> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:49 AM Subject: Wedding Recessional     >I have a wedding scheduled for the evening of July 3rd. The bride would >like an "Independence Day Medley". Any suggestions? > >Anne Ammerman >King George, VA > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: playing in all the keys.... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:39:12 -0400 (EDT)   > Never mind that Db is (IMNSHO) the most > beautiful key in captivity.... In which temperament does this occur??   >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Here's an exercise for all the > Romans on the list, try playing the Sanctus of > the Mass of Creation in F# Minor or Ab Minor >...It's got a gorgeous sound in those keys, > doesn't it? Oh my! I certainly must try this tomorrow; I must confess I've yet to find anything approaching a "gorgeous sound" in the MartyMass o' Cremation!!   > However, could you imagine the commercial > success that Marty Haugen would have > received if he had actually tried to publish it > like that? It probably wouldn't have made much difference, since most RC musicians would just move the frets in their GITtarz!   > It would have failed overnight! hmmm..... lovely thought!!   >Since modern ears have been saturated with > keys such as D, C, and G... Which is why I like unequal temperament so much D, C, and G no longer sound alike, much less D-flat.   >"If we are what we eat... >then I'm cheap, fast, and easy." Off to the confessional, you naughty boy!!!   .....and what's my favorite food?? Well, I lived in Texas for a while.... it's , um, jerkey! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: The Music of Henri Mulet From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:49:12 EDT   In a message dated 99-05-11 10:40:42 EDT, you write:   < Anyone other than me play "Carillon-Sortie"? Carlo >>   Yes, I do...when I have the time to work it up into playable condition.     Rick M  
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Bill6827@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:00:47 EDT   Hi List,   Two of the funniest things that I have ever had to play for funerals were: Red Sails in the Sunset and Happy Trails. Last month a bride wanted the Hallelujah Chorus (handel) for the recessional. I fortunately talked her out of that one!   Bill Hanson, Dallas  
(back) Subject: Fw: crazy requests.... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:20:19 -0500   I thought the Hallelujah Chorus was reserved for the honeymoon night ?? !!!     -----Original Message----- From: Bill6827@aol.com <Bill6827@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: Bill6827@aol.com <Bill6827@aol.com> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: Re: crazy requests....     >Hi List, > >Two of the funniest things that I have ever had to play for funerals were: >Red Sails in the Sunset and Happy Trails. Last month a bride wanted the >Hallelujah Chorus (handel) for the recessional. I fortunately talked her out >of that one! > >Bill Hanson, Dallas > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: a word of thanks... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:42:48 EDT   greetings,   a very heart-felt THANK YOU to Leon and Hans for sending me the organ music I requested. Two hats off to both of you. =)   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: crazy requests.... From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:42:11 EDT   In a message dated 5/11/99 10:21:12 PM Central Daylight Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << I thought the Hallelujah Chorus was reserved for the honeymoon night ?? !!! >> Or the Funeral!!!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: ToccataFest From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:57:54 -0400 (EDT)   I hope not, Rick, so thanks just the same. I developed tendinitis in right hand several years ago working in a bank (computer all day) and it occasionally flairs up. It usually feels good after a good night's sleep. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: I just noticed something...... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:01:13 -0400 (EDT)   Carlo, sir, that is why theories are just that, theories. The Assoc of Pipe Organ Builders (or something like that) allows for electronic pedal stops such as 32s in their official statement on the subject. --Neil    
(back) Subject: about that chord.... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:20:27 EDT   ....the only reason I said that Bm7 and D6 are the same is because they both have the same notes in it: D, F#, A, B. Plain and simple. If you play them, they do sound the same. Try it and see.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Mental gymnastics From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT)   A couple of things "could" help you: First, take a short break between the pieces. This might help the brain loosen its grip on previous key Second, play the scale of the key of the new piece on the manuals a time or two, then maybe in the pedals, too. Third, I often revert back to the key signature at the start of the line--just to make sure. If this doesn't work, see how far you can go with your subconscious transposition :) . --Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Recessional From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:31:50 -0400 (EDT)   I mean absolutely no disrespect, but I find it amusing that the bride wants Independence Day music in King George, VA. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:33:04 -0400 (EDT)   The one I absolutely refused to grant was to a bride/groom who wanted "You Don't Bring Me Flowers Anymore" for their wedding. Go figure! --Neil    
(back) Subject: an apology... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:39:23 EDT   greetings fellow list members,   I'd like to express my most sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended by my nasty posts. I sometimes come off sounding like a Tuba Mirabilis when I should be sounding more like an Erzhaler Celeste. I do like to speak my mind, but it gets me into hot water. Maybe I should start wearing chocolate flavored shoes, so when I put my foot in my mouth, it won't taste so bad. (does organmaster make flavored shoes?). Anyway, I'm sorry for insulting some of you. God has indeed blessed me with talent, as he has all of you. I should use my talents for good and not rub them in people's faces.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Fw: an apology... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:43:13 -0500   Apology accepted. Carry on, Carlo.   -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> To: organchat@onelist.com <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:40 PM Subject: an apology...     >greetings fellow list members, > > I'd like to express my most sincere apologies to anyone I may >have offended by my nasty posts. I sometimes come off sounding like a Tuba >Mirabilis when I should be sounding more like an Erzhaler Celeste. I do like >to speak my mind, but it gets me into hot water. Maybe I should start >wearing chocolate flavored shoes, so when I put my foot in my mouth, it >won't taste so bad. (does organmaster make flavored shoes?). Anyway, I'm >sorry for insulting some of you. God has indeed blessed me with talent, as >he has all of you. I should use my talents for good and not rub them in >people's faces. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: Fw: crazy requests.... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:43:58 -0500   Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhh....................   -----Original Message----- From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Fw: crazy requests....     >In a message dated 5/11/99 10:21:12 PM Central Daylight Time, >dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > ><< I thought the Hallelujah Chorus was reserved for the honeymoon night ?? !!! > >> > >Or the Funeral!!! > >John > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:37:24 -0400   Oh my God! This is about the greatest story I've ever heard (on this subject) thanks so much.   Posthorn8@aol.com wrote:   > Hi Gang, > > I have posted this story before so if you have seen it, please forgive me. > Years ago I had to play "Feelings" at a funeral as an organ solo. I really > tried to keep it "churchy". When I got to the bridge the widow wailed, > screamed, hit the floor and became a contortionist of grief. (Geeze, I > thought I was a drama queen.) When I got back to the beginning she got back > into the pew as if nothing happened. Pastor's jaw was on the floor and the > more than one person had to leave the church for fear out breaking out in > laughter. > > I was going to play the song once, but when I saw what happened, I thought to > myself, "Tim, this deserves an instant replay." This time I started to add > stops as I came around to the bridge. I added the full theatre organ trems > and all the celestes and flutes the organ had...It sounded like the Mighty > Wurlitzer. Well, let me tell you, the widow did the same thing, only this > time it was worse. She was under the first pew wiggling, throwing her arms > around and yelling, "Oh My God, My God, My God," to the top of her lungs. > > You'll NEVER guess what I played when they took the casket out....(Big > grin)...the bearers were trying to carry her dear husband while she was > holding on to the back of the casket, feet dragging, and letting out the most > God awful sounds. After the funeral I thougt Pastor was going to fire me, > but he gave me an extra $50. He said it was worth the show!! > > Tim > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:49:58 -0400 (EDT)   That's a good one, Bonnie Beth. I'll be laughing for a week --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......] From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:52:19 -0400 (EDT)   O Friends, I forgot. I had to play the wedding music from "Sound of Music' for a processional once--I kid you not!! This was at the same church as the other couple I previously posted. ee gad. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: about that chord.... From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:53:58 -0500   Sorry, I still don't see it...there is no "B" in a D major chord...even with the other three notes common to both, they are by their nature completely different - different syntax, different voice leading, different everything! Rod Murrow   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > ...the only reason I said that Bm7 and D6 are the same is because they both > have the same notes in it: D, F#, A, B. Plain and simple. If you play them, > they do sound the same. Try it and see. > > Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: a quick correction..... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:58:39 -0400 (EDT)   they would be the same (inverted) if spelled bm7 and dm plus 6 (can't find plus sign in dark, sorry). wouldn't they? --Neil    
(back) Subject: chords.. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:59:30 EDT   ....am I the only one who knows what a D6 chord is? You take a D major chord and add the sixth......I've seen it written thousands of times.................   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......] From: Roger Pariseau <grinder@west.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:25:21 -0700   N Brown wrote:   > O Friends, I forgot. I had to play the wedding music from "Sound of > Music' for a processional once--I kid you not!! This was at the same > church as the other couple I previously posted.   Did you include the "Maria" bit, too? Antiphonal trumpets? ;->   -- Roger  
(back) Subject: Re: [Fwd: crazy wedding requests......] From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:28:58 -0400 (EDT)   Roger, I may have, come to think of it. But that was at least 10 years ago. P. S., I don't know where my other post on this issue went. Oh well. it will indeed fit this thread beautifully. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: chords.. From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:17:27 -0500   Sorry, D6 to me indicates D major, first inversion. OK, you're not talking about two different chords, just two of many different ways that musicians have developed of discussing music...the old "Ottman" and other theory texts use the "6" to indicate first inversion of a triad. You're likely talking about the so-called "added-sixth" chord (but you didn't say so in your original post).   RMurrow   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > ...am I the only one who knows what a D6 chord is? You take a D major chord > and add the sixth......I've seen it written thousands of > times................. > > Carlo >    
(back) Subject: Re: "Controllable by the performer" From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:38 EDT   Dear Robert and list,   "This must be a new phenomenon, because one would never know it looking at instruments of the past several decades."   OK, let me rephrase this. There are some builders that do try to strive for building instruments that are going to last.   "Define what makes an organ "controllable by the performer", if you could."   Sure. An instrument that allows for the greatest control over the resources of the instrument. Having a multilevel combination action, programmable crescendi, the full gamut of couplers, MIDI, and a sequencer/recorder.   "Paradoxically, I feel most in control when the organ has fewer accessories (e.g. super-and sub-couplers) and simple mechanical stops. This is especially true during improvisation."   I could not disagree with you more. I studied improvisation with Pierre Cochereau back in the late 70's, when some of these controls were just becoming available. Cochereau felt the same way that I do, is why limit the instrument. That is one reason that he installed the console that he did at Notre-Dame.   Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.  
(back) Subject: Re: Aesthetics From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:37 EDT   Dear Bud and list,   "Well, economic survival IS a factor among organbuilders (grin). The client probably asked; he probably swallowed hard and complied."   Well, the organbuilder that I inferred was not the organbuilder for the project, but the consultant. He recommended the Walker package, and yet said the things that he did during the lecture that he gave.   "How not? At this point, a fine PIANO lasts longer than the average electro-pneumatic organ!"   It comes back to my point of controllability.   "I disagree. For one thing, "control" of the instrument by means of anything other than keys, pedals, drawstops and the occasional ventil or machine stop, is a late 19th-century/20th century phenomenon, well AFTER most of the literature was written. And if 20th century composers don't understand the essential nature and limitations of the organ as a musical instrument, that's THEIR problem, NOT the organ-builder's."   Why should we exclude the organ and its literature to organs that were built 300 years ago? And why should we as organbuilders, build functionally limiting instruments to a standard of 300 years ago. The organ, as an instrument, has evolved over the centuries. Even Vierne said after playing an E.M. Skinner organ "If I had played organs like this one over the years, my composition style would have changed". I would interpret that to mean not only the tonal resources that Skinner produced, but the playing aids that he offered. I assume that you are tell me that organbuilding reached a peak some 100+ years ago, and that's how we should continue to build instruments? What is wrong in building a 1999 pipe organ, whatever action is has? Is it really that great a sin to have a multi level combination action?, solid state switching equipment allowing the complete gamut of coupler possibility?, or, God forbid, MIDI? I realize that each situation is unique, and not everything is going to work everywhere, but it comes back to my point about imposing limitations.   "Messiaen can be played quite handily with ventils and a stop-assistant."   True, but why build an organ that you HAVE to have a stop-assistant.   "Composers accept the "limitations" of orchestral instruments ... they KNOW not to write things the instruments can't DO."   Now you are the one comparing apples to potatoes. The organ is a unique instrument that really no 2 are alike. A violin is a violin. even though that there will be subtle differences, the violinist will be able to pick up any violin and start playing. Each violin has the same range, and a composer knows this. Really try this with an organ. As an organist, you are going to want to spend a bit of time getting to know the instruments and what works with what. And since each organ is different, how is a composer supposed to know what will work on all organs?   "The organ at Sion has been rebuilt, but it's still playing (13th century)."   OK, Sion was built and playing since 1392. I've played instruments from the 16th century. But I know that may components in Sion have been replaced over the years (with historically replicated components), but nevertheless replaced. Are you telling me that it is necessary to build organs that must remain around? Are we to build museum pieces? It would be wonderful for me to think that some of my work will be around 500 years from now, but it's not really that important? I know of late 19th century electro-pneumatic organs that have been restored as well, and are in as good a condition as the day that they were built. I'm sure that they will continue on as well for decades or centuries to come.   "Hmmm ... but the MUSIC, for the most part, doesn't require all those gadgets ..."   The key word here is "for the most part". So we should build organs "for the most part"?   "BTW, was Barker lever ever used in England, or did they jump straight from tracker to tubular pneumatic?"   The Barker lever was not a very popular invention with the English organbuilders of the time. There were a couple that did use it (names escape me at the moment), but is was Cavaille-Coll that brought it to prominence.   "First of all, we ALL know that the organbuilder should be involved in the planning of a building from DAY ONE."   Agreed, but this is not always possible.   "But I think the third point is the most telling: if these folks "need" a "big" pipe organ to carry on their music program, then they should be willing to knock out some walls, build transepts, etc. to accommodate it."   When I wrote this, I was thinking of a particular client of mine. They are "land locked" and do not have anywhere to go. The congregation, when they get going, about drowns out the organ.   "But just how big an organ does a church need? There's VERY little in the literature that can't be played on a three-manual organ of 50 stops or so, if those stops are well-chosen and well-voiced."   True. But again, this particular client that I was thinking of has "closets" for organ chambers. The 30 ranks that they have now are "shoehorned" in. And they do need more!     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.