PipeChat Digest #854 - Thursday, May 13, 1999 Re: crazy requests.... by "Margo Dillard" <email@example.com> Re: crazy requests.... by "Margo Dillard" <firstname.lastname@example.org> [musiclassical] 13 MAY Almanac (fwd) by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> playing an old Casavant.. by "Carlo Pietroniro" <email@example.com> addenda to 1910 Casavant.. by "Carlo Pietroniro" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: HORRIBLE MISTAKE by "jon" <email@example.com> Re: Wurli at the symphony by "John Vanderlee" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Fw: Wurli at the symphony by "VEAGUE" <email@example.com> aesthetics and the padded nave by "Bud/burgie" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Double"-Time in Rochester! (x-posted) by "Ken Evans" <email@example.com> Re: Wurli at the symphony by "Bill" <WGWUTILS@webtv.net> Re: chords.. by "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: crazy requests.... by "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> It Works! It Plays! by "Elders, Craig" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: chords.. by "Mark Huth" <email@example.com> Re: Aesthetics by "bruce cornely" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Suitable Beginner's Organ Music by "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> Re: crazy requests.... by "bruce cornely" <firstname.lastname@example.org> mutations....where are you??? by "Carlo Pietroniro" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Margo Dillard <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:14:40 -0500 A groom recently asked me to "surprise" the bride by playing her favorite song for the wedding recessional. So...it started with the Mendelssohn - and at the first ending, suddenly turned into "That's Amore". Last weekend, the wedding couple hired a string quartet to play their pre-service music, rather than organ. Right in the midst of playing light classics, they played "Beauty and the Beast". I wondered if the couple requested it - and if so, what kind of statement they were making about the groom.... ;-) On the note of people picking their music from CD's - I have had the same problem, particularly with a CD that I have discovered they are getting from the local Walmart. It contains nothing but transcriptions and they aren't even the common, everybody's favorite transcriptions that are usually picked for weddings. Each time I've had someone request something from it, I have found the piece is either only published in a big book (that I never seem to have) or not in print at all. A couple of years ago, I got tired of all the brides who would call me and already have a long list of pieces picked out - either from a recording or, worse yet, from the soloist or some friend, which were sometimes nothing but orchestral and piano pieces, often none of which had ever even been considered for arrangement for the organ. There would never be a single piece of actual organ music on the list. So...I made my own tape - marches on one side, pre-service music on the other - just excerpts of about a twenty pieces on each side. The wedding managers give out the tapes along with the wedding policy books and contracts when brides first contact the church about their wedding. It has helped a lot! If they start naming a bunch of stuff I don't own, I remind them of the extra charge for music I have to locate and buy just for them, and say, "have you listened to the tape?" Usually, they decide they will listen to the tape after all, and then they generally decide they like the stuff on the tape just as well as they like the other stuff. Sometimes I still get a request for something particular, but it is generally from a higher level of familiarity (genuinely a favorite of the bride or groom) rather than just going out and buying a wedding CD and picking on one hearing. Margo
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: Margo Dillard <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:26:17 -0500 I guess the funniest music I've ever had for a funeral was one funeral last year. I was told not to play at the end of the service for the casket and family, etc. to leave - the family had a CD of "mama's favorite music" that they wanted played at that time. I didn't know what it would be; the minister didn't know what it would be; and the funeral director didn't ask and didn't look at the CD - just set it up in the CD player. So, at the end of the service, he reached in the sound booth and pushed play - and the casket exited to a German polka band playing "Roll out the Barrell". And then there was a friend of mine, who was asked to play for the funeral of a very prominent and outspoken atheist. He was told by the family that he could play anything he liked, as long as there was absolutely nothing sacred. So, as the body left the chapel, he played "Gonna take a sentimental journey...." Margo
(back) Subject: [musiclassical] 13 MAY Almanac (fwd) From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:39:16 -0700 (MST) Received today from our friends at... From: AcoustiCDigest editors <firstname.lastname@example.org> 1833 In London, FP of Mendelssohn's Sym. No 4, 'Italian'. Composer conducting. 1842 Birth of English comic opera composer Arthur SULLIVAN (with William S. Gilbert),in London. d- 22 NOV 1900 1866 Birth of Hungarian violinist Ottokar NOVACEK. Member of great orchestras as well as Leipzig Gewanhaus and Brodsky Quartet. 1877 At a Lamoureaux Concert in Paris, FP of 'Les Eolides' by Cesar Frank. 1913 Birth of Romanian conductor Constantin SILVESTRE. d- 1969 1913 Birth of American organist and music on recordings catalog publisher (1949), William SCHWANN in Salem IL. d-Lincoln, MA 7 JUN 1998 at age 85. 1920 Birth of English flutist Gareth MORRIS 1937 Birth of American conductor Judith SOMOGI in NYC. 1949 FP of Andrzej Panufnik's 'Sinfonia Rustica'. In Warsaw. 1949 Birth of English conductor and composer Jane GLOVER 1965 Birth of English violinist Tasmin LITTLE === We promote Classical and New Age Music. AcoustiCDigest/Radio Prod. P.O.Box 16221 Tucson AZ 85732 NEWAGE, Acoustic & Classical Music Directories http://AcoustiCD.com CD sales at http://mycdstore.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a new hobby? Want to make a new friend? http://www.onelist.com Come join one of the 145,000 email communities at ONElist! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ compact disc discounts comparison shopping at:http://mycdstore.com and visit the Internet Classical Music Directory index at http://acousticd.com
(back) Subject: playing an old Casavant.. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:57:18 EDT greetings, last night I had the oppertunity to play a beautiful organ at Notre Dame de Bonsecours church, here in Montreal. It's known as the sailor's chapel. In there is a Casavant No. 420, built in 1910. Stoplist is as follows: SWELL Principal 8 Bourdon 8 Viloe de Gambe 8 Voix Celeste 8 Flute 4 Flageolet 2 Hautbois 8 Tremulant GREAT Montre 8 Melodie 8 Dulciane 8 Prestant 4 Doublette 2 Great to Great 4 Swell to Great 16 Swell to Great 8 Swell to Great 4 PEDAL Bourdon 16 Swell to Pedal 8 Great to Pedal 8 It didn't have a lot of stops to choose from, but what a sound. The pedalboard was being repaired and wasn't even there. My legs just dangled like a kid!!! No problem because I am a big kid...hehe Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(back) Subject: addenda to 1910 Casavant.. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:19:56 EDT ......I took some pictures last night and if any list members would like to see them, let me know and as soon as I get them developed, I'll scan them and send them your way. The pics of the organ should turn out great (or swell), sans pédalier of course. Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
(back) Subject: Re: HORRIBLE MISTAKE From: jon <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:30:54 -0500 maybe we use the same bourbon........16'???? is Didley still in print, and what key is it in? if it's more than 5 sharps, I don't wanna bother. Jon Bertschinger proud player of the gawdallmighty SludgeMaster DeluXe DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: > Dear list members: > > If anyone on the list viewed my service music from Oak Cliff Lutheran Church > - Easter 6... you will notice that I blundered and listed the anthem "If Ye > Love Me" as being composed by Orlando Gibbons..... (DAHHHH, too much bourbon > I guess - or a minor aneurysm, it's Thomas Tallis' work!) > > > ... So I > figure either everyone -- who doesn't know > diddley, you all are too polite, or you all don't pay attention to my > postings. In any case I'm making it right at this point. > > John > > PS: I did have it listed correctly in the bulletin on Sunday, whatever that > is worth. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: Wurli at the symphony From: John Vanderlee <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:11:54 -0500 Dear Listers, Here's a question that I suspect will generate a variety of opinions. Our local theatre, where we are the custodians of a II-9 Wurlitzer, has just acquired a symphony orchestra. Brief History in order: The Hudson Valley Philharmonic which plays to sell-out houses and was actually doing quite well, has as its home base the Bardavon theatre in Poughkeepsie. The theatre and orchestra are separate entities although their separate offices are in the same building. Last year the orchestra made a failed attempt at outdoor concerts and self-destructed financially. After they declared bankruptcy the Bardavon bought their remaining assets and plans to now manage the orchestra and continue its concert series. The Wurli has been very succesful at augmenting all the other theatre offerings and the theatre management would like to see more uses including - you guessed it - incorporating it into some Philharmonic performances. We all realize the limitations a TO has as a strictly classical performer, but surely some combinations would work? Perhaps the St. Saens ? Others? Anybody out there have any thoughts on this that we can forward to the management? Constructive suggestions preferred, please! Thanks to all in advance John V
(back) Subject: Fw: Wurli at the symphony From: "VEAGUE" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:32:09 -0500 Theatre organ has been incorporated VERY SUCCESSFULLY with concert and big-band orchestras. One asset is the 16-foot bass the organ can produce, not to mention the wide variety of traps and percussions. Imagine the house filled with sounds of organ and orchestra !!! The Theatre Organ Journal (ATOS) has articles often times of such uses. One example was in the 70s where the Joliet (ILL.) concert band, the choir, and the 4/24 Barton were used in a concert at the Rialto Theatre. The last number I believe, was God Bless America. The impact was, needless to say, overwhelming. I'd say...Go for it ! Rick V. -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee <email@example.com> To: PipeChat <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: PIPORG-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU <PIPORG-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU> Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Wurli at the symphony > >Dear Listers, > >Here's a question that I suspect will generate a variety of opinions. > >Our local theatre, where we are the custodians of a II-9 Wurlitzer, has >just acquired a symphony orchestra. > >Brief History in order: > >The Hudson Valley Philharmonic which plays to sell-out houses and was >actually doing quite well, has as its home base the Bardavon theatre in >Poughkeepsie. The theatre and orchestra are separate entities although >their separate offices are in the same building. Last year the orchestra >made a failed attempt at outdoor concerts and self-destructed financially. >After they declared bankruptcy the Bardavon bought their remaining assets >and plans to now manage the orchestra and continue its concert series. > >The Wurli has been very succesful at augmenting all the other theatre >offerings and the theatre management would like to see more uses including >- you guessed it - incorporating it into some Philharmonic performances. > >We all realize the limitations a TO has as a strictly classical performer, >but surely some combinations would work? Perhaps the St. Saens ? Others? > > >Anybody out there have any thoughts on this that we can forward to the >management? > >Constructive suggestions preferred, please! > >Thanks to all in advance > >John V > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:email@example.com >Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com >
(back) Subject: aesthetics and the padded nave From: Bud/burgie <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:57:49 -0700 From what Michael's describing, it sounds like this church is a prime candidate for a large digital organ (never thought you'd hear ME say that, did you??!!). At least a digital organ could supply some "virtual" acoustics, and unlimited amounts of volume. NO legitimate pipe organ could encompass that large a range of music (stomp and shout to classical), and when it isn't able to, the organ-builder will get blamed (of course). There are SOME churches that simply don't need a pipe organ. Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: "Double"-Time in Rochester! (x-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:55:00 -0400 A reminder that the Rochester Theater Organ Society will present Ken Double, from Indiana, playing our Wurlitzer 4/22 at 8 p.m. on this coming Saturday, May 15th. Ken is well known to "double the pleasure" of TO audiences. The admission at the door is only $10 each. This fine presentation concludes our 1998-1999 nine-concert season. Driving directions, Ken Double's biography and much more is found at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . The concert is at the Auditorium Center at 875 East Main Street in Rochester, NY. As an added incentive to be in Rochester, the famous Lilac Festival starts the day before the concert on Friday, May 14 and runs continuously through Sunday, May 23. The lilacs will be at their peak this coming weekend and the weather forecast is for wall-to-wall sunshine with temperatures in the 70s. .. For festival details visit the site at http://www.roch.com/lilacfestival/schedule.shtml . Spend the day Saturday at the Lilac Festival and top it off with Ken Double's great TPO event in the evening. We hope to see you here for both events! Ken Evans, RTOS Director P.S. Stop off at the New York State Fairgrounds in Syracuse on Sunday evening at 7:30 p.m. for a great English-style concert with Dr. Arnold Loxam on their Wurlitzer 3/11. Arnold is famous for his "Loxam Bounce." This will add more frosting to your mini-holiday with Wurlitzers! Visit http://community.syracuse.com/cc/theatreorgan and click on "Important Dates" for more information about this event. K.E.
(back) Subject: Re: Wurli at the symphony From: WGWUTILS@webtv.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT) John: I see from your post that your organization has done what needed to be done for the past some years. TO's are actually orchestral instruments and have been used in that manner successfully since the first. Some excellent examples which immediately come to mind: Jesse Crawford; Reginald Foort; Buddy Cole; and who could ever forget Leonard MacClain's "Operetta for Theatre Organ", etc. - all on TO's. Many others as well including the famous George Wright accompanied philharmonic/symphony orchestras with classics as well as popular. Hey! If the famous Ethel Smith with her Hammond could play with the Fort Wayne (IN) Philharmonic (a city that rolled it's sidewalks up at 9pm back in those days - the 50's, very straight laced community then) and get good reviews, look what a great TO (even if it is one of the smaller ones) can do. I think I read once that the Embassy Page has/had been used to accompany the Ft.W Philharmonic.... I know the Ft.Wayne Paramount Wurlitzer was always used for Good Friday noon-time services back then - nothing like some nice bold Pedal Diaphones fluttering your pants cuffs and chattering the empty (usually not very many) theatre seats to put the fear of God into you :-) Bill Winchester in, now, finally, warm Florida. P.S. Nola on Honky-Tonk Piano? If this is the same piece I'm thinking of, it is normally played using a very mello Tibia Clausa chorus with Tremolo - very romantic and smooth...
(back) Subject: Re: chords.. From: "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:22:39 +0100 >>...am I the only one who knows what a D6 >> chord is? >>Carlo >Yes Carlo, you're alone! No one with ANY breeding uses them any more. >It's just not done! Yes it is! It is perfect for annoying Vicars!!! Richard. ========================================================= This message was sent to you by Richard Pinel. email@example.com Confucius say: Many man smoke, but Fu Manchu
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: "Richard Pinel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:25:57 +0100 >...I just received a phone call from a bride whose wedding I'm playing this >Saturday. You'll never guess what piece she wants me to play.....she want >the toccata and fugue in d minor by Bach. At a wedding!!!!!!!! We've had it at a wedding a couple (no pun intended!) of times, but I see what you mean! Richard. ========================================================= This message was sent to you by Richard Pinel. email@example.com Nice guys finish last
(back) Subject: It Works! It Plays! From: "Elders, Craig" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:41:57 -0500 After 5 years, this past Tuesday evening I turned on the power and sat down at my pipe organ console in my living room and played! It works! It works! It plays! During May of 1994 I decided to start working on what I thought would be my dream pipe organ for my home. Then I thought that my planned two manual 5 ranks would be all that I would or could imagine having in my home. It was about that time I also found this list and started asking questions. I asked about most everything, much like questions that appear her often. Well thanks to all that have helped me, offered suggestions, given detailed "organ builder's secrets", etc. my II/5 dream is now a III/23 reality. (Looks like I took a bunch of those suggestions, don't' it!) Last Saturday Night I completed the wiring of my Z-Tronics relay. But it was Tuesday evening before I had the time to flip the switch. I think I am still walking 5 feet off the ground. It just worked. Since all my pipework is "experienced" I had taken off all tuning collars and stoppers and cleaned all pipework before replacing and placing the pipes on the chests. So NOTHING, and I mean nothing, was in tune. But still, that was the best sounding pipe organ I have every heard. (You might get a different answer from my little Dog!) Last night I tuned my Great principals: 8' Diapason, 4' Octave, 2' Super Octave and my III Mixture. I just had to have something to "play" with, and see what it is really going to sound like. Unless you have been there, there is just no way to describe the feeling of siting down and reaching for and pulling drawknobs and then playing your first fugue in your own living room on your very own pipe organ. I just imagine that this must be the thrill for all the builders out there as they bring their creations to live! It may be hard to get me off the bench now to start "finishing" everything. I hope Saturday to have someone at the console so I can tune another 15 Swell ranks. (I just can't get my little dog to hold keys,....yet, that is!!) Also, about 6 weeks ago I had a TV crew spend 6 hours at my home. There is a regional show called Texas Country Reporter, with Bob Phillips that does half hour features each week. They had heard about my new instrument and wanted to show it. They came for a "work in progress" session and will return to tape it playing. It was scheduled for their final show this season, but last week I talked to the producer and they have now scheduled it for the first thing next fall. Boy am I glad, as this has been a type of "deadline" for me and I have spent many many hours hurrying to get everything finished. Now I can take my time and enjoy the final phase on my install, that is if I will ever get off the bench! Also, with all this attention, I would like it to be more "completed". I am very honored and thrilled that they want to show what I have built. I will yell when I have the actual date of the showing. The show is carried in all of Texas's markets as well as other surrounding states. It is even over satellite and can be picked up everywhere by someone with the right dish. They also have a web site. Again thanks to all that have given their time and shared their knowledge and experience. How can I ever repay such kindness and thoughtfulness?? !!! I hope that all those out there building a home pipe organ or thinking about it will enjoy the experience as much as I have. Looking back, there has been times I questioned the piles of "stuff" everywhere; piles of wood that needed sanding, lacquering, drilling; the searching for the right ranks of pipes; deciding on a relay; the zillions of wires that needed soldering and on and on --> but then pulling out that Great 8' Diapason drawknob and playing sure makes it all worthwhile! I have to be the proudest and happiest person on Earth! If you are in the neighborhood, come by for a test drive. Craig Elders Fort Worth, Texas
(back) Subject: Re: chords.. From: "Mark Huth" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:47:00 PST > >Yes Carlo, you're alone! No one with ANY breeding uses them any more. > >It's just not done! > > Yes it is! It is perfect for annoying Vicars!!! > > Richard. Add the 9th to that 6th and the Vicar will leave the parish. Mark Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC firstname.lastname@example.org http://www.rodgersinstruments.com ========================== Never use a preposition to end a sentence with.
(back) Subject: Re: Aesthetics From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 The "closet" space with being used > metaphorically. They are organ chambers, but > are small, with inadequate openings. Metaphorical or not, a closet is a closet, a big closet is still a closet. I was once in a parish where the organ was to be installed in a triangular chamber at the left side of the chancel area with an 8 x 16 "tone opening". My solution was to totally remove the walls, from floor (8' above chancel level) to ceiling (about 28' above chancel level). The three divisions (GSP) were installed on the same level facing the nave: Gr in front, Sw in center, Pd in back. There is still room for additions. >This particular church is a lopsided rectangle, > with the organ on one of the long sides, > divided between the choir area, which is right > up against the chancel. If there are no supporting walls, the chamber fronts should be removed leaving a loft for the organ, allowing it to speak directly into the room and to be layed out using traditional methods. > As far as putting the organ out in front, and in > a case, as well at it would be nice, no floor > space for the case. The organ does not necessarily have to be in front. However, if there is room for a console, there is room for the footprint of a case; the organ could then be installed in a proper case; or ever installed in a case which backed-up to the loft, expanding the available room. > As far as hanging it on the wall, remember > that we are in earthquake country.. I don't recommend hanging the organ on a wall in any part of the country. >This is a scream and shout church and does > everything from classical to gospel.... My recommendation would be to get a pipe organ to handle classical music and hymnody, and then to purchase appropriate synthesizer, keyboards etc to hand the "screaming" literature. It is unfair to expect a respectable pipe organ (or even an un-respectable one) to do everything. They would be better off with instruments appropriate to the music their doing. >This church needs a bigger organ that can > handle the needs of the music and the church > service, which the present organ is not. What is the present organ? spec...=A0=A0 Thick carpets, pew cushions, bad acoustics are all a given in most places these days and are usually here to stay. G Donald Harrison proved time and again that they did not have to be the death knell of the organ; this evil can be overcome. bruce cornely firstname.lastname@example.org When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery
(back) Subject: Re: Suitable Beginner's Organ Music From: "Richard Pinel" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:52:19 +0100 I don't know whether you can get them in America, but David Sanger has two books called "Play the Organ" (1 & 2). I had piano previously, so I don't remember whether they are any good for no pianists. I now have play the organ 2, which as well as good registration and style tips, has a wealth of good pieces, which will be good for emergencies well into adulthood. Come to think of it, Play the Organ 1 does (I think) have a section for no pianists (don't hold me to this). David Sanger is a respected organist in this country, he has a 3 manual organ in his house. Richard. ========================================================= This message was sent to you by Richard Pinel. firstname.lastname@example.org But soft, what light through yonder tagline breaks?
(back) Subject: Re: crazy requests.... From: email@example.com (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:41:37 -0400 (EDT) The tape sounds like a workable idea, but I would really miss the personal contact with the bride and groom. It actually winds up being less work for me and them. bruce cornely firstname.lastname@example.org When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery
(back) Subject: mutations....where are you??? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:15:50 EDT greetings, here in Montreal, we're very fortunate to have hundreds of Casavants. I described a "teeney-weeney" one earlier. Now I want to tell you about a "biggie". Not far from where I live is a church that houses a 4-manual Casavant built around 1920 or so. The number is somewhere around 900 or so. Anyway, what i don't understand is why they'd bulid such a large organ and put no mutations on it, at all!!!! No nazard, no quint, no tierce, no nuttin'. wwwaaaaahhhhh!!!! I don't get it. it a beautiful organ. It has positif, grand orgue, récit and solo, a straight-concave pedalboard, divisional and general pistons, but no mutations. What a bummer. Also, the great to great 16 only works on some of the great stops and the great to great 4 only works on some. For instance, if you pull the Prestant 4, then pull the super coupler, it'll add the octave, but if you pull the sub coupler, it won't. There are tiny letters written on the great speaking stops telling you which coupler will affect them, either A (aigue) or G (grave). I find that really odd. Have any of you played an organ like that before? There's also a tuba on the solo, but it's a non-coupling tuba. You can bring the tuba to the pedal, or to the great, but that's it. Anyway, I thought I'd share that with you all. Carlo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com