PipeChat Digest #858 - Saturday, May 15, 1999
 
Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net>
pipe organ company...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Mutations and Tierces en Taille
  by <Mark85inCT@aol.com>
Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com>
mutations and French literature
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Expression Pedals
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Expression Pedals
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Manual Transfer..
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
All Swells to Swell..........etc.
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: Expression Pedals
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
1913 Moller Chest Problems
  by "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com>
..to set the record straight.....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
looking for............
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: ..to set the record straight.....
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: looking for............
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
Re: Expression Pedals
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Casavant's sheeeesh...........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
name that organ.....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
I need your help....
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Rodgers 32D
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: I need your help....
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
about that bet.........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: looking for............
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: about that bet.........
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
ICQ?
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 99 15:03:51 -0800   On Fri, 14 May 1999 14:37:30 EDT, Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   >What pipe organ companies other >than Rodgers have the "choir/great transfer"?   Huh? When did Rodgers become a "pipe organ company?" [Except in their marketing department?] But OK: I think you will find that almost any pipe organ company using electric action will offer the Choir/Great transfer. You just gotta ask.   >I aslo heard from my >Rodgers representative that Baldwin no longer makes church organs. I don't >doubt him, but if this is true, when did this happen? Baldwin was doing >pretty well....weren't they?   Baldwin was doing pretty well and is doing even better. Many years ago Baldwin moved the fabrication of electronic assemblies into a state of the art _contract_ electronics plant. Along with that they formed a division called Church Organ Systems (1992). Subsequently the managers of that division, especially after some years of better than 20% growth, some four times the 'church organ' industry average, spun off from mamma.   Now to use an analogy. What your dealer friend could have said when CBS properties sold Rodgers off was: Rodgers (unsaid: as a child of CBS) no longer makes organs. But then, it is obvious that the intent of that phrase is to do financial harm to the good name and reputation of the company by hurting sales and to imply that the product line is orphaned. But your friend would not want to do that to a company that is hurting his bottom line would he? So; if Roland spun off Rodgers today would it be true that they no longer make church organs? Then is his statement 'true' in anything other than a technical sense? (Well, I hope the answer is obvious.)   Baldwin Piano makes and sells pianos under the names of: Baldwin, Chickering, Wurlitzer and Pianovelle. (If I got it straight.)   Church Organ Systems: 630 Highway 12, Baldwin, Wisconsin 54002. Telephone: 1.888.557.5397. [URL: http://www.churchorgansystems.com/ ] They have over 13 models and like others can add "air-blown" pipes to anything. They have models selling under the names of: Baldwin, Viscount (Theater), Prestige (Italian) and Bevilacqua ("authentic, hand crafted, limited production Italian pipe organ"). Curiously, unlike the "big brother" companies they compete against they will point you from their site to both Rodgers and Allen. (Does make one wonder who is afraid of whom.)   As to service of existing Baldwin organs: As a pipe organ service company I get calls from churches who have Baldwins and have been visited by 'Wheeler' dealers. Of course, the existing organs are all "junk" with substantial portions that "must be replaced." We are then called in to confirm the demise of the organ. If they do not think they can land a new organ off the meeting then often they say, "the speakers and amps are shot and must be replaced." I like this. We go and look, taking someone from the church, and show them what to look for. Sometimes one or more speakers do have a problem -- recone time. And, from time to time we put an amp on the bench and replace a few parts. (Or, the dealers repair tech finds out we have been called and gets reasonable real fast.) There are times where they are assured that "nothing can be done." Most of these problems come down to "I do not want to locate a part." To date, between Baldwin proper and COS we have never had a problem. In fact, sometimes we spend more for the service manual than the parts.   Grant                  
(back) Subject: pipe organ company... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:18:12 EDT   greetings,   someone recently asked when Rodgers became a pipe organ company. There are Rodgers pipe organs all over the world. The Second Baptist Church in Houston Texas houses a 5-manual Rodgers pipe organ with 195 ranks (I think that's how many). They make both pipe and electronic organs, but they are every bit as much of a pipe organ company as any other. I'm sure there are many other Rodgers pipe installations in the USA that other list members can think of.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:26:43 EDT   .............Second Baptist Church in Houston has 194 ranks. Prince of Peace Lutheran Church in Schaumburg, Illinois houses Rodgers' 1000th pipe organ installation. Glenkirk Presbyterian Church in Glendora California houses a 4-manual, 70-rank Rodgers pipe organ, considered to be one of Southern California's finest instruments. I'm sure there are many more pipe organs built by Rodgers, but that's all I can come up with right now.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Mutations and Tierces en Taille From: Mark85inCT@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:41:05 EDT   Rob,   Thank you for the wonderful response to the mutations dilemma. Yes, Skinner developed or refined some of the most lovely sounds. Using them in older repertoire, while perhaps not authentic, can be incredibly rewarding to the player and the listener. Here's hoping that others will become inspired to investigate the multitude of registration possibilities beyond what has either been suggested on the page or passed along from teacher to pupil!   Mark  
(back) Subject: Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:55:43 PST       Wm. G. Chapman wrote:   > Huh? When did Rodgers become a "pipe organ company?" > [Except in their marketing department?]   You may not be aware that, although the majority of our consoles are completely digital, Rodgers has indeed built a number of pipe instruments, including Second Baptist Church, Houston, Texas, (5m/194rks), Glenkirk Prebyterian Church, Glendora, CA (4m, 67rks) and St. Paul UMC, Cincinnati, Ohio (3m, 44rks).   We have also been involved in many projects where an existing pipe console is replaced with a digital console; many times, the pipe complement is also increased in size. The most significant recent example of this is the repair and reinstallation of the Casavant organ at Bel Air Presbyterian Church in the LA area. This organ was damaged in the Northridge earthquake.   Although our main business is certainly digital, we still maintain an active presence in the pipe organ market.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. --- Albert Einstein    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: "Daryl Robinson" <darylrobinson@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:16:56 PDT   The worst one is at Second Baptist in Houston. I mean its one thing to have the largest organ in a city like Houston but its another to have a big pile of doo doo like Second does. in fact the other day I called about practicing there and they told me that the left two sections of the organ were not playing the pipes were dead. The organ is in four cases across the front of the room. It's 191 ranks but about 60 work at one time even Diane Bish hates it (not that that means anything though!)   Daryl   >From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:26:43 EDT > >.............Second Baptist Church in Houston has 194 ranks. Prince of >Peace >Lutheran Church in Schaumburg, Illinois houses Rodgers' 1000th pipe organ >installation. Glenkirk Presbyterian Church in Glendora California houses a >4-manual, 70-rank Rodgers pipe organ, considered to be one of Southern >California's finest instruments. I'm sure there are many more pipe organs >built by Rodgers, but that's all I can come up with right now. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: mutations and French literature From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:20:29 -0700   The French (God love 'em; SOMEBODY must (grin) ) have always been VERY precise about their registrations, from very early times right through to the present day. More than one composer says in his preface, "if you don't have the stops, don't play my music". French registration is like French cooking -- both complicated AND precise -- and in fact somebody gives his registrations as "meslanges" ... recipes, complete with cooking similes. As I recall, the Tremblant is recommended for those who need their sugar fix (grin).   This takes us back to the old argument about whether or not Bach would have used the crescendo pedal, Tuba Miraculous, etc., if he'd had a Skinner organ at his disposal. If I ever get to heaven, I'll ask him; but in the meantime, he DIDN'T have a Skinner organ at his disposal, so I don't use the crescendo pedal and the Tuba Miraculous when I play Bach on a Skinner. I DID, when I was a very young student ... my copy of Wir glauben still has the markings to bring on the Solo Tuba at the last entry of the subject, and to gradually open the Solo box from there to the end. But I don't DO it anymore (grin).   Of COURSE you can play the de Grigny on an English Horn, but that's not the sonority the composer called for, OR the one he had in his head. It's also quite possible to play the Brandenbergs on a bank of synthesizers, God help us, but why do it?   There was a FASCINATING article in the Diapason (?) awhile back about how Messiaen adapted his own registrations when he played a neo-baroque Beckerath, but his musical language and symbolism is so complex that only HE could do it, I'd think. One of the biggest mistakes folks make in judging Messiaen's music is that quite aside from the sonorities of the organ at La Trinite, they also don't take into account the very spacious acoustics, which he writes for very skillfully. Transfer all THAT to a neo-baroque organ in a dry American concert hall or church and what you have is ... well, it's not the music as Messiaen wrote it.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedals From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:22:14 -0700   I think the AGO order (from left to right) is: Great, Choir, Swell, Solo, Echo, Crescendo, and yes, the Swell pedal does determine the relative positions of the rest. Beyond six pedals, you're on your own, except that the Swell does stay more-or-less in the middle.   Cheers,   Bud   Jason McGuire wrote:   > Hi all, > > I am trying to get clarity on the placement of expression pedals when there > are more than two. Usually, it's Choir, Swell, then Crescendo (left to > right). When there is a Solo division under expression, does that pedal go > left of the Choir expression pedal or right of the Swell? I know that the > Swell expression pedal is always in the same place in relation to the > pedals. Also, is the layout an AGO guideline or something that is up to > individual builders? Thanks for your help. > > Cheers, > Jason > ----------------------------------------------------- > Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all! > > JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedals From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:29:02 -0400   At 10:56 AM 5/14/99 -0700, Jason wrote: > When there is a Solo division under expression, does that pedal go >left of the Choir expression pedal or right of the Swell?   Jason, I believe (from what I've been told by organ builders, organists and others, not from research) that the plan of expression pedals would be, reading from left toward crescendo pedal, is choir, swell, solo, crescendo. However, on our new console at Coral Ridge, I made a decision NOT to do things in that order since the solo division is prepared for. I could not even begin to think would a pain it would be to have to always "climb" over the solo pedal to get to the crescendo pedal (even though I only rarely use it).   >I know that the >Swell expression pedal is always in the same place in relation to the >pedals.   It's above the D#, isn't it?   Yours, for comfortable consoles, I am,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Manual Transfer.. From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:33:34 -0500   We offer manual transfer....have been for a long time. It also exchanges pistons in proper slips. We also have All Swells (pedal coupler for shades controls), and too many other good things to just jot about here.   Jon Bertschinger Voicer/Technician Temple organs    
(back) Subject: All Swells to Swell..........etc. From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:35:44 -0500   While many companys offer things like All Swells (ASTS, as we have the piston engraved), and manual transfer at an extra cost.......we do not... We also have 99 levels of memory std. and our systems will operate up to 990 stops over 19 divisions with out any further "too-do".   Jon Bertschinger Voicer/Technician Temple Organs    
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedals From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:38:55 -0500   Go LEFT YOUNG MAN.........LOL   Jon Bertschinger   Jason McGuire wrote:   > Hi all, > > I am trying to get clarity on the placement of expression pedals when there > are more than two. Usually, it's Choir, Swell, then Crescendo (left to > right). When there is a Solo division under expression, does that pedal go > left of the Choir expression pedal or right of the Swell? I know that the > Swell expression pedal is always in the same place in relation to the > pedals. Also, is the layout an AGO guideline or something that is up to > individual builders? Thanks for your help. > > Cheers, > Jason > ----------------------------------------------------- > Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all! > > JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: 1913 Moller Chest Problems From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:10:24 -0400   I have noticed some unusual things that happen with the Moller chests on the new organ I play.   When trying to find a suitable Hymn registration today, I brought on the three Diapasons on the Great. When I brought on the Stopped Diapason 8', it made the Open Diapason softer and it sounded like the Stopped wasn't on at all! The same with the 4' Octave and Stopped Flute.   Another: On the Swell, there is a 2' Flautino. This has an unusual reverse chiff on the majority of the notes. By reverse chiff, I mean that when the valves are charged for note off, the Flautino gets a very big burst of air just before the pipes stop speaking. It doesn't affect the pitch, it just affects the volume. This also happens faintly with the 8' Cornopean.   If someone can help me, I'll be very thankful for it is driving me nuts!   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O ~20 member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: ..to set the record straight..... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:26:54 EDT   dear fellow list members,   I posted something earlier about the Rodgers organ company. I've received a lot of flack for it, calling them a 'full-fledged' pipe organ company. First of all, I never called them that, at all. Secondly, when I post something about anything, it's either stuff I know, and if I don't know, I'll go look it up. I don't make up or fabricate things to post. I can only go on what I'm told or what I read. If something I post is wrong, then please correct me. I'm an open-minded guy and am always willing to learn and expand my horizons. Someone, who by the way isn't even on this list, sent me a private e-mail, giving me a hard time about posting things that aren't true and hinting at the fact that he wonders why if I am a concert organist, why he's never heard of me. There's no way that everyone can possibly know of every concert organist in the world. The world is a big place. I reminded him in my response that I don't have to justify anything to him, and I'm more than sure that he fully understood that. What I'm trying to say is this: if I post something that's incorrect, please don't assume that I've made it up. Correct me. I thank all of you for being understanding.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:59:24 -0400 (EDT)   Mark, I've been curious. Does Rodgers manufacture their own pipes? Especially I refer to the pipe-only installations you mentioned. Just something I've been wondering for a while. --Neil    
(back) Subject: looking for............ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:08:49 EDT   greetings all,   does anyone know where I can get a copy of "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen......" as arranged by George Wright? I think that's his first name...   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: ..to set the record straight..... From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:19:11 EDT   Dear Carl:   Don't worry about it, this list is primarily a bunch of *od *amn *ssholes who couldn't pull their own drawknobs if they tried.... with the exception of Bruce C and a few others...   J  
(back) Subject: Re: looking for............ From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:23:05 EDT   Hello Carlo; Sorry you're taking so much flak (!), but that seems to happen to a lot of vocal newcomers! I have a copy of the George Wright setting of "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen", and I'll be happy to copy it for you, and send it along if you'll send me your address privately. I don't think it would FAX well, as all I have is a very old and much used mimeo copy, myself. I like it a lot; it differs from the recorded version, and requires a fairly hefty organ to get the best of it.   Kurt von Schakel  
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedals From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:30:09 -0500     >Also, is the layout an AGO guideline or something that is up to >individual builders? Thanks for your help.   Jason   You can find the AGO Console Spec on the AGo Web Site http://www.agohq.org and as I remember you look under the "resources" section. That should help with your question.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Casavant's sheeeesh........... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:31:25 -0400 (EDT)   I schantz understand why you are denegrating the Pride of Orrville, so. I happen to like the smooth sailing sounds of my Schantz. YOur right, your Ruffatti reeds should be quite outstanding. Cheers, --Neil    
(back) Subject: name that organ..... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:37:40 EDT   greetings all,   there are two movies that I recently watched that had scenes with pipe organs in them. One was "Annie", and the other was "Mannequin". Does anyone know what organs these were?   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: I need your help.... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:45:10 EDT   fellow list members,   I need your collective expertise. I made a bet with someone that I can name a toccata in every key, major and minor. That makes 24 keys in all. Can you all help me come up with 24 titles? It doesn't matter how long they are or what composer. Thanks....   Carlo   p.s. If I win, I'll take all of you out to dinner!!!!!!!!     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Rodgers 32D From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:45:45 -0500   I have located a Rodgers model 32D (3-manual) organ at a cost that seems fair to me for a 3-manual instrument with a decent stoplist and MIDI compatible.   Can anyone tell me about this model? Date it was built, reliability, etc.? It's located a half-continent away, so I can't exactly drive out for a quick inspection. I want to learn as much about it as I can before making my "inspection tour." The owner is out of town until Monday so I can't get a response there - and I'm anxious to hear from "the in-crowd!"   What say you? Good instrument? What would the going price be for one in "excellent" condition?   Thanks for any help you can give me. If I get this, it'll be my first - and last - "big" instrument for my home...so I want it to be the RIGHT purchase.   Rod Murrow    
(back) Subject: Re: I need your help.... From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:47:31 -0500   So - you lost the bet.   Rod Murrow   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > fellow list members, > > I need your collective expertise. I made a bet with someone > that I can name a toccata in every key, major and minor. That makes 24 keys > in all. Can you all help me come up with 24 titles? > It doesn't matter how long they are or what composer. Thanks.... > > Carlo    
(back) Subject: about that bet......... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:59:17 EDT   ............the person I made the bet with knows I'm going to get help with it. He doesn't mind. He also doesn't think there's a toccata in every key. I haven't lost or won yet............   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: looking for............ From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:57:34 -0500   Again I have to ask - will this be a legal copy? Permission granted by copyright owner, public domain, other "legal" copy? Just another gentle reminder...you never know when the "copyright police" will be lurking in the shadows ready to bust you!   Rod Murrow   KurtvonS@aol.com wrote:   > Hello Carlo; > I have a copy of the George Wright setting of "God Rest Ye, > Merry Gentlemen", and I'll be happy to copy it for you, and send it along if > you'll send me your address privately. I don't think it would FAX well, as > all I have is a very old and much used mimeo copy, myself. I like it a lot; > it differs from the recorded version, and requires a fairly hefty organ to > get the best of it. > > Kurt von Schakel    
(back) Subject: Re: about that bet......... From: KurtvonS@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:59:09 EDT   Carlo, I think Mr. M meant that you didn't have 24 different ...TITLES...since they're all Toccata!!! Let me know what keys you still need, however!   Kurt  
(back) Subject: ICQ? From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:09:03 -0500   Sorry to add another "double-lister" but was wondering if any of you listers have active ICQ accounts? It might be fun for some of us with similar interests to carry on a more active discussion via ICQ.   I'll not post my ICQ# just yet - if nobody is interested, that's okay. My own interests include advertising and locating additional resources for my "Resources for Church Musicians" web site, new/recent church music (Callahan, Burkhardt, Held, Haan, Cherwien, Behnke, and similar "user-friendly" composers), what's "current" in the digital organ lineup (Allen & Rodgers), AGO stuff, railroad memorabilia, and American Fostoria glass.   In a soon-to-be uploaded home page, I intent to add an ICQ link and will post my ICQ number there. ICQ dialogues are pretty cool, closer to a telephone conversation than posting consecutive e-mails...   Well, it's just a thought...we'll see if anything develops from it.   Rod Murrow