PipeChat Digest #863 - Sunday, May 16, 1999
 
Fw: transcriptions (p.s.)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: name that organ.....
  by "Dick Metzger" <dick@netreach.net>
Re: transcriptions
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: ICQ?
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
transcriptions
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: ICQ?
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: Aesthetics
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Peter and the Wolf.............
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Peter and the Wolf.........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: name that organ.....
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Toccata by Joseph Callaerts
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: BACH.
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Fw: transcriptions...
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Aesthetics
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Toccata by Joseph Callaerts
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Rodgers 32D
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Mc Dowell
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
EORG-L
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Mc Dowell
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99- copyright laws.
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99- copyright laws.
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
 


(back) Subject: Fw: transcriptions (p.s.) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:30:15 -0500   I LOVE Dr. Phibes !!! Where did they get that Wurli from ?? Not to mention dubbing aHammond B3 track in there too !!!   And, oh, that lift bringing the console down to the first floor !!!   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Goward <dgoward@uswest.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: RE: transcriptions (p.s.)     >> I AM working on "War March of the Priests" for the next time E.Y. R. >> gets ornery (grin). > >I LOVE that one! First heard it in The Abdominal, er, Abominable Dr. >Phibes. > >Dennis Goward > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: name that organ..... From: "Dick Metzger" <dick@netreach.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:28:28 -0400   Carlo,   It is my understanding parts of "Annie" were filmed at Monmouth College in Northern New Jersey. The organ is in an old mansion which is now a part of the college (administration building, I think).   I have no information about the organ, however. Perhaps some friends from NJ could contribute.   Dick Metzger     -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> To: organchat@onelist.com <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 12:39 AM Subject: name that organ.....     >greetings all, > > there are two movies that I recently watched that had >scenes with pipe organs in them. One was "Annie", and the other was >"Mannequin". Does anyone know what organs these were? > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: transcriptions From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:33:50 -0500   Rick Maryman wrote: >Robert Hebble published a very nice arrangement of the "To A Wild Rose" >McDowell piece. > Does that appear in a collection? I have several Hebble collections, but they are all sacred, and "To a Wild Rose" doesn't appear in any of them.   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:39:43 -0500   Jan; I'm not sure, but a starting place would be to search the OneList pages at   http://www.onelist.com/   If not there, try a basic internet search on Yahoo or some such search engine.   Rod Murrow   "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" wrote:   > Good evening friends > I understand there is supposed to be a list called eorg-l for > discussion of electronic / digital organs. > Can any of you direct me to the website or url so I can subscribe > to the list? > Any help is greatly appreciated- thanks. > Jan Vanderstad    
(back) Subject: Re: ICQ? From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:43:48 -0500   Rick;   ICQ is the alphabetical equivalent of "I Seek You" - it's an online chat program in (relatively) real time...akin to email but sometimes you can have more of a dialog going than with regular e-mail. The software is free on the internet...and registration is also free.   Rod Murrow   RMaryman@aol.com wrote:   > Rod - > > Not to display my ignorance publicly (which I am herewith doing) but kindly > explain what ICQ is/stands for please > > Rick Maryman > Staunton VA    
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: DEMPAR1@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:45:27 EDT   Jason, you have a typo in the address, that's why it is not working. You have a number 1 where you should have the letter "L" as in eorg-L. I tried to cut and paste your address and after it did not work I checked it letter by letter and noticed the typo. Hope this helps everyone. The site is worth visiting.  
(back) Subject: transcriptions From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 22:46:26 EDT   Is anyone out there familiar with an organ transcription/arrangement of "Peter and the Wolf?" Thanks for your help. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: ICQ? From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:51:40 -0500   OOPS - I forgot the URL: www.icq.com/   Rod Murrow   RMaryman@aol.com wrote:   > Rod - > > Not to display my ignorance publicly (which I am herewith doing) but kindly > explain what ICQ is/stands for please > > Rick Maryman > Staunton VA    
(back) Subject: Re: Aesthetics From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:05:13 EDT   Dear Bruce and list,   OK Bruce, you've really gone off the deep end this time!   "You really need to post a picture."   A problem with this. First of all posting an attachment to the entire list is not permitted. I will be happy to send a picture of the church to you in the next couple of days.   "I'm having difficult wrapping my mind around the possibility of this hideous building being historic!"   How can you dare pass judgment on this building without ever seeing it? For what it is, it is quite charming.   "As a friend once said at an organ recital upon overhearing a couple of old ladies wondering if anything could be added to an already wretched organ: "A grenade, perhaps??" Give it some thought!"   I NEVER said that the organ was wretched. It does have several problems; most having to do with the organ being undersized, and some mechanical problems. It has some wonderful tonal resources, which everyone agrees that we should keep.   "Second the wall is structural.   ...sounds like an even better reason to remove it!"   We are not amused!   "Ah! Ah-ha! This should have been in the first paragraph in your first post. The problem is THE ORGANIST-DIRECTOR, who apparently is too lazy to get up and move to another instrument, and wants everything compromised to his low level of activity."   I cannot believe that you are using such a pathetic excuse as the organist's "low level of activity", without knowing the all of the circumstances of the situation. This is a radio broadcast church, a small chancel area, and a lot of things happen in a relatively short period of time. Besides, having the organist bounce from place to place has been described as disruptive to the flow of the service.   "You're dealing with an idiot!"   This is the statement that really got me. I cannot believe you would have the gall to say this without knowing the person. The director of this particular church has a doctorate in organ performance, is a professor at a University, and is considered to be an authority in gospel music in Los Angeles. Still think that the organist is an idiot?   "Your time would be better spent building a fine organ for a real church."   It's unbelievable to me, Bruce, that you have such as narrow-minded view of what a good organ is, or a building that could have a good organ. I know that from reading your postings over the years that you would prefer a late 19th century encased American tracker, but there are other types of organ, and even some of those are good! A sign of a good organbuilder is one that can make something respectable out of any situation. And by God, I'm going to try!!!     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:16:16 -0400 (EDT)   Darryl and listers, I think I've seen recent photos of 2nd Baptist that look as if some of the pipework had been removed (or at least covered up). It looked as though Jumbotron screens were in their place. I could be mistaken, but it wouldn't surprise me. Any words of verification would be apprec. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Peter and the Wolf............. From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:24:54 EDT   ..........I have a copy of this piece by Sergei Prokofieff (spelling) arranged by Joseph H. Greener............   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Peter and the Wolf......... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:30:59 EDT   .......I have a copy of this piece by Sergei Prokofieff, as arranged by Joseph H. Greener.........   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:25:56 -0700   Yes, thank you ... I sent out a correction, did it not come through? ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com     >Jason, you have a typo in the address, that's why it is not working. You >have a number 1 where you should have the letter "L" as in eorg-L. I tried >to cut and paste your address and after it did not work I checked it letter >by letter and noticed the typo. Hope this helps everyone. The site is worth >visiting.  
(back) Subject: Re: name that organ..... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:33:13 -0400 (EDT)   Carlo, Don't know about Annie, but Mannequin was definitely Wannamaker Organ in Philly. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 20:31:31 -0700   I was trying this toccata out a few minutes ago, it came with the Michelle Leclerc toccata. There seems to be a printing error in the third measure. Does anyone else have this piece and if so could you look at it?   It seems to me that the left hand should have a bass cleff for the 3rd measure, continuing from the 2nd measure, before it changes to a treble cleff just before the 2nd note of the 4th measure. The 3rd measure is "playable" but quite strange using the treble cleff and involves hands crossing and literally touching. Anyone else have a thought on this?   Thanks. Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com  
(back) Subject: Re: BACH. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:37:07 -0400 (EDT)   I was just wondering if any of you could survive on a Bach diet? If I could only play the work of one composer on one organ for the rest of my life, I would select Bach for the music and a nice 3/35 well-tempered tracker. When I am fatigued from a rough week, my Friday therapeutic practice session consists of all Bach, usually played on two very delightful 8' Principals (which, unfortunately are in equal temperament). The most relaxing music I've played in years is the Art of the Fugue. I got the AotF recorded at Duke Chapel on the Flentrop by Wolfgang Rubsam but, although the registrations and the organ are splendid, the rhythm is so erratic that after about five minutes of being rubato'd t' death, I want to get up and spend a few relaxing moments hurling bottles into the fireplace!!!! Such a shame he chose to do this unfortunate rendering.... But I digress....   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:58 -0500   >Yes, thank you ... I sent out a correction, did it not come through? Yes, it did, thanks. And thanks to all who wrote in to provide the correct address. I found it!   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: transcriptions... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:00:19 -0400 (EDT)   Transcriptions are making a significant comeback. And, they ARE part of the organ repertoire, even if not originally organ Music. People like to hear them, the organs can play them, so, what's the problem? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Aesthetics From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:05:50 -0400 (EDT)   Michael... You're too serious. Relax. I'll just read about this instrument when it hits TAO.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:10:16 EDT   Jason---- I tried it as well,,and it didn't work for me either!   ----Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:19:47 EDT   Hi Preston--- Nor did that revision work for me.   ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:23:37 EDT   In a message dated 5/15/99 10:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jason@johannus-norcal.com writes:   << http://www.gulfcst.com/eorg-1/ >> Jason:------it didnt work either,,,nor was it blue,,,however if it were blue,,,"hyperlink" it would probably work,,I keep getting back,,,"file not found on this server" ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:28:19 EDT   ............I have this piece, and yes it should be a bass clef. If you play it the way it's written with the treble clef, not only will it be very difficult, but it will sound off, very off............   Carlo   p.s. Bravo to you Jason, it's a awesome piece!!!!!     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:22:19 -0700   I'm sorry, Roc ... the first e-mail I sent had one wrong character in it. The next one was correct, but the "L" in lower case looks like a "one" so putting it in all caps makes it easier to read. The correct web site address is:   http://www.gulfcst.com/EORG-L/   The problem I had before was that I typed the "L" in lower case as a "one" (1) ... that will go nowhere in a hurry.   Jason   ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com   ---------- >From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list >Date: Sat, May 15, 1999, 9:10 PM >   >Jason---- > I tried it as well,,and it didn't work for me either! > >----Roc > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers 32D From: OrganMD@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:38:06 EDT   Hi....   As a Rodgers tech I can tell you that a model 32 is most likely 30 years old. There is some borrowing between the Great and Choir. Parts should still be available. As to the sound, well it sounds like a Rodgers of the technology of 30 years ago.   Hope that this helps you.   Bill Hesterman  
(back) Subject: Mc Dowell From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:33:40 +0800 (CST)   Alexander Schreiner put out a collection of organ pieces for small organs (not his three volume series, by the way)   and one of the pieces therein is a Mc Dowell piece from Woodland Sketches....   As far as I know, the collection is still in print via Belwin-Mills-Warner Bro- Coca Cola....     Best wishes to all       Morton Belcher  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99 From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:39:59 -0500   I'm glad to hear from another on this list that is cognizant/respectful of US copyright laws. I was beginning to think I was a lone voice...   Rod Murrow   "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" wrote:   > Dear Folks: > > Before we continue to break copyright laws, let me state the the George > Wright "God Rest Ye" IS published! I have had a printed copy of the > music for seveal years. > > If you would like me to check on the publisher, I would be glad to. > > But, please don't suggest that we should duplicate music at the slightest > whim. It is usually breaking the copyright laws. > > Sincerely, > > Tom Gregory > First Baptist Church > Waukesha WI USA    
(back) Subject: EORG-L From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:41:05 -0700   Hi everyone,   I'm sorry my first typo has led to so much confusion. Forget the earlier e-mails and try this one.   To access the web site, click this: http://www.gulfcst.com/eorg-l/   To subscribe, send an e-mail to: requests@lists.gulfcst.com (just click on this and your e-mail program should open a new message with this in the TO field)   In the body of that e-mail, type the following syntax:   subscribe EORG-L abcd@aol.com Abc Jones   where "abcd@aol.com" is your own e-mail address and Abc Jones is your name .... don't put anything else in the body of the e-mail ... this should work.   If not, I'm going to have less hair by tomorrow! (PS, I checked it on my system just now)   Cheers, Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:43:28 -0700   Thanks, Carlo ... with the bass cleff it's the easiest measure in the piece, with the treble cleff it is definetly wierd!   Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com   ---------- >From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts >Date: Sat, May 15, 1999, 9:28 PM >   >...........I have this piece, and yes it should be a bass clef. If you play >it the way it's written with the treble clef, not only will it be very >difficult, but it will sound off, very off............ > >Carlo > >p.s. Bravo to you Jason, it's a awesome piece!!!!! > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Mc Dowell From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:48:25 +0800 (CST)         Alexander Schreiner put out a collection of organ pieces for small organs (not his three volume series, by the way)   just logged onto www.loc.gov and tracked down the exact title....   25 pieces for small organ.... J. Fischer, 1953   a very useful collection, in my humble opinion ---     and one of the pieces therein is a Mc Dowell piece from Woodland Sketches....   I think the piece is To a Wild Rose, but I can't be sure.... it is in A flat, I believe....   As far as I know, the collection is still in print via Belwin-Mills-Warner Bro- Coca Cola....     Best wishes to all       Morton Belcher   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: EORG-L electronic organs mailing list From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:57:33 EDT   Hi Jason,,, Thanks ---- It finally worked and I am aboard that list now,,   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99- copyright laws. From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:17:18 EDT   Cant we have one day on this list without the copyright issue coming up,,and up,,and up.?. Rod,,,you have spoken your piece,,,,and those that are gonna comply are already doing it I would think,,and those who are not,,,are not gonna for their very own reasons, and my guess would be that these people will risk the hell fire and damnation of the copyright cops! Political correctness has been carried way too far IMHO-----won't be long and we wont be able to breathe without worrying about starving some poor soul of oxygen! In my opinion,,,,,the copyright issue with copying printed music can't hold a candle to every kid in the world copying to MP3, CD, and cassette and whatever else every pop song that takes his/her fancy! Guess my taxes need to go up some more so that the copyright police staff can be increased by a couple thousand more,,,   Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #860 - 05/15/99- copyright laws. From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:07:48 -0500   Ooooo...sorry. Guess you'd rather see a minute-by-minute continuing debate on the debate of pipes vs electronic vs. toasters vs. trackers vs. analog vs. digital ...   I don't mean to "whip a dead horse" but I see people on this and every other list I belong to pass offers back and forth about sending copies of all kinds of music - and I see it in schools and churches (the worst offendors, in my opinion). Whenever I mention it at workshops or other gatherings, the excuses I hear people lift up as legitimate exemptions from THE LAW are laughable...and certainly NOT legitimate. Political correctness, by the way, has nothing whatsoever to do with this issue...it's the law of the land!   First you get permission - and if you get permission, then you copy. Otherwise, don't.   And yes, the kiddies out there with their CDs and cassettes are as much in violation of the law as everyone else - so where do you draw the line? When is it okay to break the law and when is it not? I'd love for someone to post the laws here that are okay for us to break.   I promise to NOT MENTION copyright laws for at least a week...   Rod Murrow   GRSCoLVR@aol.com wrote:   > Cant we have one day on this list without the copyright issue coming > up,,and up,,and up.?. Rod,,,you have spoken your piece,,,,and those that are > gonna comply are already doing it I would think,,and those who are not,,,are > not gonna for their very own reasons, and my guess would be that these people > will risk the hell fire and damnation of the copyright cops! > Political correctness has been carried way too far IMHO-----won't be long and > we wont be able to breathe without worrying about starving some poor soul of > oxygen! > In my opinion,,,,,the copyright issue with copying printed music can't hold a > candle to every kid in the world copying to MP3, CD, and cassette and > whatever else every pop song that takes his/her fancy! Guess my taxes need > to go up some more so that the copyright police staff can be increased by a > couple thousand more,,, > > Regards, > ---Roc