PipeChat Digest #866 - Monday, May 17, 1999
 
Re: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: temperaments
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@ukans.edu>
Re: AGO Certification
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: temperaments
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: BACH.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: ICQ?
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:28:10 -0500   At 03:44 PM 5/16/99 -0700, you wrote: >The e-minor ... Carlo responded that the 3rd measure should be the bass >cleff, which does make sense. How is the d-major toccata, is that a nice >piece? Yes, they're both quite impressive, if a bit bombastic. The E Minor Toccata has a bit more of a gripping quality to it, though. Anybody know anything interesting about Joseph Callaerts? He's a very small composer and there's not much written about him. I played his Intermezzo in Bb as an undergraduate and, after spending hours in the library, came up with only a teeny blurb that gave his dates and where he was born!       > >Jason >----------------------------------------------------- >Pray for peace, brotherly love and good will towards all! > >JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com > >---------- >>From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> >>To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >>Subject: Re: Toccata by Joseph Callaerts >>Date: Sun, May 16, 1999, 8:30 AM >> > >>At 08:31 PM 5/15/99 -0700, you wrote: >>>I was trying this toccata out a few minutes ago, it came with the Michelle >>>Leclerc toccata. There seems to be a printing error in the third measure. >>>Does anyone else have this piece and if so could you look at it? >> >>Jason, >>Which one...E Minor or D Major? >>Rob >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > Robert Horton - DMA Student, University of Kansas 1603 West 15th St. #207A, Lawrence, KS 66044 http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "What do you do if we see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant?"  
(back) Subject: Re: temperaments From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@ukans.edu> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:33:06 -0500   At 05:45 PM 5/16/99 -0700, you wrote: >Yes, yes, I know ... before the digital advocates jump in ... digital >organs CAN offer more than one tuning and/or voicing. But how do you >deal with the situation with a PIPE organ? I know the Fisk at Stanford >has some kind of gear-shift so it can play in more than one temperament >(or SOMETHING like that), but wasn't that HORRENDOUSLY expensive? Martin Pasi is going to install something similar in Kansas City soon, if Kevin Vogt has his way. Basically you have two separate sets of pipework, one tuned in equal, one tuned in meantone...controlled from one console. Yes, it's a ridiculous waste of money in my opinion. You're essentially paying for two organs but you can only use one at a time. Better to go with an Italian "Gabrieli" setup with a whole bunch of different organs all over the church!   >And how do you deal with playing with modern orchestral instruments? I >would LOVE to have an organ pitched at the older A=435, but I don't DARE >if I ever want to use instruments with the organ. Transposing keyboards? Though a transposing pedalboard would be a little clunky and would play havoc with the coupler mechanism...   Rob  
(back) Subject: Re: AGO Certification From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Mark, In 1997, I took the AGO Associateship Exam. I took more or less 4 months to practice and prepare (for the written, I reviewed a lot, but did not do intense study). I did practice my fingers off, though. I passed both the performance and written exam at the same testing time. That was one of the hardest exams I ever took (reminded me of why I'm glad I'm not in school anymore). But, I felt like I had really accomplished something. The AAGO means a great deal to me. It affirms for me and others that I do know what I'm doing. I'd say, GO FOR IT, Mark. --Neil Brown, AAGO, MMus Barnegat, NJ USA    
(back) Subject: Re: temperaments From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:53:34 -0400 (EDT)   >I don't know how you go about resolving the > question of temperaments in practice ... > certainly early music comes alive with the > earlier tunings ... but how do you deal with an > eclectic church organ and an eclectic service > that runs the gamut from Gregorian Chant to > George Oldroyd? To resolve this you use your ears! It's a matter of preference. Consider the statement: "early music comes alive with the earlier tunings" which indicates that more modern music does not sound as good with the earlier tuning. Conversely, more modern music comes alive with equal temperament, which would indicate that early music suffers. Something is going to sound different.   I have had no problem getting used to hearing Oldroyd on unequal temperament, most times it only sounds better. Most people can't really tell the difference, and only remark that the organ "sounds better" after tuning un-equal. When I was considering this the first time, I was playing a 50's Wicks 3/17. The D-major triad and C-major triads were awful, but not even the choir-director had complained. After removing all of the flue pipes for washing, I retuned the organ to a slightly modified Valotti temperament. The congregation immediately noticed that the organ "sounded better" and the choir director was please as well. It was not until I demonstrated imperfections that criticism was made about unequal temperament. The irony is that the first anthem played after the organ was tuned was Jane Marshall's "My Eternal King", in the key of D-flat! No complaints! Valotti is a relatively gentle temperament, but it does have four or five really beautiful keys; the others are okay; D-flat is delightfully "tense", as is A.   It is simply a matter of deciding which music you want to sound the best, and if the music that is "not the best" is still good. It is interesting that the b-minor Bach P&F sounds wonderful, except for the final B-major chords; but note that Bach gave these chords short duration! Reger is fantastic in unequal temperament, especially those endings when he seemingly uses all of the chords that he missed in the rest of the piece--my favorite characteristic of his.   Occasionally you may find that you will want to transpose a hymn into a purer key, some hymns, however, benefit from the un-equal tonaity. A gospel example favorite being, "I Love to Tell the Story" (Hankey). Written in A-flat, it is moderately tense in the stanzas, but when you get to the chorus in the text, "because I know 'tis true", the word "true" lands on a C-major chord which locks in and sounds, well, TRUE!! The hymn can be easily played in G, but that wonderful moment is lost. A more Episcopal example is "I am the Bread of Life" which is written in A-flat; I always play it in A because I think A-flat is too low--I understand the original key was B-flat (ouch). Most hymns now have been lowered which makes them dull and keeps the congregation from getting much volume, "Austria" comes to mind now in E-flat, was in F.   I secret, I guess, is findings an unequal temperament that enhances your favorite music the most, yet still contributes to the beauty and interest of other periods.   I have never had difficult with other instruments; although it has been so long since I've heard instrumentalists played consistently in tune, that it really isn't noticeable. Most instruments can adjust; I know I've done this as a cellist, and brass instruments and woodwinds have this capability as well.   >I would LOVE to have an organ pitched at the > older A=435 I'm not sure why, unless you have a recycled instrument that was built at that pitch. If you want something lower, just transpose.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:16:36 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Listers, I am happy to report that I successfully stumbled through Peter Planyavsky's Toccata alla Rumba today (2 times of course). My mistakes were absolutely flawless. I was playing the piece beautifully until Saturday evening, then it began to come unglued. Well, undaunted, I put the music on the music desk just in case, and plowed onward. Fortunately, my parishioners didn't know it wasn't up to par, they really enjoyed it, which surprised me since the piece is so 20th century. I love the piece and have fun playing it, but it wasn't too fun for me today. My fingers kept getting tangled (I'm sure that never happens to you all). I will wrap up the ToccataFest next Sunday with my own "HB Toccata." I'll let you know how it goes. This has been a most gratifying experiment. I thought surely I would hear all kinds of grumblings and mumblings, but to date have only received favorable comments. One question to my AGO colleagues, do you think this would be something of interest for AGO magazine? Have a good week in the Lord. --Neil Brown, Barnegat, NJ    
(back) Subject: Fw: BACH. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:37:51 -0500   There is a Lutheren church in Hollywood, Fl. that as I understand, plays nothing BUT Bach. They bought a new organ, and even had the trem IMMEDIATELY removed !!! Bach liked trems --he called them shakers.   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: ray ahrens <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:31 PM Subject: Re: BACH.     >I prefer the WTC 1+2 with Gustave Leonhard. Many of them. work well on the >organ > >>I was just wondering if any of you could survive on a Bach diet? > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: ICQ? From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:03:45 -0500   So - I downloaded the mIRC software (v 5.51, as recommended by mIRC) and have just spent the strangest half-hour - there are endless comings and goings, bizarre methods of kicking and slapping people around with keyboard commands, and precious little dialog of any kind that I can see - just constant messages about who has entered and who has left the "chat" - seems pretty useless to me.   Are the pipechat people more organized than that on the Mon/Fri sessions? I'll plan on witnessing at least part of it - and can only hope to learn my way around the program a bit. Basically, do you just type a question/answer/response in that space at the bottom of the screen? Some of that stuff goes by awfully quickly ... speed reading never was my forte.   See you tomorrow evening I hope.   Rod Murrow   Myosotis51@aol.com wrote:   > Better yet, why not sign on to Pipechat no Monday and/or Friday nights? You > can go through ICQ (instructions on the Pipechat homepage, > <A HREF="http://www.pipechat.org/">The PipeChat List Home Page</A> , or go > through the web at > <A HREF="http://irc.pipechat.org:8080/">Pipechat IRC</A> . I use the web > link - only one click of the mouse and I'm there.    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:08:07 -0400 (EDT)     >I am happy to report that I successfully > stumbled through Peter Planyavsky's Toccata > alla Rumba today (2 times of course). My > mistakes were absolutely flawless. congrats. sounds like you've had a fun month. we all have our days... just use them as a learning experience. After all, (as Scarlett says....) tammarrasanuthaday!   >=A0=A0 This has been a most gratifying experiment. > I thought surely I would hear all kinds of > grumblings and mumblings, but to date have > only received favorable comments. Now that you've got them interested, do a month of improvisations, baseing them on appropriate Scripture passages of the day!=A0=A0 Today my postlude was an improvisation based on Luke 24:51-53 : "....While he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven. And they returned to Jerusalem with great joy, and were continually in the temple blessing God." It was lots of fun, and several people mentioned that they liked following the "ascending" trumpet stop and liked the "high pitched" joyful return to Jerusalem (I used the Cymbale). I was surprised at how much interpreting they heard in the organ.   > One question to my AGO colleagues, do you > think this would be something of interest for > AGO magazine? I would think so, but in order to make it of general interest it should be expanded and elaborated in concept, and very well written. Them's picky folks! Good luck.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a dog wants to hang out the "Do Not Disturb" sign, as all of us do now and then, he is regarded as a traitor to his species. -- Ramona C. Albery    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:14:37 -0700   You are a brave soul, N Brown. The Planyavasky's Toccatta alla Rumba has been sitting over to the side.... really want to play it .. maybe next year! Congratulations   Sand Lawn -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:18 PM Subject: ToccataFest, Round #3     Dear Listers, I am happy to report that I successfully stumbled through Peter Planyavsky's Toccata alla Rumba today (2 times of course). My mistakes were absolutely flawless. I was playing the piece beautifully until Saturday evening, then it began to come unglued. Well, undaunted, I put the music on the music desk just in case, and plowed onward. Fortunately, my parishioners didn't know it wasn't up to par, they really enjoyed it, which surprised me since the piece is so 20th century. I love the piece and have fun playing it, but it wasn't too fun for me today. My fingers kept getting tangled (I'm sure that never happens to you all). I will wrap up the ToccataFest next Sunday with my own "HB Toccata." I'll let you know how it goes. This has been a most gratifying experiment. I thought surely I would hear all kinds of grumblings and mumblings, but to date have only received favorable comments. One question to my AGO colleagues, do you think this would be something of interest for AGO magazine? Have a good week in the Lord. --Neil Brown, Barnegat, NJ     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:18:32 -0400 (EDT)   thanks Bruce.    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:20:32 -0400 (EDT)   Sand, It's not a hard piece, really. My fingers just weren't cooperating today. But thanks, just the same. You should learn it!!! IT's so FUUNNN!! --Neil