PipeChat Digest #868 - Tuesday, May 18, 1999
 
Re: Bach for Therapy.......
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions...
  by "Rick \"OrganPlayer\" Locher" <rick.locher@gte.net>
Fw: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: 2nd Baptist - Houston
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: sound on web site
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: sound on web site
  by "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Rodgers, Ruffati, Stinkens, etc.
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Fw: name that organ.....
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: 2nd Baptist - Houston
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
N. Browns Toccatas
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: sound on web site(long)
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: sound on web site
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: N. Browns Toccatas
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: N. Browns Toccatas
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: N. Browns Toccatas
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: the integrity of older organs
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Bach for Therapy....... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:44:39 -0400 (EDT)   >Equal temperament isn't perfect - if you play f > & a together (above middle c works best) you > will find a "wolf" (only a small one mind).   Oh! You mean a wolf "pup"!!!   aroooOooooOoooooOooooOoooOooooOoooo   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:54:11 -0500   Neil Brown wrote:   >Dear Listers, I am happy to report that I successfully stumbled through >Peter Planyavsky's Toccata alla Rumba today (2 times of course). My >mistakes were absolutely flawless.   I'm glad to hear that you played the Planyavasky, which I have recently acquired but haven't yet learned. It would be neat at some point in the service that Sunday to sing "Spirit Divine, Attend Our Prayers" (#325 in the Presbyterian Hymnal) or some other hymn set to the tune (Nun Danket All' und Bringet Ehr) that is featured in throughout the piece, especially in the pedal on p. 5, and then to put a note in the bulletin reminding people to listen for the hymn in the toccata.   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions... From: "Rick \"OrganPlayer\" Locher" <rick.locher@gte.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:09:47 -0500   Virgil also said, "The purists are the ones who talk about but can't do it!" Rick Locher ----- Original Message ----- From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:27 AM Subject: Re: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions...     > Point well taken Carlo. > My favorite quote of Virgil's is: > "Musical Purists are barnacles on the ship of Music". > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Fw: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:18:38 -0500   I find much pleasure in playing transcriptions. It's a welcome break from the usual fodder, and is fun to use selected voices from a TO to create orchestral arrangements.   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro <concert_organist@hotmail.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:11 AM Subject: Virgil's opinion on transcriptions...     >good morning, > > I read an interview with Virgil Fox, and his opinion on >transcriptions is as follows: "......these pieces were written for violins, >horns and tenors, but I chose to play them on my medium....." He was a great >man and had an opinion about almost everything having to do with music. He >did so much for the organ world and I respect his opinion. Virgil's name >carries a little more weight than the organist who originally made the >comment to me about transcriptions. There are purists out there who don't >play transcriptions at all. To each his own. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd Baptist - Houston From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:04:02 -0700   Second Baptist, Houston, also has a 2/15 Visser-Rowland tracker organ in one of the smaller chapels. I wonder if this ever used.   Sand        
(back) Subject: Re: sound on web site From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:35:49 -0700   Hi,   I don't know how to add sound ... do you have someone you use for your web site or do you do it yourself?   Thanks. Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com   ---------- >From: "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com> >To: <organchat@onelist.com> >Subject: sound on web site >Date: Sat, Mar 13, 1999, 9:20 AM >   >Hi, >I now have sound on my web site. On the CD page You can hear samples of >Charles Callahan's two CDs'- Invocation and Charles Callahan Plays. He >recorded them on the Organ of the Church of the Holy Family in NY city. >There is also a CD of organ duets and a CD for 2 pianos. On the new release >pages you can hear samples of some of the new issues from MorningStar, >Shawnee Press, Intrada with more to come. The new release pages include >organ and piano music suitable for concert and church services. >To listen to the samples you need to download Realaudio G2 (older versions >will not work). I have a link to their site. It is free. After you >download it, you need to find it on your hard drive and click on it to >install it. Then you are set to listen. >If you have anyproblems please let me know. >Happy listening, >Thanks, >Brenda Durden Publishing >The Frantic Organist Music Shop >www.franticorganist.com > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: sound on web site From: "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:49:29 -0700   I use RealAudio Producer Plus G2 which runs about $145. It is very easy to use. I can either bring in a tape deck and plug it into my sound card or use the CD rom in the computer. Brenda The Frantic Organist -----Original Message----- From: Jason McGuire <jason@johannus-norcal.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 2:39 PM Subject: Re: sound on web site     >Hi, > >I don't know how to add sound ... do you have someone you use for your web >site or do you do it yourself? > >Thanks. >Jason >----------------------------------------------------- >Pray for peace, love and good will towards all! > >JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com > >---------- >>From: "B. Durden" <brendadurden@franticorganist.com> >>To: <organchat@onelist.com> >>Subject: sound on web site >>Date: Sat, Mar 13, 1999, 9:20 AM >> > >>Hi, >>I now have sound on my web site. On the CD page You can hear samples of >>Charles Callahan's two CDs'- Invocation and Charles Callahan Plays. He >>recorded them on the Organ of the Church of the Holy Family in NY city. >>There is also a CD of organ duets and a CD for 2 pianos. On the new release >>pages you can hear samples of some of the new issues from MorningStar, >>Shawnee Press, Intrada with more to come. The new release pages include >>organ and piano music suitable for concert and church services. >>To listen to the samples you need to download Realaudio G2 (older versions >>will not work). I have a link to their site. It is free. After you >>download it, you need to find it on your hard drive and click on it to >>install it. Then you are set to listen. >>If you have anyproblems please let me know. >>Happy listening, >>Thanks, >>Brenda Durden Publishing >>The Frantic Organist Music Shop >>www.franticorganist.com >> >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:28:28 PST       Daryl Robinson wrote about Rodgers pipe organs:   > The worst one is at Second Baptist in Houston. I mean its one thing to > have the largest organ in a city like Houston but its another to have a > big pile of doo doo like Second does. in fact the other day I called about > practicing there and they told me that the left two sections of the organ > were not playing the pipes were dead. The organ is in four cases across > the front of the room. It's 191 ranks but about 60 work at one time even > Diane Bish hates it (not that that means anything though!)     I have been in contact with our dealer in Houston, who shows this instrument regularly to potential clients and is a close friend of the organist. The report you posted is not at all true. The instrument is working very well (although it is only used for two or three hymns a service - - - the orchestra and two concert grands are the normal fare for Sunday services).   Why you received this report is a mystery to me. It could be that Second Baptist does not want to open their instrument up for practice, or it could be that someone gave you bad information.   Whatever the reason, it is not at all true. In fact, the organ is under a regular maintenance contract with a very good pipe organ technician.   As far as Diane Bish's feelings about the instrument, I haven't spoken to Diane in a few years. The last time I did, however, she was positive about the sound and performance of the instrument. The only negative she shared was the fact that the combination action crashed moments before her concert at the AGO National Convention a few years back. This was obviously quite distressing, however, she played beautifully even given the difficulties and the instrument hasn't had any more problems since then.   You might remember Fred Swann dedicated this instrument; his concert was featured on Pipe Dreams. Both Fred and Michael Barone gave the instrument rave reviews and Fred still plays it from time to time.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   Warranty void if tagline removed.    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers, Ruffati, Stinkens, etc. From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:37:59 PST       Bud/burgie wrote:   > I was under the impression that when the Rodgers-Ruffati marriage fell > apart, Rodgers started buying their pipes from an American supplier. The > few pipe-combo installations I did for them, the pipes were not of the > highest quality.   You could have worked on a few which had pipework from Wicks. This was the case for a short period of time, especially with smaller complements.   Although it cost a lot less to get pipes from Wicks (especially when you considered freight and import costs), the quality was not always consistent.   The bulk of combination organs use pipework from Stinkens and Laukhuff, to much better result.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   The trouble with the rat-race is that even if you win you're still a rat.    
(back) Subject: Re: choir/great transfer....Rodgers/Baldwin transfer From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:35:50 PST       Neil Brown wrote:   > Mark, I've been curious. Does Rodgers manufacture their own pipes? > Especially I refer to the pipe-only installations you mentioned. Just > something I've been wondering for a while. --Neil   We've used a variety of manufacturers over the years, although, at one time, we did have a pipe shop in Erie, Pennsylvania.   Currently, we used Stinkens, Bob Schopp, Organ Supply and Laukhuff for the bulk of our instruments. All of the scales and specifications are done in house.   I think that Laukhuff and Stinkens did the vast majority of pipework for the large pipe instruments I mentioned last week. Hope this answers your question.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.    
(back) Subject: Fw: name that organ..... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:57:06 -0500   An 80s episode of the Incredible Hunk -er Hulk, showed a vaudville scene with a TO. Some big green thing soon made havoc of the theatre.   There was a commercial back in the 80s advertising a "Moonlight Madness Sale" for something. Anyhow, they showed a lighted TO in a dimly-lit theatre with someone playing and a voice-over like Uncle Drac.   Back in the 70s, Bill McMains advertised a hand-held organ (no flames please) that anyone could play. Bill was seated at the Lorin Whitney Robt.-Morton.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:27 AM Subject: Re: name that organ.....     > >And while we're looking at movie organs... > >Last Friday I saw "Some like it hot" with Lemmon, Curtis and Marilyn Monroe. > >In the beginning part is a funeral parlor which shows pipe organ and >"organist" which has a stop that opens a wall to a speak-easy! >The sound track was unmistakably Hammond, however the organ looked fairly >real. Anyone have any info on this? > >Then several weeks ago I screened a "muppet-look-alike" film made in New >Zealand called "here come the Feebles!" The film was hilarious albeit >VERRRY ADULT oriented. Definitely NOT family fare! >However, it opened with the group doing a an openening number on stage >accompanied by what looked like some sort of theatre organ mock-up. (This >part was very clean and wholesome). I wonder what motivated the the >artistic director to use a pipe organ scene. ( Oh I can see the minds going >now..... :-) > >John V > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd Baptist - Houston From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:58:34 -0500   Dennis Goward wrote: > > > Actually, having heard the old Casavant, I think it's a blessing in > Good point. A builder designs an organ as an ensemble instrument. Simply > adding more sound is not a guarantee of improvement.   This raises an extremely good point. In all this discussion of enlarging instruments and creating behemoths we have been told that the existing instrument is ineadquate. This may well be the case, but it does not follow that a larger instrument will be any more adequate if it has the shortcomings of the old one. The core of any good organ is its Great chorus, which might consist of a single three stops:   8' Principal 4' Octave 2' Mixture (or separate 2' and higher pitched Mixture)   In a properly designed organ this will be able to fill the building and create an adequate forte, to which a reed or two, perhaps a second Mixture, etc. can be added to produce a fortissimo. This should be true whether the building seats 20 or 2,000. Now the scaling and voicing will be very different in a building seating 2,000 from one seating 20 and the chorus that would do the job in one building will not necessarily do it in another -- even when the stop names are the same. In building an adequate instrument for any size building to replace an inadequate instrument in the same building, the size of the instrument is of very little importance. What matters is the character, voicing, scaling, etc., of the individual stops and the way they relate to one another in the overall design of the instrument.   In this connection people often cite the 1881 Willis tracker-action nave organ at St. Paul's Cathedral in London. This has the following specification:   GREAT 8' Open Diapason 8' Lieblich Gedact 4' Principal 2' Fifteenth III Rks. Fourniture (added by Noel Mander)   SWELL: 8' Open Diapason 4' Gemshorn 8' Cornopean   PEDAL: 16' Bourdon   This is so effective, even in the massive building, that it has often been mistaken, even by professional organists, for the 100+ stop 5-manual main organ.   John Speller, St. Louis, Missouri.  
(back) Subject: N. Browns Toccatas From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:04:22 -0500   Neil... I thought it funny to hear your 'mistakes were absolutely flawless'. STRIVE FOR PERFECTION --that's what I always say. Loved it +ACE-   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net Cuckoo clocks make great wedding gifts      
(back) Subject: Re: sound on web site(long) From: DEMPAR1@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:27:08 EDT   Hi Jason and list. I am answering your question on the list in hope that the information might help others as well. Web site sound files are very simple to do. There are two basic ways. First and simplest, you can add a wave file to the page by simply adding a line of code to the top of the page in the headder. If you would like to copy that code from the page I produced for ATOS Magnolia chapter (http://atos.stirlingprop.com), you are more than welcome to do so. Of course you need to have a .WAV sound file available in the home directory where your web page is located. More about that in a moment.   The second method is to use a streaming program where the file downloads as it plays. I have tested a program called EMBLAZE AUDIO which works well. Streamed files do not have absolutely pure quality when done this way. Neither of the methods mentioned above require the user to download a plug-in for their browser. If you use a streaming program such as REAL AUDIO, or if you use MP3 files, the user needs an add-on piece of software to play these.   For making the sound files I use DART CD RECORDER software made by DARTECH, Inc. You can download it from download.com and it costs around $50 to legally register it. This works similar to Windows Sound Recorder but it enables you to record a file that exceeds 60 seconds in length. After you record the file with DART, you can compress it with a program called MP3-Producer by Opticom. It does excellent WAV compressions without drastically altering or distorting your highs and lows. Hope this helps you.  
(back) Subject: Re: sound on web site From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:03:36 -0700   Brenda,   How is the sound quality if you use the CD rom in the computer to input to the file? Does it result in a file which produces sound like that recorded on the CD (audio quality) or is it more a "sample/sort of" type sound?   Thanks. Jason ----------------------------------------------------- Pray for peace, love and good will towards all!   JOHANNUS of Northern California http://www.johannus-norcal.com     >I use RealAudio Producer Plus G2 which runs about $145. It is very easy to >use. I can either bring in a tape deck and plug it into my sound card or >use the CD rom in the computer.  
(back) Subject: Re: N. Browns Toccatas From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:06:09 -0400 (EDT)   Thank you Rick. If I don't inject a bit of humor in my serious attempts to serve the Lord, I would go stark raving crazy. I'm glad you got a chuckle. Would I be considered arrogant if I said my philosophy? "I strive for perfection, but I must settle for excellence." --Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO    
(back) Subject: Fw: N. Browns Toccatas From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:53:09 -0500   My philosophy is "Strive for perfection, and if it works, I'm amazed".   -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 11:07 PM Subject: Re: N. Browns Toccatas     Thank you Rick. If I don't inject a bit of humor in my serious attempts to serve the Lord, I would go stark raving crazy. I'm glad you got a chuckle. Would I be considered arrogant if I said my philosophy? "I strive for perfection, but I must settle for excellence." --Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: N. Browns Toccatas From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:42:11 -0500   My own philosophy: "I just do the best I can with what I have to work with."   It applies in a lot of situations...   Rod Murrow   VEAGUE wrote:   > My philosophy is "Strive for perfection, and if it works, I'm amazed". > > -----Original Message----- > From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: N. Browns Toccatas > > Thank you Rick. If I don't inject a bit of humor in my serious attempts > to serve the Lord, I would go stark raving crazy. I'm glad you got a > chuckle. > Would I be considered arrogant if I said my philosophy? "I strive > for perfection, but I must settle for excellence." > --Neil Brown, MMus, AAGO    
(back) Subject: Re: the integrity of older organs From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 04:38:00 EDT   In a message dated 5/15/99 1:08:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << It should be written into every organist's contract that he/she has to LIVE with an instrument for AT LEAST a couple of years before contemplating ANY changes. >>   Now THIS I totally disagree with- I think back to that "thing" they called an organ in Pittsburgh and still get hives! There is a perfect example of a potentially wonderful church job for any church musician but the MAIN ingredient to the success of that position (the ORGAN) is sorely lacking, unmusical and VERY difficult to play service music or accompany. Though I am gone almost a year from that position I still am saddened that the church doesn't have better for their music. They certainly deserve better than what the designer and builder threw in there in 1963 and saddled them with for, probably, the remainder of time.   Scott Foppiano