PipeChat Digest #873 - Thursday, May 20, 1999
 
Re: Vierne's 6th symphony:  Scherzo & Final
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
ADMIN POSTING: Language
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist.......
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: REQUEST..................
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Solid State Relay
  by "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com>
Re: Fw: Fw: accompanying silent films
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: REQUEST..................
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: Old Moller Chest problems
  by "vjmoore" <moorehse@midwest.net>
Chicago Area  Silent Film (x-posted)
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Pipeorg-L police Needed!!!
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
5 finger discounts on pipe ranks
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Vierne's 6th symphony...
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist.......
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Summer Sign-off
  by "Robert Horton" <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist.......
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist.......
  by <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Wanamaker group
  by "Robert Ridgeway" <ridgeway@ais.net>
Re: ToccataFest...can you take a scherzo?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #859 - 05/15/99, pipes and digital
  by "Paul Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Vierne's 6th symphony: Scherzo & Final From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:47:57 PST     Lew,   Great stories, thanks! I especially love the glimpse of Virgil.   The Scherzo seems perfect for a Halloween concert.   Mark     > Dear Mark & List > > I was practicing these very two pieces this afternoon. Yes, they are real > "bears," especially the Scherzo, which bristles with accidentals and > unusual intervals. While the execution of the notes is difficult enough, > Vierne notated some passages in remote keys such as E sharp and B sharp! > How much easier if they had been noted in plain old F Major & C Major > instead, but those are the rules of harmonic notation for you. I well > remember Virgil Fox saying that he wished that he had recorded the piece > when it was in his fingers many years before. He started into the Scherzo > and, after a few bars, stopped and said, "Oh, Brother, I don't know that > this one's worth the trouble!" > > The Final is great fun, rather like Warner Brothers come to Notre Dame, > what with the syncopations and jazzy chords. The pedal scales at the end > are a gas. I once had the opportunity to play for Maurice Durufle, who > gave the premiere of this symphony. A group of us were playing his own > pieces for him (it befell me to perform the Toccata from the Suite Op. 5). > How I wish there had been enough time to go through the Final from the > Vierne for him, but it was not to be. > > Lew Williams > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   From Dave Barry's '25 Things I Have Learned in 50 Years': 'The badness of a movie is directly proportional to the number of helicopters in it.'    
(back) Subject: ADMIN POSTING: Language From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:26:26 -0700   Hi everyone,   Several people are forgetting their manners on this list. Enough of the name calling and the bad language. If you are not able to be civil to your fellow list members, you will be removed from the list by either David or myself.   If you are not sure what our guidelines are, please refer to our webpages at http://www.pipechat.org/   Thank you to all those who do know how to conduct themselves,   in anticipation of your cooperation (remember "be kind to one another")   Pete!   Dr. Peter Pocock Co-Owner and Administrator, PipeChat      
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist....... From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:41:40 EDT   Dear Daryl, Carlo, Mark Huth, We have seen more than one organ, pipe, combination, all electronic, glass harmonica , which was not built right, installed right, regulated right, tuned right, positioned right, put in the wrong building, by the wrong personnel, by the wrong congregation or denomination, for the wrong purpose, for the wrong literature, by the wrong organist. I have never seen so much discussion over one organ in my lifetime to generate so much animosity. This organ does not deserve the kind of attention it is getting. Actually no organ deserves this kind of attention good or bad. I can assure you, that in any of our lifetimes or the balance thereof, we will discover another organ which will generate as much dislike but deserve little comment. In reality only one organ has generated somewhat the same amount of press and that is Scott Foppiano's Shrine organ which based on it' s historic value was justified. Sincerely> Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: Re: REQUEST.................. From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:21:31 EDT   Daryl, Reading from the back of a CD "Pomp & Pipes!" with Frederick Fennell and the Dallas Wind Symphony recorded at the Meyerson Center, I would suggest any of the following: Praise the Lord with Drums and Cymbals - Karg-Elert Allelujah! Laudamus Te - Alfred Reed (a god in the band world) Grand Chorus in Dialogue - Gigout The Vikings - Arthur Wills The Power of Rome and the Christian Heart - Percy Grainger (at least a demigod to band people, but I call this piece ...and the music going nowhere) Heroic Poem - Dupre (well, you know all about him) Pebble Beach Sojourn - Ron Nelson Lord, Save Thy People - Ron Nelson and don't forget... Polka and Fugue from "Schwanda the Bagpiper" - Weinberger   The recording is worth owning: Reference Recordings RR-58CD. It's available through Walking Frog Recordings, a company that specializes in band recordings. It's a division of C.L. Barnhouse Publishing Co. of Oskaloosa IA. I don't have the address handy, but if you're interested I can look for it.   Hope you find something useful here. I did the Weinberger with one of our bands here at the U of Iowa a couple years ago, and it was great fun. They're all good pieces on this recording and I guess you could call Fennell the father of the wind symphony. Maynard Cuppy  
(back) Subject: Solid State Relay From: Jon Roussos <Jon.Roussos@trw.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:30:12 -0700   Hello all, I have just rejoined the list after several months absence.   I am in the process of trying to resurrect a six rank unit organ which will involve rewiring the console.   Some months ago, there was a mention on this list of a company, I believe it was located in New Jersey, which makes a reasonably priced solid state relay/ combination action. I have misplaced the information on this company. Is there anyone who might suggest the name of the company.   The system they sell consists of separate input and output boards with a central processor board. The system is also programmable by the user.   Thanks for any help. Jon Roussos  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: accompanying silent films From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:41:25 -0500   >The silent scores I have are origional copies from the 20s for any film with >appropriate weepy and drippy scenes. No particular films are mentioned. > >Rick V. > >Thanks for the clarification, Rick. I think we have a collection like >that in our university music library, unless they've thrown it out. Bet >there were a lot of tremulous diminished seventh chords for the >suspenseful parts.   Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: REQUEST.................. From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:50:10 EDT   Daryl, Decided to pursue the matter a little further and look up Walking Frog Records, in case you or anyone else is interested. Incidentally, the publishers, but not addresses, are listed in the liner notes to the CD. You can order it from their web site: www.walkingfrog.com or Walking Frog Records, PO Box 680, Oskaloosa IA 52577.   I also satisfied my curiosity about the name of the company. You have to agree it's unusual. It came, apparently, from the name of a piece by Karl L. King, the March King. C.L. Barnhouse is a major publisher of King's music.   Maynard  
(back) Subject: Re: Old Moller Chest problems From: vjmoore <moorehse@midwest.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:52:46 -0500   At 04:44 PM 5/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Mr. JC Moore, > If you want a private reply you'll have to include an address. > However, I saw your post last night and assume you didn't get any >answers so tried again. > My church has a 1923 Moller. I'm no technician, but I do know that it > Sorry its moorehse@midwest.net>    
(back) Subject: Chicago Area Silent Film (x-posted) From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:40:58 -0500   On Sunday May 23rd at 2:30 PM The Silent Film Society of Chicago and The Pickwick Theatre presents the silent classic "College" with Buster Keaton and Ann Cornwall. Photoplay accompaniment by Dennis Scott on the Pickwick's original installation WurliTzer pipe organ. Pickwick Theatre is at 5 S. Prospect in Park Ridge, Illinois. In addition to the main feature a short comedy "The Garage" starring Fatty Arbucle is included. Tickets days of show $10...for additional in formation and advance ticket prices call (847) 825-5800      
(back) Subject: Pipeorg-L police Needed!!! From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:02:13 EDT   Is this a Southern Baptist debate??   Where are the Pipeorg-L police when we need them??? Tehehehe >:-}   Stan Krider   Daryl Robinson recently wrote: >Hey Carlo, smart ass, let me tell you that what I am telling you is from And then...   Carlo recently wrote >the next person who calls me a "smart ass" will regret it.  
(back) Subject: 5 finger discounts on pipe ranks From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:02:12 EDT   Many unscrupulous classical (church) people also get into chambers. (would you believe what Ungodly things the "Godly" will do???) Tsk tsk! :-} One dear (NOT) chuech organist even had his organ technician (I use the term loosely) friend to revoice a beautiful Oboe stop into a loud Bronx Trumpet, if you get my drift!! When the church fathers found out about that, all hell broke loose!! I wish they would have carried some 8' shopping bags in that case!   Stan Krider   Rick VEAGUErecently wrote:   <Unfortunately, many unscrupulous TO people carry 32 -foot shopping bags with them, and whole ranks disappear!>      
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne's 6th symphony... From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:26:00 -0000   I have played the Final of Vierne's 6th for about 3 years. I worked on that thing off and on for about 5 years. I stuck to it because I really love that thing - as do the listeners. It had to be the hardest thing I have learned. Now I must resurrect it - once you have it, you don't want to lose it.   For all you old folks out there, I have already collected Social Security for a year.   JOHN (weak, but hanging in there)          
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist....... From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:49:48 -0500   Daryl Robinson wrote:   > Hey Carlo, smart ass, let me tell you that what I am telling you is from > first hand experiance from myself and Fred Swann and the other organist here > in Houston. If you don't wanna believe me don't I really don't care! O.K. so > theres my story and I'm stick'n to it, o-tay? > > Daryl   Are you the "other brother Daryl?" Methinks you are way out of line here on two fronts: (1) it's inappropriate to revert to name calling and (2) there are only about two or three people who care any longer what condition the organ at 2nd Baptist Houston is in.   Let it go...nobody cares. Rod Murrow      
(back) Subject: Summer Sign-off From: Robert Horton <gemshorn@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:57:18 -0500 (CDT)   Hello all, Having survived my first year as a doctoral student at KU and finished all my finals, I'm back "home" in Wilmette, IL. Gloria and I are looking forward to an enjoyable summer of duo-playing...anyone out there want to have us over to give a concert or two? If anyone has any leads on a used digital organ, we're looking to purchase one as a practice instrument...nothing fancy, just enough to learn notes. Finally, in the face of a "honeydew" list a mile long, I'm going to make life easy on myself and go NOMAIL for the summer.   Stay cool, and happy piping to all.   Robert Horton, DMA Student University of Kansas Organ and Church Music   http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist....... From: ROBIN88866@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:09:38 EDT   Hey folks-----we can do without the name calling!!!!!       Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organ of 2nd Baptist....... From: ROBIN88866@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:10:45 EDT   We do not need all this name calling and retaliatory commentary. Let's talk about organs and NOT call each other names.     robin  
(back) Subject: Wanamaker group From: Robert Ridgeway <ridgeway@ais.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:57:19 -0500   A few times in each person's life they are blessed to be a part of something really meaningful. Sometimes by accident they stumble into that event or many times they have worked very hard to create the circumstances that foster its birth......   All the participants who attended the first annual Symphonic Organ Society Symposium sponsored by the Friends of the Wanamaker Grand Court Organ held at the Lord & Taylor Department Store in Philadelphia will tell you that this was just such an event.   We all will not soon forget this serendipitous melding of diverse talents and personalities that yielded a great sharing of knowledge, comaraderie, and loving attention to the world's finest orchestral pipe organ. Our hosts Peter Van der Spek, Sam Whitcraft, Peter Conte, and Ray Biswanger could not have done more to make us feel welcome and appreciated. All attendees were seasoned professionals in the pipe organ field, and when you are seasoned it simply means that one always can learn more. Therefore we looked forward with great anticipation to this event.   The Wanamaker Grand Court Organ with all its attendant idiosyncrasies (It's on seven floors and Lord & Taylor only has convenient access to three, and you thought a church with an antiphonal was hard to deal with!) awaited us in all its grandeur and mystery. We use the term mystery advisedly for this aristocrat of pipe organs is the stuff of legends, both good and bad. Whether you prefer neo-baroque or the theatre organ, this grande dame will seduce you with her indescribable sound and sheer complexity.   We all labored very hard during this week that went by all too fast and for all of our group, to a man, what the Grand Court Organ gave us in return for our efforts will remain in our hearts forever.   The Participants:   Brantley A. Duddy James Gruber Charles Kegg Terry Kleven L. Curt Mangel III Sean O'Donnell Robert Ridgeway James Stemke Robert Swaney  
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest...can you take a scherzo? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:07:40 -0400 (EDT)   Randy, I hope you know I'm busting your chops! But whoever heard of scherzing in June? LOL Anyway I have had a bit of a disruption in my plans for the final toccata. I had a minor accident at my p/t job (2 paintings fell on my thumbs). Thumbs are bruised, not broken (praise to the Lord), so will have to see what I can put together for Sunday. The thought had crossed my mind to do a "Staccata Toccata", but I don't know. When in doubt, I'll improvise. I'll let the list know what I do. Til then, cheers, but no thumbs up!! --Neil Brown, Barnegat, NJ USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:24:20 -0400 (EDT)   No offense intended, Darryl. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:33:00 -0400 (EDT)   >> because the minister HATES the instrument and anything to do with it. <<     >>The story which is bantied about here (which may or may not be true) is that the Pastor was most interested in how the instrument's facade would look as a backdrop during TV broadcasts.<<   Both of which may contain a goodly measure of truth. I remember hearing a pastor in one fair city tell me more or less that pipe organs could not possibly contribute to someone's salvation. Of course, for 20+ years I have been proving him wrong. hehehehe -Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:47:26 -0700   When will this discussion about 2nd Baptist end? I always enjoy hearing messages about good organs and people who have had a good day of making music at church. Have a good Pentecost Sunday... hope lots of "tongues of fire" sing forth from your churches! Let's post more positive messages as N Brown does!   -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........       >> because the minister HATES the instrument and anything to do with it. <<     >>The story which is bantied about here (which may or may not be true) is that the Pastor was most interested in how the instrument's facade would look as a backdrop during TV broadcasts.<<   Both of which may contain a goodly measure of truth. I remember hearing a pastor in one fair city tell me more or less that pipe organs could not possibly contribute to someone's salvation. Of course, for 20+ years I have been proving him wrong. hehehehe -Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Pipe Organs........ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:51:56 -0400 (EDT)   SandLawn, I simply must protest your accusing me of being "positive." Today it was "swell", literally, but certainly not positive. --Neil P.S. thanks just the same. hehehehe    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #859 - 05/15/99, pipes and digital From: Paul Stapel <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:45:00 -0400     >Jason McGuire wrote: > >>are you limiting your discussion of digital organs to only Allen and >> Rodgers? >> >> Jason   To the list..   Speaking as a proud WICKS sales director here in upstate New York, may I remind you that the Walker Techologies digital pipe work surpasses the Allen/Rodgers and others beautifully. You gotta hear it to know why we can say this. WICKS isn't the only company to use Walker, but we now offer (in addition to custom pipe organs) total custom digitals with Walker sounds. Properly installed, even the most critical ears have a great deal of trouble determining which sounds are the real pipes (in a combination organ) and which are digitally reproduced. Check them out!!   Paul Stapel, 607 773 1495 Binghamton, NY     PS... WICKS builds many of the pipes for Rodgers in it's highly esteemed pipe building division.