PipeChat Digest #876 - Friday, May 21, 1999
 
Re: My apology and my new position......
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: slippery benches............
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Fw: slippery benches............
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: slippery benches............
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Fw: My apology and my new position......
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
suggestions for playing on a flat pedal board
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: The organs I've owned-still own, and sold.
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: suggestions for playing on a flat pedal board
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
More pipe organ No-Nos
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
Re: Baldwin Tower Speaker
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: My apology and my new position......
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: slippery benches............and recalcitrant lifts.
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Fw: BACH.
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: Fw: BACH.---Now Black Book!
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
RE: Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Recital fees
  by "John Ross" <j.ross@bigfoot.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: My apology and my new position...... From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:00:05 -0400 (EDT)   The boy definitely gets around! :) The organ at Moody is a brand new Schantz, anyway. VERY eenteresteenk. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: slippery benches............ From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:06:07 -0400 (EDT)   and to think that Mr. Borge is still giving us laughs after 43 years!!! He is so GOOOOOD. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Fw: slippery benches............ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:19:50 -0500   Well... thats showbiz !!!   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: slippery benches............     >Reminds me of a concert I went to many years > ago at the Detroit Fox. I don't know the extent of the truth of this story, but I used to hear it when I was in Houston. Seems that in Dallas there was to be an outdoor Easter sunrise service, with a rain-plan for a local theatre. As it happened it rained and the service was held in the theatre which was the home of a pipe organ. The organist had not counted on rain and so had not practiced on the theatre's organ. During the first hymn the organist was experimenting with various buttons and stops and happened to engage the lift which slowly conveyed the console below stage level. Not missing a beat, but forging ahead, found the reverse control and returned to the stage during the final stanza. I can't varify the tale, but it sure would be one for the grandkids!   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek   http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Fw: slippery benches............ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:27:01 -0500   There was one theatre where the lift kept rising and rising, and finally dis-lodged from its base. The shut-off tripper switch missed, and the console and lift were somewhat alist to the left. It took some engineering, but it was righted with no console or lift damage.   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: Frank Johnson <usd465@hit.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: Re: slippery benches............     >>Last weekend we went to a theatre organ concert by Ken Double in Rochester, >>N.Y. > > >> I think he said he had been in England. He sat down, started to play, >>and the console went up - and up - and up - and up. He says they hadn't >>really warned him about the whole picture. It went up about twenty feet in >>the air, turned 180 degrees, and when he finished the first piece and looked >>up he was looking straight at the first couple rows in the balcony! Said it >>scared him half to death! > > > I remember hearing Gaylord Carter at the Paramount Wurlitzer in >Wichita and he told a story of an organ that not only rose out of the >depths but also turned as it rose. He said he felt like toothpaste coming >out of a tube. > >Frank > >Frank R. Johnson (KA0API) >Spirit of New Orleans - clarinet/leader >http://www.hit.net/~usd465/ >1922 E. 14th >Winfield, KS 67156 > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Fw: My apology and my new position...... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:08:03 -0500   Possibly DR is assuming too much... or dreaming.     -----Original Message----- From: klein holz <gedeckt@usit.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 2:14 PM Subject: Re: My apology and my new position......     > > >Daryl Robinson wrote: > >> O.K. I would first of all like to a pologize... I would like to ask your >> help since I >> have just been apointed assitstant organist for Westminister Unt'd Methodist >> Church here in Houston. > >> I have been asked to help on the design of the organ >> and it currently stands as a 46 rank Casavnat ... > >The telephone # at Westminster is 713 782-7750. > >The volunteer who answered the phone a few minutes ago was a member of the >original organ committee and is a member of the choir. It appears there are no >plans to enlarge the instrument and there is no new assistant organist, merely >a substitute organist, DR. who appeared at choir last night and is to play >Sunday. > >The telephone # at the High School of the Visual and Performing Arts where DR >is a freshman is 713 952-1960. > >Possibly a call to the dean might be in order. After all he's in a position to >get this kid the help he needs with his spelling problems. Could he be sent >back to eight grade? > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: suggestions for playing on a flat pedal board From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:10:43 EDT   Daryl Robinson asks:   >Does anyone have any suggestions for playing on a flat pedal board...   Yes! Stay away from the edge! One might fall off...   Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: The organs I've owned-still own, and sold. From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:41 -0500   This has been an interesting thread.   I got my first organ, a Baldwin spinet, short manuals and a "left-footed" model with toothpick pedals (1 octave) - it was wonderful for a teenager in a small town of only about 250 people.   Haven't owned one since, but I'm searching like crazy now for a Rodgers or Allen that will fit (1) my pocketbook and (2) my living room.   Rod Murrow    
(back) Subject: Re: suggestions for playing on a flat pedal board From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:25:02 -0400 (EDT)   doesn't one play a flat pedal board with flat feet? 8-) neil    
(back) Subject: More pipe organ No-Nos From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:47:51 EDT     Carlo recently wrote: >I told the priest about it and he said there's a >lady that comes in once a week to dust and she likes to use lots of >'Pledge'. What a hoot. I can almost read the headlines now: Organist >sustains injuries during pedal solo---story at 11:00.   then Frank Johnson wrote:   >...spraying Pledge or whatever can drift onto contacts on organs and into >pianos. We were taught to never use a spray can around pianos and organs.   God bless those who try to help, but sometimes they do more harm than good. At one church where we service the pipe organ, the good ladies noticed the decades of accumulated dust and grime in the pipe chambers. They decided to surprise the congregation with a good cleaning job. Against all odds, they carried their buckets of warm, soapy water and washrags carefully up through the trap door, and washed everything in sight, not realizing that warm, soapy water would loosen the hot glue bonding the leather to the wood.   Every reservoir needed to be releathered after the ladies finished cleaning them.   Stan krider  
(back) Subject: Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design From: KriderSM@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:56:27 EDT   Daryl Robinson recently wrote:   >I have been asked to help on the design of the organ >and it currently stands as a 46 rank Casavnat and we are going to add on to >it 120 ranks but we are doing mostly Casavant for every thing except for the >reeds cuz they don't have enough bight to them so I choose Ruffatti. The >Ruffatti company is going to, along with adding new reeds...   I'd say replace all the Casavant reeds. They are too touchy, even though they sound nice.   >I think this will truely be a great instrument when we >get through but I am not sure as to how much volume the room itself can >hold. Like I said 46 is LOUD but 120 might just blow there little brains >out! Anyway I would just like a few opinions, comments, etc.   Loud is not always good. Look for a full, well-balanced sound.   > and what kind of Zymbelstern (spelling?) do you guys >suggeest?   I like a ZymbelStern in the Great organ, and in the Antiphonal organ I prefer ZymbelPort. ...especially after a major concert. Hohoho.   Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin Tower Speaker From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:57:25 -0500   that particular speaker was an "H 5", standing for 5 channel out put. A few years earlier they also offered an "UTC-3". It has spinning speakers and a 3 channel amp built in. I believe that the H-5 was available in 1979 or so.....possibly 1980.   Jon Bertschinger   Bud/burgie wrote:   > Check out http://theatreorgans.com/ads/wtsello.htm ... they have all sorts of > things. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Posthorn8@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi list > > > > Back in the 80's Baldwin made a speaker that was about 5' high and 2' wide. > > It had a speaker facing up out of the top, and had speakers facing out the > > front and sides too. These speakers were designed for the church line that > > Baldwin was building then. It could also be hooked up to the home line too > > (190, 191, Cinema III) > > > > I don't remember the model number of the cabinet. Does anyone remember, and > > do they know where one can be found? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: My apology and my new position...... From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:33:35 -0700   And it was a 3/57 Reuter before Shantz did the rebuild... never an Aeolian-Skinner!   -----Original Message----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 9:08 PM Subject: Re: My apology and my new position......     The boy definitely gets around! :) The organ at Moody is a brand new Schantz, anyway. VERY eenteresteenk. --Neil     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:33:00 -0700   This isn't a social chat room where one has to lie about things, invent things, make up things, stretch the truth, etc. in order to win friends and influence people. Quite the opposite happens when one DOES lie and one DOES get caught.   A modest example of how one goes about telling the truth:   My name is Bud Clark. I studied at Oberlin Conservatory, 1962-1965 under the tender (??!!@#$%^&*) tutelage of one Fenner Douglass. I quit to go to work (and to get away from him) for five years, finishing my bachelor's in organ performance in 1971 at Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music under the most excellent tutelage of Dr. Roberta Gary. Subsequently I had a GREAT time at Southern Methodist University for a year, but didn't bother to play the recital, so no master's degree. Bob Anderson gives FABULOUS parties (grin).   I served Roman and Anglican churches in the Deep South and Midwest before moving to California in 1976. I was a newspaper journalist for twenty years before taking early retirement due to disability.   I am currently more-or-less full-time choirmaster and organist at St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church, Newport Beach, CA. I have twelve singers in my choir; they're pretty good; they read well; and choir practice is a real Christian love feast (how about THAT for God's Frozen People??!!).I play a digital Hammond/Suzuki model 825 with TWO (count 'em) Leslie Spin-Dizzies (SciFi fans will recognize the reference ... for the rest ... Spin-Dizzies cause entire CITIES to levitate (grin) ); new church and organ due sometime in the year 2000 now, thanks to hassles with the zoning folks and the condo association across the street.   I am 55 years old; I live with my oldest foster son and my 16-year-old Sheltie/Collie, Baron. I am partially disabled due to arthritis; my son is also disabled. But I can cook (sitting down) and he can lift, so we get along just fine.   I have been consultant for several pipe organ projects; in a couple of cases, I recommended electronic organs. I have never built my "dream" organ. If the St. Matthew's project comes off, it will come close.   I am a member of Organ Historical Society; I have no use for the American Guild of Organists ... they have never found ME a job, and they send me substitutes who can't play hymns with both HANDS, never mind both FEET.   And that's the short version of Bud Clark ... SOME folks on this list should stop wasting our time and do the same!!! Sheesh!!   Cheers,   Bud the Boy Scout   I am an ultra-conservative curmudgeon in all things liturgical and musical, and damned proud of it.        
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: slippery benches............and recalcitrant lifts. From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:43:59 EDT   Hi List------ I once heard a story from a British Theatre Organist about a lift that had brought the console up, and during the performance,,troubles in the console ensued, doors were opened in the back with the tech mostly outta sight working on the innards of the console. After the fix was over, the tech left the doors open, when the organist took the console down, the doors caught, and tipped the console over on top of the organist, and yanked the control power for the lift, which stopped instantly. Serious damage to console, but none to the organist, he unloaded when he saw the console start to "lift" off its platform. Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: BACH. From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:59:14 -0500   geeze Dale.........tell it to the world.....they'll wonder what the black book is all about.....LOL   Jon Bertschinger   ProOrgo48@aol.com wrote:   > Jon, > > found your black notebook/service contracts "workbook" in the bench yesterday > morning, then TOTALLY forgot to mention or give it to you in the press of the > afternoon events. > > Please advise. It's in safe hands. > Dale > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: BACH.---Now Black Book! From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:16:18 EDT   Hi Dale---- Uh,,could you quick like check that black book,,,,I hear that Jon is a very good voicer,,,perhaps there are some "secret" methods of voicing buried in the depths of the book! HaHaHaHaHa,   Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: RE: Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:40:30 -0700   > Like I said 46 is LOUD but 120 might just blow there little brains > >out! Anyway I would just like a few opinions, comments, etc.   You want a comment? Re-read the statement quoted above. "Blow there (sic) little brains out!" If you were in fact employed by this congregation, your un-grammatical statement would show a disrespectful, ungrateful attitude. As a church musician, I may not always agree with my congregation and/or their leadership, but I would never publicly defame them like this.   If you don't learn to respect the people who allow you to practice your art, you're not going to get too far as a church musician.   Dennis Goward    
(back) Subject: Recital fees From: "John Ross" <j.ross@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:07:39 +1000   I need some advice about the level of fees paid to organ recitalists. My church (in Australia) has a first class 2 manual pipe organ installed a few years ago. I am receiving letters of interest from international organists who would like to include a recital here in their Australian tour itinerary. (I'm in a town within relatively convenient travelling distance of the large metropolitan areas.)   Currently there are two organists I am in contact with - one from Italy and one from USA. Both are obviously excellent players, with wide concertizing experience. However, they are not "big names". You couldn't go into your local CD shop and buy one of their recordings, for example. That said, I am sure they would present absolutely excellent concerts.   Can I get some sort of ballpark figure on what is commonly paid to concert organists?   Attendances at our organ recitals in the past (given by both Australian and international artists) have never drawn a full audience. However I am very, very keen to attract good players to our instrument and gradually build up support. A year or so ago I had to say "no" to an enquiry from one of the "big names". It would have been wonderful to have him play here, but his fee would have left the Church in a good deal of debt. The ticket prices needed to cover his fee would have ensured a tiny audience.   I want to bring top musicians here and pay them a fair fee. So, can I get an idea from those on this list as to how much (in US dollars) is reasonable for a recital ? Do you pay travelling expenses and accommodation? (By the way, I'm not proposing to pay travelling expenses from USA or Europe!)   John Ross j.ross@bigfoot.com