PipeChat Digest #878 - Saturday, May 22, 1999
 
Re: German anyone?
  by "Vincent Lefevre" <vlefevere@unicall.be>
Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Bach suggestions
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: request for copies!!
  by <ProOrgo48@aol.com>
Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Pentecost at Toms River FUMC
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: request for copies!!
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: ToccataFest.and BumThumbs
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
subllties
  by <ProOrgo48@aol.com>
Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: ToccataFest, Round #3
  by <ProOrgo48@aol.com>
Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Organ on TV Comercial
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Bach suggestions
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Organ on TV Comercial
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Bach suggestions
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Classic Arts Showcase (x-cross)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
hands crossing
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
...an all Bach diet.........
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: German anyone?
  by <HDKarras@aol.com>
Pentecost Program
  by <HDKarras@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: German anyone? From: Vincent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lef=E8vre?= <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:38:25 +0200     --------------CFD0C3E6EBFD69D89E004569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by diplo.antw.online.be id XAA25500   Carlo Pietroniro schreef:   > Hey gang, > > anyone out there know enough German to translate somet= hing for me? I have the words for "O Run Ye Shepherds" by Max Drischner a= nd I'd like them translated. Thanks! > > Carlo > > Hi Carlo   Send me the words and I'll try to help you Vincent vlefevere@unicall.be         -- =D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1     --------------CFD0C3E6EBFD69D89E004569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Carlo Pietroniro schreef: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hey gang, <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; anyone out there know enough German to translate something for me? I have the words for "O Run Ye Shepherds" by Max Drischner and I'd like them translated. Thanks! <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Carlo <p><b><i><font color="#FF0000"><a href="mailto:requests@pipechat.org">Hi Carlo</a></font></i></b></blockquote> <font color="#3333FF">Send me the words and I'll try to help you</font> <br><font color="#3333FF">Vincent</font> <br><font color="#3333FF">vlefevere@unicall.be</font> <br>&nbsp; <br><font color="#FF0000"></font>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <p>-- <br>&ETH;&Iuml;&agrave;&iexcl;&plusmn;&aacute; <br>&nbsp;</html>   --------------CFD0C3E6EBFD69D89E004569--    
(back) Subject: Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:10:39 -0700   Dear Paul,   T'was not fussing at YOU, friend (grin). The rapscally scalawag of a shirt-tailed lad I WAS referrering to Knows Who He Is, and what's more, We Know Where To Find Him (evil grin).   Cheers,   Bud   CHERCAPA@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Bud, Geez. Just figured I'd tell you that the stretched tuning chart > that Allen provides in their service manual for analog organs was sent to you > in the mail yesterday. Sorry it took so long but a friend of mine had the > manual and it took some time before we could get together. The truth was not > stretched here though. Sincerely, Paul > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99 From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:01:57 -0500   Bruce Behnke wrote: > > >I like a ZymbelStern in the Great organ, and in the Antiphonal organ I prefer > ZymbelPort > > I would suggest that maybe a little Zymbelstarboard might also be > appropriate but I am feeling a little sea sick at the moment.   Would these presumably come with little indicator lights to show when they are operating -- red for the Zimbelport and green for the Zimbelstarboard?   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach suggestions From: Pat Maimone <patmai@juno.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:58:39 -0400   Dear Mark and Pipechatters,   >So, now I'm wondering, which of all those wonderful remaining Preludes >and Fugues of JS Bach, should I learn next? I   Bach's A Minor and B Minor Preludes and Fugues are indeed wonderful. The G Major Prelude and Fugue (BWV 541) is delightful as is the virtuosic D Major!   The Fugue in E Flat Major (St. Anne) is a marvelous piece to play. I recommend it wholeheartedly!   Of the Trio Sonatas, I particularly enjoy the first movements of No. 5 in C Major and No. 6 in G Major.   Pat Maimone (recovering from a cracked rib...looking forward to returning to the organ bench this Sunday..) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99 From: "STRAIGHT " <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:05:40 -0400   Oh THAT'S what those little lights are on each side of my console that don't work. They come on when the creek rises! Diane - whose church is in a valley town where those 100 yr. floods have been coming about every 5 years lately.    
(back) Subject: Re: request for copies!! From: ProOrgo48@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:45:21 EDT   Unbelievable that the publishers don't keep "file" copies of their own publications from which to make photocopies for future customers!!!!!   Isn't it?  
(back) Subject: Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:53:00 -0400 (EDT)   Bud, nice bio. I'm sorry you don't hold AGO in high esteem. The group has been most beneficial for me. We in AGO are addressing the substitute situation. Around here, we don't recommend them unless they really can play. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT)   Music for the traditional services at First United Methodist Church, Toms River NJ, 5/23/99:   Pastor, Rev. Bruce Quigley Minister of Music/Organist, Neil Brown Combined Choirs: Sanctuary Choir (adult) and Singspirations (youth)--both services Fellowship Bells handbell choir   Prelude: "Festive Carillon" (H. Hopson), Fellowship Bells. Postlude: "The HB Toccata" (N. Brown)-- 4th/final installment of ToccataFest 1999. Hymns: "O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing">AMZON; "Crown Him With Many Crowns">DIADEMATA, with bell choir leading (sorry, I forget arranger, but it's yellow!!); "With One Church United" (I'm almost sure that's not the title)> ELLACOMBE   -- Peace to you all!! Neil Brown, AAGO, MMus Barnegat, NJ USA    
(back) Subject: RE: Assist Daryl (one R)'s organ design From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:08:13 -0400 (EDT)   Preach on, Dennis, preach on!! --Neil >> If you don't learn to respect the people who allow you to practice your art, you're not going to get too far as a church musician. <<    
(back) Subject: Re: request for copies!! From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:11:52 -0400 (EDT)   Rod, I'm confused. You do or don't need the Alice Jordan book? --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest.and BumThumbs From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:16:44 -0400 (EDT)   Bruce, got ya beat, kind sir. I was given a splint and ace bandage for my right thumb at ER Wednesday nite. I have been faithfully wearing it, except when I played for a special service yesterday, wedding today (at 2:30 pm no less), and when I practiced this evening. Thanks for your advice, nonetheless. You are right on the HB front. One can actually work a piece out of that tune!! --Neil    
(back) Subject: subllties From: ProOrgo48@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:18:51 EDT   Randy,   I loved your suggestion of ORA LABORA for Mother's Day Hymn of the Day. That really grabbed my funny bone!   Thanks,   Dale    
(back) Subject: Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:21:59 EDT   In a message dated 5/21/99 10:04:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Hymns: "O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing">AMZON; "Crown Him With Many Crowns">DIADEMATA, with bell choir leading >>   "O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing" I can buy that but......... "Crown Him With Many Crowns" on Pentecost?.... Aren't you a bit late or early.... Depending on your way of thinking?... I don't see this anywhere near being liturgically correct... As a matter of fact we did this last week, on the Sunday following the Ascension (also appropriate for Christ the King and during Easter), but on Pentecost??? I, for one would like to know -- WHY!   John A. Gambill, Jr. Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Lutheran Church Dallas, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest, Round #3 From: ProOrgo48@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:23:40 EDT   Of interest for the AGO magazine, YES!! Send it in!!  
(back) Subject: Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:40:15 -0400 (EDT)   O John, very simple reason. It involves the handbell choir who has been working on it since Easter break. And this is the final Sunday of the choir/bell season, so, as usual, I employ full music ministry resources on Pentecost. While it isn't truly liturgical--you are correct, it is a hymn concertato and I wanted to do it. We in the Methodist camp can get away with digressions from liturgical practice once in a while. It's going to be beautiful.   --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ on TV Comercial From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:45:24 -0400 (EDT)   >Perhaps Isuzu would be sensitive to a blizzard > of negative commentary?   >I think it is offensive to seniors, musicians, > builders, TO and "straight" organ people alike. Oh puhleaze, people! Was it Mae West who said she didn't care what they said as long as they were talking about her? Perhaps some person who sees the commercial will like the sound of the TO and decide to learn how to play.   If it's our image as organists that you're concerned about, consider what Isuzu will think of organists when we come off sounding like a bunce of whining and complaining PC fogies. I certainly don't want to be thought of in that way.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach suggestions From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:47:35 -0400 (EDT)   Mark, by all means, I suggest learning the St. Anne. Also, there's a nice Prelude in G (not attached to anything) I like--it's in the Dover Toccatas, Fantasias,,,, collection (brown cover). Sorry I can't recall BWV One year I took a vacation on Trinity Sunday and hoped to get to Madison Ave Presb Church in NYC. Well, I got there, but service was over. In the bulletin it showed John Weaver playing the St. Anne Fugue and explaining how its 3-part form "could" correlate to the Trinitarian theme of the day. I confess--I stole the idea and have played the fugue for several Trinity Sundays since. St. Anne is not overly difficult. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ on TV Comercial From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:57:32 -0400 (EDT)     >I was unable to locate an email address for > them; however, here's the toll free number to > the PR dept.: Isuzu Customer Relations at > 1.800.255.6727   Or you can call the Senior Advocate Hotline: 1-800-OLD-FART ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach suggestions From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:09:57 -0400 (EDT)   >I'm looking at repertoire I'd like to learn in the > next few months and would like some idea > about what pieces you'd recommend.   >I'm wondering about the A Minor or the B > Minor and have also considered learning the > Eb ("St. Anne") P & F from the Clav. III. Well, geez. You picked three of my favorites. The a-minor was the first big Bach piece I played. It is wonderfully put together and exciting to play. The fugue offers some great opportunities for phrasing, bringing out the theme, and doing fun things with registration (traditional terrace dynamics and more romantic approaches). The b-minor is the ultimate in elegance, but also has some light moments in the fugue. The E-flat (St Anne) is also very elegant and additionally has the Italian flare which can be quite a challenge to the performer. The fugue is beautiful, as well, and is extremely useful for service music. When I return to my favorite its the a-minor, possibly because it's my first, and I memorized it.   >Also, I've played the Eb Trio Sonata for years > and love it. Which of the remaining 5 Trio > Sonatas is your favorite, when I'm ready to > start another? The c-minor is delightful, playful and has an absolutely wonderful final movement if you have some real cutesy short-resonator reeds to play with.     bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:46:43 -0500   Actually, Mixtures should just add "sparkle"... not over-ride anything.   Rick V.     -----Original Message----- From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation       >As I was preparing to play our new Schantz > the first time in worship, the sales rep in fact > suggested an approach similar to this: going > easy on mixtures, etc. Peoples' ears need to > become adjusted to the sounds. I think this is a good idea. In fact, the mixtures should probably be prepared for the the console only until the congregation requests them!!! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek   http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99 From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:06:54 -0400 (EDT)   >I like a ZymbelStern in the Great organ, and in > the Antiphonal organ I prefer ZymbelPort >I would suggest that maybe a little > Zymbelstarboard might also be appropriate...   >Would these presumably come with little > indicator lights to show when they are > operating -- red for the Zimbelport and green > for the Zimbelstarboard?   Well, if we really want to attract the "great unwashed" to organ recitals, the two zimblethings should be installed on opposite sides of the case, visible, and in such a way that they would turn in opposing directions. Then little red tassels, could be attached to them and..... well, you get the idea! ;-) hehehe   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #876 - 05/21/99 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:17:11 -0400 (EDT)   AYE, to the Zimbelbrig with you all!!    
(back) Subject: Classic Arts Showcase (x-cross) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:37:49 -0400   Greetings all,   At about 12:45am this morning I was ``surfing'' the TV channels and came across a Mary Pickford movie clip with Gaylord Carter playing the Theatre organ. This was on the Classic Arts Showcase. Then, following that was a clip from the Avalon Theatre with organist Robert Salisbury playing ``Avalon''. Did anyone else catch this? I would love to find out just what Classic Arts Showcase has in their library.   Best regards,   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:41:07 -0400 (EDT)     >Actually, Mixtures should just add "sparkle"... =A0 > not over-ride anything.   I wish people would quit saying this! I really would much rather have a mixture actually DO IT! I don't recall hearing a decent mixture in since the GDH Skinner at Christ Church Cathedral - Houston TX, which I'm told has now been "improved" so that the mixtures "really cap the organ" (God help us!!!). Many of the mixtures on 19th century organs heard at OHS conventions have been "revoiced", "re-regulated", etc. and are detracting to the rest of the instrument. The best organs are those without them.   Please folks... don't tell me what mixtures are "supposed" to do. It doesn't help my sore ears at all! ;-)   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: hands crossing From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:32:18 PDT   Let me clarify something. I'd like to hear about compostions that require the hands to cross ON THE SAME MANUAL. If the hands are on different manuals when they cross, then it's not exacly what I had in mind. Two more additions to the list are:   toccata on 'O Sons and Daughters" by Lynwood Farnum Carillon-Sortie by Henri Mulet (page 4, 2nd system, 1st measure)   Can anyone think of any others? The running total is now 5.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: ...an all Bach diet......... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:40:47 EDT   ....I don't know about the rest of you, but I couldn't see myself playing Bach and only Bach for the rest of my life as an organist. There's nothing about him that would ever cause me to forsake every other composer. I play a little bit of everything. Variety is a good thing.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: German anyone? From: HDKarras@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:01:23 EDT   Dear Carlo, please fax me (+49-531-16906) the text and i will translate ist for you. Cheers, Hans  
(back) Subject: Pentecost Program From: HDKarras@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:13:18 EDT   Hi Pipechatter,   yesterday i had played a wonderful concert with a good working program (abou= t=20 60 Minutes). This program was very succesful to the auditory and will send=20 you.   Samuel Scheidt Choralprelude "Veni creator" Zsolt G=E1rdonyi Choralprelude "Heilger Geist du Troester me= in" Nicolas de Grigny Versets "Veni creator" Bernardo J=FAlia Invocation sur "Veni creator" Johann Sebastian Bach Choralprelude "Komm, Gott Schoepfer, Heiliger Geis= t" =09=09=09=09=09=09 Fantasia super "Komm,=20 Gott Schoepfer, Heiliger Geist" Maurice Durufl=E9 Pr=E9lude, Adagio et choral vari=E9 sur le = Veni=20 creator op.4   Have a nice Pentecost, Hans-Dieter Karras