PipeChat Digest #879 - Saturday, May 22, 1999
 
..a word or two.......
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Wedding Funnies
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: ..a word or two.......
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
mini-concert & Leslie model number...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
How to unsubscribe
  by "rollin smith" <rollinsmithv@worldnet.att.net>
Re: How to unsubscribe
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Austin Console
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: slippery benches............
  by <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Bach suggestions
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: hands crossing
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Organ on TV Comercial
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
computer paper
  by "Robert  Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: Organ on TV Comercial
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: hands crossing
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Wedding Funnies
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
wedding funnies
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Star Wars redux
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding funnies
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Star Wars redux
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
RE: Star Wars redux
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net>
returned from a long tedious trip
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: Bach's Prelude and Fugue in b minor
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: returned from a long tedious trip
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: ..a word or two....... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:41:52 EDT   Hey all,   there are a few things I'd like to clarify. 1. My list of oldies but goodies does not comprise of mostly transcriptions. Anyone who knows their stuff (you know who you are), should know that there are many original organ compositions in those 3 lists. Anything from Lemmens, Marcello, Mailly, Ascher, Gounod, Guilmant, Thiele and Bossi are original compositions for the organ. Not that it matters, but I know my stuff.   2. When I said "may their music live forever" when referring to Fox and Dupré, I didn't mean that they both composed. It was an expression, like "break a leg". Actually, we wouldn't have Virgil's famous arrangement of "Come Sweetest Death" if it weren't for Virgil Fox! So, I say again: may their music live forever.   3. Someone on the list wanted to make a list of "real organ music". I wasn't looking for nit-pickers when posting those list. I was looking for people who would be interested in copies of them. Real or not, they're played on the organ. They're no less of an organ piece just because the composer wasn't an organist (in very few cases).   I hope this clears up a few heads. I'm not naming any names. I'm being very general. Like I said, the people that this is aimed at know who they are.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Wedding Funnies From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:48:50 -0400   Hi, Y'all!   In the past few weeks there have been some wonnnnnnnnderful stories about weddings, music requested for weddings, etc., etc., etc., posted here. I read them, laughed, and then deleted all of them.   Guess what?   I've been asked to write and edit a bi-monthly column of wedding "funnies" for a national (denomination) periodical. So . . . I'm asking those of you who saved them to forward them to me privately or if you like just tell me your favorite wedding funny. If it's music-related all the better, but it just can be a general funny.   These lists are wonderful sources of programming/repertoire suggestions, encouragement, brain-teasers, reminders, information, fellowship, blood-pressure-raisers, and much more! But fersure, I never wanna be without the e-mail lists I read each day.   Serving a little mission church in South Florida, I am,   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea        
(back) Subject: Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 06:50:50 -0400   Hey, Bruce. > >Oh deah! CCM! What an unfortunate achronymnmnmne for a music school >in this day and age!!! ;-)     I don't get it . . . duh! Just call me dense!    
(back) Subject: Re: ..a word or two....... From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:06:24 -0400   At 10:41 PM 5/3/99 EDT, Carlo wrote:   >Not that it matters, but I know my=20 >stuff.   Knowing one's "stuff" is very important in this day and age.   >Actually, we wouldn't have Virgil's famous arrangement of=20 >"Come Sweetest Death" if it weren't for Virgil Fox!   Actually, and I think I'm correct here, but we wouldn't have this arrangement at all had Bob Hebble not written it down. Yes, it was Virgil's idea, but the actual written transcription of this piece was by Bob. And, I'm assuming you know this, Carlo, that it really was Hebble who did most of the other "famous" Virgil Fox arrangements. (I guess this is sorta like the Tournemire/Durufl=E9 thing, n'est pas?)   >3. Someone on the list wanted to make a list of "real organ music".=20   I think there is enough wonderful organ repertoire available to us that we do not have the need to play transcriptions as a steady diet of organ music. Now, I love it when there is a LeMare (sp?) transcription on a program. I also like it now that we see programming that includes some of the lost romantics, such as Guilmant and others. However, when I said "but those pieces are transcriptions," I mean just that. Transcriptions have worth and value, but in my not-so-humble opinion, not as a steady diet for service or concert.   >I hope this clears up a few heads. I'm not naming any names.=20   I said it. No need to hide. I've said it for 30 years.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: mini-concert & Leslie model number... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:48:08 EDT   greetings,   I played my weekly post-mass concert and it went well. I played the Thalben-Ball variaions and the people loved it. Also for those who wanted to know, the Leslie is a model 122.   Carlo     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: How to unsubscribe From: "rollin smith" <rollinsmithv@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:12:55 -0400   Would a member of this list please forward instructions on how to unsubscribe.   Thank you.   Rollin Smith    
(back) Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:30:30 -0500   At 9:12 AM -0400 5/22/99, rollin smith wrote: >Would a member of this list please forward instructions on how to >unsubscribe. > >Thank you. > >Rollin Smith     I have taken care of it, no need to do all sorts of postings about how to unsubscribe.   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Austin Console From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:42:02 -0500   Hi List ... I'm running this for sale again. I need the room !! Located in central Indiana southeast of Indy. $450.00 cash and carry takes it.         >Austin steel frame console - wood - mahogany and bench. Should be >refinished.   >Opus #1550-1928 > >Specs -- >cancel bars above each stop division >ivory keyboards; 3 ivories to be replaced >combination actions: (all in console) >8'swell, 8' great 8' generals w/cancels >pedal studs (comb) >general #9; pedal #1; ped #2; gt to ped - reversible; Sforz. >Swell shoe, Cresc. shoe > >Stops >Gt unison off )to the left (black) all couplers in black >Sw unison off )   >PEDAL - from left to right on stop rail >Sub bass 16' >Flauto Dolce 8' >Sw to ped 8' >sw to ped 4' >gt to ped 8'   >SWELL >Bourdon 16' >St. Diap 8' >Salicional 8' >Flute D'Amour 4' >Flautino2' >Oboe 8' >Vox Humana 8' >Tremolo >Swell 16' >Swell 4'   >GREAT >Open diapason 8' >Concert Flute 8' >Dulciana 8' >Flauto Traverso 4' > Great 16' > Great 4' > Swell to great 8' > Swell to great 4'   >Swell pedal rolling indicator) >Crescendo rolling indicator ) to right of stop tabs >Current indicator light > >Console has removable panels, quite accessible, all electric except Gt. to >Ped. >Was working well when removed 5 years ago. The Gt to Ped. reversible is a >self-contained shifting pneumatic. Must be recovered. > >$450.00 cash and carry   THANKS Rick V. > >      
(back) Subject: Re: slippery benches............ From: dougcampbell@juno.com Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:21:40 -0400       On Thu, 20 May 1999 09:19:56 EDT "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> writes: >greetings, > > What a hoot. I can almost read the headlines now: Organist >sustains injuries during pedal solo---story at 11:00. Maybe organ >benches >should be equipped with seatbelts? > >Carlo Dear Carlo - Why not ???? Victor Borge had one for his piano !! ;-)   Also the "person" that referred to you as having your "brains in your ass" MUST have meant that you HAVE more brains in your ass then he has between his eardrums !!!!!!!! ;-o   Have a good day and remember that MOST of us appreciate your posts !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach suggestions From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:03:04 -0500   bruce cornely wrote: > > >I'm looking at repertoire I'd like to learn in the > > next few months and would like some idea > > about what pieces you'd recommend. > > >I'm wondering about the A Minor or the B > > Minor and have also considered learning the > > Eb ("St. Anne") P & F from the Clav. III. > Well, geez. You picked three of my favorites. The a-minor was the > first big Bach piece I played. It is wonderfully put together and > exciting to play. The fugue offers some great opportunities for > phrasing, bringing out the theme, and doing fun things with registration   Three of my favorites too. We had the St. Anne (Eb) at our wedding. I am not the greatest of organists and the only one I have had the patience to practice consistently over the years is the A minor (BWV543), even then after 30 years I still don't have the fugue quite right. But I never grow tired of playing it.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo > (traditional terrace dynamics and more romantic approaches). > The b-minor is the ultimate in elegance, but also has some light moments > in the fugue. > The E-flat (St Anne) is also very elegant and additionally has the > Italian flare which can be quite a challenge to the performer. The > fugue is beautiful, as well, and is extremely useful for service music. > When I return to my favorite its the a-minor, possibly because it's my > first, and I memorized it. > > >Also, I've played the Eb Trio Sonata for years > > and love it. Which of the remaining 5 Trio > > Sonatas is your favorite, when I'm ready to > > start another? > The c-minor is delightful, playful and has an absolutely wonderful final > movement if you have some real cutesy short-resonator reeds to play > with. > > bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net > > If dogs could talk, perhaps we would find it as hard to get along with > them as we do with people. -- Karl Capek > > http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: hands crossing From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:08:07 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > Let me clarify something. I'd like to hear about compostions that require the hands to cross ON THE SAME MANUAL. If the hands are on different manuals when they cross, then it's not exacly what I had in mind. Two more additions to the list are: > > toccata on 'O Sons and Daughters" by Lynwood Farnum > Carillon-Sortie by Henri Mulet (page 4, 2nd system, 1st measure)   This reminds me of the occasion at my school in England when the assistant music teacher, Harry Reed (composer of a now forgotten Mag. & Nunc in B minor published by Novello) was playing the Mulet in the school chapel wearing his academic gown and hood. In the crossing hands bit he somehow managed to get tangled up in his robes, but nothing daunted and without missing a beat he just pulled his arms apart and went rip! Then he carried on as if nothing had happened.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:18:29 -0500   VEAGUE wrote: > > Actually, Mixtures should just add "sparkle"... not over-ride anything.   Not just that, they should add DEPTH and BODY to the organ. Just as a 10.2/3' on the pedal will produce a resultant 32', the higher pitched mutations in the mixtures will produce all kinds of resultant frequencies with the rest of the chorus, giving it depth and majesty, and helping the whole organ to cohere and hang together. The idea that they should be shrill and squeaky was largely an invention of the 1960s.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Re: Pentecost at Toms River FUMC From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:54:44 EDT   In a message dated 5/21/99 10:41:45 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << While it isn't truly liturgical--you are correct, it is a hymn concertato and I wanted to do it. We in the Methodist camp can get away with digressions from liturgical practice once in a while. It's going to be beautiful. >>   Works for me!   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ on TV Comercial From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:57:56 EDT   In a message dated 5/21/99 11:00:17 PM Central Daylight Time, cremona84000@webtv.net writes:   << Or you can call the Senior Advocate Hotline: 1-800-OLD-FART ;-) >>   O, but I'm young... so I guess I could 1-800-Young-n-Stodgy :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Re: telling the truth, and the lessons to be learnt therefrom From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:24:46 -0700   "CCM" is what us graduates of Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music call our school.   Cheers,   Bud   Dr. Darryl Miller wrote:   > Hey, Bruce. > > > >Oh deah! CCM! What an unfortunate achronymnmnmne for a music school > >in this day and age!!! ;-) > > I don't get it . . . duh! Just call me dense! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: computer paper From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:08:25 -0500   off topic, but,   to my friends at pipechat:   I have a box of tractor feed paper which I am willing to give away as long as you pay the UPS charge, let me know.   Please address me directly at highnote@mhtc.net   Robert  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ on TV Comercial From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:53:46 -0500   >>Perhaps Isuzu would be sensitive to a blizzard >> of negative commentary? > >>I think it is offensive to seniors, musicians, >> builders, TO and "straight" organ people alike. >Oh puhleaze, people! Was it Mae West who said she didn't care what >they said as long as they were talking about her? Perhaps some person >who sees the commercial will like the sound of the TO and decide to >learn how to play. > >If it's our image as organists that you're concerned about, consider >what Isuzu will think of organists when we come off sounding like a >bunce of whining and complaining PC fogies. I certainly don't want to >be thought of in that way.   OK, then I wonder if Isuzu paid for the rights to use that clip?   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: hands crossing From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:32:09 -0400   Did anyone put in the first movement Prelude of the Vierne 2nd Symphonie? There's a nice spread-out hand crossing at the climax of the movement, both hands on the Grand Orgue.   Paul Opel   > >Can anyone think of any others? The running total is now 5. > >Carlo > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Funnies From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:32:29 -0400   Greetings Darryl,   A number of years ago I played for a large wedding in a Cathedral. This lovely edifice had a beautiful stone aisle and the bride did not want a white runner to cover this magnificent floor. As I was playing the Jeremiah Clarke ``Trumpet Voluntary'' I heard this ``clank, clank, clank'' sound and wondered to myself, ``Is something drastically wrong with the organ?'' Well, as the wedding progressed, it became apparent that, as the bride was walking down the aisle, she forgot about the floor grating for the heat vent and the heel of her shoe became caught in the grating. Instead of simply slipping her foot out of the shoe and leaving it there, she gave the shoe a strong pull and the grating came out of the floor, and....well....you can imagine the rest. Once I found out, I could not stop laughing. Needless to say, it was interesting to notice the wedding party trying to avoid falling into a big hole in the middle of the aisle during the recessional....where the grating used to be!   Is there any possible way that we could obtain a copy of your final writings? I, for one, would be interested since my server was down for a while and I missed a number of these lovely gems from other members of the list.   Many thanks,   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com   ---------- > From: Dr. Darryl Miller <organdok@safari.net> > Subject: Wedding Funnies > > I've been asked to write and edit a bi-monthly column of wedding "funnies" > for a national (denomination) periodical. So . . . I'm asking those of you > who saved them to forward them to me privately or if you like just tell me > your favorite wedding funny. If it's music-related all the better, but it > just can be a general funny. > > These lists are wonderful sources of programming/repertoire suggestions, > encouragement, brain-teasers, reminders, information, fellowship, > blood-pressure-raisers, and much more! But fersure, I never wanna be > without the e-mail lists I read each day.    
(back) Subject: wedding funnies From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:49:59 -0700   Then there was the dotty old Anglican vicar who announced:   "Forasmuch as John and Mary have been LOINED together in Holy Matrimony ...."   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Star Wars redux From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:52:41 -0700   Anybody seen "The Phantom Menace" yet? Anything transcribable for organ? (grin)   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding funnies From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:33:27 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/99 4:59:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << Forasmuch as John and Mary have been LOINED together in Holy Matrimony >>   Hey, that's MY story, come full circle from the little church in a small town in Western Ontario, where I actually heard this. The vicar was officiating at the wedding of his own daughter (who was marrying a young man high in management at the local coffin makers!), and because he was official chaplain to the cathedral choir a few miles down the road, we were all there in full vestments, singing joyfully. There is an important extra word in the Anglican wedding liturgy at the point at which Bud's quote occurred, and it was just too much for Fr. Reg, who, after years employed with the power company (Ontario Hydro) had entered the ministry, but was not gifted with fluent speech, and was, in fact famously given to Spoonerisms. His was: "Those whom God hath jawfully loined together, let no man put asunder." Bud was probably just too genteel to quote it as it was!! And if you believe that, . . . . . .   Malcolm Wechsler, stating that I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy.   www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Star Wars redux From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:06:13 -0500   I haven't seen the movie, but a friend of mine says he has a contract to do a choral arrangement of the new theme for whoever his publisher is (I forget.) Apparently there's some singable stuff there. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: Star Wars redux     > Anybody seen "The Phantom Menace" yet? Anything transcribable for organ? > (grin) > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Star Wars redux From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:13:12 -0700     > Anybody seen "The Phantom Menace" yet? Anything transcribable for organ? > (grin) > Yeah, I saw it. I have to be honest, though, I don't even recall hearing the music!   Dennis    
(back) Subject: returned from a long tedious trip From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:43:37 -0500   hi All; I just wanted to post some experiences I (we) had on a recent trip to the southeast. Some on the list will know of where and whence I speak (where & whence???).   Anyway, I had the joy of listening to a very fine organ and the sorrow of listening to a very terrible (I believe the term would be gawdawful) organ as well. The most apalling aspect of the trip was proof that some organ technicians do not serve the need of the community at all. At one of our stops, we sealed an air leak that had been going on since........well for a couple of years anyway. We were back at that instrument a day later to find that another organist had been in to practice......his comments were "WOW....we can actually hear the quiet stops again". What a sad state of affairs. Shame on anyone (and I'll not name names) for neglecting their work. It took us all of 15 minutes to correct the problem.   In another church, the organ had been installed without ever any tonal finishing to the job. Languids, upper lips, lower lips............all was out of order. The organ sounded absolutely unmusical, and did it's best to pound on your ears and rattle the brain between.   I hope that any of you technicians that might be "listening" will take this to heart...take care of your customers. A part of the problem with organs and servicing, is that a terrible "mystique" has been attached to very simple problems and situations. In some cases out right lies.   Well, it's just good to be home at the voicing machine again. In about 2 weeks we will have our 6 rank portative ready and will be in regular use after July 4th....until sometime in the fall.   Jon Bertschinger Temple Organs    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach's Prelude and Fugue in b minor From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:09:30 -0500       Jason McGuire wrote:   > I have only done it, I guess, the "old way" and there were no double-dotted > pedal notes. True enough, a 16' Posaune or Fagotto would not be able to > speak properly. I think that this "old way," or as written, is the correct > one, at least that's my opinion anyway. > > some people went through a phase of double-dotting > > and even (I think) applying some notes inegales to the Prelude. I tried > > it, but went back to the old way, mostly because the double-dotted pedal > > notes just wouldn't speak fast enough with the 16' Posaune drawn. > > > > Any opinions? Comments? >   Ok.....I'd like to comment....sorry about the "reply type post", but I'm not computer literate.....I'm a pipe voicer. There is no reason for a reed to speak slowly........any pitch. We have a 32' Bombard that speaks quite quickly (Ask Dale Rider about it.) If you have a 16' Pedal (or manual) reed that speaks slowly, it is voiced incorrectly and/or the tongue material is too thick for the windpressure and/or scale of the stop (shallot opening and resonator opening into the block). There is no logical/legitimate reason for an organ's "workings" to prevent a good musician from being able to expressively play works of all periods. I've heard some pretty terrible reeds, but none of them in our instruments (perhaps I'm a little biased).   Jon Bertschinger voicer/technician Temple Organs   > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: returned from a long tedious trip From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:44:39 EDT   Dear Jon, It has been my experience that is hasn't been the competition (electronics) that have been so successful in doing in the pipe organ builders as has been the builders and maintenance people. As I've said before, the APBOA need a certification program that is the ticket for someone with techincal interest to go inside the case of a pipe organ and repair, tune, regulate pipe organs. Until such happens, the pipe organ builders will continue to loose ground. There. is NO excuse for a builder not to finish his product. There is no excuse for leathers to remain unglued so as to loose pressure, There is no excuse for someone who runs out of expertise, to not be able to call in a representative of the builder and even get a technician of the builder to come in and repair something the technician is not capable of repairing. Hey, it's your name, it's your chosen profession. I know that if my name were on an organ case, I would check with the owner once, twice a year to find out how my product was working . That's the next sale, the next addition, the next reference. Is a builder fearful that if he calls the customer, he will complain?.Better to you than to the next electronic organ salesman. Oh I can go on for hours. If I did not see this with my own eyes, Jon, I would say someone has lost their senses. Builders must realise that this is a B U S I N E S S . Happy customers come back. Even unhappy customers can be satisfied with the builders interest. What's it cost< your business. Sincerely< Paul P. Valtos