PipeChat Digest #883 - Monday, May 24, 1999
 
Re: Must_Do_in_Paris_ _Input_Appr eciated
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
Re: Pipedream's query
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
The Lost Chord
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: Fw: Need help urgently - STOP LAUGHING!
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Organ on TV Comercial
  by <Victorgan@aol.com>
Re: digressions from liturgical practice
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Come see the GREAT outdoor WurliTzer!
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Kilgen Mixtures (re: Mixtures...)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Bach organ works
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: The Lost Chord
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: The Lost Chord
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: digressions from liturgical practice
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: digressions from liturgical practice
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Fw: The Lost Chord
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Fw: The Lost Chord
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com>
Re: Fw: The Lost Chord
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: "I Want to Be Like Jesus"
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Fw: The Lost Chord
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Re: The organs I've owned
  by "Jerry" <aqne@waveinter.com>
Re: Fw: Need help urgently - STOP LAUGHING!
  by "vjmoore" <moorehse@midwest.net>
the holy lost city palm birthday chord......
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: ToccataFest 1999 is history
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
To A Wild Rose
  by "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: ToccataFest 1999 is history
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: digressions from liturgical practice
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: mixtures from the top
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Pipedream's query From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 06:39:10 -0500   N Brown wrote: > > I just wish I could get Pipedreams around here. --Neil   If your local radio station doesn't carry Pipedreams, you can still listen to it on the internet on Seattle's 98.1 KING-FM classical music station at <http://www.king.org> It is unfortunately rather late on Sunday evenings, when choral compline from St. Mark's Episcopal Cathedral, Seattle is also relayed over the internet, back to back with it if my memory serves me correctly.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: The Lost Chord From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:52:54 -0500   Don't know how I do it, but I always get "the lost chord" and "the holy city" mixed up. Should there be any relationship between the two to cause my confusion?   Jon Bertschinger    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Need help urgently - STOP LAUGHING! From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:23 -0400   Glenda, you might take a look at Liszt's piano arrangement of the Beethoven symphonies for the Eroica.   Professor Randolph Paul Runyon Dept. of French, Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ on TV Comercial From: Victorgan@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:07:05 EDT   <Perhaps Isuzu would be sensitive to a blizzard of negative commentary? There must be an e-mail address for their PR department, or some such thing. Does anyone have the ability to research it? >>   I was unable to locate an email address for them; however, here's the toll free number to the PR dept.: Isuzu Customer Relations at 1.800.255.6727> ________________________________________________________________   I found the following if anyone is interested in calling:   Corporate Headquarters Public Relations Department Direct Phone #: 562-229-5000. There is no E-Mail Address.   Vic  
(back) Subject: Re: digressions from liturgical practice From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:36:53 EDT   In a message dated 5/22/99 11:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time, nstarfil@MediaOne.net writes:   << And in the remake scheduled for release next year, Heston's staff will be replaced by a rifle. I saw a copy of the shooting script... >>   This is too good to pass up... and Heston will lead the HighSchoolites through the sea!   John  
(back) Subject: Come see the GREAT outdoor WurliTzer! From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:40:52 -0700   Dear Pipechatters:   The following is forwarded for you from Mr. Kyle Irwin, organist and curator of the Roosevelt Memorial Park WurliTzer, Southern California's best kept organ secret! We are hoping for a good turnout to show interest for the organ's much-needed restoration. Be sure to visit the web site! This instrument is truly one-of-a-kind!   Bob Scarborough   >>Forwarded message<<   For those of you that will be in Southern California on Memorial Day, I will be hosting an organ crawl at the Roosevelt Memorial Park Wurlitzer outdoor pipe organ. The park sponsor's a yearly Memorial Day service which begins at 10:00, and immediately following the service I will take anyone interested on a tour of the organ. I'll even fire it up so you can hear what it is still possible of doing. Come hear what ranks on 50" of pressure can do.   I'd appreciate knowing in advance who all can come so I can have some idea of what to expect. Donations toward the restoration project will not be refused. (g)   The park is located on Vermont Ave. just north of 190th street in Gardena.   Please visit my website if you would like to see and read about the history of this great organ.   http://members.aol.com/theorganst/Page1.html#Roosevelt Memorial Park   Or you can visit my site via http://theatreorgans.com/   Kyle B. Irwin    
(back) Subject: Kilgen Mixtures (re: Mixtures...) From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:38:35 EDT   The Grande Kilgen in the National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, Michigan was built in 1933 and dedicated in 1934. The tonal specs were drawn up by the church's organist at the time, Mr. John Morell, in conjunction with Charles Courboin (who dedicated the instrument) and pietro Yon. The influences of these latter two men are manifestly evident in the specification and tonal design. The organ was voiced by Henry Vincent Willis IV and has a one of a kind, unique righ sound indeed. The mixtures are as follows, as quoted directly from the original Kilgen contract:   Main Great: Plein Jeu VII Rks, 15-19-22-26-29-33-36, 427 pipes (can be divided by means of Ripieno I which bring on only the low four ranks and Ripieno II which bring on only the high three ranks)   Main Swell: Mixture III Rks ("Rye Type") 12-15-19, 183 pipes (No one has yet come up with an explanation of what "Rye Type" is so I have no answer for that one. But this mixture is without a doubt the most useful and flexible in the whole organ)   Choir: Carillon III Rks, 12-17-22, 183 pipes, pure tin   Solo: Cymbale VII Rks, 12-15-19-22-26-29-33, 427 pipes   Antiphonal Great: Mixture IV Rks, 12-15-19-22, 244 pipes   As one can see, the organ contains a large number of mixtures- especially since it was built in the early 30's. They do not dominate the overall ensemble(s) but add to and "color" the sound of the organ. At the same time- the Kilgen is far from dark or tubby in any sense of the word. Recently we have come to the conclusion that the organ is not just a symphonic instrument but is also a valuable and historic "transitional instrument" bridging the symphonic organ to the American Classic.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI  
(back) Subject: Bach organ works From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:59:55 PST       Dear list,   Thanks to all who responded to my request for recommendations. Based on the evenly distributed responses, I may have to flip a coin to decide, though.   I'll let you know what I decide.   Thanks again,   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   Against the assult of laughter nothing can stand. --- Mark Twain    
(back) Subject: Re: The Lost Chord From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:16:37 PST     I've heard that one of the most thrilling performances of this piece was rendered by Tom Hazleton on the old Barton theatre organ in Chicago's Civic Stadium. I'm not sure if it was a private or public performance, but, I guess the buildup to full organ was nothing short of earth-shaking.   Tom is a wonderful player and knows how to run a big console. I'm sure it was frighteningly loud!   Mark     > Just saw and heard Diane Bish play this piece (Joy of Music) on the > Ruffatti organ in Fort Lauderdale. While quite good, it just didn't seem > to build up to the full-organ power as did the old Jesse Crawford 78-rpm > version (or at least as I remember it and try to duplicate it) - or am I > enhansing this old record in my memory as I haven't heard it in at least > 30-years or more..... > Bill Winchester       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   My reality check just bounced.    
(back) Subject: Re: The Lost Chord From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:24:43 -0400 (EDT)     >Don't know how I do it, but I always get "the > lost chord" and "the holy city" mixed up. >Should there be any relationship between the > two to cause my confusion? Why of course! The church which has the organ with the lost chord is in the holy city. I understand your confusion. However, it is the capitol city and on the birthday of the king they have a big party and it gets so hot that they cool things down fanning him with the palms.   I hope this cleared things up.     bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   Trained or not, he'll always be his own dog to a degree. -- Carol Lee Benjamin   http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: digressions from liturgical practice From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:47:36 -0700   At 11:36 AM 5/24/1999 EDT, DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 5/22/99 11:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time, >nstarfil@MediaOne.net writes: > ><< And in the remake scheduled for release next year, Heston's staff > will be replaced by a rifle. I saw a copy of the shooting script... > >> > >This is too good to pass up... and Heston will lead the HighSchoolites >through the sea!<snip>   ROFLMAO! Sick humor, perhaps, but I LOVE IT! Heston..that crank...LOL! He is to laugh at.   Bob Scarborough    
(back) Subject: Re: digressions from liturgical practice From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:35:52 EDT   In a message dated 5/24/99 12:46:47 PM Central Daylight Time, desertbob@truelink.net writes:   << ROFLMAO! Sick humor, perhaps, but I LOVE IT! Heston..that crank...LOL! He is to laugh at. Bob Scarborough >>   Well thanks, it's not the first time someone has laughed at me for what I've said or done ;-)   I am glad that you found it amusing.   John  
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:16:15 -0400   To all members of the Pipechat List:   Join the IRC Pipechatters on Monday evenings, or Friday evenings, at 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   If you are not too sure how you do it go to our Web Page at the following URL:   http://www.pipechat.org   We have provided all the necessary information there for you to see how to get on to the IRC.   I hope to see you this evening!   From a Wet, Miserable, cold Vicroria Day in Kingston, Ontario, Canada!   Bob Conway... "Learn from the mistakes of others. You cannot live long enough to make them all yourself."          
(back) Subject: Fw: The Lost Chord From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:24:14 -0500   Tom probably played the beast at the Chicago Stadium -back when it was still in existence. I heard Al Melgaard play the Lords' Prayer on it years ago, and yes, it was earth-shaking.   Rick V.   -----Original Message----- From: Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: Re: The Lost Chord       I've heard that one of the most thrilling performances of this piece was rendered by Tom Hazleton on the old Barton theatre organ in Chicago's Civic Stadium. I'm not sure if it was a private or public performance, but, I guess the buildup to full organ was nothing short of earth-shaking.   Tom is a wonderful player and knows how to run a big console. I'm sure it was frighteningly loud!   Mark     > Just saw and heard Diane Bish play this piece (Joy of Music) on the > Ruffatti organ in Fort Lauderdale. While quite good, it just didn't seem > to build up to the full-organ power as did the old Jesse Crawford 78-rpm > version (or at least as I remember it and try to duplicate it) - or am I > enhansing this old record in my memory as I haven't heard it in at least > 30-years or more..... > Bill Winchester       Mark Huth Rodgers Instruments, LLC mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgersinstruments.com   ==========================   My reality check just bounced.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:39:59 PDT   Bruce,   I heard a service at Christ Church a few months ago and also had the opportunity to play it earlier this month. The mixtures blend quite nicely, they add a nice sheen. Don't stick out at all. However, I heard they really toned down the Great Harmonic Flute. Visser-Roland (now Visser and Associates) did the work-sounds like they respected what was there.   Ray Ahrens     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:22:46 -0400 (EDT)       >I heard a service at Christ Church a few > months ago and also had the opportunity to > play it earlier this month. The mixtures blend > quite nicely, they add a nice sheen. I'm so relieved that this beauty is unspoiled. The mixtures always worked so wonderfully.   >I heard they really toned down the Great > Harmonic Flute. By chance do you mean the 8 Holzgedeczilla. It was the hughest thing; like a Tibiadena or a Quintatwoton. Had enough chiff for the rest of the organ, but was wonderful in its own way.   How was the new chamade? Isn't there a antiphonal of sorts, also.   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   Trained or not, he'll always be his own dog to a degree. -- Carol Lee Benjamin   http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: The Lost Chord From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:58:52 -0700   > > Just saw and heard Diane Bish play this piece (Joy of Music) on the > > Ruffatti organ in Fort Lauderdale. While quite good, it just didn't seem > > to build up to the full-organ power as did the old Jesse Crawford 78-rpm > > version (or at least as I remember it and try to duplicate it) - or am I > > enhansing this old record in my memory as I haven't heard it in at least > > 30-years or more..... > > Bill Winchester >   That's 'cause CRP has no COJONES!!! A zillion ranks of mixturen can't substitute for some decently-scaled 8' stops, 16' stops, 32' stops, etc., and THAT'S what makes the earth move. CRP and the Silica Basilica are two EXCELLENT examples of how NOT to build a large organ.   Cheers,   Bud, who still remembers the Cleveland Public Hall SKINNER    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: "ray ahrens" <ray_ahrens@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:08:03 PDT   Bruce,   >How was the new chamade?   Hard to say, sounds rather tame when listening from the console.     Isn't there a antiphonal of sorts, also.   Yes, there is. Basic principal chorus work to support singing in the back. >     _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: The Lost Chord From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:24:15 -0400   Well . . . Bud, are you saying 47 ranks of mixture out a 117 ranks is toooooo much mixture?   Well . . . let me ponder the plethora of 8's we have. Pondering over . . . well . . . we have mixtures, and then again, we have mixtures, and we have reeds, and we have, well . . . 'er, we have some more mixtures . . . and don't forget, we have reeds, and mixtures, and some beatuful celestes, and then again, we have a 9-rank mixture, and then we have a gorgeous clarinet on the choir, and then again, we only have one mixture on the choir, but then the pedal has two, so . . .   So . . . what's your point, mister? :)   Have a fun day!   Darryl by the Sea     You said: > A zillion ranks of mixturen can't substitute >for some decently-scaled 8' stops, 16' stops, 32' stops, etc., and THAT'S what >makes the earth move. CRP and the Silica Basilica are two EXCELLENT examples of >how NOT to build a large organ.    
(back) Subject: Re: "I Want to Be Like Jesus" From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:35:21 -0500   Siyahamba is a Zulu traditional Christian song.... > Hope this is helpful. --Neil   It is! Thanks. I'll check it out.     Randy Runyon runyonr@muohio.edu Organist and Music Director, Norwood Christian Church (Cincinnati, OH) Professor of French, Miami University (Oxford, OH)      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: The Lost Chord From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:02:56 EDT   Dear Bud, Do you know where I can get a copy of the Lost Chord. Sincerely, Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: The organs I've owned From: Jerry <aqne@waveinter.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:25:42 -0400   1. Hammond J200 - bought nw kept 2 weeks 2. Thomas Lawrence Welk (701) ? 3. Conn Rhapsody 4. Conn seranade 643 5. Baldwin (Can't remember model no) 6. Thomas 821sc 7. Emminent grand theatre 2000 8. Conn Martinique 644 9. Yamaha US-1    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Need help urgently - STOP LAUGHING! From: vjmoore <moorehse@midwest.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:50:37 -0500   f >> the deceased wanted played at the memorial service on Friday. The >requests >> are: Verdi's "Requiem" and the "Eroica" symphony. I will now count to >ten >> for you to compose yourselves.   Glenda,   There is a gorgeous section of the libera me from the Verdi for soprano solo and 4 part chorus. I remember vividly the funeral of my first piano teacher, who collapsed at the console of my parish church at the age of 30. Died three days later. He was much loved and the Milwaukee Bel Canto chorus and its director's wife combined forces to wrench every last tear from the eys of all who were there.   As for the Bethoven, you're on your own.   Good luck,   JC Moore    
(back) Subject: the holy lost city palm birthday chord...... From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:59:37 -0500   Well: I'm glad that someone was able to enlighten me. Now I'll just take a can of pledge and polish the pipes and bench......maybe the pews while I'm at it. (the silicone in pledge is good for organ leather you know..........NOT!)..LOL   jon bertschinger player of the gawdallmighty SLUDGEMaster DeLuXe    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest 1999 is history From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:07:08 -0400   Hey Neil,   Congrats on completing the ToccataFest 1999!   Thumb do and Thumb don't.......and you DID!!   :-)   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com    
(back) Subject: To A Wild Rose From: "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:04:05 -0400   Good evening fellow pipechatters Last week sometime I had offered a few people on this list a fax of To A Wild Rose. Unfortunately, my email software crashed and I lost the replies of those who requested a copy. If you dont mind, I ask that you resubmit the info. to me if you would like a copy. Thank you Jan VanDerStad    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Introducing a New Organ to a congregation From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:01:48 -0400 (EDT)   >How was the new chamade? >Hard to say, sounds rather tame when > listening from the console. mmmmm. That 's probably good. Christ Church Cathedral - Houston is really too small, low and dead for an antiphonal chamade. I can't imagine why they would want anything more than the "chamade" (read Tuba) in the Choir organ. They just don't come any more beautful and velvety than that!   >Isn't there a antiphonal of sorts, also. >Yes, there is. Basic principal chorus work to > support singing in the back. On the other hand, the room is small enough and sufficiently dead that a gentle foundational antiphonal might work, although I never felt the need of it from my usual seat in the last pew (when I wasn't singing in the choir).   bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   Trained or not, he'll always be his own dog to a degree. -- Carol Lee Benjamin   http://www.threedog.com Three Dog Bakery    
(back) Subject: Re: ToccataFest 1999 is history From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:22:24 -0400 (EDT)   Bonnie Beth, LOL thank you so much. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: digressions from liturgical practice From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:34:37 -0400 (EDT)   Tweren't good, John, and should have been passed up, in deference to respect for the recently departed. Just my opinion. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: mixtures from the top From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:02:19 -0700   At 09:35 PM 5/23/1999 -0500, VEAGUE wrote:   >In the 60s with a resurgance of Baroque instruments, many nice organs were >butchered into harsh, screechy ' kists 'o whistles ' that would pop the wax >right out of ones ears.<snip>   An opinion, perhaps. But the addition of the Schlicker to the E.M. Skinner at 1st Congo, LA, (c. 1968??) was a stroke of genius! After that addition, the resulting organ comfortably covers both orchestral/romantic AND baroque/early classic with aplomb! Here's another case of a an organ with something for everyone...well, no tibias and kinuras, but...oh WELL!   DeserTBoB