PipeChat Digest #892 - Sunday, May 30, 1999
 
Recent AGO threads
  by "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu>
Re: Recent AGO threads
  by "Rod Murrow" <murrows@pldi.net>
Re: ordinations last night
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Clavieruebung Vater Unser
  by "Bud/burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner
  by "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Montclair State University, NJ organ dept
  by "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@DREAMSCAPE.COM>
Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept
  by "Adam and Christine Levin" <levins@westnet.com>
Re: Fw: Xposting.......sorry.
  by "jon" <jonberts@swbell.net>
Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept
  by "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net>
Re: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
June TAO, p. 32
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Recent AGO threads
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Recent AGO threads
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Recent AGO threads From: "Jason Klein" <OrganBoy@nwu.edu> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:26:34 -0500   I wasn't going to say anything on this general AGO thread, but I just needed to open my mouth.... (This isn't directed at anyone in specific) From the perspective of someone young that's just starting out in a church professional position, I see the guild as a backing and reinforcing agent. I'm not going to sit here at my computer and say that it is without problems, but I think part of the problems are reflected in the attitudes that I've seen here...   If you're uncomfortable with something, make every effort to try and change it rather than sit and complain about it. While I acknowledge that the guild can be VERY elitist and arrogant, I can also see a change within it... at least in the Chicago area. I guess my point is that one might try to get involved and change things before settling into the opinion that the Guild is terrible and doing nothing for us. I have a feeling that without the guild as it stands now, I as a 21 year old Junior in a BM program would be more seriously looking at doing something like the Data Entry thing that Bud mentioned. =) Either that or flipping burgers. =)   I don't write this message to make anyone mad... maybe rather shed a younger and broader perspective on things.... Thanx for reading.   Pax, Jason Klein   Associate Organist - First Presbyterian Church, Arlington Heights, Illinois Organ Performance Major - Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois    
(back) Subject: Re: Recent AGO threads From: Rod Murrow <murrows@pldi.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:11:56 -0500     --------------5AE8C0D84F7B76CC0F10F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jason Klein wrote:   > I wasn't going to say anything on this general AGO thread, but I just needed > to open my mouth.... (This isn't directed at anyone in specific) From the > perspective of someone young that's just starting out in a church > professional position, I see the guild as a backing and reinforcing agent. > I'm not going to sit here at my computer and say that it is without > problems, but I think part of the problems are reflected in the attitudes > that I've seen here... > > If you're uncomfortable with something, make every effort to try and change > it rather than sit and complain about it. While I acknowledge that the guild > can be VERY elitist and arrogant, I can also see a change within it... at > least in the Chicago area. I guess my point is that one might try to get > involved and change things before settling into the opinion that the Guild > is terrible and doing nothing for us. I have a feeling that without the > guild as it stands now, I as a 21 year old Junior in a BM program would be > more seriously looking at doing something like the Data Entry thing that Bud > mentioned. =) Either that or flipping burgers. =) > > I don't write this message to make anyone mad... maybe rather shed a younger > and broader perspective on things.... Thanx for reading. > > Pax, > Jason Klein   Good for you, Jason! I have had nothing but good experiences in AGO during my relatively short tenure as a member. I attend as many local meetings and activities as I can, was elected Treasurer of our chapter for next year, have attended only one regional convention, and NO national conventions yet. So, perhaps the "elitist" attitudes you mention simply haven't come my way yet (except for those on this list, sad to say).   The point is, if it "works" for you - get in and get involved and help push our agenda; if not, go on to something else.   I turn 50 this summer, am a university professor and church organist, have just purchased my first (and likely only) organ for my home, and I look forward with great anticipation for the monthly sit-down session with my TAO. Would like to subscribe to the others, too, but the dollars can only be stretched so far.   That's my two cents for today, I guess.   Rod Murrow Resources for Church Musicians: An Online Workshop       --------------5AE8C0D84F7B76CC0F10F740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Jason Klein wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I wasn't going to say anything on this general AGO thread, but I just needed <br>to open my mouth.... (This isn't directed at anyone in specific) From the <br>perspective of someone young that's just starting out in a church <br>professional position, I see the guild as a backing and reinforcing agent. <br>I'm not going to sit here at my computer and say that it is without <br>problems, but I think part of the problems are reflected in the attitudes <br>that I've seen here... <p>If you're uncomfortable with something, make every effort to try and change <br>it rather than sit and complain about it. While I acknowledge that the guild <br>can be VERY elitist and arrogant, I can also see a change within it... at <br>least in the Chicago area. I guess my point is that one might try to get <br>involved and change things before settling into the opinion that the Guild <br>is terrible and doing nothing for us. I have a feeling that without the <br>guild as it stands now, I as a 21 year old Junior in a BM program would be <br>more seriously looking at doing something like the Data Entry thing that Bud <br>mentioned. =) Either that or flipping burgers. =) <p>I don't write this message to make anyone mad... maybe rather shed a younger <br>and broader perspective on things.... Thanx for reading. <p>Pax, <br>Jason Klein</blockquote> Good for you, Jason! I have had nothing but good experiences in AGO during my relatively short tenure as a member.&nbsp; I attend as many local meetings and activities as I can, was elected Treasurer of our chapter for next year, have attended only one regional convention, and NO national conventions yet.&nbsp; So, perhaps the "elitist" attitudes you mention simply haven't come my way yet (except for those on this list, sad to say). <p>The point is, if it "works" for you - get in and get involved and help push our agenda; if not, go on to something else. <p>I turn 50 this summer, am a university professor and church organist, have just purchased my first (and likely only) organ for my home, and I look forward with great anticipation for the monthly sit-down session with my TAO.&nbsp; Would like to subscribe to the others, too, but the dollars can only be stretched so far. <p>That's my two cents for today, I guess. <p>Rod Murrow <br><a href="http://www.pldi.net/~murrows/rcmindex.html">Resources for Church Musicians: An Online Workshop</a> <br><a href="http://www.pldi.net/~murrows/rcmindex.html"></a>&nbsp; <br><a href="http://www.pldi.net/~murrows/rcmindex.html"></a>&nbsp;</html>   --------------5AE8C0D84F7B76CC0F10F740--    
(back) Subject: Re: ordinations last night From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:43:30 EDT   In a message dated 5/27/99 8:23:39 PM Central Daylight Time, budchris@earthlink.net writes:   << "No, I mean the ORGAN. SURELY you're not going to move this THING (Le Grand Hammond) into the new building!" (chortle, chortle ... all he has to do is say, "Father Steve, SURELY you're going to have a REAL organ in the new church", and, voila, we will have a real organ.) Thank GOD for hierarchical churches (grin). >>   Glad to hear it Bud!   True, there's nothing like someone throwing their Episcopal weight around to get things moving! :-)   John  
(back) Subject: Clavieruebung Vater Unser From: Bud/burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 08:54:12 -0700   Does anybody play the large "Vater unser" from the Clavieruebung? If so, do you have any pithy suggestions as to how to get the beast off the ground? I play the rest of the Clavieruebung, large and small versions, but I've been wrestling with the large "Vater unser" for twenty years. Even Keller says its probably best realized by a string quintet (!). I'm chewing on playing a long-delayed recital of all or part of it, but I would like to crack that particular nut. Somebody else said that they've only heard women recitalists (Crozier, Gary) bring the thing off ... wonder why?   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner From: "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:17:52 -0400   Dear fellow listers In my search for transfer schools specifically in the music and computer fields, I came across Cornell University in Ithaca, NY. Browsing through the college website, I came across the fact that there is a 3,850 pipe Aeolian-Skinner organ housed in the Sage Chapel. Does anyone have specs. for the organ? Or any idea of the scope of the music department? Perhaps it may be worth posting it to the list(s). Appreciatively Jan Vanderstad    
(back) Subject: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept From: "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:58:44 -0400   Good afternoon again friends I see much favorable response reguarding Cornell. I have just discovered that Montclair State University- about one hour from me also has an organ department. Does anyone know the scope of this one? According to the little information I have, you can major in organ. However, not one word is mentioned reguarding the instruments on their campus. Info. would be appreciated. Jan VanDerStad    
(back) Subject: Re: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@DREAMSCAPE.COM> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:26:55 -0400   To: Jan Vanderstad,   The late Donald R.M. Paterson (former Associate Professor, University Organist, Sage Chapel Choirmaster and, one of the founding members of OHS) made a recording of organ music for Advent and Christmas on the Aeolian-Skinner in Sage Chapel -- Calcante CD #002. I am not sure if it is still in print but you may inquire either through the Organ Historical Society or Calcante Recordings, 209 Eastern Heights Drive, Ithaca, NY 14850. The recording dates from 1992.   Best regards,   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com   ---------- > From: Mr. Jan VanDerStad > Subject: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 1:17 PM > > Dear fellow listers > In my search for transfer schools specifically in the music and > computer fields, I came across Cornell University in Ithaca, NY. > Browsing through the college website, I came across the fact that > there is a 3,850 pipe Aeolian-Skinner organ housed in the Sage > Chapel. > Does anyone have specs. for the organ? Or any idea of the scope > of the music department? Perhaps it may be worth posting it to > the list(s).    
(back) Subject: Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept From: Adam and Christine Levin <levins@westnet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:31:14 -0400 (EDT)   On Sat, 29 May 1999, Mr. Jan VanDerStad wrote: > Good afternoon again friends > I see much favorable response reguarding Cornell. > I have just discovered that Montclair State University- about one > hour from me also has an organ department. > Does anyone know the scope of this one? According to the little > information I have, you can major in organ. > However, not one word is mentioned reguarding the instruments on > their campus. > Info. would be appreciated.   My organ teacher got his Masters at Montclair, if I remember correctly. However, as far as I know, the organ dept. there is no more. I live about 10 minutes from there, so I'll examine further and report back.   -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online! _/ Cuius testiculos habes, http://westnet.com/~levins/ _________/ habeas cardia et cerebellum. <*> __________________________/ Or, "When you have their full attention -O / in your grip, their heart and mind will follow."    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Xposting.......sorry. From: jon <jonberts@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:04:01 -0500   actually, I was the one that posted the message from the 6 x 9 card I got in the mail. Going to show it around at church tomorrow, and see what the Presbyterians think about it.   Jon Bertschinger     Icorgan@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 5/28/99 10:26:12 AM Central Daylight Time, > dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > > << "Come experience a casual atmosphere, with upbeat music, and hear words > >that will give real meaning to your life today!" >> > We have all those things here at fbcic, and I'm pleased to say it hasn't done > a !@#$% bit of good. In fact, the attendance seems to keep dropping. Two > things might be at work here...quality...sadly lacking except in the > organ...well you know...music...local taste...I consider this a very cultured > community, a large sprinkling of red necks notwithstanding, and most of the > efforts at CCC are miserable. So people are staying away from it in some > places. > > If for one will continue struggling to uphold my own musical morals and maybe > raise those of my parishioners. After last Sunday I at least know the church > moderator is on my side. > Maynard > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept From: "Mr. Jan VanDerStad" <dcob@nac.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:45:52 -0400   Adam- Thanks for your help- it is much appreciated. I only live one hour from there myself but havent the time of day to check things out. I am familiar with a company who maintains a couple of organs in that area so I am sure if I needed a place to practice arrangements could be made with them. Thanks to all for their advice.....of course organ is not going to be my main course of study- perhaps a minor. I am hoping to major in the computer field and concentrate in education as much as possible, But, Lets stay on topic :-) I would be curious to know if Montclair ever had a pipe organ or currently has organs of any kind; their specs., and where they have "disappeared" to. Jan VanDerStad   >My organ teacher got his Masters at Montclair, if I remember correctly. >However, as far as I know, the organ dept. there is no more. I live about >10 minutes from there, so I'll examine further and report back. > >-Adam      
(back) Subject: Re: Cornell University Aeolian-Skinner From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:09:05 -0500   Originally an Ernest M. Skinner, Op. 175, 1909. Rebuilt by Aeolian-Skinner with 67 stops in 1940. I'm afraid I don't have the specification. For many years OHS member Don Patterson was the University Organist and he has been sadly missed since he passed away a few years ago.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: June TAO, p. 32 From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:33:56 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Friends: On p. 32 of the new AGO magazine, the bottommost picture shows the judges and contestants of the Philadelphia organ competition. One of the contestants was Karl Geiger, who was in my former church. Needless to say, I was gratitfied to see that he has gone on to study organ at Westminster College in PA. I put a bug in his ear on more than one occasion to consider church music as a life's calling, because I thought he had what it takes, not only musically but dispositionally as well. So while that is not a picture of ME (good going, Jason!! BTW), it is a picture of the small influence my ministry may have played in his pursuits. As we used to say, "I'm tickled to death." Thanks for allowing me to reminisce and boast just a tiny bit. Happy Sunday to you all. --Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: Re: Recent AGO threads From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:36:06 -0400 (EDT)   Jason, Thanks for your two-bits about AGO. If more people would approach professional organist as you have they would function much better. Far too often people join an organization and immediately begin demanding all of the benefits that the organization is supposed to provide for them. The way to derive maximum benefit from AGO is to begin contributing TO it and becoming involved in its programs. As you contribute, you learn, and find others contributing to you. It's too bad that so many people seem to have a vending machine approach to life.     bruce cornely cremona84000@webtv.net   When a man's best friend is his dog, that dog has a problem. -- Edward Abbey    
(back) Subject: Re: Recent AGO threads From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:16:53 -0400 (EDT)   To this day, I have yet to find an elitist AGO chapter. The Ocean County NJ chapter is down-right laid back and "FUN". At present, I'm the only full-time musician in it--my colleagues in this chapter help me keep my bearings. Last October (I think it was), I attended the wonderful day long Tribute to Andre Marchal at St. Thomas Church in NYC. There were so many wonderful, and yes BIG NAME, folks there. But you know what? I felt like I belonged. You know why? Because I did belong. I was treated as a colleague, because I am a colleague. Incidentally, I arrived at that even not knowing a thing about Mssr. Marchal. I left feeling like he was a dear friend. You all should have heard the closing recital--WOW. All because I am a member of the world's largest musical organization. Peace to you all. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:34:51 -0400 (EDT)   Jan, does Jon Gillock ring a bell to you? As in the Messiaen expert? At last report, he's at Montclair. Montclair is not a bad school. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Montclair State University, NJ organ dept From: Oboe32@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:28:49 EDT   Dr. David messineo, who has his under grad., grad, and Phds in organ performance ALL from Julliard, is the organ prof. The program is growing, and they will soon be getting a II or III manual practice organ/recital instrument, as they currently use a few local churches.