PipeChat Digest #1160 - Monday, November 15, 1999
 
Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing (from	 Choralist)?
  by "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at>
Re: Metropolitan Opera House
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
RE: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing (from	Choralist)?
  by "Tim Byram-Wigfield" <t_byram-wigfield@jesus.cam.ac.uk>
Re: AMADEUS
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Barcelona
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted)
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
A REAL silly question...
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Fw: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing?
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing?
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: A REAL silly question...
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: A REAL silly question...
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing?
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: A REAL silly question...
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: A REAL silly question...
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing (from Choralist)? From: "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:33:36 +0100       ---------- >Pat Maimone writes: (in reference to an original message from Terry Koch = to CHORALIST) > > Dear Pipechatters, > Do you have any ideas for this Choralist member on how the = Organist > can teach the Art Hymn Singing? > Choralist policy encourages private replies.   Am I wrong to presume that this is a subject of great interest for many of us? Why not discuss it here "in public"?   I remember that I myself always had certain difficulties in bringing new hymns to the congregation's notice (against the eternal statement: "Why shall we learn this? Since now, we did jolly well without that one!" .... and so on and so forth).   I would very much appreciate to hear how this problem is handled by others!   Greetings   Gertraud Stiskal  
(back) Subject: Re: Metropolitan Opera House From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 05:42:00 -0800 (PST)   The organ of the Metropolitan Opera is an Aeolian-Skinner and remains in the opera house to this day. It was the organ of Philharmonic Hall (now called Avery Fisher Hall) that was moved to the Crystal Cathedral. That instrumene is intact and one has the possibility of using the Aeolian-Skinner stops only, thereby hearing the grand instrument. The Cryytal Cathedral has a much more live acoustic than Avery Fisher, and it actually is a pleasure to hear the old instrument in warmer acoustics. At the Crystal Cathedral, one has the ability of using these stops or just the Ruffatti, or both.   --- Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> wrote: > At 05:37 PM 11/12/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > >> I > >> believe that may be the Aeolian Skinner that's at > the Met- > > > >I think that is the organ that is now in the > Crystal Cathedral. > > Yes, the =C6-S is at the Glass of Crass...after being > slathered with marinara > sauce. A tragic fate for a great later-era =C6-S > work, IMHO. > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing (from Choralist)? From: "Tim Byram-Wigfield" <t_byram-wigfield@jesus.cam.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:46:55 -0000   Hear hear!   Tim BW     > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Gertraud Stiskal > Sent: 14 November 1999 11:34 > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing (from > Choralist)? > > > > > ---------- > >Pat Maimone writes: (in reference to an original message from > Terry Koch to > CHORALIST) > > > > Dear Pipechatters, > > Do you have any ideas for this Choralist member on how > the Organist > > can teach the Art Hymn Singing? > > Choralist policy encourages private replies. > > Am I wrong to presume that this is a subject of great interest for > many of us? Why not discuss it here "in public"? > > I remember that I myself always had certain difficulties in bringing > new hymns to the congregation's notice (against the eternal statement: > "Why shall we learn this? Since now, we did jolly well without that = one!" > ... and so on and so forth). > > I would very much appreciate to hear how this problem is handled > by others! > > Greetings > > Gertraud Stiskal > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: AMADEUS From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:32:36 -0000   >I use a program called NoteWorthy Composer, available from >http://www.ntworthy.com/ > >You can download an evaluation copy, which will do everything but print, >and a full copy is only about $45. Great program! > >Regards, > >Bob     I used to use this until the shareware version ran out - it's very good = and easy to use,   Richard      
(back) Subject: Barcelona From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:23:40 -0400   Hi, List- I am going to be in Barcelona and Vaduz at the end of February 2000. Anyone have any information on what's there, or anywhere in between? I played several Portuguese organs a few years ago, and I'd like to check out the differences (subtle, yes, but I'm told that there are some) = between Iberian instruments from opposite sides of the peninsula.   Thanks,   Paul Opel   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted) From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:43:42 -0800   Next Tuesday at 8 p.m., University Organist Thomas Harmon will re-inaugurate the mighty UCLA Royce Hall Skinner (virtually demolished by the Northridge earthquake in 1994) with the Jongen Symphonie Concertante and Mark Carlson's Concerto for Organ and Orchestra (1997) with the UCLA Philharmonia under Jon Robertson. Tickets: $14. Phone: (310) 825-2101.   There's an extensive piece on it in today's LA Times Calendar section. The organ has been enlarged from four to five manuals (new console by Robert Turner), and from 80 to 104 ranks (an additional division ... the article doesn't say what), but it does say that additional ranks were added so the organ can better play baroque and contemporary music.   I can't go, but if anybody in So Cal DOES, I'd LOVE to hear about it.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted) From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:32:20   At 01:43 PM 11/14/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Next Tuesday at 8 p.m., University Organist Thomas Harmon will >re-inaugurate the mighty UCLA Royce Hall Skinner<various snippage>   >I can't go, but if anybody in So Cal DOES, I'd LOVE to hear about = it.<snip>   DeserTBoB, bon vivant and critique du tout le monde, will journey southward, attend and give his inimitable review at a later date. Film at = 11.    
(back) Subject: A REAL silly question... From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:36:20 -0600   Greetings, Friends!   Admittedly not to any topic in particular (and with the requisite = apologies to David and everyone), I nonetheless wonder:   I recently heard (on a NPR show) a wonderful parody of "All Things Bright and Beautiful" titled "All Things Dull and Ugly". I believe it's by Eric Idle (sp?) of Monty Python fame.   If anyone might possibly have lyrics to this or info of where it's recorded, I'd love to have them/it.   Private replies might be best, unless you think the list would enjoy = it...<G>   Feeling silly on a Sunday afternoon,   Tim <tmbovard@arkansas.net>  
(back) Subject: Fw: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:51:06 -0500   Bud... Wish I could go hear Jongens' Concertante --I LOVE that piece!   Rick   ----- Original Message ----- From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> To: organchat <organchat@onelist.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 4:43 PM Subject: Royce Hall SKinner (X-posted)     > Next Tuesday at 8 p.m., University Organist Thomas Harmon will > re-inaugurate the mighty UCLA Royce Hall Skinner (virtually demolished > by the Northridge earthquake in 1994) with the Jongen Symphonie > Concertante and Mark Carlson's Concerto for Organ and Orchestra (1997) > with the UCLA Philharmonia under Jon Robertson. Tickets: $14. Phone: > (310) 825-2101. > > There's an extensive piece on it in today's LA Times Calendar section. > The organ has been enlarged from four to five manuals (new console by > Robert Turner), and from 80 to 104 ranks (an additional division ... the > article doesn't say what), but it does say that additional ranks were > added so the organ can better play baroque and contemporary music. > > I can't go, but if anybody in So Cal DOES, I'd LOVE to hear about it. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing? From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:21:16 -0500 (EST)   I could wax on and on about this. But I must admit, I work in a Methodist congregation that really sings. The basic principles are the same in any church, however.   Is the question, teaching the congregation how to sing? teaching a new hymn? I'm puzzled and so don't know how to respond appropriately.   There are so many angles we can discuss-- this will be a wonderful thread. Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing? From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:37:11 -0800   One could do worse than read John Wesley's directions for hymn-singing to the congregation ... I don't have a Methodist Hymnal at hand, but I think they still print them in the front ... the Methodist equivalent of Father Rossini's "Don't scoop, slide, hum or growl" (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   N Brown wrote:   > I could wax on and on about this. But I must admit, I work in a > Methodist congregation that really sings. The basic principles are the > same in any church, however. > > Is the question, teaching the congregation how to sing? teaching a new > hymn? I'm puzzled and so don't know how to respond appropriately. > > There are so many angles we can discuss-- this will be a wonderful > thread. > > Neil > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A REAL silly question... From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:19:25 -0600   Tim and others, here are the words to Monty Python's "All Things Dull and Ugly" to the tune of "All Things Bright and Beautiful". I'm only doing this because it's Organchat, and I can get away with it!   All things dull and ugly All creatures short and squat All things rude and nasty The Lord God made the lot   Each little snake that poisons Each little wasp that stings He made their brutish venom He made their horrid wings   All things sick and cancerous All evil great and small All things foul and dangerous The Lord God made them all   Each nasty little hornet Each beastly little squid Who made the spikey urchin? Who made the sharks? He did.   All things scabbed and ulcerous All pox both great and small Putrid, foul and gangrenous The Lord God made them all   Amen.   I'm going to get in trouble for this one way or another, aren't I? Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 5:36 PM Subject: A REAL silly question...     > Greetings, Friends! > > Admittedly not to any topic in particular (and with the requisite apologies > to David and everyone), I nonetheless wonder: > > I recently heard (on a NPR show) a wonderful parody of "All Things = Bright > and Beautiful" titled "All Things Dull and Ugly". I believe it's by = Eric > Idle (sp?) of Monty Python fame. > > If anyone might possibly have lyrics to this or info of where it's > recorded, I'd love to have them/it. > > Private replies might be best, unless you think the list would enjoy it...<G> > > Feeling silly on a Sunday afternoon, > > Tim > <tmbovard@arkansas.net> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: A REAL silly question... From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:33:00 -0600   Now I know there's more going on around me than I can handle. This is pipechat, isn't it? Now I really know I'm going to be in trouble. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com      
(back) Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing? From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:33:21 -0600   Once again, a handy helpful book to the rescue.   Directions For Singing I. Learn these tunes before you learn any others, afterwards, learn as = many as you please.   II. Sing them exactly as they are printed here, without altering or = mending them at all; and if you have learned to sing them otherwise, unlearn it as soon as you can.   III. Sing all. See that you join with the congregation as frequently as you can. Let not a slight degree of weakness or weariness hinder you. If it is a cross to you, take it up, and you will find it a blessing.   IV. Sing lustily and with a good courage. Beware of singing as if you = were half dead, or half asleep; but lift up your voice with strength. Be no = more afraid of your voice now, nor more ashamed of its being heard, than when = you sung the songs of Satan.   V. Sing modestly. Do not bawl, so as to be heard above or distinct from the rest of the congregation, that you may not destroy the harmony; but strive to unite your voices together, so as to make once clear melodious sound.   VI. Sing in time. Whatever time is sung be sure to keep with it. Do not run before nor stay behind it; but attend close to the leading voices, and move therewith as exactly as you can; and take care not to sing too slow. This drawling way naturally steals on all who are lazy and it is high time to drive it out from us, and sing all our tunes just as quick as we did at first.   VII. Above all sing spiritually. Have an eye to God in every word you sing. Aim at pleasing him more than yourself, or any other creature. In order to do this attend strictly to the sense of what you sing, and see = that your heart is not carried away with the sound, but offered to God continually; so shall your singing be such as the Lord will approve here, and reward you when he cometh in the clouds of heaven.   From John Wesley's "Select Hymns", 1761 ----- Original Message ----- From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: Re: How can the organist help in teaching Hymn-singing?     > One could do worse than read John Wesley's directions for hymn-singing = to > the congregation ... I don't have a Methodist Hymnal at hand, but I = think > they still print them in the front ... the Methodist equivalent of = Father > Rossini's "Don't scoop, slide, hum or growl" (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > N Brown wrote: > > > I could wax on and on about this. But I must admit, I work in a > > Methodist congregation that really sings. The basic principles are = the > > same in any church, however. > > > > Is the question, teaching the congregation how to sing? teaching a = new > > hymn? I'm puzzled and so don't know how to respond appropriately. > > > > There are so many angles we can discuss-- this will be a wonderful > > thread. > > > > Neil > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: A REAL silly question... From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:40:52 -0500       Brent Johnson wrote: > > Now I know there's more going on around me than I can handle. This is > pipechat, isn't it? Now I really know I'm going to be in trouble. > Brent Johnson > The Organ Web Ring > http://www.organwebring.com > brent@organwebring.com     You are Fired.   Sincerely, PipeChat       BTW :) :) :) Thank you for the Resource: http://www.organwebring.com  
(back) Subject: Re: A REAL silly question... From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:26:00 -0600   > > You are Fired. > > Sincerely, > PipeChat   > BTW :) :) :) > Thank you for the Resource: > http://www.organwebring.com > Oh, shoot, but thanks for mentioning the Organ Web Ring. I should take = some time out to possibly introduce those unfamiliar with it to The Organ Web Ring (and to divert attention away from my many daily mistakes.) The Organ Web Ring connects web sites of (get this) organ-related content. Therefore this message is directed towards two groups of people: 1, those who enjoy viewing organ-related content on the web, and 2, those who enjoy putting organ related content on the web.   For those of you in category 1, The Organ Web Ring is currently connecting 217 different and unique web pages about stuff I can't even begin to tell you about. To begin browsing sites in the web, visit http://www.organwebring.com .   For those of you in category 2, The Organ Web Ring brings visitors from category 1 to your site, and puts it among other similar sites. It will even track how much traffic your site gets from the ring. Your web site only has to have something to do with organs, organists, organ music, = etc., and a small piece of HTML code. To join up and get more information, = visit the web ring home page at http://www.organwebring.com . It's free and simple.   Thanks! Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com brent@organwebring.com