PipeChat Digest #1164 - Thursday, November 18, 1999
 
Re: Requested repost of new hymn
  by "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at>
Re: Requested repost of new hymn
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com>
Re: A question about bugs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Fw: A question about bugs
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: A question about bugs
  by <LeliaLoban@aol.com>
Re: A question about bugs
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: A question about bugs
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
Pipe search
  by "Irwin Franklin" <irwinfranklin@yahoo.com>
A question about bugs
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: Requested repost of new hymn
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: A question about bugs
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: St. Denio / Joanna
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fwd: Part-time Music Director Position in metro Detroit
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Christ Church --Jordan
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Christ Church --Jordan
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: Pipedreams in Iowa
  by "jeff korns" <jakorns@worldnet.att.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Requested repost of new hymn From: "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:12:41 +0100   >"Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> wrote:   > New Hymn > To be sung to the tune ST.DENIO, otherwise known as "Immortal, = Invisible" > > Immoral, impossible, God only knows > How tenors and basses, sopranos, altos > At service on Sunday are rarely the same > As those who on Wednesday to choir practice came > (... and so on ...)     This is truly great! I have to admit to my shame that I laughed heartily! It seems that Choir Directors' Difficulties are following the very same pattern all around our old globe. I can confirm each verse of the poem - except the last line: Mine were never asleep .... !   Gertraud Stiskal (Vienna, Austria)   P.S.: Could you please give me a hint where to look up the tune St. Denio? Thanks!  
(back) Subject: Re: Requested repost of new hymn From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:05:33 -0500       Just about any American, Canadian or English hymnal will have the tune. = It's possible that it could have a name other than St. Denio. Check the = Metrical Index for: 11,11,11,11.   Wayne NYC & Milford, PA         "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at> on 11/17/99 05:12:41 AM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>, PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: Re: Requested repost of new hymn         >"Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> wrote:   > New Hymn > To be sung to the tune ST.DENIO, otherwise known as "Immortal, = Invisible" > > Immoral, impossible, God only knows > How tenors and basses, sopranos, altos > At service on Sunday are rarely the same > As those who on Wednesday to choir practice came > (... and so on ...)     This is truly great! I have to admit to my shame that I laughed heartily! It seems that Choir Directors' Difficulties are following the very same pattern all around our old globe. I can confirm each verse of the poem - except the last line: Mine were never asleep .... !   Gertraud Stiskal (Vienna, Austria)   P.S.: Could you please give me a hint where to look up the tune St. Denio? Thanks!   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Re: A question about bugs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:31:11 -0600   Tim Byram-Wigfield wrote: > > Woodworm has just been discovered in our 19th panelling in Jesus College > Chapel in Cambridge...unfortunately the bugs didn't have the sense to = eat > the 'experimental' Mander organ, they just ate the quality woodwork!   Let's hope they don't go poking their probosces into the Sutton organ.   John Speller.  
(back) Subject: Fw: A question about bugs From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:19:38 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:58 PM Subject: Re: A question about bugs     > I knew VWs would come up, I thought about it myself. I seem to recall > loving the 1968 model year the most. And to think they cost only about > $1,600 loaded back then. > > Cars and organs. Perfect together!! > --Neil   > Boys and their toys!!     > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: A question about bugs From: LeliaLoban@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:16:47 EST     Rick VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote, <...As for chamber damage, I've not yet run into organs with any. Bird skeletons in large bass pipes are the only real bug, animal, rodent = "damage" found yet. In the 70s, A friend was uncrating trumpet pipes when he saw something out of the corner of his eye. Further investigation found a = snake (15-20-inches long) holed up in a pipe --EEEWWWW!!>   As a college student back in the late 1960s, I spent a summer with my aunt =   and uncle in NYC. My aunt worked at newly-opened Lincoln Center, where = she got me a summer job as a lowly gofer. My Uncle Bill gave me lessons in a church where he played on an old organ that had seen better days. Unable = to persuade the church budget people to fund a major overhaul, he finally badgered the maintenance man into helping him out with some of the worst problems. In particular, an open diapason (I think it was in the Ripieno = on the Great -- someplace where there was really no way to avoid using it, anyhow) made a whistling, wheezing noise. It was driving my uncle nuts = and it was getting louder every day. So the maintenance guy (grumbling and groaning the whole time) climbed up there, pulled the pipe, turned it = upside down ... and dumped out a dead mouse. Evidently as the corpse decomposed, = it gradually dried out, and started to flap in the breeze a bit more every = day. (Speaking of EEEEEEWWWW.) I'm putting an exaggerated version of this = scene into _Passacaglia and Fugue_, although since it's a horror novel, = naturally instead of the poor little mouse in the Great, it's a huge dead rat in the =   Pedal!   Lelia  
(back) Subject: Re: A question about bugs From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:30:54 -0800   At 09:16 AM 11/17/1999 EST, you wrote: >In particular, an open diapason...made a whistling, wheezing noise. >the maintenance guy...climbed up there, pulled the pipe, turned it upside =   >down ... and dumped out a dead mouse. Evidently as the corpse = decomposed, it >gradually dried out, and started to flap in the breeze a bit more every = day.     For years, the blower on the organ in San Francisco's Orpheum theatre (a big Spencer on their 4m/22rk Morton) would rattle severly during startup. We sent out the blower motor to have the bearings replaced, and the = problem persisted. After the organ had been sold, we removed the windline, and in an 'S' bend of the line found a completely dried out rat. My guess is = that he climbed up there, could go no farther, and died. When the first rush = of air hit that section of line, it would rattle around, creating the extremely annoying sound. The rat is now immortalized in a 'tomb' of Lucite, and is serving as a paperweight, a fitting memorial to the HOURS = we spent trying to fix a 'blower problem'...     Regards,   Bob   http://www.jps.net/rrloesch   Time flies whether you're having fun or not!   The best things in life aren't THINGS.  
(back) Subject: Re: A question about bugs From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:43:14 -0600   Years ago when I first visited the Robert Morton organ in the Waikiki Theatre I was cautioned about the green powder sprinkled around the organ chamber floor. It was identified as arsenic used to keep termites out of the organ. I understand that termites are a severe problem in the Hawaiin Islands. Must have worked because I've never heard of termite damage to either of the Robert Mortons...the other is in the Hawaii Theatre (which was the original home for the Waikiki organ = and is now home to the former Princess Theatre organ...Princess Theatre was torn down. Another hazard in visiting the Waikiki organ was the steel ladder which jogged to get to the side of the organ chamber...wasn't bad going up, but coming down you could have a problem where the ladder ran out at the jog.   jch --      
(back) Subject: Pipe search From: Irwin Franklin <irwinfranklin@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:26:27 -0800 (PST)   I have the bottom three octaves of a Vox Humana and would like to find the top two to match if possible. All I have to go on is some writing on the lowest pipe. The writing is: 5355 Vox Hum A440 CC61 5WP 701 or 704 or 70f JE Wolf   If this makes sense to anyone, I would appreciate a response to: tmoore@unanov.una.edu     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: A question about bugs From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:49:05 -0600   On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:32:32 -0500 (EST), Neil Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> writes:   > Friends:   <intro snipped>   > Are there instances where termites have gotten into organ > chambers, pipes, chests, or heaven-forbid, consoles?   Last Spring, I was in New Orleans assisting with the removal of a Wicks organ from a Lutheran Church which had become redundant and the church was taken-over by a black congregation having no interest or use for the pipe organ.   As we proceeded to remove a couple of the chests, they fell apart in our hands while Termites scurried everywhere!   Out into the yard they went, along with a frantic call to the exterminator.   Everything made of wood that came out of that organ went through a fumigation process in order to make sure that whatever was lurking in the wood fibers was VERY dead before it got a chance to take up residence elsewhere!   Needless to say: the Black Baptists have a job on their hands, so it may be a good thing the Lutherans got out while they could!   I'd never seen QUITE that much of an infestation before, especially in view of the fact that the organ was located in the gallery, and the chests which were infested were located some distance off the Balcony floor (mounted to a Brick wall, no less!!), but I suppose if they're determined to get at that Highland, IL snack, then they'll do whatever it takes. Strangely enough: chests and frames nearer to the floor were left unscathed. Go figure.   Faithfully,   "Arp in the Corn Patch" Richard Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL   rnjs@family-net.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Website URL  
(back) Subject: Re: Requested repost of new hymn From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:25:21 -0500   On the other hand:   This particular bit of Internet humor has been around before on the Anglican Music listserv. Last time, a vestryman and sometime warden of my home parish thoughtfully reposted it for the benefit of any musicians in the parish who didn't read it the first time. As it happens, both that choir and the one I'm singing in these days are semi-pro choirs (1/4 to = 1/3 paid, the rest with comparable music skills and sense of responsibility), and in that context I thought it was insulting.   St. Denio is used with "Immortal, Invisible" in most mainstream denomination hymnals in the U.S., including the Episcopal _Hymnal 1982_. It's also in the older edition of _The English Hymnal_. I don't know = about other denominations outside the U.S. At 11:12 AM 11/17/1999 +0100, Gertrude Stiskal wrote: >>"Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> wrote: > >> New Hymn >> To be sung to the tune ST.DENIO, otherwise known as "Immortal, = Invisible" >> >> Immoral, impossible, God only knows >> How tenors and basses, sopranos, altos >> At service on Sunday are rarely the same >> As those who on Wednesday to choir practice came >> (... and so on ...) > > >This is truly great! I have to admit to my shame that I laughed = heartily! >It seems that Choir Directors' Difficulties are following the very same >pattern all around our old globe. >I can confirm each verse of the poem - except the last line: Mine were >never asleep .... ! > >Gertraud Stiskal >(Vienna, Austria) > >P.S.: Could you please give me a hint where to look up the tune St. = Denio? >Thanks! > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: A question about bugs From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:58:28 -0500   Speaking of saving dead rodents found in pipes, the bird skeletons I found in the bourdon pipes -I saved and brought them back to Indiana. A friend promptly sprayed them gold and used them for Halloween ornaments. We named them Paducah Moe, Larry, and Curly.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Denio / Joanna From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:36:03 -0500   St. Denio is also known as "Joanna" and should be found in most English-language hymnals (it is a traditional Welsh secular tune, from = late 18th-early 19th centuries, used with a variety of lyrics). It is in Lutheran Book of Worship (ELCA, USA), and in the Worship Supplement (1969) to the Lutheran Hymnal of the LCMS.   Alan   > From: "Gertraud Stiskal" <gertraud.stiskal@EUnet.at> > > P.S.: Could you please give me a hint where to look up the tune St. = Denio? > Thanks!    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Part-time Music Director Position in metro Detroit From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:30:19 -0600   The following message was received by the Administration account.=20 Please reply directly to the address below as this person is not on=20 the list.   David   **********************************************************************=20 ******************* >From: Jwinge@aol.com >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:50:08 EST >Subject: Part-time Music Director Position in metro Detroit > > >We are seeking a part-time Music Director at King of Kings Lutheran Church, >1715 S. Lapeer Road, Lake Orion, MI 48360. This person would direct all >duties/functions relevant to the parish music program; supervises organist, >and directs praise team, adult choir and children's choir. Two Sunday >services and special services. Bachelor=EDs degree preferred in Music and/o= r >Music Education. High degree of proficiency in directing choirs and >supporting congregational singing. Choral skills required. Accompanist skil= ls >preferred. A broad range of musical knowledge and ability to work with a >variety of instruments preferred. Salary range is $15,000-$20,000/year. >Position open January 3, 2000. Send resume to Jane Winge, Council President= , >at church address, fax 248-693-1026 or email jwinge@aol.com. **********************************************************************=20 ********************   **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Christ Church --Jordan From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:56:46 -0500 (EST)   Can whoever posted about this church originally please email me? It's my old ( I do mean OLD) stomping grounds and I'd love to chat with you. Sorry to post this openly, but I have yet to receive the original post, Web being what it is lately. --Neil (Innkawgneeto@webtv.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Church --Jordan From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:45:29 -0500   Hi Neil,   It's Rebekah Ingram, organist of Christ Church, Jordan and, an organ = student at Syracuse University.   By the way, my server rejected your private email address so I had to send this via PipeChat.   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse (E. M. Skinner) orge@dreamscape.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:56 PM Subject: Christ Church --Jordan     > Can whoever posted about this church originally please email me? It's > my old ( I do mean OLD) stomping grounds and I'd love to chat with you. > Sorry to post this openly, but I have yet to receive the original post, > Web being what it is lately. > --Neil (Innkawgneeto@webtv.net) >      
(back) Subject: RE: Pipedreams in Iowa From: jeff korns <jakorns@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:16:21 -0600   Being associated with the group (CRATOS) that was responsible for the convention that featured the three organs heard on the recent MPR pipedreams program I might shed some light on the instruments, as it was related to me. 1. The slow tremulants on the Wurlitzer 3m/12r were the result of the musical taste of nationally known technicians that did some revoicing of the instrument. One of the technicians was a featured artist on the program. At our next concert after the convention the speed of the trems was adjusted to a more conventional rate. 2. The sound difference also has to do with the microphone location. The Paramount which houses the Wurlie, is a 2,000 seat auditorium with lots of sound absorbing plaster nooks and draperies. The Iowa theater which has the Barton is reduced from 1800 seats to 500 and is really a box with little plaster ornament. The microphones and audience are much closer to the chambers in the Iowa theater. It also helps that the Barton is on higher wind pressure than the Wurlie. 3. The Barton was built by Wangerin. The voicing is different than many Bartons because it was done by Wangerin. It really snaps, especially those strings Solo, VDO and its celeste. Some re-voicing was done by the late Dave Junchen - the English Horn was turned into a Post Horn, although you can hear the break back into the original voicing in the upper octaves. 4. The Skinner is in a very dead hall. I remember talking with Michael Barone and he wondered how it sounded in its' original home. Well the original home was the municipal auditorium in Cedar Rapids which is a concrete hall. The organ probably blew people out of the room, as the floors and the side walls and columns are all concrete. The Skinner was stuck in its' current location in the late 1940's and has suffered some misguided additions and subtractions over the years, but is 97% original. It was never voiced for the room, and the room is lousy. The console is in the orchestra pit, not on a lift, and the chambers leave something to be desired. But it is a surviving example of Skinner's work and ideas of the late 1920's, and the college is to be commended for not scrapping or mutilating the instrument for something that is more "contemporary". Hope this sheds a little light on the organs in the program.