PipeChat Digest #1177 - Tuesday, November 30, 1999
 
Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em
  by "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com>
RE: New Pipe Organ
  by <steve@open-tech.com>
Re: Silent prayer, accompanied
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: New Pipe Organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Abbott and Seeker unit organ
  by "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com>
The Diapason - Looking Back
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Scott Foppiano TO concert
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: The Diapason - Looking Back
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: The Diapason - Looking Back
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ
  by "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net>
Re: The Diapason - Looking Back
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: The Diapason - Looking Back
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ
  by "harvey smoller" <HARV8@email.msn.com>
Re: The Diapason - Looking Back
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:09:53 -0600   Bob Scarborough wrote:     > I understand he plays for Anglican "evensong", also. Does this mean = that > Anglicans have "oddsong", also?   No, we Anglicans don't have oddsong. We have three main kinds of service -- matings, evensnog and snug eucharist. These are odd enough for most people.   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:18:18 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:09 AM Subject: Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em   > No, we Anglicans don't have oddsong. We have three main kinds of > service -- matings, evensnog and snug eucharist. These are odd enough > for most people.   Looks like you've been having a few drinks too, John. ;)   I hear the Methodists in Jordan had Lessons and Creols...er...Carols last night.   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: When To Hold 'Em and When To Fold 'Em From: "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:08:32 -0800 (PST)       --- Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> wrote: > > > Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > > > Maybe in some cases, but 't'aint always > necessarily so. If Jason's description > > is accurate, I might go for the Hammond.... > > After all, ya can't steal pipes from the Hammond. > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: New Pipe Organ From: <steve@open-tech.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:59:40 -0600   Hi Jason,   As a fellow Congregationalist I believe I have some ideas which may help. There are some unique aspects of the UCC which require leadership to make things happen. As the Music Department you and the Choir Director are in = a position to provide leadership, but it will appear self serving if other members of the congregation aren't behind you. That's where it appears = you are now.   First step is to drop the attitude. You're going to them hat in hand to = ask for money, be courteous and respectful. You job is to educate the congregation start small and get some influential support. If you had = some folks willing to offer funds specifically for music department = improvements your position would be a lot stronger because you would be offering money. These funds could be used to hire a consultant who presumable will support your position.   This larger funding of the project is something that can be spread out = over 3 years or so. The UCC has an organization called the Cornerstone Fund = that loans money to churches based on the congregation's committment to raise = the funds to repay. You can contact them through your state conference.   Have you befriended the moderator? Are you friendly with the Building and Grounds committee? It sounds to me as if some of the matters you describe are in fact dangerous. Bring them up once and show them to the = appropriate people (but in a friendly way). Start showing stewardship over your domain and stop whining and complaining.   If you don't get the pastor signed on as a supporter someone else will = sign him/her on against you. Get your pastor involved early and often. Basically this is a sales job and your mission is to sell the concept of a new organ and updated music department to the whole church because guess what? In a congregational church ever member gets a vote and they know who'll be paying for it. If you can't get the pastor behind you your project will never happen, plan accordingly.   Don't threaten to quit, it only makes you look bad. If you lose then you leave, but you paint yourself in a corner if you issue threats up front. You can express that you'll be dissatisfied and unhappy with an = electronic. Most of all don't begrudge the other improvements already made, even those that directly impact on the music program. Simply ask for the = improvements you need.   Finally you say the church averages $2,000 a week in offering. Believe it or not that's not a lot. How many members is your church? What's the annual budget? Do you ask for pledges first then budget (the smart way) = or do you budget then raise pledges to meet the need? We've discovered the latter limits generosity. My church has a mere 450 members and we're in fund raising mode now. So far pledges are about $160k or over $3k per = week or about $350/ member (including kids). But that's only about 120 pledges or well over $1000/ pledge. How do I know all this? I'm in leadership. = How did I get there? I volunteered. You can and should do the same. You'll have a better perspective on all the improvements needed in the church and = a better position to affect the outcome of relevant discussions. Also if = the congregation gets to know you (and presumably like you) they'll be more willing to help you do your job because you're no longer the organist, you're a fellow parishoner.   I hope that all helps. I'm in a similar process now. We've just = remodelled our fellowship hall (actually the entire old section of the church to the tune of $550k). When that loan is paid in 2.5 years I've already = mentioned an organ is a good next project (it always gets a laugh). Our pastor mentioned she wants new pews and we need them because we barely have = enough space now (imagine that, we're growing) in a sanctuary that's only 5 years old. We'll have plenty to work on and when we start discussing = improvements to our sanctuary in a few years and I'll be in a position to push an = organ. I'm not the organist so I can and will do it. Actually I can see it in my mind and I know it will be there in time.   Cheers, Steve Chandler   >The 22 ranks that this organ has is rather limiting in both dynamics, accompaniment, and solo literature.   we (the choir director and I) see the need for a new and larger instrument, but the church says they cannot afford it. Which is a load of bull. They just... <snip discussion of various improvements made and paid for> To me, it certainly doesn't look like they have a money problem. But, when it comes to the music department, they don't give a horses' ---.   The Choir Room is more like a closet with a lot of carpeting. It doesn't even have a window. You Choir directors know how hot it gots in a room when you have over 20 people singing for two hours! I love the church, but the facilities I have to work with are JUST NOT good quality or good for use at all. They could easily take out the back wall of the chamber and enlarge it. A new music department coule easily be built on top of the education wing with a larger organ chamber, a larger organ, a single level to the choir loft, a larger choir loft, and an elevator making each level of the building 100% accessible. This is a shame for the music department is 90% of the service of the church.   If you have any suggestions for me or the choir director to get our new music department, please tell me! We love the congregation and the acoustics of this building and we are in controll of ONLY the music department.   Thanks for the help,   Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ Organist/Choir Director | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ O 20+ member choir   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.   -    
(back) Subject: Re: Silent prayer, accompanied From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:22:59 -0500   > From: "Jason D. Comet" <bombarde8@juno.com> > > The service is broadcasted over the > radio waves and a silent prayer does not go over very well.   Jason, this is certainly the LEAST of your problems, but there is a = possible suggestion. Break up the silent prayer into four or five parts, each with = a one-sentence spoken petition followed by silence--but the silence only 15 = or 20 seconds (at MOST) at a time. And thus, of course, no organ playing during a prayer.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: New Pipe Organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:41:41 -0500   Steve Chandlers advice to the "Know When To Fold 'Em" problem is very good indeed, and should be considered. I heartily agree. I had some-what the same situation in Paducah - the central heat and air came first, a new parish hall, buying up property next to the church for further parking. These funds, the church provided. Two people (one I met, the other remains a mystery) pitched in the money = for the Reuter restoration. The one doner told me, "When I die, I DON'T want = to hear guitar music at my funeral". Go figure. The church- tho very supportive of finishing the organ and very helpful, = in no way contributed a dime -it was not on their priority list. Thanks to = the two gals who formed the "get the organ fixed" (no pun) committee, St = Francis now has a wonderful playing instrument to let sit another 20 years! I ain't b----in' -NO WAY. I'm very thankful for the work, but sometimes dealing with churches can be SOOoooo cantankerous!   Shoot me now, Rick      
(back) Subject: Abbott and Seeker unit organ From: "Jon Roussos" <Jon.Roussos@trw.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:45:32 -0800   I have just acquired a six rank Abbott and Seeker pipe organ. This instrument was just removed from Good Samaritan Episcopal in San Diego. = The organ was replaced by an appliance, which was a done deal before it came available to me.   Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this instrument. The console has an Abbott and Seeker name plate but no Opus number.   Any help tracing the lineage of this instrument will be appreciated Thanks Jon Roussos    
(back) Subject: The Diapason - Looking Back From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:06:51 EST   The 90th Anniversary edition of the Diapason arrived today. In the = "Looking back" column on Page 14, 75 years ago the magazine reported that "the = Aeolian Organ Company won the contract for a six-manual organ for the Kindt Concertorium Theatre in Davenport Iowa."   Was this instrument ever built?   Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Scott Foppiano TO concert From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:06:43 -0500 (EST)   Last Saturday evening Scott played the III/20 Wurly owned and maintained by the PATOS* in Keystone Oaks HS auditorium, Dormont, Pittsburgh. It was a great evening. His offerings included the score of "Mame" and some Christmas music - Yon's 'Gesu Bambino' (Pietro Yon being dear to Scott's heart as one of the consultants for the Grande Kilgen at the Shrine in Royal Oak.) Scott's car bears the Michigan license plate KILGEN, and he had to drive it back to Royal Oak yet Saturday night to play a 7:30AM mass yesterday. Good to see you again and hear you play in TO style, Scott.   *Pittsburgh Area Theatre Organ Society. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: The Diapason - Looking Back From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:48:06 -0800   At 06:06 PM 11/29/1999 EST, you wrote: >The 90th Anniversary edition of the Diapason arrived today. In the = "Looking >back" column on Page 14, 75 years ago the magazine reported that "the Aeolian >Organ Company won the contract for a six-manual organ for the Kindt >Concertorium Theatre in Davenport Iowa." > >Was this instrument ever built?     Unfortunately, no. Dave Junchen has a photo of the model console in Vol 1 of his "Encyclopedia..."     Regards,   Bob   http://www.jps.net/rrloesch   Time flies whether you're having fun or not!   The best things in life aren't THINGS.  
(back) Subject: Re: The Diapason - Looking Back From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:14:58 -0600   At 11/29/99 06:06 PM, you wrote: >The 90th Anniversary edition of the Diapason arrived today. In the "Looking= =20 >back" column on Page 14, 75 years ago the magazine reported that "the= Aeolian=20 >Organ Company won the contract for a six-manual organ for the Kindt=20 >Concertorium Theatre in Davenport Iowa." > >Was this instrument ever built?   Dear Jerry, Bob, and List --   As Bob accurately reported, the organ was never built, though the Junchen Encyclopedia does contain some information about it. =20   The main reason for its 'non-construction' was the simple fact that the theatre which was to house it was never built. I lived in Rock Island IL (just across the Mississippi River from Davenport IA) for about 10 years, and have always wished that history had taken a different course in that regard...   The Capitol Theatre in downtown Davenport does house its original theatre organ, though, a 3m/10rk Wicks instrument that was a reconfiguration/rebuild of a 4m/23rk M=F6ller installed when the building wa= s new (the M=F6ller sustained massive water damage early in its life). This theatre and organ are pictured in the Junchen book, in the M=F6ller chapter: vol I, p. 369. =20   The Aeolian for the non-existent Kindt theatre is mentioned on p. 23 of vol I, and the console model is pictured on p. 26. Incidentally, the Palmer residence Aeolian organ also mentioned there is still extant, to the best of my recollection, though the 'residence' is now a part of the Palmer College of Chiropractic.   Cheers!   Tim =20      
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:09:23   At 02:45 PM 11/29/1999 -0800, you wrote:   >Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this >instrument. The console has an Abbott and Seeker name plate but no Opus >number. > >Any help tracing the lineage of this instrument will be appreciated   Why not pick up the phone and call A&S and ask them? Larry and Bud are still in the bizz (I think, not sure), and want to retire. Thier shop was on Pontius Ave. in LA.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ From: "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:47:49 -0800   Abbott and Sieker (sic, I think) were in LA ... I have no idea if they're = still in business ... you might ask Ken Herman at 1st Unitarian in Hillcrest ... = if I'm not mistaken, that's an Abbott and Sieker (or at least an A & S = rebuild of the original Aeolian out of the old church).   There used to be an A & S in St. David's in Clairmont, but it burned with = the church.   What's on it? Do you want to sell it? What condition is it in?   Cheers,   Bud   Jon Roussos wrote:   > I have just acquired a six rank Abbott and Seeker pipe organ. This > instrument was just removed from Good Samaritan Episcopal in San Diego. = The > organ was replaced by an appliance, which was a done deal before it came > available to me. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this > instrument. The console has an Abbott and Seeker name plate but no Opus > number. > > Any help tracing the lineage of this instrument will be appreciated > Thanks > Jon Roussos >    
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ From: <TheOrganst@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:53:25 EST   Why not give Mr. Larry Abbott a call yourself and find out. His number is 310-454-6037.   Kyle B. Irwin  
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ From: "Ben Baldus" <bbaldus@voyager.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:10:15 -0500   Not too many years ago Abbott & Sieker did a major rebuild and enlargement = of the Reuter-Moller-Who-Knows-What-Else organ at Westminster Presbyterian = Church, Pasadena, CA. Their work created a handsome instrument behind apse = casework, plus church's leaders agreed to removal of carpeting, revealing a mosaic tile = floor. The result was stunning acoustics in this handsome French cruciform gothic = church with brilliant Belgian stained glass and three rose windows. The place is = at 1757 N. Lake Avenue, Pasadena. You can't miss it.   For those of you who might be sci-fi enthusiasts, this is the church whose = tower was sliced off by the Martians in the original version of "War of the = Worlds." The congregation still receives royalties from the proceeds of this classic = film.   bud wrote:   > Abbott and Sieker (sic, I think) were in LA ... I have no idea if = they're still > in business ... you might ask Ken Herman at 1st Unitarian in Hillcrest = ... if > I'm not mistaken, that's an Abbott and Sieker (or at least an A & S = rebuild of > the original Aeolian out of the old church). > > There used to be an A & S in St. David's in Clairmont, but it burned = with the > church. > > What's on it? Do you want to sell it? What condition is it in? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Jon Roussos wrote: > > > I have just acquired a six rank Abbott and Seeker pipe organ. This > > instrument was just removed from Good Samaritan Episcopal in San = Diego. The > > organ was replaced by an appliance, which was a done deal before it = came > > available to me. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this > > instrument. The console has an Abbott and Seeker name plate but no = Opus > > number. > > > > Any help tracing the lineage of this instrument will be appreciated > > Thanks > > Jon Roussos > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: The Diapason - Looking Back From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:54:05 -0600   Bob Loesch wrote:   > At 06:06 PM 11/29/1999 EST, you wrote: > >The 90th Anniversary edition of the Diapason arrived today. In the = "Looking > >back" column on Page 14, 75 years ago the magazine reported that "the > Aeolian > >Organ Company won the contract for a six-manual organ for the Kindt > >Concertorium Theatre in Davenport Iowa." > > > >Was this instrument ever built? > > Unfortunately, no. Dave Junchen has a photo of the model console in Vol = 1 > of his "Encyclopedia..."   Having gone to College, and lived for a while in the Quad Cities, I am = pretty sure the hall was never built, either.    
(back) Subject: Re: The Diapason - Looking Back From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:58:38 -0500   I often wish I was around back when The Diapason had regular theatre organ stuff in it. Many builder-friends often tell me all the good things I missed. Wasn't there even an article in The Diapason about Dan Bartons' beast in = the Chicago Stadium? This would be back around '29-'30. I wasn't even a hope or a glimmer then -let alone a pain in the neck !   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Seeker unit organ From: "harvey smoller" <HARV8@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:02:08 -0800   Contact me privately and I will give you "Pete" Sieker's phone number. Harvey -----Original Message----- From: Jon Roussos <Jon.Roussos@trw.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:47 PM Subject: Abbott and Seeker unit organ     >I have just acquired a six rank Abbott and Seeker pipe organ. This >instrument was just removed from Good Samaritan Episcopal in San Diego. The >organ was replaced by an appliance, which was a done deal before it came >available to me. > >Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this >instrument. The console has an Abbott and Seeker name plate but no Opus >number. > >Any help tracing the lineage of this instrument will be appreciated >Thanks >Jon Roussos > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >        
(back) Subject: Re: The Diapason - Looking Back From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:05:25   At 11:58 PM 11/29/1999 -0500, you wrote:   >Wasn't there even an article in The Diapason about Dan Bartons' beast in = the >Chicago Stadium?<snip>   "Beast" it was, indeed! And when combined with "Ol' Nine Fingers", Al Melgaard, it was TRULY a beast! Its "meltdown" is a sad loss of a curiousity...certainly not a good organ!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 02:08:24   At 06:47 PM 11/29/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Abbott and Sieker (sic, I think) were in LA<snip>   Bud is right with the spelling.   >If I'm not mistaken, that's an Abbott and Sieker (or at least an A & S rebuild of >the original Aeolian out of the old church).<snip>   A&S also did maintenance and additions to a 1957 58 rank =C6olian-Skinner at First UMC in Riverside, and a new install down the street at Trinity Lutheran...horribly dead cinder block room, organ tended to be a little too "baroquey"...as was their penchant in those times (1960s-70s). A&S specialized in "northern german" voiced instruments, although the larger ones with EP action. For a glimpse of one of thier smaller works, see:   http://www-cs-staff.stanford.edu/%7Eknuth/organ.html   DeserTBoB       I remember their craftsmanship was excellent and they were quite nice to do business with. Someone, either here or on pip-ARGUE-l, was saying that one of them (surviving partner, perhaps?) wants to get out of the bizz and retire.  
(back) Subject: Re: Abbott and Sieker unit organ From: <MWORGLBAU@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 04:35:10 EST   Dear Jon and list,   "I have just acquired a six rank Abbott and Seeker pipe organ."   Actually it's (Larry) Abbott & (Uwe "Pete") Sieker.   "This instrument was just removed from Good Samaritan Episcopal in = San Diego. Does anyone have any suggestions as to finding out the history of this instrument."   The organ was originally built for Ms. Florence Hankins of Los = Angeles, as their opus 20 in 1966. It is listed as a 7 rank unit organ. It was purchased by Good Samaritan and moved by Abbott and Sieker in 1984 as = their opus 20a. The information was obtained from a copy of opus list which I possess.   Larry retired several years ago, and Pete continued up until this = past spring. Larry got bored with retirement, and is doing a little service = work around town. I had worked for Pete and Larry about 25 years ago, and when Pete decided to retire, I purchased what was left of his small tools and materials. These are 2 really nice guys, and I'm glad to have had the = chance to learn from them.     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.