PipeChat Digest #1103 - Saturday, October 2, 1999
 
Re: Musically named cars
  by "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk>
Re: Musically named cars
  by "Jorge J. Gomez" <uc8646@estud.unican.es>
Re: WTD: Pipe Organ poster
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Piano Advice Requested
  by "Don Schramm" <dschramm@erols.com>
Re: Musically named cars
  by "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net>
Re: Piano Advice Requested
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Re: Musically named cars
  by "R A Campbell" <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU>
Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray)
  by "Spencer Gray King, Jr." <gking1@bellsouth.net>
Sunday Organ Recital
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray)
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: Piano Advice Requested
  by "William Morton" <wjm@pacbell.net>
Re: Piano Advice Requested
  by "Greg Corbett" <corbettg@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Piano Advice Requested
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Piano Advice Requested (quite long and boring)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
lyrics search
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: lyrics search
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Musically named cars From: "Mark Harris" <M.Harris@Admin.lon.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:13:43 GMT   How about the late, unlamented Austin Allegro? Or the Morris Minor?   Then there's the Rover 75 (or should that be 7-5); they must have = overruled the designer who wanted to call it the 64 (or 6-4).   Oh, and I almost forgot to mention the Skoda Octavia.   Enough, already!   Mark =3D=3D=3D=3D "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"  
(back) Subject: Re: Musically named cars From: "Jorge J. Gomez" <uc8646@estud.unican.es> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 13:12:24 +0200   Some examples:   Honda Accord, Prelude Hyunday Accent, Sonata Citroen Saxo Talbot Samba Seat/Fiat Ritmo     And: Ford Fiesta ... is musically related?     Jorge Gomez    
(back) Subject: Re: WTD: Pipe Organ poster From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:56:32 -0400   J.M. Fuzeau (the French publisher of several nice facsimile series) has a set of posters of European organs available. The list:   France- Albi, Uzes, Strasbourg (2), St. Bertrand de Comminges, Rodez, = Notre Dame des Victoires, Saint-Denis, Aix-en-Provence, Saint-Maximin, = Ebersmunter   Italy- Sienna, Modena, Albi   Germany- Weingarten, Kiedrich, Naumburg   Spain- Covarrubias, Granada   England- York   Netherlands- Breda   Austria- Willering   They are different sizes, ranging from 30x60 to 45x60 cm.   Prices are about 25 French francs for paper to about 55 FF for plastic laminates.   They also have some composers, and some nice-looking posters of various instruments and instrumental groups, the kind of things that hang in = school music rooms.   I haven't seen them myself, but Fuzeau does do good printing.   They have a website at www.ed-fuzeau.fr.   Paul Opel   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Piano Advice Requested From: Don Schramm <dschramm@erols.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 08:22:48 -0400   Six months ago, I became the Minister of Music at an Episcopal Church in southern Maryland. Our interim minister   is interested in examining the possibility of purchasing a concert grand piano to be used for concerts for the greater community in addition to the church. He has asked me to get   prices on various concert grands. My resources are somewhat   limited in purchasing options not to mention monetary considerations. The local music store has access to Young Chang, Yamaha and Kawai. I know nothing about the Young Chang. I do own a Kawai (baby grand) and the local community college has a concert grand also by Kawai. I have   played on several Yamahas and been pleased. The ideal would   be a Steinway but that is beyond any consideration.   For you that have pianos in your respective churches, do you   have any insight? And for you that perform regularly on concert grands, do you have a preference and why?   Please respond privately and I would be most grateful for your insight before I write the proposal for the Vestry.   Thank you   Lyn Schramm, Minister of Music St. Andrew's Episcopal Church California, MD        
(back) Subject: Re: Musically named cars From: "Edward Marsh" <edmarsh@lineone.net> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:15:44 +0100   For the percussionists ....   Rolls Royce!   Edward -----Original Message----- From: Jorge J. Gomez <uc8646@estud.unican.es> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 01 October 1999 12:18 Subject: Re: Musically named cars     >Some examples: > >Honda Accord, Prelude >Hyunday Accent, Sonata >Citroen Saxo >Talbot Samba >Seat/Fiat Ritmo > > >And: Ford Fiesta ... is musically related? > > >Jorge Gomez > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested From: TheOrganst@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:37:33 EDT   I understand your situation in selecting a concert grand piano. I've gone through this many times. Don't be afraid to look into used or very old pianos. They are usually the best. I've had several Baldwin's, Knabe's, a Hardman, Yamaha's, and Steinways. I've actually preferred the Baldwin's = and Knob when a Steinway wasn't available. It might take you awhile and you = might have to do a country wide search, but it will be well worth the effort. = You must consider this as serious an investment as selecting and buying a pipe =   organ. It will last forever and selection should be precise. Good luck.   Kyle B. Irwin  
(back) Subject: Re: Musically named cars From: R A Campbell <rcampbel@U.Arizona.EDU> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:40:15 -0700 (MST)   I almost bought a Honda 'Prelude'...but thought it too small.     ~rac   On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Jason D. Comet wrote:   > I've just seen the commercial for the new Nissan Sonata. > > Sonata, say, now! > > How many cars can you think of that have musical names. > > I can think of three. > > Ford Tempo > Nissan Stanza > Nissan Sonata > > Any organ-related terms? > > > Jason Comet > bombarde8@juno.com > |\ Organist/Choir Director > | | 2/22 M.P. Moller pipe organ > O ~20 member choir > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^= *^*^ R. A. Campbell, KUAT Communications-Modern Languages Building P.O.Box = 210067 University of Arizona, Tucson AZ 85721    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray) From: "Spencer Gray King, Jr." <gking1@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 11:52:35 -0400   I have the opportunity to purchase a parlor grand piano from a coworker. = I can't for the life of me remember the name but it is about 80 years old. I have = played the thing and it has good action. No sticking keys. All the ivorys have = been replaced. The strings are all new and so is the hammers. It was = reconditioned about 10 years ago. The piano was tuned when he purchased it 10 years ago = by my coworker. It hasn't been tuned since. It has about three notes that are = really out of tune but the rest isn't that bad for a piano that hasn't been tuned = in 10 years. He paid 2500 for it but is asking 1000 and is willing to finance = the thing at 100 per month. Of course, the local stores have trashed it = before they heard it and are oblivious to the fact that I need a piano. I am = desparate for a practice instrument since the church is 20+ miles away from my home. It = is a Steinway copy and the name is some like Steinway - maybe Stieff or = something like that. Does the name ring a bell with anyone and what do ya think. The = front cover is very tall and that depth is greater than normal from the top of = the piano down to the keys. The ones I've seen like this are usually heavier = and sound better. It does sound pretty good.   Awaiting your advice(s).... Christ's love, Gray King Winston-Salem, NC     TheOrganst@aol.com wrote:   > I understand your situation in selecting a concert grand piano. I've = gone > through this many times. Don't be afraid to look into used or very old > pianos. They are usually the best.    
(back) Subject: Sunday Organ Recital From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:37:51 -0400   For anyone in the central Mass. area:   Sunday October 3 at 2pm Organ Recital - Frederick Teardo AGO 1999 Region I Winner, Young Artist Competition Assumption College, Chapel of the Holy Spirit. Salisbury St. Worcester MA   Can e-mail me for directions Judy Ollikkala: 71431.2534@compuserve.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray) From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:42:15 -0600   >I have the opportunity to purchase a parlor grand piano from a coworker. >I can't >for the life of me remember the name but it is about 80 years old. I = have >played >the thing and it has good action. No sticking keys. All the ivorys have = been >replaced. The strings are all new and so is the hammers. It was >reconditioned >about 10 years ago. Tough to tell from just this information. Your best bet is to have a formal appraisal by a qualified technician. There are so many more variables to purchasing a used piano that aren't discernable to the untrained eye (e.g. wrestplanks, soundboards, etc...) Since you're making an important musical and financial investment, go the extra mile and pay a qualified tech to have this thing evaluated.   Wolff-crazed in Reuterland, Rob       The piano was tuned when he purchased it 10 years ago by my >coworker. It hasn't been tuned since. It has about three notes that are >really >out of tune but the rest isn't that bad for a piano that hasn't been = tuned >in 10 >years. He paid 2500 for it but is asking 1000 and is willing to finance = the >thing at 100 per month. Of course, the local stores have trashed it >before they >heard it and are oblivious to the fact that I need a piano. I am >desparate for a >practice instrument since the church is 20+ miles away from my home. It = is a >Steinway copy and the name is some like Steinway - maybe Stieff or >something like >that. Does the name ring a bell with anyone and what do ya think. The = front >cover is very tall and that depth is greater than normal from the top of = the >piano down to the keys. The ones I've seen like this are usually heavier = and >sound better. It does sound pretty good. > >Awaiting your advice(s).... >Christ's love, >Gray King >Winston-Salem, NC > > >TheOrganst@aol.com wrote: > >> I understand your situation in selecting a concert grand piano. I've = gone >> through this many times. Don't be afraid to look into used or very old >> pianos. They are usually the best. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested From: William Morton <wjm@pacbell.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:06:06 -0700   At 10:37 AM 10/1/99 -0400, you wrote:       Also, find and solicit the assistance of a good experienced piano technician/tuner. Sources for this would be a local college which has pianos regularly tuned, or local church(es) which have similar. Last choice would be the local piano store as this individual might be = influenced.   There's also an excellent piano site on one of the newsgroups but I forget =   the exact address; maybe someone else can help..   < W J Morton wjm@pacbell.net > No trees were harmed by the production of this message; however, a rather large number of electrons were somewhat inconvenienced.  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested From: Greg Corbett <corbettg@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 19:54:02 -0700   Hi Don,   I have been looking at grand pianos for some time, with a view to purchase, for myself. My suggestion to you would be:   1) Determine how much you would be allowed to spend (maximum). This now determines what you may look at, from a cost perspective.   2) Find the best piano tuner available and seek his assistance (ask him straight out if he is affiliated with any sales, some are, and may be influenced). I have read books on piano rebuilding, tuning, and buying, save yourself the time, because this information can't be learned from a book, you can talk the talk, but can't do the walk.   3) Whatever the make, you should look at 6' and over. IMHO, below this length, is no better than an upright, in sound. The key action of a horizontal grand "should" exceed that of any upright, but I want both sound & action. The larger the grand piano, the more richer the sound and somewhat louder. Now is there space to accommodate permanently, because moving around any piano is hard on it and the tuning?   4) Old or new, there are bad ones to avoid and gems (rough or in-prime), use the piano tuner!   5) Do note that with a grand piano, the lid is hinged on the player's left (there are one or two exceptions, but not recommended), making piano placement critical (to achieve the best effect), will this work with your application?   Lastly, an instrument will only play to the level of the performer, there is no magic that occurs, to change a passable player to concert pianist!    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:23:35 -0500   What a good response, Greg!   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Corbett <corbettg@theatreorgans.com> > > I have been looking at grand pianos for some time, with a view to > purchase, for myself. My suggestion to you would be: > > 1) Determine how much you would be allowed to spend (maximum). This now > determines what you may look at, from a cost perspective.   etc., etc.      
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested (quite long and boring) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:21:37 -0500   In answer to Don Schramm's question regarding recommendations of a piano, = in the last year our church has sought a piano to complement the music = program at a tiny historic (which down here means 100+ years old) church. I = (parish organist of the tiny 5-rank but lovely little instrument) assisted the treasurer, himself a former organist, in examining and pricing new pianos = in the Florida panhandle. We, too, would have liked a nice Steinway, but = were unable to afford even a used one, the price of which for a 5'8" one = exceeded the price of the new one we purchased by about $5,000. We wanted to = enhance worship and our tiny classical music series, as well as give the church an alternative for substitute church musicians in my absence (organists are hard to find here - not many Sundays off). Our church is small, seating only about 80 persons, and the space for the piano, as well as room acoustics, would fit no more than about a 5'8", give or take. The = acoustics are nice and lively, making the choice even more critical.   We looked at the following (all figures are circa 10/98):   Yamaha - G (kind of a home piano) series and C (concert)* series: C-1 (about 5'3") - ran about $10,000;** C-2 (5'8") - ran about $13,000-$14,000.**   *C series has a feature, developed and originally patented by Steinway, called something like "double-fretting", which allegedly provides and maintains a better tone and tuning. **These were quotes from dealers - the list price of the C-1, if I = remember correctly, was between $13,000-$15,000; the C-2 about $19,000-$22,000. Because we were purchasing for a church, the dealers gave us a "deal".   Kawai - ran about $18,000-$25,000 (big range, huh?) for model about 5'8"; Madison (a cheaper brand made by Kawai) - about $10,000 - $15,000(length = was a little shorter; I did not like the touch or sound dynamics at all); Young Chang - cannot remember exactly and cannot find my notes, but price was roughly in the $15,000 range, and it sounded pretty yucky to me. There were one or two other brands, which apparently did not impress me, because I cannot remember them.   We were most favorably impressed with the Yamaha as to delivery of tone, balance, volume, and touch.   I also called a fellow AGO member who is a Baldwin dealer, and the = following ranges of prices were given (Baldwin now owns the Wurlitzer and Chickering names) (all prices run for about the same length around 5'8"): Wurlitzer ("economy" brand)- roughly $10,000 - $12,000; Chickering (medium grade) - roughly $16,000; Baldwin (highest grade) - roughly $18,000 - $20,000.   I did not go and play the Baldwin line; I have a childhood prejudice = against them - nothing serious, but time also prevented my doing so (the store was 75 miles from home).   I'm not one to do testimonials, but we have had our new Yamaha for roughly one month, and have been very pleased. It was used for accompaniment in = the first recital of the series very successfully, per the audience.   Back in 1980, I was on a search committee at a Baptist church for a new grand. We played a Yamaha and Steinway side by side - same size, same color, same grade. I preferred the Yamaha, and it was about $3,000 less.   Hope this helps.   Glenda Sutton (who also prefers a Honda motorcycle to a Yamaha or Harley, but Honda doesn't make pianos or organs)         ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Schramm <dschramm@erols.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 7:22 AM Subject: Piano Advice Requested     > Six months ago, I became the Minister of Music at an > Episcopal Church in southern Maryland. Our interim minister > > is interested in examining the possibility of purchasing a > concert grand piano to be used for concerts for the greater > community in addition to the church. He has asked me to get > > prices on various concert grands. My resources are somewhat > > limited in purchasing options not to mention monetary > considerations. The local music store has access to Young > Chang, Yamaha and Kawai. I know nothing about the Young > Chang. I do own a Kawai (baby grand) and the local > community college has a concert grand also by Kawai. I have > > played on several Yamahas and been pleased. The ideal would > > be a Steinway but that is beyond any consideration. > > For you that have pianos in your respective churches, do you > > have any insight? And for you that perform regularly on > concert grands, do you have a preference and why? > > Please respond privately and I would be most grateful for > your insight before I write the proposal for the Vestry. > > Thank you > > Lyn Schramm, > Minister of Music > St. Andrew's Episcopal Church > California, MD > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: lyrics search From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 03:27:56 EDT   Greetings,   once again I call on your collective knowledge. I'm looking =   for the original lyrics for "Greensleeves". Anyone able to help me this time? Thanks in advance.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: lyrics search From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 03:11:18 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > Greetings, > > once again I call on your collective knowledge. I'm = looking > for the original lyrics for "Greensleeves". Anyone able to help me this > time? Thanks in advance.   This was recently (past few months) the topic of a lengthy thread on the newsgroup"rec.music.early". You might check the archive via "deja.news". = If I remember correctly, this is one of those recurring threads.