PipeChat Digest #1107 - Wednesday, October 6, 1999
 
RE: Frey and Mahler at Grace
  by "Jack Williams" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Piano Advice Requested
  by "tgregory@speeddial.net" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Pirofono
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Pirofono
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: Pirofono
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Len Rawle Plays Rochester on Oct. 16th (cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
I'm drawing a blank......
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: I'm drawing a blank......
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Alexander Frey's Mahler at Grace Cathedral
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: I'm drawing a blank......
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray)
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: Pirofono
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: I'm drawing a blank......
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray)
  by <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
Alexander Frey plays Mahler at Grace Cathedral
  by "Jack Williams" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
addendum to "drawing a blank"
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
PIPORG-L Archives
  by "Jack Williams" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Virgil Fox CD (cross-posted)
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: PIPORG-L Archives
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: addendum to "drawing a blank"
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Fire Organ [was PYROPHONE]
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
 


(back) Subject: RE: Frey and Mahler at Grace From: Jack Williams <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Peter, Can you please send me a copy of that review. I am curious to see what other people thought of the concert. Thanks, Jack   --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > Jack: > > Robert Melhuish of Berkeley gave orgue-l members a > review that was over the > top, especially for Robert who is not one to sling > the praise. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Williams > [mailto:jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 5:15 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Frey and Mahler at Grace > > > I wanted to also say that I have never heard the > organ > used so well, so intricatly, so orchestrally, as > Alexander Frey did the other night when he played > the > transcription of the Mahler 5th Symphony at Grace > Cathedral, San Francisco. The work was about 57-80 > minutes long, but Maestro Frey performed it with > such > passion and emotion that nobody noticed the time. > The > audience gave him a big standing ovation and bravos. > > Was anyone else on the list there. It was truly a > historical event. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested From: "tgregory@speeddial.net" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 99 06:11:50 -0500   Greetings:   May I add a few words of advice regarding the purchase of a piano.   (1) Take your time. Something will become available in your price range.   (2) Look for a restored Mason & Hamlin, Knabe, Chickering, Steinway or other quality piano from the early 1900's. But, don't let the name on the fallboard affect your decision. There were many smaller companies that produced outstanding pianos   (3) Some piano salespersons come from the same mold as some used car salespersons. Shop around....(I did not say "all" piano sales persons....just "some")   (4) Contact a qualified and reputable piano technician. Ask, and offer to pay for this individuals help and advice.   (5) Have a basic idea of what you are searching for regarding tone, touch, etc.   Good luck in your search.   Tom Gregory Waukesha WI USA  
(back) Subject: Re: Pirofono From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 06:33:35 -0500   Jorge J. Gomez wrote: > > Hello: > > I have read about (in Spanish) "pirofono": it is a kind of organ whoose > sound is produced with flames inside pipes. Anybody knows if there is = any > instrument like this working today? How is it called in English? >   It's called a pyrophone in English (well, when it comes down to it both pirofono and pyrophone both come from Greek, *pyros* "fire" and *phone* "voice"). I would love to hear one, but have only ever seen Victorian engravings of them. As far as I know there aren't any extant examples.   John Speller, St. Louis, Mo.  
(back) Subject: Re: Pirofono From: Ron Natalie <ron@sensor.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:57:30 -0500       "John L. Speller" wrote: > > It's called a pyrophone in English (well, when it comes down to it both > pirofono and pyrophone both come from Greek, *pyros* "fire" and *phone* > "voice"). I would love to hear one, but have only ever seen Victorian > engravings of them. As far as I know there aren't any extant examples.   Never heard of that. I do have kicking around somewhere an article on making "flame speakers." While it works, the fidelity is somewhat = lacking.  
(back) Subject: Re: Pirofono From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:22:45 -0700   I've heard of it, but only just ... sounds like a tuned blowtorch to me = (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Ron Natalie wrote:   > "John L. Speller" wrote: > > > > It's called a pyrophone in English (well, when it comes down to it = both > > pirofono and pyrophone both come from Greek, *pyros* "fire" and = *phone* > > "voice"). I would love to hear one, but have only ever seen Victorian > > engravings of them. As far as I know there aren't any extant = examples. > > Never heard of that. I do have kicking around somewhere an article on > making "flame speakers." While it works, the fidelity is somewhat = lacking. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Len Rawle Plays Rochester on Oct. 16th (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:53:17 -0400   The Rochester Theater Organ Society, Inc. is proud to present Len Rawle, England's "Rembrandt of the Organ," at the console of our 4/22 Wurlitzer = on Saturday, October 16th at 8 p.m. This event will take place at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. Tickets at = $10 each will go on sale at the Box Office 1 hour before the concert.   Len Rawle has played at the Rochester Wurlitzer 6 times previously and has been a favorite with Rochester audiences since his first presentation here in 1974. His "Rembrandt" title comes from his skillful use of theater = pipe organs' many tonal colors to paint his wonderful musical arrangements. = Len was featured at the recent 1999 ATOS Annual Convention in England.   Len Rawle will conduct a master class at the 4/22 on Sunday afternoon, October 17th at 1 p.m. Admission to the class is only $5 per person. = This will conclude a wonderful weekend Wurlitzer experience.   More information, driving directions and Len's biography can be found at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ . Join the crowd and experience a first-class theater pipe organ happening!   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS Director    
(back) Subject: I'm drawing a blank...... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:28:05 EDT   Greetings,   I have a piece of music that has "accel. molto sin al fine" written near the end. I'm 99,99% sure it means to gradually = accelerate from that point until the end. Am I right? I'm drawing a blank and I don't =   know why. I teach music in an elementary school 5 days a week and those = kids wear me out....*smile*.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: I'm drawing a blank...... From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 12:44:41 -0700   According to my musical terms dictionary, "molto" means very much ... so, "growing very much faster to the end" seems to be what it being requested. So, I would guess how fast the acceleration would depend on how many measures are left at that point.   Jason   > I have a piece of music that has "accel. molto sin al > fine" written near the end. I'm 99,99% sure it means to gradually = accelerate > from that point until the end. Am I right? I'm drawing a blank and I = don't > know why. I teach music in an elementary school 5 days a week and those = kids > wear me out....*smile*. >  
(back) Subject: Re: Alexander Frey's Mahler at Grace Cathedral From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:57:11 +0100   >Was any of the list fortunate to be present to hear >Alexander Frey perform the organ transcription of >Mahler's 5th symphony on Septe. 19? It was one of the >most wonderful recitals I've ever heard. I've heard >all of the transcription players, and I really think >he is the best one on the scene.     Did he transcribe it himself? I thought that David Briggs (for all of you who don't know he is the organist of Gloucester Cathedral, and the most amazing improviser you have ever seen!!!) plays the best transcription. He has won all sorts of awards for his transcription over here?   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: I'm drawing a blank...... From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:00:10 +0100   >Greetings, > > I have a piece of music that has "accel. molto sin al >fine" written near the end. I'm 99,99% sure it means to gradually accelerate >from that point until the end. Am I right? I'm drawing a blank and I = don't >know why. I teach music in an elementary school 5 days a week and those kids >wear me out....*smile*. > >Carlo Dear Carlo,   I just looked in my theory book and it says that "sin" means "until" so "accel. molto sin al fine" should definitely meant big accel until the = end.   Hope this helps,   Richard.    
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray) From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:07:27 +0100     >They were much better then the spinets of the 50"s and still >better than the "consoles" of the 60's. TAken care of, they were a fine >instrument.   Just out of interest, what did the "console" model look like - you can = call me stupid if you like (this isn't a cue for the entire list to send a message saying "You're stupid" :-}) but does it look like a console?!   Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Pirofono From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT)   Are Pyrophones the automotive equivalent of "glass packs"? LOL --Neil   Better caught than taught. . .better taught than not.    
(back) Subject: Re: I'm drawing a blank...... From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:18:37 -0700   >>Greetings, >> >> I have a piece of music that has "accel. molto sin al >>fine" written near the end. I'm 99,99% sure it means to gradually >accelerate >>from that point until the end. Am I right? I'm drawing a blank and I = don't >>know why. I teach music in an elementary school 5 days a week and those >kids >>wear me out....*smile*. >> >>Carlo   Caro Carlo, Isn't this musical Italian for Romans 6: 1-- that is, the question of whether we should sin a lot (molto sin) that grace may abound? Accelerate our molto sinning right up until the end.... Sounds like the sort of definition that should go into _Beethoven Lost_, the little book of musical humour my wife wrote.   Ciao,     Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian, Cincinnati      
(back) Subject: Re: Piano Advice Requested (Request From Gray) From: CHERCAPA@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:52:16 EDT   Dear Richard, The spinets of old (maybe new) used to be normally 12 to = 16" maximum height from keyboard level. Consoles ran about 18" to 20" above keyboard level.Yamaha still makes what I think is called the "the Studio Console, lid lifts on right with wooden support". The old uprights ran = around 24" to 30" above keyboard level. Of course, the larger the soundboard, the =   better the sound and also the less need for tuning. The spinet was the = worst for tuning as it had the least area of soundboard and stiffest. Just as = with electronic speakers, the larger the area vibrated,the greater amount of = air moved, the greater the sound. Pure physics, my dear Watson. LOL Take = Care, Paul  
(back) Subject: Alexander Frey plays Mahler at Grace Cathedral From: Jack Williams <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:15:50 -0700 (PDT)   Actually, Mr. Frey was the first person to have the Mahler transcribed (1992). It seems that a couple of other organists copied the idea or later also thought that it would make a good organ work. Anyway, many of the large crowd attending felt that this was THE organ recital of your times (so went the conversation among us all after the concert). We had the feeling that we were attending an event that will go in the history of organ performance. Apparently, this transcription includes EVERYTHING from the original orchestral version and was the most incredible thing to hear and see. I am enclosing the following review. WAS ANYONE ELSE ON THE LIST THERE? WHAT DID YOU THINK? I hope that we get to hear Frey play this again somewhere soon.   --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> > To: "'jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com'" > <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> > Subject: FW: Fryin Frisco, a tome. > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:41:05 -0500 > > Jack: > > Here you go. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Melhuish > [mailto:melhuish@uclink.berkeley.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 4:54 PM > To: Members of > Subject: Fryin Frisco, a tome. > > > Sunday evening last, 7:30PM, Grace Cathedral, San > Francisco, > Alexander Frey appeared and played the entire organ > transcription > which he had commissioned of the Mahler 5th > Symphony. > > Nave seating only, no spectators other than the > organ curators in > the chancel, at the request of the artist. I was > fortunate to have > front row seats saved for me. I was thrilled, > because I think that > the front of the nave is the optimum location to > hear the organ. I > was provided a direct line of sight to the console, > which was > brought out and turned so it was visible from the > nave. Best seat > in the house, and as it turned out with the > technique employed to > play this piece, it was spellbinding to watch. > > Approximately 150 spectators jammed the cathedral > for the > happening, (well it is an organ recital, not a rap > concert.) One poor > soul sitting two rows behind me must have passed out > under the > pew during the afternoon tourist hours, and barely > regained a bit > of consciousness when the program started. They > mumbled > through he entire program, noisily only during the > big parts, > softly during the quiet parts. Since the entire > transcription takes 80 > minutes, and was done without an intermission, > (unlike the symphony, > Grace Cathedral has no concessioners to complain > about reduced > trading time,) I was not provided with the > opportunity to offer the > noisy spectator the choices of moving, keeping > quiet, or being > muted with a hymnal. > > Anyway, I digress. Aside from the babbles of > moronia, unfortunately > I must say this performance was absolutely > masterful, approaching > near perfection in expertly matching instrument, > literature, space and > the performer so precisely to each ones strengths. > > The Grace Cathedral organ is just stellar, no matter > the problems > the current construction is causing, the organ > sounds spectacular, is > a gem in the building, and maintained by a sheer > wizards, right down > to the felt under the mirrors. Nothing more can be > said except rave > on a bit about its plethora of pure symphonic > voices, strings, flutes > and various and sundry orchestral ensembles. > > The Transcription was very well constructed, > probably to well so. > 80 minutes is absolutely far too long for anything > other than drinking > and unrestrained passion. This brought an element > of tedium into > the mix, but mechanically, the piece was terribly > accurate, and > complete. It simply should be a wee bit shorter. I > apologise, but I > don't remember the transcribers name, I never heard > of him, so the > name didn't etch into RAM very well. If anyone is > interested email > someone else who was there. They won't be rushing > this into > publication, rest assured. > > Then there is the building. Well, regardless of it's > state of deterioration, > > and construction zone status, the 7 to 10 seconds of > reverberation are a > wonder, and also are not what you would say is your > average concert > hall environment. The building contribution here is > material. The > symphonic people love the coffin like lack of any > hint of reverberation, > here that element luxuriously blended the ethereal > sounds.... > a novel concept, and one which I think is a winner. > Many folks agree > with me that the CD of Ian Tracey and the BBC > symphony doing organ > concertos in Liverpool Anglican Cathedral is one of > the best CD's ever > made for either organ or orchestra, I wonder how > much of that is due > to the draconian accounstic present...... > > Finally the performer. I am a huge proponent of > Alexander Frey's > philosophy and practice. His concepts on organ > playing and > observing the orchestral sounds with the technique > is simply translated > as playing with real musicality, and being a > conductor, who better than > he to understand and develop this concept. His > technique is prodigious, > entirely appropriate for the literature used. His > concepts of performance > were magnificent. I would say that 60% of the > program was played with > the boxes closed to mostly closed, the sounds > emanating at the level > somewhat above that of a whisper. Full organ and > huge crescendos > were sparingly used. The effect was phenomenal, as > one of the cathedral > ushers observed to me, it was the quietest he's > heard an audience in > Grace Cathedral, ever. By keeping the level down, > Frey forced > concentration on the work and the attention of the > audience, and for > those lacking the benefit of a narration in tongues, > this also helped the > near hour and a half pass very quickly. Playing this > 80 minute piece > cover to cover without getting off the bench for a > pit stop, a flask > slurp, or a cigarette was also impressive. Random > facts: about 1/3 > of the piece had a double pedal line executed > incredibly well. I need > to ask Mr. Stout if they have a pedal divide on that > new Bethstein & > Schoenhard console action, it almost appeared that > way. Also Frey > invented a few registrations that I have never heard > anything close to > emanating from that organ, quite masterful > considering the extreme > skills of the two exceptional canon resident > organists. > > So, I can only report that this was a terribly well > done program and > worthy of the effort to attend. Happily, I can muse > that this piece is > so difficult it will never even be attempted by > local hacks on Allens > in dead buildings, so the fond memory will not be > subject to tarnish > anywhere in the near future. I rarely give anything > good reviews, it's > not in my nature, but had to be done. Sorry to > dissapoint. > > >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: addendum to "drawing a blank" From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:12:15 EDT   Hello again,   I just looked at the score again, and it's "acc" and not "accel", thus making it "acc molto sin al fine". Based on the feedback so far, I'll take it as meaning a gradual acceleration from that point until the end. BTW, the composition in question is the finale from "Concerto Gregoriano" by Pietro Yon. The quote is from the last page.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: PIPORG-L Archives From: Jack Williams <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT)   Does anyone know the website address for the piporg-l archives?     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Virgil Fox CD (cross-posted) From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:40:13 -0400   For all you Virgil Fox Fans:   I was brousing around in a local CD store and found a CD titled ``Virgil Fox - Heavy Organ at Carnegie Hall''. This is a re-issue of the = ``Legendary 1973 Concert'' on December 20th, along with several unreleased tracks and = is played on the Rogers Touring Organ.   The CD is on RCA/BMG and the number is 09026-68816-2.   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth Derby Producer & Host ``Orgelwerke'' & ``Choral Traditions'' WCNY-FM, 91.3; Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown Organist, First Church of Christ, Scientist, Syracuse orge@dreamscape.com    
(back) Subject: Re: PIPORG-L Archives From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 19:41:37 -0400       Jack Williams wrote: > > Does anyone know the website address for the piporg-l > archives? >   http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=3Dpiporg-l is the link to the search engine. The performance of the server at the University is problematic. However the wealth of information contained in the archives is worth the effort.   Stan Lowkis  
(back) Subject: Re: addendum to "drawing a blank" From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:24:30 -0700   molto still means "very, much" so it may not be all that gradual.   ---------- >From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: addendum to "drawing a blank" >Date: Tue, Oct 5, 1999, 4:12 PM >   > Hello again, > > I just looked at the score again, and it's "acc" and = not > "accel", thus making it "acc molto sin al fine". Based on the feedback = so > far, I'll take it as meaning a gradual acceleration from that point = until > the end. BTW, the composition in question is the finale from "Concerto > Gregoriano" by Pietro Yon. The quote is from the last page. > > Carlo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Fire Organ [was PYROPHONE] From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 22:18:17 -0400   http://www.windworld.com/emi/pyrophone.htm is a link to an interesting site that describes this instrument.   http://www.exploratorium.edu/AIDS/trimpin.state.html is a link to a device that is in a museum in the US.   Please...   No flames :) :)   Stan Lowkis