PipeChat Digest #1116 - Friday, October 15, 1999
 
Re: Organ repair/fundraising
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
Expensive drafts ...
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Expensive drafts ... revised
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Need information, por favor
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Need information, por favor
  by "Sue Smith" <suesmith@imagine.com>
Re: Expensive drafts ... revised
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Purple leather
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Purple leather
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Organ repair/fundraising
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Need information, por favor
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Organ repair/fundraising
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Organ repair/fundraising From: SProt82850@cs.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:47:19 EDT   I agree with Bud regarding the addition of electronics. Let the = electronics do what they do best: basses (and as Fred Swann once said, a 32' stop is a =   very expensive draft!!) and the slosherie. Years ago, I heard a Rodgers = II Flute Celeste and it was nearly as good as any Ernest Skinner Flute = Celeste I've heard and better than many pipe versions. Walker builds some very = good electronic sounds. They make a 16' Violone that is dangerously good, = right down to the warm purr of the harmonics and some of their electronic reeds = are quite convincing.   I also agree that the pipe choruses should stand alone without electronic doubling, both for the sake of tuning and the integrity of the organ. Additionally, well voiced and colorful pipe ranks will also serve the function of adding body and color to the electronic sounds. Take an electronic 8' Krummhorn and add a 4' pipe flute and the electronic stop = comes to life!! As for attaching a Rodgers (or any other electronic console for that = matter), I would take a long look at the consoles the electronic industry builds = and compare their quality against supply house or pipe builder consoles. I personally find electronic consoles lacking the solidity and quality of = their pipe counterparts and since the console is to an organist what a stove is = to a cook, I would consider my options carefully!! If the existing console shell is in relatively good shape, it is often practical to gut it and = outfit it with new keyboards, etc.   And finally, I find it highly amusing that electronic organs are getting = so sophisticated as to create the illusion of "random detuning" and "flexible =   wind". In the words of my dear friend Allan van Zoeren on being told that = an electronic organ had the sound of flexible wind, he remarked: "Dearheart, flexible wind in an electronic organ is like finding bird droppings in a cuckoo clock!"   Steven Pipe Organ Architect & Consultant  
(back) Subject: Expensive drafts ... From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:21:14 +0800 (CST)       On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 SProt82850@cs.com wrote:     William Harrison Barnes in his book, The Contemporary American Organ, related a story whereby one person asked another person what he thought of a certain 32' stop.... the answer of the other person as related in Barnes' book was "A very expensive draft...."     Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher        
(back) Subject: Expensive drafts ... revised From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:27:28 +0800 (CST)   Dear List,     In my first post on "Expensive drafts" I forgot to delete a line.     My post should have read as follows:     William Harrison Barnes in his book, The Contemporary American Organ, related a story whereby one person asked another person what he thought of a certain 32' stop.... the answer of the other person as related in Barnes' book was "A very expensive draft...."     Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher          
(back) Subject: Need information, por favor From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:45:27 -0500   Am busily trying to pound out a program for a members' recital Tuesday, = and need some dates, if any of you have them and can share:   Dale Wood (birth and death years) Gordon Young (birth and death years) Piet Kee (birth and death years) Paul Manz (birth year)   Is Gordon Young's Three Liturgical Preludes still in print? Could anyone provide the publication info?   I also need the publication information for Piet Kee's "All my heart this night rejoices".   Thanks to any and all who can help me - gotta run.   Glenda Sutton          
(back) Subject: Re: Need information, por favor From: "Sue Smith" <suesmith@imagine.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:09:32 -0400   Here is some of the information:   "Wood, Dale (b. 1934)"   "Manz, Paul O. b. 1919"   I would be interested in Gordon Youngs' and Piet Kee's dates > > Dale Wood (birth and death years) > Gordon Young (birth and death years) > Piet Kee (birth and death years) > Paul Manz (birth year) >          
(back) Subject: Re: Expensive drafts ... revised From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:25:15 -0400 (EDT)   The stop in question was 32' Bourdons. I would add that, if memory serves (it may or it may not), the 32' metal Quintaten in the '56 A-S GDH in St Thos NYC would also qualify. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Purple leather From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:08:40 EDT   Does anybody know where to get purple leather? I cannot seem to find it anywhere. I do not know the proper name for it, but the color was purple = and it lasts nearly 100 years, sometimes more. Hutchings used it on his = pouches, so did Cassavant, but not Skinner and Aeolian Skinner. I will be releathering the pedal division chests at my church. The = organ had new chests built in the 60's, and now the leather is completely = rotted. 40 years is not a long time, the purple leather would have lasted at least =   another 40 to 60 years. If it is no longer available, what would be a = good substitute? Any help would be greatly appreciated.   -William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Re: Purple leather From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:32:36 -0700   Arp (and others) will know better than I, but I've HEARD that = naturally-cured sheep OR kangaroo leather from Australia is superior to most of the chemically-cured leather made in the U.S. However, I don't know how you go = about getting it.   Cheers,   Bud   Prestant16@aol.com wrote:   > Does anybody know where to get purple leather? I cannot seem to find it > anywhere. I do not know the proper name for it, but the color was = purple and > it lasts nearly 100 years, sometimes more. Hutchings used it on his = pouches, > so did Cassavant, but not Skinner and Aeolian Skinner. > I will be releathering the pedal division chests at my church. The = organ > had new chests built in the 60's, and now the leather is completely = rotted. > 40 years is not a long time, the purple leather would have lasted at = least > another 40 to 60 years. If it is no longer available, what would be a = good > substitute? > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > -William Catanesye > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ repair/fundraising From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:14:08 EDT   In a message dated Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:27:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bud = <budchris@earthlink.net> writes:   > I understand the new Rodgers (and Allens?) have an automatic fuzzy logic = tuning system that will tune the electronics to the > individual pipe pitches (which, of course, are never totally in tune). = The problem with the older pipe/electronic combos was > that despite a general tuning knob for the electronics, they never = "locked in" to the pipes properly because there was no way to > allow for the random out-of-tuneness of the pipes. > > I would limit myself to things that you don't have room for, like 32's = and celestes, etc. If the pipe organ is complete in > itself as far as principal choruses, flute choruses, etc., then let it = stand and add the "gooshy" electronic stuff around it. I > think either Allen or Rodgers can do that for you. But I see no reason = to double pipe principals with electronic principals, > etc. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > DRAWKNOB@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated Sun, 10 Oct 1999 7:13:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = OrganMD@aol.com writes: > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > The organ may have cost $20,000 when new, but today a new one would = be at > > > least $120,000. Therefore upgrading is most likely worth doing. > > > > > > Bill Hesterman > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks! My thoughts exactly... On top of that I'm seriously = considering interfacing a Rodgers 795 with it... any thoughts? > > John > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Hey Bud,   Thanks for the advice. I'll let you know how thing progress.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Need information, por favor From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:04:12 -0500   Gordon Ellsworth Young -- born October 15, 1919; died October 2, 1998. Information from the Washington University Libraries music necrology website:   http://library.wustl.edu/Units/Music/necro   John Speller  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ repair/fundraising From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT)   Ah yes! Here finally is the main reason for combining pipes with electronics:   "fuzzy logic" !!   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida