PipeChat Digest #1120 - Tuesday, October 19, 1999
 
Re: Another day...another concert
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Organ-related Cars
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Organ-related Cars
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Back From Kentucky
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Organ-related Cars
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Organ-related Cars
  by <Victorgan@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1119 - 10/18/99
  by "richard r stein grumpy" <grumpy@gwis.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1119 - 10/18/99
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Earning a living!!
  by "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com>
Re: Organ-related Cars
  by "Rick \"OrganPlayer\" Locher" <rick.locher@gte.net>
Lack of interest (was Re: Earning a living!!)
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: Lack of interest (was Re: Earning a living!!)
  by "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com>
Lack of Interest
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Stop Origions
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Stop Origions
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
question
  by <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Stop Origions: Ophecleide
  by "Matthew J Collins" <mcoll@panix.com>
Fw: question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Stop origions
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Mr. David Messineo / MSU
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Extreme Homes Broadcast
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Touched By An Angel?
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Extreme Homes Broadcast
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Organ- related cars
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Stop Origions
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Another day...another concert From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:56:37 -0400 (EDT)   six or seven DOZEN people.... whattabummer! poooooooooooooooooor baby. Actually not too bad by local standards.   Last night we had Festival Evensong at Holy Trinity. This was our yearly event for the downtown choirs festival. I will post the programme after I retrieve it from my desk. (I was in a hurry to get to the postEvensong sacramental session at Steak & Ale!!!   Congratulations on being boycotted, although you might want to go easy on the EP jokes -- hehehehehe. Let us know when they start picketing and chanting "don't go in.. tracker is sin" to tone IV! That's when you start pelting them with old sacramental wine corks!!! Sigh! Nothing can beat liturgical scrapping... ;-)   Stay nimble... and do take a turn through the personal hygiene station... peeeeeeeee-ewww! nyuk nyuk (it's nice being upwind!)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:19:49 -0500   Thank you, Mr. Scribner in answering my query about the hood ornament I = saw (with organ pipes)--- I knew I wasn't dreaming this or experiencing a = warped brain --yet. Moller-- hmmm...I'll research that. Danke Schoen !! Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:25:56 -0500   >Thank you, Mr. Scribner in answering my query about the hood ornament I = saw >(with organ pipes)--- I knew I wasn't dreaming this or experiencing a = warped >brain --yet. Moller-- hmmm...I'll research that. Danke Schoen !! = Rick   Check Moller entry in the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE AMERICAN THEATRE ORGAN, Volume 1 on Page 347 for a photo of the Moller car and the nameplate   David    
(back) Subject: Re: Back From Kentucky From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:40:07 -0500   Thanks, Roc... The instrument is VERY romantic --1939 vintage. It only needs a xylophone and toy counter, and maybe a Barton lift !!! (Can the choir loft get any higher???) The acoustics in the sanctuary are vaulted Romanesque -- the sound comes from "no where, and yet everywhere" -not a dead spot in the house! Imagine, sixteen -8' stops (with couplers), and three 16' pedal stops -not to mention couplers! Five assorted flute stops, six strings, three diapasons, Oboe, Vox (in a box), and Clarinet. Each division -Choir, Great, Swell has its' own diapasons, flutes, = strings, and reeds each coupleable inter-manually and intra-manually, and pedal at 16 -8 -4. The pedal has its' own stops. All pitman chests except the Gedeckt The Gedeckt (Swell) is unified to 2'. The Oboe is actually a mild trumpet -just enough to add some "snarl" to = the ensemble. The (older) congregation was GLAD to hear the instrument again after a 20-year silence, and the teens are discovering pipe organ. As was, and will still be... guitar/ band Masses, but the organ will be incorporated in the Masses as solo and choir/organ -by an enthusiastic = music ministry! Operatic arrangements sound very orchestral, and favor the instrument as such.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:04:34 -0700   At 08:33 PM 10/17/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I remember seeing a hood ornament of an auto manufacturer which displayed >organ pipes. Can't recall the details, but the car-maker was involved in >organs too. >Any feed-back?     Must have been Moller. They were involved in auto-building in the 1930s for a couple of years. Not too surprisingly, M. P. Moller (of pipe organ fame) was a director of their company.     Regards,   Bob   http://www.jps.net/rrloesch   Time flies whether you're having fun or not!   The best things in life aren't THINGS.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars From: Victorgan@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:02:54 EDT   Rick:   Check out Encyclopedia of the American Theatre Organ - David Junchen: = page 347.   Vic  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1119 - 10/18/99 From: richard r stein grumpy <grumpy@gwis.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:15:52 -0400     --------------CF9631D1AA9F75179678793D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I AM NEW TO THE LIST AND THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF I AM POSTING CORRECTLY..   ALSO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND LARGE PRINT HELPS VERY MUCH..   GRUMPY   --------------CF9631D1AA9F75179678793D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML> <FONT SIZE=3D+1>I AM NEW TO THE LIST AND THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF I = AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D+1>POSTING CORRECTLY..</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D+1></FONT>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D+1>ALSO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND = LARGE</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D+1>PRINT HELPS VERY MUCH..</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D+1></FONT>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D+1>GRUMPY</FONT></HTML>   --------------CF9631D1AA9F75179678793D--    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1119 - 10/18/99 From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:23:09 -0400   At 01:15 PM 1999-10-18 -0400, Richard Stein wrote: > I AM NEW TO THE LIST AND THIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF I AM >POSTING CORRECTLY.. ALSO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, I AM LEGALLY BLIND AND = LARGE >PRINT HELPS VERY MUCH.. GRUMPY     Richard,   Welcome to PipeChat, - sure, you can use Caps if it is better for you. I can see just a little better than you, but I am very much aware of the problems that go with Low Vision, for I am a Volunteer at the Canadian National Institute for = the Blind, in the Technical Aids Department. You can find a wealth of helpful guides if you contact them.   If you are in the United States, there are many similar organisations.   Once again welcome to the List.   Bob Conway...  
(back) Subject: Re: Earning a living!! From: "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:01:10 +0100   Dear John and List.   Thankyou for this reply and the all the others I have recieved in reply to my 'Earning a living'question.   Yes, I have taught both piano and organ in the past. I have never relied = on it for a living, but certainly found the extra income useful.   In my limited experience as a teacher, I have found that the pipe organ = has, sadly, become very unfasionable with the youth of today. For this reason it is not easy at all to build up keen group of students, and this is obviously the reason for the shortage of organists throughuot the country. It is also clear that in many ares, youth find the idea of attending = church on a regular basis 'not trendy', so the study of the church organ is = doomed. It is therefore vital that we somehow attract younger people back to the pipe organ or we will face a future, eventually, where we will find ourselves listning to taped music at mass. This is not the case with all youth, and I don't mean to tar all youngsters with the same brush because = we all know keen youngsters who are just starting out, but I feel this is largly the case.   I hope I have put this point across clearly and would be interested to = read your views.   Regards.   Paul Austin   paul.p.austin@talk21.com   > Hello Paul, > > Do you teach? There is such a hugh shortage of organist in some parts > of the country, we could use organ teachers. In my area there is an > over supply of pianist, and the organs sit idle. > My daughter is a pianist, she doesn't really like organs, but she > played an organ for a church while in college and made almost enough > money to pay for her room and board. > > > > > I have recently given up a quite well paid job to move back up North = to be closer to my family. I am now seeking new employment to pay my = internet bills! > > -- > Organ Service by Schneider Electronics > John E. Schneider * 1855 Waas Valley Road * Dresbach, MN 55947 > (507) 895 2702 voice/fax * orgsrv@means.net > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars From: "Rick \"OrganPlayer\" Locher" <rick.locher@gte.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:28:25 -0500   Welcome back! The organ project was completed at St. Peter's in Frankfort August 1st. All is well and if you're ever in da hood, stop by and introduce yourself, mention my name and try out the organ! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Organ-related Cars     > Thank you, Mr. Scribner in answering my query about the hood ornament I saw > (with organ pipes)--- I knew I wasn't dreaming this or experiencing a warped > brain --yet. Moller-- hmmm...I'll research that. Danke Schoen !! = Rick > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Lack of interest (was Re: Earning a living!!) From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:40:56 -0600   >In my limited experience as a teacher, I have found that the pipe organ = has, >sadly, become very unfasionable with the youth of today. Somebody circulated a list of 90s vocabulary a while back, and one of the terms was "Blamestorming"--sounds apropos here. There's any number of a thousand reasons that we can blame for this sense of "unfashionability", but I'll zero in on one of my own pet peeves. Organists all need to learn how to talk about their instrument with the lay public. In short, we are our own worst enemies when it comes to publicity. I blush every time I hear an organist trying to talk in "Orgelspeke" with a layman...prattling endlessly on about pipes, feet, pallets, etc...All I have to say is, people don't give a rodent's = posterior about the instrument as a physical entity, they're much more interested in the music it makes. This has a very important bearing on how the organ is presented to kids. The interests are the same, but one has a much shorter tolerance = for endless prattle about pipes, feet, and what have you. Bottom line is, don't talk about the instrument--talk about the music.   >It is also clear that in many ares, youth find the idea of attending = church >on a regular basis 'not trendy', so the study of the church organ is = doomed. That's the church's problem, and it does spill over to us. As a profession, we can't depend on the church to support us forever. From all I've seen, the church is heading further and further away from the organ and has no compunctions about telling us where to go. Regardless of what we think about worship styles, the church has to take its own path. I'm curious if we'll ever see a return of the organ as a concert instrument outside of the church--that's certainly the road it's taking over in Japan, where the church is barely even a noticable establishment. Perhaps it's because the organ over there isn't fettered with the stereotypical "white-haired church lady" image that it receives over here.   Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "...an A&E mind in an MTV world."      
(back) Subject: Re: Lack of interest (was Re: Earning a living!!) From: "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:57:09 +0100   >All I have to say is, people don't give a rodent's posterior > about the instrument as a physical entity, they're much more interested = in > the music it makes. > This has a very important bearing on how the organ is presented to > kids. The interests are the same.   I agree exactly.   Example. I have been organist at a church for some time, and we have = always had a reasonable choir. The problem was it was made up only of only = adults ranging in age from 40-70 (ish). The choir master and myself decided to advertise through the church magazine and various diocesan publications = for youngsters to join up. It proved successful and we had about 10 kids = join. They attended practices regularly for several months, and then stopped. = It turned out that one of the boys were being bullied for singing in the = choir and as a result had decided to leave. Understandable. This goes to = prove how some youngsters view church involvement and this is affecting not only the church, but the future of church music. Is it the responsibility of = the church or the responsibility of church musicians to improve the appeal?   Paul.    
(back) Subject: Lack of Interest From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:50:20 -0500   In regards to the above subject title, St. Francis deSales in Paducah, KY just celebrated their 150 anniversary (as a parish), 100 years as a church building. It was requested the organ be ready for the event --it was. Several activities lasted the week, and on this past Thursday night, was +ACI-music night+ACI-. The band and choir performed, and the = +ACI-debut+ACI- of the recently restored Reuter. No feathers in my cap (the meek shall inherit....etc.), but I was given a standing ovation after the first piece --Ave Maria. Two other pieces followed. So many were glad to hear the instrument once again after so many years. From what I have seen at St. Francis, the music ministry will expand --due to efforts from the gals in the office, the two priests (bless their hearts), an enthusiastic choir with pianist/organist, and the congegration in general who will get tired of strumming guitars. Many teens also had a tour of the swell boxes, and were nicely impressed. Several teen band members play piano and have showed interest in organ (as = a result of the Reuters rebirth), and will be guided by the organist there.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Stop Origions From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:02:49 -0500   Ever wonder what Ophecleide means, or what it is? We know it's a 16' Tuba (in theatre organ lingo). Hautbois.... French (oh-buwa) --my other pronunciation I won't post. What means Salicional...other than a soft string-stop? Fagot.... 16' Oboe or Bassoon? The Tibia is/was a hollowed-out leg bone made into a flute. There are indeed many other stop-names that interest me as far as = origions, but this will suffice for now.   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Origions From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:27:11   At 07:02 PM 10/18/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Ever wonder what Ophecleide means, or what it is? >There are indeed many other stop-names that interest me as far as = origions, >but this will suffice for now.<snip>   You need to get copies of Audley's "Pipe Organ Stops" and Stevens Irwin's "Dictionary of Pipe Organ Stops". These will provide much in terms of where these names originated, i.e., "Salicional" came from "salix =3D a willow". Interesting, no?   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: question From: thoehn@theatreorgans.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:49:57 -0400   Greetings -   A member of my church has (in her parents home in Pittsburgh) a MASON & = HAMLIN MELODEON. She asked if I might be able to find anything out about what it = might be worth. What it would cost to restore. I can get a fairly detailed description and photos scanned if necessary.   E-mail me privately.   Ricky - can you help on this one?      
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Origions: Ophecleide From: Matthew J Collins <mcoll@panix.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:57:52 -0400 (EDT)   At 07:02 PM 10/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Ever wonder what Ophecleide means, or what it is?   Per G.A.Audsley, the name is derived from the Greek for "serpent" and a "key", and was a brass instrument of extensive compass and powerful voice. (and I'd give you the Greek, if my mail program would handle it). As he says of the 8' in the solo division of St. George's Hall, Liverpool (which speaks on 22" wind), "it is a superb stop, but its value is unfortunately circumscribed through its tone being beyond artistic control, and devoid = of powers of expression."   Gotta love that Audsley.   --- MJC --- mcoll@panix.com --- http://www.panix.com/~mcoll = ------------------------ Copyright 1999 Matthew J. Collins. Reproduction or distribution = prohibited except for direct response on Usenet or e-mail. Unsolicited commercial email will be proofread at $175 per message. Hi mom.    
(back) Subject: Fw: question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:06:02 -0500     -----Original Message----- From: thoehn@theatreorgans.com <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 7:58 PM Subject: question     >Greetings - > >A member of my church has (in her parents home in Pittsburgh) a MASON & HAMLIN >MELODEON. She asked if I might be able to find anything out about what = it might >be worth. What it would cost to restore. I can get a fairly detailed >description and photos scanned if necessary. > >E-mail me privately. > >Ricky - can you help on this one? >**************************************************************************= * ******************** Hi Tommy... A melodian was generally an air pressure instrument. Many = M&S organs were made. My sources only give dates on seriel numbers -if you can get the seriel number, at least you'll have a date of manufacture. Is it a low cabinet, or one with the gallery shelves and mirrors? Price varies on cabinet style and playing condition.   Rick > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Stop origions From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:10:18 -0500   Thanks to all fer yer infermaeshin. I have Audsley's and Irwins book. Why don't I just read them ???+ACEAIQAh-   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Mr. David Messineo / MSU From: Oboe32@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:57:43 EDT   Montclair State has a very healthy organ dept. for such a small liberal = arts school. There were 9 organ students last year, and I hear they are = intending on getting a small II manual instrument for concert/rehearsal = needs. David is doing a great job and continues to be a phenomenal = organist!     -Pete Isherwood    
(back) Subject: Extreme Homes Broadcast From: Devon3000@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 22:14:03 EDT   Sunday evening, my wife and I often watch the broadcast of "Extreme Homes" = on cable, and they featured the home of Eva and Fred Beeks in Skagway, = Alaska.   They built their home around a 9-rank Wurlitzer pipe organ.   What was so shocking was that every time they showed the pipes or Fred playing the Wurlitzer console, all we heard was a terrible electronic circus-like organ sound with no tremolo. It was obvious Fred wasn't = playing it, because there was no synchronization of hands and music. Any person = who hasn't heard a pipe organ, particularly a theatre organ, will not be interested after hearing this program.   Anyone have any inside information on why this was done in this manner?   Devon Hollingsworth, in Chicago suburb.   Felix Hell performance at Christ Church of Oak Brook, November 5, 7:30 = p.m.  
(back) Subject: Touched By An Angel? From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:15:36 -0400   Did anyone besides me watch "Touched By An Angel" last night?   The show was about a Latino migrant worker kid who has enormous musical talent. He goes into the Roman Catholic church in the area where he and his family are picking vegetables and hears "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring" played on what looks like an OCH instrument. The organist is playing it all on one manual with one registration, which is medium flues up to at least 2'. The music was probably dubbed in in the studio -- the dead giveaway is that the organ sounds like an electronic and is in tune.   The kid goes back to the church later and starts picking out what he's heard on the piano, not the organ. After lessons with Tess (the senior angel played by Della Reese, for those of you who don't watch the show), = he wins a scholarship to a music school and the angel crew overcomes his father's opposition to a possible career in music.   I guess any publicity is better than no publicity, but I wish they had arranged for him to find the key to the blower switch.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Extreme Homes Broadcast From: ORGANUT@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:47:47 EDT   In a message dated 10/18/99 9:16:30 PM Central Daylight Time, Devon3000@aol.com writes:   << What was so shocking was that every time they showed the pipes or Fred playing the Wurlitzer console, all we heard was a terrible electronic circus-like organ sound with no tremolo. It was obvious Fred wasn't = playing it, because there was no synchronization of hands and music. Any person = who hasn't heard a pipe organ, particularly a theatre organ, will not be interested after hearing this program. >> You expressed my observations exactly. My concern is that someone = hearing the pitiful sound would think the owner was insane for going to so much trouble and expense.   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Organ- related cars From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 23:59:41 -0500   What auto manufacturer was MP Moller associated with?   Rick dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net        
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Origions From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 02:49:15 -0500   VEAGUE wrote:   > Ever wonder what Ophecleide means, or what it is? We know it's a 16' = Tuba > (in theatre organ lingo).   I recall reading somewhere (Grove's, maybe) that the Ophecleide had a relationship to the modern tuba that was in parallel to the relationship between the modern cornet and modern trumpet, that is to say, of similar = size and voicing of the tuba, with a different sound quality.   > Hautbois.... French (oh-buwa) --my other > pronunciation I won't post.   I always assumed that "Hautbois" was the French word of which "oboe" is a mispronunciation.   > What means Salicional...other than a soft > string-stop? Fagot.... 16' Oboe or Bassoon?   Fagot is a European name for the bassoon, it may be either French or = German, or both.