PipeChat Digest #1125 - Saturday, October 23, 1999
 
Re: Pipes v electric.
  by "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Barbara Eppley" <beppley@acorn.net>
Easter Hymns on Ash Wednesday
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Spencer Gray King, Jr." <gking1@bellsouth.net>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Advent Music
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Advent Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Tough nut to crack
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1123 - 10/21/99
  by "larry fuerman" <fuerman@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
the clock
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: the clock
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Pipes v electric. From: "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:38:32 +0100     >They are considering removing the pipe organ > to make more space in the vestry area, and > replacing it with an electronic.   >One of the problems we have always had is > getting the sound around the church. The > organ is currently situated in the Chancel, and > most of the sound we loose up the tower > before it reaches the congregation. If music is truly important to your parish, the pipe organ should remain. Anything of importance is going to require consideration. If you are going to have a good air-conditioning system, room must be made for the equipment. A less efficient and cheaper system could be installed to take up less space, actually using the same idea as the electronic.... window units all around the church. Fortunately, no one would put up with this. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a like committment to music.   Perhaps the need for more space in the vestry is a blessing in disguise. It is providing the motivation to move the pipe organ to a better place in the room. Some space is going to have to be sacrificed, but the results will be worth it. A good organ builder should be consulted to provide workable options for your unique situation.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida   Hi Bruce.   I agree fully! Unfortunatly, having discussed this with various church officials, their only concern is money. What can I do?   Cheers.   Paul.   paul.p.austin@talk21.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:05:01 -0500   N Brown wrote:   > Anyway the survey: How many of you in the more liturgical traditions > sing only advent hymns and how many of you go ahead and sing Chmas > carols throughout the Advent season?   My wife is the Rector of an Episcopal Church here in St. Louis, and feels strongly about keeping the proper liturgical seasons. There are no Christmas carols or Christmas decorations until the sun has set on the last Sunday of Advent. There is a lot of good Advent music and we sometimes have an Advent service of lessons and carols as well as a Christmas one. We generally have our Christmas carol service on the First Sunday of Christmas. We also try to make something of the Epiphany season as well, though we have never quite had the stamina for an Epiphany carol service as well as Advent and Christmas!   I did know of one church in Pennsylvania (a Church of the Brethren) where they had the same decorations in both Advent and Christmas seasons, and changed the bows on them from purple to red as the season changed.   John Speller, St. Mark's, St. Louis.  
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: Barbara Eppley <beppley@acorn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 8:27:52 EDT   I belong and play to a Disciples congregation --- Protestant, fairly tolerant of variations from the liturgical seasons, although we adhere reasonably to same. Come attention is paid to Advent vx Christmas in the hymn choosing, and certainly in my music for organ and piano I try to adhere .We generally have a Carol Hymnsing at the beginning of Advent though -- and here lies my point : If the singing of carols helps to establish the "mood" and mindset of Christmas and the season of our Lord's birth, is there a problem with that?   I would be interested in suggestions for Christmas and Advent Piano collections as well, intermediate level mostly. I fell a few weeks ago and suffered a broken foot, which will keep me to the piano for awhile. I have progressed to half notes on the pedal before it hurts! Thanks --- Barb -- The Eppley Family beppley@acorn.net lilkate06@aol.com blondi4692@aol.com Yrexlncy@aol.com Happy Comminicating!                                       q   x                                 The Eppley's: beppley@acorn.net,lilkate06@aol.com,blondi4692@aol.com,Yrexlncy@aol.com, smtp:eppleyg@bemis.com    
(back) Subject: Easter Hymns on Ash Wednesday From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:38:20 -0400       Thanks --- Barb-- The Eppley Family wrote: <<We generally have a Carol Hymnsing at the beginning of Advent though -- and here lies my point: If the singing of carols helps to establish the "mood" and mindset of Christmas and the season of our Lord's birth, is there a problem with that?>> ________________________________________________________________________   Hmmmmmmmmm. And so I guess that you also sing Easter hymns on Ash Wednesday to help "set the mood."   Regards,   Wayne NYC & Milford, PA      
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: "Spencer Gray King, Jr." <gking1@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:51:24 -0400   At Pilgrim Lutheran, we sing only advent hymns until Christmas. I hear = the grumbling too. But, like others say, I don't pick 'em, I just play them.   In my dad's Baptist church, they sing Christmas songs starting about November and continue until after Christmas.   I personally don't see all the big deal about just singing advent hymns. = I understand the theology, but I also believe we can sing about His birth prior to it supposedly happening. If the day is more or less arbitrary = when Christ was born, then why not be a little more relaxed about singing Christmas music. I know, I know.....just don't respond to this anyone....it isn't worth the time to argue about........please, not = another thread like the Virgin Mary thing!   Christ's love Gray        
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:02:00 -0400   > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) > > How many of you in the more liturgical traditions > sing only advent hymns and how many of you go ahead and sing Chmas > carols throughout the Advent season?   We sing Advent music only during Advent, and Christmas music only during Christmas--the full Twelve Days, of course.   You indicated that the reasons aren't the big deal here, but let me offer two that you may not have on your list. If you sing Christmas music = during Advent, then what are you going to sing on 2-5 January? People will be = sick of Christmas music after five weeks of it (10% of the year). And if you don't sing Advent music during Advent, when will you sing it? During Holy Week and Easter? Won't that be a bit weird? And when would you then sing your Holy Week and Easter music? On the Fourth of July?   Alan    
(back) Subject: Advent Music From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:07:59 -0400   Advent is an important part of the church calendar, with Advent Music to fit the solemn season, with penitance and preparation for the coming = birth of Christ celebration. Christmas Music is begun on Christmas Eve and continues to January 6, within the church. My Advent hymns include: "O Come Emmanuel" "Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus" "Christ, Be Our Light" "Saviour of the Nations, Come" "The King Shall Come When Morning Dawns" "Watchman, Tell Us of the Night" "The Advent of Our King" "On Jordan's Banks" "Comfort, Comfort O My People" "People Look East" "The God of Abraham Praise" "Lift Up Your Heads, ye Mighty Gates" "Mary, Woman of the Promise" "Rejoice, the Lord is King" "Lo, How a Rose" "Venez, Divine Messiah" "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence"   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:13:28 -0500   John, what does the Christmas carol service look/sound like? Will you please provide some particulars of it?   Glenda Sutton       ----- Original Message ----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>   > My wife is the Rector of an Episcopal Church here in St. Louis, and > feels strongly about keeping the proper liturgical seasons. There are > no Christmas carols or Christmas decorations until the sun has set on > the last Sunday of Advent. There is a lot of good Advent music and we > sometimes have an Advent service of lessons and carols as well as a > Christmas one. We generally have our Christmas carol service on the > First Sunday of Christmas. We also try to make something of the > Epiphany season as well, though we have never quite had the stamina for > an Epiphany carol service as well as Advent and Christmas!        
(back) Subject: Re: Advent Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:20:49 -0500   Well, I "pick 'em" at the church (Episcopal - the priest here defers to me on music; isn't that wonderful?), and we stick to the seasons also. As = Judy has listed for us, there is a wealth of beautiful music to be done for Advent. Our church is the only one in town that strictly observes the seasons, and it builds anticipation for Christmas Eve Eucharist, where = there is special Christmas music 30 minutes before the service and throughout. The church is packed, with lots of people from the other denominations (because we also have the only Christmas Eve service in town) - it is very meaningful and beautiful.   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 8:07 AM Subject: Advent Music     > Advent is an important part of the church calendar, with Advent Music to > fit the solemn season, with penitance and preparation for the coming birth > of Christ celebration. Christmas Music is begun on Christmas Eve and > continues to January 6, within the church. My Advent hymns include: > "O Come Emmanuel" > "Come, Thou Long Expected Jesus" > "Christ, Be Our Light" > "Saviour of the Nations, Come" > "The King Shall Come When Morning Dawns" > "Watchman, Tell Us of the Night" > "The Advent of Our King" > "On Jordan's Banks" > "Comfort, Comfort O My People" > "People Look East" > "The God of Abraham Praise" > "Lift Up Your Heads, ye Mighty Gates" > "Mary, Woman of the Promise" > "Rejoice, the Lord is King" > "Lo, How a Rose" > "Venez, Divine Messiah" > "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence" > > Judy Ollikkala > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Tough nut to crack From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:22:15 -0600   Paul wrote: >I agree fully! Unfortunatly, having discussed this with various church >officials, their only concern is money. What can I do?   Paul, Brace yourself for a rough fight. Money is the achilles heel of the organ, ever more and more nowadays with the lightning quick technological advances of digital instruments. Unfortunately, (depending on the bias of the person crunching the numbers) a good quality pipe instrument can still come out costing more per annum than a perennial parade of disposable pipeless substitutes. So, don't try to play financial games with them...even if you win, you'll just end up with a miserable pipe organ built to satisfy the bottom line. (I can think of hundreds of examples) Your goal is to get these people to start thinking "outside the box" of simple dollars and cents--no small feat in today's world. Here are a few thoughts on the various = angles that you can take to get through to these people and save your instrument. I'm sure that listmembers can think of others.   * First off, if you're not spending money in the house of God, where else are you going to spend it? (here at KU, this is one of Dr. Bauer's = personal favorites and is taken from an argument between two medieval theologians over the Basilica of St-Denis in Paris)   * Emphasize the need for sincerity and authenticity in worship   * Unless they haven't eaten for days and had their car recently = impounded, most organists skip over help wanted ads that mention digital instruments without giving them a second thought...making it awful tough to find a successor for you when you retire   * Emphasize the need for continuity in the tradition of the church. Your church is not just a fly-by-night operation that sprung up yesterday, = right?   * Emphasize the need for quality and beauty of tone, which goes beyond simple noise   * Whatever you do, DO NOT threaten to resign over this...they'll simply tell you where you can get off, hire some incompetent kid to play the new toy, and you'll make all of us (as a professional community) look bad in the process.   Finally, remember that history is on your side. Folks have been attacking the pipe organ for centuries, and it's survived everything from Calvin's followers, to the "wave of the future" that people saw in the = reed organ at the turn of the century.   May the force be with you,   Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "...an A&E mind in an MTV world."      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1123 - 10/21/99 From: larry fuerman <fuerman@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:06:27 -0400   Hi David, would you change Pipe chat to Dennis' new address   DENNISECOOK@WORLDNET.ATT.NET   thank you,   Larry   PipeChat wrote:   > PipeChat Digest #1123 - Thursday, October 21, 1999 > > Re: Pipes v electric. > by "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> > Re: Organ Transcriptions > by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> > Re: Transcription Performers > by "Jack Williams" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> > Re: Transcription Performers > by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Pipes v electric. > From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:30:52 -0000 > > Around here there have been some good results with a good electronic > manufacturer providing a new console and adding digital ranks. With = even > half a dozen digital stops and speakers put in good places, the whole = thing > might work out well. I think it would solve the problem of keeping = everyone > together since everyone would hear the organ at the same time, but would = not > take away from the pipe sounds you already have. As I say, I have seen = it > done down here in Florida, and quite successfully, too. JOHN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Organ Transcriptions > From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:37:00 -0400 > > VEAGUE wrote: > > > > Theatre organ is a natural for transcriptions. With its' orchestral > > possibilities, and in the right hands -Reginald Foort and Jesse = Crawford to > > name a few. Several other TO'ists have transcribed pieces to = theatrical > > success. > > Rapid stop changes and orchestral tone coloring bring the symphony to = the > > console. > > I agree. In fact there is a thread at present on PIPORG-L discussing > organists and orchestral organs that are keeping this art alive. The > big organs such as at Longwood Gardens or the giant at Wanamakers are > an interesting crossover from theatre organs to classic organs. > > On the theatre organ, the Tom Hazleton "Pictures At An Exhibition" > recorded at Sanfilippo's on the "Pipe Organ Extravaganza 3" set > is one of the very best performances that I have ever heard on > ANY organ! > > I would love to hear an CD recorded on the renovated Radio City Music > Hall 2 4/58 featuring transcriptions utilizing two organists on the > twin consoles. > > ...Well, now you know what I want for Christmas! :) > > Stan Lowkis > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Transcription Performers > From: Jack Williams <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) > > You should have heard Alexander Frey perform the > transcription of the complete Mahler 5th Symphony in > Grace Cathedral here in San Francisco in September. > It was a true "orchestral" performance. He regidtered > it to the hilt and played it beautifully. He is in his > mis-30's. Also, Peter David Conte, whom I have not yet > heard, is also supposed to be a great transcription > player. > > --- Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> wrote: > > >Very good historical perspective, Robert. Though, I > > >have heard performances of Lemare's transcriptions > > of > > >some of the Wagner overtures. > > I hope you have the opportunity to hear more than > > his > > Wagner...particularly the work he did with the > > lighter fare from Italian > > opera, and even his work with Tchaikovsky. > > > > >Who do you all think > > >are some of the great transcription performers of > > our > > >time? > > Tough to say...the art of the transcription came > > under heavy fire > > during the American organ reform movement and has > > yet to recover. As it > > stands nowadays, organists are still living under a > > self-imposed moratorium > > on transcribing--students just aren't encouraged to > > try it out, and are > > often even actively *discouraged*...Further, modern > > technique has really > > slumped in regards to registration--Few folks > > nowadays have the ears, the > > sense of color, or the registrational technique > > necessary to pull off a > > transcription. > > Nonetheless, things are starting to change bit by > > bit. Two artists > > I would start with are Thomas Trotter over in > > Birmingham, and Thomas Murray > > at Yale University. Both have the chops, the color > > sensibilities, and the > > instruments (Woolsey, and Birmingham) needed to pull > > off a good orchestral > > rendition. > > Finally, the current generation of young organists > > (myself > > included) seems more interested in transcribing--as > > evidenced by many > > concert programmes publishes in TAO. Give it > > another decade or so, and I > > think we'll see some real hummers! > > > > Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas > > http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/ > > > > "...an A&E mind in an MTV world." > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Transcription Performers > From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 03:07:11 -0500 > > Jack Williams wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > Let's open this new thread of discussion: Who do you > > think are the great transcription performers and why. > > Tuesday Night, September 19, as part of its Concert Series, Church of = the > Incarnation presented Roberto Bertero, organist from St. Rita's = Basilica, > Turin Italy, and the Sanctuary of the Consoled in the same city. = Roberto, > a graduate of the Verdi Conservatory in Turin, studied with Michael > Radelescu, And Jean Guillou. > > In his concert on Tuesday night, he played his own transcription of > Tschaikowsky's Fantasie/Impromptu, "Romeo and Juliet"; on his CD, = recorded > on the Spaeth organ at the Church of Sts. Peter and Paul, Zurich, = entitled > "De Venise a New York", released on the "BNL" label as their number > 112892, he has included three other transcriptions: > > Barber's "Adagio", > > Saint-Saens "Danse Macabre, Op 40", and > > Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT)     If we sing Easter hymns on Good Friday, Harvest hymns on Ash Wednesday, morning hymns at evening services, etc., etc., then perhaps singing Christmas hymns in Advent is consistent with other such practices. Short of that, singing Christmas hymns in Advent is very inconsistent with general church practice.   We do need, of course, to consider Richard Nieburh's classic _Christ and Culture_, for in THAT context do we come to understand the implications of singing Christmas hymns in Advent. In a nutshell: do we let the secular culture indicate how we conduct Church life, or do we conduct Church life on the basis of the Church's life and witness to the Gospel?   There's no room for simple-minded, knee-jerk reactions such as "the bible doesn't forbid us from singing Christmas carols in Advent." Rather, the issue is the extent to which the Church and the gospel maintain sufficient separation from the culture to be able to proclaim TO the culture, versus the degree to which the Church is willing to get in bed WITH the culture. (Neibuhr gives five different relationships of Christ and the culture.) Here again, there's no room for simple-minded, knee-jerk reactions, must as Neibuhr's thought implies. I would suggest that Neibuhr's classic is of such value as to invalidate any arguments here on this subject until one has studied--STUDIED, not just read--Neibuhr's thought. It's a pace-setting study!!   But for the moment: does the Church exist to do the culture's thing or the Church's thing? How we answer the question determines how we approach Christmas hymns and carols during Advent. If the sermons all through December deal with celebrating the birth of God Incarnate in Jesus, this also informs the question of what we sing.   Church choirs who accept or even seek invitations to sing Christmas music in shopping centers during the Christmas shopping season merely excacerbate the problem and confuse the issue even further. My choir does not exist to entertain people in commercial situations or to encourage the sales register receipts of stores; it exists to further the Gospel. Pious-sounding claims of how that conveys the gospel to the people in shopping centers don't wash. Obviously, however, igt's a small steop from the entgertainment mode of such singing to the entertainment mode of some churches engaged in "entertainment evangelism."   Obviously, lots of people don't care whether the congregational singing relates to the preaching, lessons, etc. They simply hear the carols in stores, etc., and want to carry the secular (including commercial) world into their worship music. Is that a good-enough reason to do it?   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:33:43 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3023458423_10583133_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Dr. Moyer:   Gigantic!   Thank you immensely.   Alan Freed St. Luke's Church, Manhattan     From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT) To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Carols during Advent   If we sing Easter hymns on Good Friday, Harvest hymns on Ash Wednesday, morning hymns at evening services, etc., etc., then perhaps singing Christmas hymns in Advent is consistent with other such practices. Short of that, singing Christmas hymns in Advent is very inconsistent with general church practice.     --MS_Mac_OE_3023458423_10583133_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Carols during Advent</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Dr. Moyer:<BR> <BR> Gigantic!<BR> <BR> Thank you immensely.<BR> <BR> Alan Freed<BR> St. Luke's Church, Manhattan<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>&quot;Karl E. Moyer&quot; = &lt;kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu&gt;=3D <BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;PipeChat&quot; &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Date: </B>Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT)<BR> <B>To: </B>PipeChat &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Carols during Advent<BR> <BR> If we sing Easter hymns on Good Friday, Harvest hymns on Ash<BR> Wednesday, morning hymns at evening services, etc., etc., then perhaps<BR> singing Christmas hymns in Advent is consistent with other such<BR> practices. &nbsp;Short of that, singing Christmas hymns in Advent is = very<B=3D R> </BLOCKQUOTE>inconsistent with general church practice.<BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3023458423_10583133_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: the clock From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:21:34 -0400 (EDT)   Dear American Listers: Do we change our clocks tomorrow evening (Sat. 10/23) to Standard Time? I know this is off topic, but I don't want to be early or late for Sunday morning's Prelude (there on topic now). I haven't heard it mentioned at all, but my wife just asked me.   thanks for your help --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: the clock From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:44:15 -0500   My calendar states that we change to Standard Time next weekend (10/31), = not this coming one.   Cheers,   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: N Brown <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: the clock     > Dear American Listers: Do we change our clocks tomorrow evening (Sat. > 10/23) to Standard Time? > I know this is off topic, but I don't want to be early or late for > Sunday morning's Prelude (there on topic now). I haven't heard it > mentioned at all, but my wife just asked me. > > thanks for your help > > --Neil > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:41:50 -0700   > * Emphasize the need for sincerity and authenticity in worship To imply that people are insincere and not genuine in their worship = because they do not have a pipe organ is certainly in bad taste; is this what you really mean? > > * Unless they haven't eaten for days and had their car recently = impounded, > most organists skip over help wanted ads that mention digital = instruments > without giving them a second thought...making it awful tough to find a > successor for you when you retire I've play more than one pipe organ in a church where I would not take the job for reasons of the organ itself. Just because it has pipes does not = make it a good instrument. There are a lot of bad pipe organs around. > > * Emphasize the need for continuity in the tradition of the church. = Your > church is not just a fly-by-night operation that sprung up yesterday, = right? So, churches that use digital organs are fly-by-night operations, lacking any credibility? Should they all be closed down, too, if they don't have a pipe organ? > > * Emphasize the need for quality and beauty of tone, which goes beyond > simple noise And digital organs are just noise? Some, perhaps, but many, definitely = not just noise. I just installed a new 3-manual Makin which is thoroughly satisfying to play, hour after hour, and very convincing and beautiful.   This type of remark only serves to further divide people ... I can only = hope you did not mean some of these remarks the way they came across.   Jason McGuire