PipeChat Digest #1127 - Sunday, October 24, 1999
 
Re: Christmas piano/organ duet music sought
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Just a couple of stupid questions
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
John Rutter
  by "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
Re: Carols during Advent
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: John Rutter
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com>
More ideas, please
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com>
Re: John Rutter
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Hinners Goes to School
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: Tough nut to crack
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Christmas piano/organ duet music sought
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Christmas piano/organ duet music sought From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:50:49 -0700   G. Schirmer (?) "Organ and Piano Duets" (blue book, two copies required) = has most of the classics ... also check out Lorenz and J. Pepper's websites = ... they have LOTS.   Cheers,     Bud   Glenda wrote:   > Hi. A dear friend of mine, a pianist, has agreed to come and do some = duet > music with me at Christmas (Holy Eucharist for Christmas Eve - Episcopal > church). However, my piano/organ music/repertoire is so tiny (I = generally > don't have another musician available to do duets, and I've just not = found > that much music of this genre that I really like) that the two of us = have > already done what I have a few years ago when he visited. > > Do any of you have any suggestions of tasteful music for organ/piano = duet in > print, so that I could quickly order same for the occasion? > > I already know of the Liszt 4-hand arrangement of the tune "In dulci > jubilo". > > Thank you. > > Glenda Sutton > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:12:48 -0500   Glenda wrote: > > John, what does the Christmas carol service look/sound like? Will you > please provide some particulars of it?   I don't seem to be able to find last year's, but here are the particulars from the year before. The Carol Service took place on the First Sunday of Christmas (December 28, 1997) in the context of the main Sunday morning 10 a.m. Episcopal Holy Eucharist Rite II (i.e. the more "up-to-date" version in the 1979 Episcopal *Book of Common Prayer* that uses "you" instead of "thou", etc.). The Nine Lessons and Carols were used as the Ministry of the Word for the first part of the service (as the Episcopal *Occasional Services* Book suggests may be done), and then the Eucharist continued as normal with the Offertory, other carols being used in the normal places for hymns in the second part of the service. This service lasted about 1 hour 20 minutes. If this is felt to be a little on the long side it would be possible to omit three or four of the lessons and shorten it to about an hour. Hymn numbers are from the Episcopal *Hymnal of 1982*:   Service began in silence.   Processional Carol: Hymn 107 "Good Christian friends, rejoice"   A Bidding Prayer (found in the Episcopal *Occasional Services Book*; also in *Carols for Choirs*)   First Lesson: Genesis 2:4b-9, 15-25 (The Creation)   Congregational Carol: Hymn 82 "Of the Father's love begotten"   Second Lesson: Genesis 3: 1-23 (The Fall)   Choir Carol: "Creator of the stars of night" (Plainsong)   Third Lesson: Isaiah 35: 1-10 (Isaiah prophesies God's salvation)   Congregational Carol: Hymn 65 "Prepare the way, O Zion"   Fourth Lesson: Isaiah 7: 10-15 ("Behold a virgin shall conceive")   Choir Carol: "Lo! how a Rose e'er blooming" (Michael Praetorius)   Fifth Lesson: Luke 1:26-58 (The Annunciation)   Congregational Carol: Hymn 265 "The Angel Gabriel"   Sixth Lesson: Luke 1:39-56 (The Virgin Mary is greeted by Elizabeth)   Choir Carol: The Magnificat (Plainsong)   Seventh Lesson: Luke 2:1-20 (The birth of Jesus and the visitation of the shepherds)   Congregational Carol: Hymn 94 "While shepherds watched"   Eighth Lesson: Luke 2:21-36 (The presentation of Jesus in the Temple)   Choir Carol: The Nunc Dimittis (Plainsong)   Ninth Lesson: (The Gospel) John 1: 1-18 (The Word made flesh)   Choir Carol: Personent Hodie (Gustav Holst) sung in Latin   --------------------   Offertory Hymn: Hymn 79 "O Little town of Bethlehem"   At the Presentation: The Doxology (Hymn 380 v.3)   Eucharistic Prayer B (Book of Common Prayer p. 367)   Sanctus & Benedictus: S129 (Robert Powell)   The Lord's Prayer   The Breaking of the Bread (fraction)   Fraction Anthem: S163 "Agnus Dei" (Robert Powell)   During Communion: Hymn 101 "Away in a manger" Hymn 110 "The snow lay on the ground"   Prayer After Communion   The Blessing   Final Hymn: Hymn 87 "Hark the herald angels sing"   The Dismissal   Organ Voluntary   --------------------------   John Speller St. Mark's, St. Louis  
(back) Subject: Just a couple of stupid questions From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:23:23 -0500   (1) I need the birth and death years for Richard Rodgers.   (2) What is the English translation of the Cantata first line/title "Was mir behagt, ist nur die muntre Jagd!"?   Thanks to all respondents.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: John Rutter From: "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:20:46 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01BF1DBD.FFC52D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello all!   I am advised that John Rutter has composed some great Christmas music. = =3D Can any of you knowledgable people give me any further information?   Thankyou.   Paul.   paul.p.austin@talk21.com   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01BF1DBD.FFC52D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hello all!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am advised that John Rutter has =3D composed some=3D20 great Christmas music.&nbsp; Can any of you knowledgable people give me = =3D any=3D20 further information?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thankyou.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paul.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2>paul.p.austin@talk21.com</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01BF1DBD.FFC52D80--    
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:19:11 -0700   The * comments are the ones I was making reference to. I replied as below and the writer responded by saying "he meant what he said."   >> * Emphasize the need for sincerity and authenticity in worship >To imply that people are insincere and not genuine in their worship = because >they do not have a pipe organ is certainly in bad taste; is this what you >really mean? > >> * Emphasize the need for continuity in the tradition of the church. = Your >> church is not just a fly-by-night operation that sprung up yesterday, = right? >So, churches that use digital organs are fly-by-night operations, lacking >any credibility? Should they all be closed down, too, if they don't have = a >pipe organ?  
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT)   >>Should I be led to the gallows?<<   Yes, John, you should--Ernest and Julio will be just fine. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:02:52 -0400 (EDT)     >The * comments are the ones I was making > reference to. I replied as below and the writer > responded by saying "he meant what he > said." >* Emphasize the need for sincerity and > authenticity in worship >To imply that people are insincere and not > genuine in their worship because they do not > have a pipe organ is certainly in bad taste; is > this what you really mean? You are apparently looking for a place to disagree. When artificial acoutrements are brought into worship, i.e. plastic flowers, electric candles, recorded music and YES electrodigitoid instruments, the reality of what is being done (worship) is eroded. It is not as obvious, especially to some who may be blinded by expediency, grandeur, or cheapness, but it is there. The people present may be sincere and genuine, but the environment is not. Plastic flowers do not prevent God from hearing prayers, but it is difficult to say that fake flowers are symbolic of life!   >* Emphasize the need for continuity in the > tradition of the church. Your church is not just > a fly-by-night operation that sprung up > yesterday, right? >So, churches that use digital organs are > fly-by-night operations, lacking any credibility? >Should they all be closed down, too, if they > don't have a pipe organ? Your translation is NOT was Rob said. He was speaking of one parish group and their historical and traditional continuity.   Argument for argument's sake is rarely productive! Read carefully, then THINK!   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: John Rutter From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:54:15 -0400   Paul: All of Johhn Rutter's music is published by Oxford and Hinshaw and distributed directly by the publisher. You might check on the Choralist to get specific "favorites" among the choral types, but I'm very partial to his 3-movement "Gloria" and his festival hymn/carol settings.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea Fort Lauderdale    
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: "Jason McGuire" <jason@johannus-norcal.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:00:36 -0700   > When artificial > acoutrements are brought into worship, i.e. plastic flowers, electric > candles, recorded music and YES electrodigitoid instruments, the reality > of what is being done (worship) is eroded. For some, perhaps.   "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in = the midst of them" (Matt. 18:20).   Peace, God bless you.  
(back) Subject: More ideas, please From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:19:57 -0600   >The * comments are the ones I was making reference to. I replied as below >and the writer responded by saying "he meant what he said."   Thank you Jason. I meant what I said...not what you said. To keep this on topic, let's get back to the question of how to help Paul negotiate the rescue of his instrument before somebody at the church makes a serious and possibly permanently damaging error. Thank you to Bud, Doug, and Bruce for providing some good ideas--let's keep the ball moving upfield and do some more brainstorming for him.   Robert Horton - GTA, University of Kansas http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~gemshorn/   "...an A&E mind in an MTV world."      
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: "paul austin" <paul.p.austin@talk21.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 03:32:16 +0100     > > When artificial > > acoutrements are brought into worship, i.e. plastic flowers, electric > > candles, recorded music and YES electrodigitoid instruments, the = reality > > of what is being done (worship) is eroded. > For some, perhaps.   Rubbish! Religion is about worshiping God. Not flowers,candles or organs. Despite our varying views on pipes and electric, our gift of musical = ability should be used to the full to the worship of God!!   Paul.   paul.p.austin@talk21.com    
(back) Subject: Re: John Rutter From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:13:58 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_44232185= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"   At 01:20 AM 10/24/1999 +0100, Paul Austin wrote: > > Hello all! > > I am advised that John Rutter has composed some great Christmas music. = Can > any of you knowledgable people give me any further information? >     There are a lot of people who would dispute the "great" part, especially = the numbers that are original with him as opposed to arrangements of = traditional tunes. The orchestral versions include a lot of perky woodwinds.   Much of his work is included in the various Oxford _Carols for Choirs_ = books; they also include a lot of David Willcocks arrangements that some of us consider more, uh, tasteful. Much of it has been recorded on Rutter's Cambride Singers CDs, so you can = hear before you buy.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_44232185= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 01:20 AM 10/24/1999 +0100, Paul Austin wrote: <br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2><blockquote type=3Dcite cite>Hello all!</font><br> &nbsp;<br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>I am advised that John Rutter has composed = some great Christmas music.&nbsp; Can any of you knowledgable people give me any further information?</font><br> &nbsp;</blockquote><br> <font face=3D"arial" size=3D2>There are a lot of people who would dispute = the &quot;great&quot; part, especially the numbers that are original with him as opposed to arrangements of traditional tunes.&nbsp; The orchestral versions include a lot of perky woodwinds.<br> <br> Much of his work is included in the various Oxford _Carols for Choirs_ books; they also include a lot of David Willcocks arrangements that some of us consider more, uh, tasteful.<br> Much of it has been recorded on Rutter's Cambride Singers CDs, so you can hear before you buy.<br> </font><br> <div>Evie</div> <br> <a href=3D"mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com" = EUDORA=3DAUTOURL>mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com</a> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_44232185= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hinners Goes to School From: DEMPAR1@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:44:48 EDT   There is another organ in a high school which most people have not even = heard of. Maybe not a Skinner, but a really nice little instrument for its environment. A few years ago, I was performing a building inspection at a private school called Blue Ridge School in the Virginia mountains in a = little town called Dyke. This was originally a church operated institution = founded around the turn of the century. In the old chapel I discovered a still playing five rank Pilcher tracker. The present operators, having gotten = some bad advice, were considering tearing it out and replacing it with a used Hammond. I called Bill Van Pelt and got the name of an organ shop in the = area and had a proposal done to restore it. After a year of fund raising, they restored the instrument and it is now used regularly for both school functions and occasional concerts. I understand it has become very popular =   with the students.  
(back) Subject: Re: Tough nut to crack From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:41:04 -0700   There used to be a rubric in the RC church to the effect that the bishop's permission was required for an electronic bell OR an electronic organ; = both were "tolerated in cases of real necessity" but were to be replaced with = the real thing as soon as possible. Wonder what ever happened to THAT?   St. Matthew's insists on real flowers, 100% beeswax candles, pure linen, natural unleavened bread, unfortified wine, etc. etc. etc., but it doesn't = seem to bother them that I'm playing a digital dumpster in the OTHER end of the church. Hmmm ... guess the Mass is still valid (grin).   Cheers,   Bud       > > When artificial > > acoutrements are brought into worship, i.e. plastic flowers, electric > > candles, recorded music and YES electrodigitoid instruments, the = reality > > of what is being done (worship) is eroded.   > > For some, perhaps. > > "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in = the > midst of them" (Matt. 18:20). >    
(back) Subject: Re: Christmas piano/organ duet music sought From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:44:47 EDT   In a message dated 99-10-23 14:23:23 EDT, Glenda writes:   << Do any of you have any suggestions of tasteful music for organ/piano = duet in print, so that I could quickly order same for the occasion? >> My favorite is "Venite Adoremus" by the late Robert Elmore, published by J =   Fischer. While the piano part takes a bit of work, and a neo-baroque = organ is inappropriate, this piece is attractive to listen to and fun to play. About 10 minutes long it is based on several carols and the piano and = organ together make quite an orchestral effect. Jerry in Seattle