PipeChat Digest #1054 - Friday, September 3, 1999
 
Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
In all fairness...(was Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l)
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com>
PLEASE READ Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
OOPS!
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Travelling Moller (Was Flame war....)
  by "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: OOPS!
  by "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com>
books from Solesmes (X-posted)
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Small home pipe organ?
  by "Michael Robertson" <mrobe@ibm.net>
Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Pasadena Moller
  by "Preston Wilson" <p.wilson2@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:21:53 EDT   Dear List,   I for one am very pleased with the way things are run HERE at Pipechat! After having subscribed to both Pipechat and Pipeorg-l I have noticed somethings worth mentioning:   At Pipechat there are genuine organist who support and help each other without the snide remarks and toilet humor prevalent on Pipeorg-l.   Pipechat is open to discussion about varied organ topics which are met = with positive response. Rather at pipeorg-l unless you are one of the "in favor =   few" whose ideas are "politically and organically" correct your ideas mean =   "squat"   At Pipechat - discussion is real - not a buch of Prissy Know it alls throwing around thier weight by waving thier doctorates certificates and hoods in the air!   Congratulations to The List Owners of Pipechat for offering a real organ chat/list place for real organists to talk with out getting flamed by = Organ Gods and Goddesses who play soooooooo good thier organ shoes have golden soles and dust in thier organ cases smells like potpori! (Tougue in = Cheek there!)   Again Thanks Pipechat!   The_Maitre   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: In all fairness...(was Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l) From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:57:53 -0600   >Dear List, >At Pipechat - discussion is real - not a buch of Prissy Know it alls >throwing around thier weight by waving thier doctorates certificates and >hoods in the air! What I've regretted most about PIPORG-L is their unwillingness to re-open old discussions or threads. If a topic (say, the possibility of using PVC for 32' Opens) has already come and gone, any new mention is met with a curt reproval suggesting that the poster visit the archives since the topic has already "been done". Even if the thread took place several years back, heaven forbid it should once again ever take up bandwidth. In all fairness though, there are a number of wonderful folks over there and (with the grave exception of the CrazyMIDIMAN fiasco a while back) I have almost always benefitted in some ways from participating. = The simple matter now is one of time. I can't do both, and Pipechat seems to give a better content/bandwith ratio.   Rob      
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: "Jerrell Kautz" <jkautz@ebicom.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:10:13 -0500   Thank you. I have noticed that the pompous over on Pipeorg-L are usually= the very ones who have no God-Given talent to begin with. The more civil= the are the better they are at being organists, as well.     A true organist can play a tracker, a Hammond, or even a WurlitZer theatre= organ without throwing a fit.   *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********   On 9/2/99 at 12:21 PM Erik Johnson wrote:   >Dear List, > >I for one am very pleased with the way things are run HERE at Pipechat! >After having subscribed to both Pipechat and Pipeorg-l I have noticed >somethings worth mentioning: > >At Pipechat there are genuine organist who support and help each other >without the snide remarks and toilet humor prevalent on Pipeorg-l. > >Pipechat is open to discussion about varied organ topics which are met= with >positive response. Rather at pipeorg-l unless you are one of the "in favor= >few" whose ideas are "politically and organically" correct your ideas mean= >"squat" > >At Pipechat - discussion is real - not a buch of Prissy Know it alls >throwing around thier weight by waving thier doctorates certificates and >hoods in the air! > >Congratulations to The List Owners of Pipechat for offering a real organ >chat/list place for real organists to talk with out getting flamed by= Organ >Gods and Goddesses who play soooooooo good thier organ shoes have golden >soles and dust in thier organ cases smells like potpori! (Tougue in= Cheek >there!) > >Again Thanks Pipechat! > >The_Maitre > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:48:37 -0400       As one who subscribes to both pipechat and piporg-l, I would like to think = that I have both a measure of God-Given talent and God-Given civility. The = ones who now are starting to "beat up" the piporg-l people are doing the very thing = that they are accusing the piporg-l people of doing. Subscribe to what you = like. Don't subscribe to what you don't like. It's pretty simple really.   Wayne Burcham       the pompous over on Pipeorg-L are usually the very ones who have no = God-Given talent to begin with.     > >At Pipechat there are genuine organist who support and help each other >without the snide remarks and toilet humor prevalent on Pipeorg-l. > >Pipechat is open to discussion about varied organ topics which are met = with >positive response. Rather at pipeorg-l unless you are one of the "in = favor >few" whose ideas are "politically and organically" correct your ideas = mean >"squat" > >At Pipechat - discussion is real - not a buch of Prissy Know it alls >throwing around thier weight by waving thier doctorates certificates and >hoods in the air!        
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:00:40 -0500   Folks   As much as I am happy to see the support of the members of this list over Pete's and my policies and to see that several of you feel this is a more "civil" list than the one in question, I really don't feel that this is an appropriate topic for discussion on this list.   As long as mailing lists have existed on the Internet there have always been topics of contention that turn into a "flame war" and there are always "good" people that have been hurt and ended up leaving the list. I, for one, always hates to see that happen because the person that left might just happen to have an answer to a question that I have asked on the list.   We may not always agree with each other but I HOPE that each of us on this list RESPECTS that their viewpoint may not always be the same as someone else's. And each person's viewpoint, while not maybe the most suitable one in many circumstances, might just be VERY appropriate in that person's situation. I hope that we can all respect that fact.   I do have to say that I am very taken back by a couple of comments about the talent or the lack thereof regarding members of the other list. Some of us on these lists, and I am including all the organ lists that I know of - which are several, have met other list members and have an idea of what their capabilities are. But MANY of us have not ever met many of the others on the lists. I don't see how any of us can comment about the God-given talents of another person that we have never met or heard in person. That to me equates to back-biting gossip.   Now I hope that we can get back to PipeChatting - discussing organs whether they be pipe or digital, classical or theatre, and even reed organs! And organ music. And I hope that we do it with respect for each other and with some humor.   David **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:02:16 -0700   I would LOVE to play a well-appointed WurliTzer every Sunday ... Vierne = was out of this WORLD on the big one that used to be in Organ Power Pizza = in San Diego!   Cheers,   Bud   Jerrell Kautz wrote:   > Thank you. I have noticed that the pompous over on Pipeorg-L are = usually the very ones who have no God-Given talent to begin with. The = more civil the are the better they are at being organists, as well. > > A true organist can play a tracker, a Hammond, or even a WurlitZer = theatre organ without throwing a fit. > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 9/2/99 at 12:21 PM Erik Johnson wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I for one am very pleased with the way things are run HERE at Pipechat! > >After having subscribed to both Pipechat and Pipeorg-l I have noticed > >somethings worth mentioning: > > > >At Pipechat there are genuine organist who support and help each other > >without the snide remarks and toilet humor prevalent on Pipeorg-l. > > > >Pipechat is open to discussion about varied organ topics which are met = with > >positive response. Rather at pipeorg-l unless you are one of the "in = favor > >few" whose ideas are "politically and organically" correct your ideas = mean > >"squat" > > > >At Pipechat - discussion is real - not a buch of Prissy Know it alls > >throwing around thier weight by waving thier doctorates certificates = and > >hoods in the air! > > > >Congratulations to The List Owners of Pipechat for offering a real = organ > >chat/list place for real organists to talk with out getting flamed by = Organ > >Gods and Goddesses who play soooooooo good thier organ shoes have = golden > >soles and dust in thier organ cases smells like potpori! (Tougue in = Cheek > >there!) > > > >Again Thanks Pipechat! > > > >The_Maitre > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: OOPS! From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:03:27 -0700   That was the famous "Travelling Moller", not a WurliTzer ... whatever .... Vierne still sounded out of this world on it (grin)!   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:23:01 EDT   In a message dated 99-09-02 17:06:04 EDT, you write:   << Vierne was out of this WORLD on the big one that used to be in Organ = Power Pizza in San Diego! >> Vierne played in a pizza parlor? When was that?  
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:33:52 -0700   As I recall, there was at least one classical or semi-classical concert = there ... but this was a very unusual organ ... there's a description (website?) = somewhere .... maybe the theatre organ people can fill in the blanks. It was a large four-manual PORTABLE Moller ... since moved to a civic auditorium = somewhere up around me (Orange County/Los Angeles).   Cheers,   Bud   DudelK@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 99-09-02 17:06:04 EDT, you write: > > << Vierne was out of this WORLD on the big one that used to be in Organ = Power > Pizza in San Diego! > >> > Vierne played in a pizza parlor? When was that? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Travelling Moller (Was Flame war....) From: "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk> Date: 2 Sep 99 23:07:47 +0100   > As I recall, there was at least one classical or semi-classical concert = there ... > but this was a very unusual organ ... there's a description (website?) = somewhere > ... maybe the theatre organ people can fill in the blanks. It was a = large > four-manual PORTABLE Moller ... since moved to a civic auditorium = somewhere up > around me (Orange County/Los Angeles). > I think you are referring to the five manual travelling Moller that spent the first years of its life in the UK played by Reginald Forte.   Early in the WW II the BBC's theatre organ (a Compton) was bombed and Forte sold them the Moller. In the 60's it went to Holland, and more recently it has found a home back in the US of A.   John   -- John Winn   Upminster, England  
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:36:08 -0700   At 02:33 PM 9/2/1999 -0700, you wrote: >It was a large four-manual PORTABLE Moller ... since moved to a civic >auditorium somewhere up around me (Orange County/Los Angeles).<snip>   The Reggie Foort/BBC M=F6ller was shoehorned into existing chambers in the Pasadena Civic Auditorium by Dave Junchen. I seem to remember this happening around 1981(?). It tweaked me somewhat that funds were raised for this enterprise by parting out the large Austin in the old Philharmonic Auditorium in downtown LA, as was reported some time ago on this list. I worked across the street from the Philharmonic for years at the Pacific Telephone complex on Grand Ave., and got to play the Austin on several ocassions. It was indeed a formidable example of a symphonic Austin.   The permanent installation of the big M=F6ller was a worthwhile venture, although I think the Austin would have made a great "municipal" organ. Austins being what they are, however, with their universal windchests, don't lend themselves easily to installation in cramped chambers. I heard one of the opening recitals on the M=F6ller by Lyn Larsen, and, even though I've heard that this organ is literally *crammed* into chambers more suited for a Style 260 or smaller, the organ does indeed speak with authority! I don't think Louis Vierne ever played it, however....:)   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: OOPS! From: "jchabermaas" <opus1100@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:42:55 -0500   Dave Wickerhma regularly plays the "Toccata" from the 5th and T&F in dmin = on the Organ Piper....I'm sure that Vierne would probably sound just as well on that organ. Maybe because it started out as a Moller (hehe)   Jon >      
(back) Subject: books from Solesmes (X-posted) From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:05:13 -0700   It finally occurred to me to look up the website of l'abbaye Saint-Pierre de Solesmes ... they have indeed published a new Hymnarium (containing all the Office Hymns of the new Latin Breviary) and a Latin Altar Missal (for the Novus Ordo) with all the celebrant's chants included. The site is:   http://www.solesmes.com/anglais/ang_solesmes.html   Unlike former years, they were nice enough to include an ENGLISH version of the website (grin). They used to answer my English letters in VERY haughty French (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Small home pipe organ? From: Michael Robertson <mrobe@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:48:06 -0400   Thanks, Mark. Will do.   Michael Robertson   HensonMark@aol.com wrote:   > Michael, > > Take a look at the following web sites: > > Church Organ Trader - www.tunertech.com > > Theatre Organ Home Page - http://barton.theatreorgans.com/AdSearch.ASP > yes, it has all kinds of organs, not just theatre. > > Henson Markham > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Flame war at Pipeorg-l From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:34:28 -0400 (EDT)   Friends, I belong to Piporg-L and enjoy it. I belong (is that the word?) here and REALLY enjoy it. I benefit from both. Do we have to bring the dirty laundry from THERE over to HERE? Just my venting, don't mind me. --Neil Barnegat, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Pasadena Moller From: Preston Wilson <p.wilson2@juno.com> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:59:51 -0700       On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:36:08 -0700 Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> writes: > At 02:33 PM 9/2/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >It was a large four-manual PORTABLE Moller ... since moved to a > civic>auditorium somewhere up around me (Orange County/Los Angeles).<snip> > > The Reggie Foort/BBC M=F6ller was shoehorned into existing chambers in > the Pasadena Civic Auditorium by Dave Junchen.   **snip**   > I don't think Louis Vierne ever played it, however....:) > > DeserTBoB > Sure he did! It was the day he had lunch with Padre Serra, Alonzo Horton, and Bud!! ;-)   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com   ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.