PipeChat Digest #1062 - Monday, September 6, 1999
 
CCCB website
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: divided chancel controversy
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Amens on hymns..............
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: OHS convention in Montreal
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Churches to see while in Montreal
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: HELP! "Iste Confessor" (X-posted)
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Churches to see while in Montreal
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Amens on hymns..............
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Lots of verses (longish)
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: A-mens
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Music List: First UMC Toms River
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Anglican delicacies for High Tea (grin)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: CCCB website From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:58:09 EDT   Greetings,   if anyone wants the address for the Canadian Conference on Catholic Bishops' website, it's   http://www.cccb.ca/   there's a lot of good stuff there.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: divided chancel controversy From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:59:57 -0400   At 11:17 PM 9/5/99 -0700, Randy Runyon wrote: > >You've inspired me, by the way, to seek out neglected old hymns, just to >bring a tear of recognition in some older person's eye. They deserve to >hear them again. > >Lesbia's delightful hymn, I think, is making a comeback. It's in the new >Presbyterian hymnal (1991). I doubt "From Greenland's Icy Mountains" = ever >will, though.   "I sing a song of the saints of God" was on the hit list when the editors of the _Hymnal 1982_ presented it to the General Convention for approval. It was put back into the Hymnal by acclamation. I admit it's a little too cute in places, but it's part of my childhood and I'd hate to see it go.   I even have a cross-stitch pattern for the last half of the last verse, with pictures of children in school, on lanes, in a boat, etc. It's my default baby gift (little light just went off over my head as I remembered dilemma about baby shawl I never finished and the kid's almost a year = old).   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Amens on hymns.............. From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:12:55 -0500   Randolph Runyon wrote:   > ...< quoting Alan Freed, snipped>Which reminds me of another question. = Why > isn't it "Built on the Rock"?   and going on to say   > Actually, it is "Built on _the_ Rock" in the two hymnals that come to = hand > here, _The Hymnbook_ for the Presbyterian Church in the United States > (1955), and _The Worshipbook_ for the Pres. Ch. in the U.S. (1972). It > seems to be disappearing from hymnals, though, as it's in neither the > U.C.C. _New Century Hymnal_ nor in the new _Presbyterian Hymnal_ (1990). > > Is it on _a_ rock for sure in your hymal?   The original text is from the Danish, written by the poet-pastor, N. F. S. Grundvig. It is, in fact "Built on a Rock" in the *Service Book and = Hymnal* (1956), and the Lutheran Book of Worship (1978); it is "Built on the Rock" = in Lutheran Worship.   Uncertain what the best rendering of the original Danish would be; the translator in all cases is Carl Doving, but in each case, there is the indication that the text has been altered.   > > > The amens I've seen for it bring it into the major key. But I guess = that's > not why you like an amen on it. > > Randy Runyon > organist, Immanuel Presbyterian, Cincinnati > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: OHS convention in Montreal From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 00:41:18 EDT   In a message dated 9/5/99 10:37:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, concert_organist@hotmail.com writes:   << there are some very well trained organists up here and it's a shame that the ones that did play in concert were not the "cream = of the crop". I know every big-name organist here in Montreal, and let me = tell you, some, if not most of them are able to play from the classical repertoire with great ease >>   This is a very interesting comment, and gives the impression that the convention planners missed some of the "cream of the crop." Tell us, Mr. Concert Organist, just who these are. For your convenience, here is a list = of those we did hear, in the order in which we heard them:   Sylvie Poirier & Philip Crozier Rejean Poirier Mireille Lagace Lucienne & Gaston Arel Yves Prefontaine Marc-Andre Doran Danielle Dube Aline Letendre Luc Beausejour Pierre Grandmaison Ken Cowan Catherine Todorovski Monique Gendron Bridget Chatterley Margaret De Castro Thomas Annand Benjamin Waterhouse John Grew Raymond Daveluy Rachel Laurin Bernard Lagace Helene Dugal Jean-Guy Proulx Denis Bedard Michelle Quintal Christopher Jackson Alan Reesor Jaques Boucher Regis Rousseau Dom Andre Laberge Jean Le Buis Richard Pare Patrick Wedd   While these are all Canadian players, they are not all from Montreal, but most of them are.   Because of the pressure of other editorial work right now, my reports of = the OHS in Montreal have been slow in coming - four done, three to go. Last = year, with permission, I cross-posted them to both lists, but having been really =   offended by a sudden rash of ill-informed and open hostility toward = PipOrg-L expressed on this list, I have posted only there.   Malcolm Wechsler  
(back) Subject: Re: Churches to see while in Montreal From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:53:13 -0700   Carlo - doesn't Bernard Lagace still play at Mary, Queen of Hearts (sorry, can't spell the French)?   Cheers,   Bud   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > Greetings, > > the next time any of you are up here in Montreal, here's = a > list of parishes whose music programs are out of this world, meaning = great > organists/instrumentalists and lots of singing: > St. Patrick's Basilica > St. Willibrord's > Resurrection Of Our Lord (my home-church) > St. Gabriel's > St. Monica's > St. Malachy's > St. Ignatius of Loyola > Annunciation Of Our Lady > St. Augustine's > St. Edmond of Canterbury > > .....there are others, but these have top-notch music programs. > > Carlo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: HELP! "Iste Confessor" (X-posted) From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:54:47 -0700   Well, DUH, Sparky (grin)! I just found it ... I knew I had it, but I = didn't associate it with "Only-begotten Word of God eternal" ... thanks, Evie!   Cheers,   Bud   Evelyn Rowe wrote:   > It's in the _Hymnal 1940_ at 228(1) with different words. I don't have = fax > capabilities, but if you don't have that hymnal at your disposal I can > always copy it and snail-mail it. > > Evie > > At 05:29 PM 9/5/99 -0700, Bud wrote: > >I can't find the alternative mode EIGHT tune to "Iste Confessor" ... I > >ALMOST have it memorized, but not QUITE. If anybody has it, my fax > >number is 949-650-9541. > > > >It starts: > > > >I - ste Con - fes - sor, Do - mi - ni co - len > >- tes, etc. > >g-a-g e f g g a f a > >c b-a g > > > >It's probably the tune for Mattins, because I can't find any of my > >Mattins books (grin). St. Edward, King and Confessor is coming up next > >month ... > > > >Cheers, > > > >Bud > > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Churches to see while in Montreal From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:58:32 EDT   Bud & list,   wow, I'm 29 and I've only ever known Helen Dugal as the organist at Mary Queen of the World. Right now he's at Imaculate = Conception, playing a Rudolph Von Becerath (I think)   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Amens on hymns.............. From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:03:51 -0400 (EDT)   When Amens are sung w/ purpose and dignity, they can be beautiful. But nothing, to me, is worse than the typical perfunctory style of so many amens these days. In some places, the amen is the music to put the hymnal away with, which really galls me to know end.   Our hymnal (United Meth) does not print too many, but I will add one if the Spirit leads (I truly mean that). If the hymn is quite logically a prayer (i.e., addressed directly to the Lord) or if it is a majestic doxological type (as has been mentioned already) then I will consider doing an "amen".   I have worked out a signal w/ the choir, so they know to anticipate it. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Lots of verses (longish) From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT)   Erik and Friends, I was brought up in the Baptist tradition where it was in fact tradition NOT to sing all verses -- we were quite pompous in doing so, had to have time for the sermon you know. But, it just wasn't good. It's like getting only part of the story--or the punchline of the joke without the joke having been told. Fortunately, since I have been liberated from those roots (so to speak), in most all of my posts, including my present one, we sing all verses to all hymns (however, we don't sing all 17 verses to O For a Thousand Tongues to Sing). There are of course exceptions, like when we put together hymn medleys and such. I like having lots of stanzas, Erik. It gives me a challenge to bring those repetitions to life. I will however reveal to you all one of the formulas I use, especially if the hymn is a sturdy and robust one. Anything over 4 stanzas, in my mind, demands a modulation, usually. Very often what I will do, is lower the hymn so that when we get to final stanza, I can then play it in the key as written in hymnal. So here's the formula for hymn written in D: Intro and stanzas 1 and 2 in C, stanzas 3 and 4 in D-flat, improvised modulating transition to 5th stanza in D. For 6 verses, I put Intro, st. 1-3 in lowest key, then 4-5 next half-step, then 6 next half step. Enough for now. I could go on and on. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: A-mens From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT)   A question for you: In the final stanza of "Praise to the Lord the Almighty", are the words, "Let the amen sound from his people again, gladly forever adore thee." Even though an amen is not written in our hymnal, I attach one, because of the words above. Anyone else do that? just curious. Neil.   I love this thread.    
(back) Subject: Music List: First UMC Toms River From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 02:12:42 -0400 (EDT)   Sunday, Sept. 5, 1999, 15th Sun after Pentecost   FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH Toms River, New Jersey, USA Rev. Bruce Quigley, Senior Pastor Neil Brown, Minister of Music/Organist   Hymn Sing (final installment)- --Precious Lord, Take My Hand (spiritual) --My Hope Is Built (Solid Rock) --Rock of Ages --This Is My Song (Finlandia) --Nearer, My God, to Thee   Hymns during the service- --When Morning Gilds the Skies (Laudes Domini) --The Gift of Love (Gift of Love) --Where Cherity and Love Prevail (St Peter)   Choir (at 8:30 service)- Choral Worship- "God So Loved the World" (Stainer) Offertory - "Lauda Anima" (M. Andrews)   Prayer Response (new for Sept)- "Praise the Name of Jesus" (Contemporary Song)   Offertory at 11:00- Finale from Sonata VI (Mendelssohn)   Communion music - I played selected tunes relating to pastor's sermon topic about church unity in God's love)   Postlude- Improv on Laudes Domini   It was good to have full choir back for 8:30 service. They sang so beautifully. Someone had ordered flowers in honor of the choir's return, which was thoughtful.   For the opening hymn (When Morning Gilds..), I did an extended intro intended to suggest the first lights of dawn in the morning darkness. That was a spur of the moment thing at 8:30, but fortunately it worked nicely, so I repeated at the 11:00 service. This is one of my favorite hymns, so I always do it up big when we sing it. Postlude was similar in style, but different improv altogether.   Have a great week. Peace. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican delicacies for High Tea (grin) From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:27:24 -0700   At 06:34 PM 9/5/1999 -0700, you wrote: >What a HOOT! There's one old sister who DEMANDS that we sing "Remember = >All the Children" whenever she comes to Evensong, appropriate or not. So the >first summer I taught Vacation Bible School, I taught it to the kids, complete >with appropriate motions, and they sang it for her ... she was THRILLED! > So THIS is Anglican High Tea, eh?   Do they have millet and sunflower seeds, as well as crumpets, at the ready in this shopping center, too???   nyuk nyuk!   dB