PipeChat Digest #1065 - Tuesday, September 7, 1999
 
Re: New Century Hymnal
  by <douglas@blackiris.com>
Re: Lots of verses
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: RC organists
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Lots of verses
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: divided chancel controversy
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Lots of verses (longish)
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Lots of verses
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: decorum and directing in a chancel situation
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: RC organists
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
RE: Hymn Registration Alternation
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Hymn Registration Alternation
  by <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: OHS convention in Montreal
  by <CharlesHTu@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Hymn Registration Alternation
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: New Century Hymnal From: douglas@blackiris.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:22:08 -0500   Thanks Shirley. I realize the NCH is certainly not for most congregations, =   but for a church that serves and welcomes people of all denominations, backgrounds, races and persuations and has a special mission to the disenfranchised, abused and dissillusioned it has fulfilled our needs = well. It's hard for a disillusioned gay person or abused single mother to come to church and sing about "Master" and "Submission" in a worshipful way. Inclusive language has it's place and can be just as valid and contribute = to meaningful worship as some of our most beloved hymn texts and if it makes people confortable so they will come and worship together then I feel it = is certainly justified and shouldn't be put down.   > As much as I dislike that book, I have to agree with you here, up to a > point. On hymns which have been rewritten, *some* of the lyrics are > inspiring.     *********************** Douglas McMurry email: <douglas@blackiris.com>      
(back) Subject: Re: Lots of verses From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:23:57 -0400 (EDT)   continuing on 8 verses:   --Also, the melody in octaves is nice for some tunes. --Don't forget pedal point-especially nice on sturdy hymns. Plop your left foot on the pedal and play until it doesn't sound good anymore, which usually for me means using passing tones to get to the next pedal point. --acapella singing is a wonderful alternative, if the hymn supports it. Plan ahead, have the choir sing a verse alone, have the organ play alone on a verse, while every1 "reads" it silently. --don't forget the ever important soprano descant on the last stanza--can often be the alto or tenor up in the soprano octave. --bring in your instrumentalists to play along. --of course, my rule, anything over 4 verses demands modulation of some sort, text permitting.   --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: RC organists From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:28:10 EDT     > priests used the entrance and recessional hymns as "travellin' > music"!     As somebody once told me "Typical Catholics, they always like to march = around the church to music!" That is so true. I believe that nobody should be running a marathon to the door until the CLOSING hymn is sung, then they = can run out the doors when I start my postlude (if it is that bad!) At this point I don't bother to play more than two versus of hymns, because by the time the third starts, the church is literally empty, I'm = not stretching the truth! I would say that my job isn't as dangerous as the priests. I have an idea, lets just use hymns instead of fire alarms! Just = think of it, your favorite hymn sounds out of a speaker that is below a strobe light, can't you just see all the people running for the doors? Just instinct I guess.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Lots of verses From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:38:06 -0400 (EDT)   >>In short, we're singing at a higher pitch, but don't intellectually know it--but the subliminal (literally) effect is still there. Is this correct?<<   Alan, in all honesty, I don't know if I can answer this properly. Because I don't know if the people KNOW that I've moved it higher or if they just know something is different. Since I don't have a "normal ear" I cannot truthfully say what the normal ear hears (I mean that sincerely and not condescendingly in any way). My music readers certainly know I've modulated, because they often tell me they have trouble singing what's on the printed page. I've done it enough at church that the folks are usually ready for me to tear off into an interlude, and they know it brings an "uplift" to the hymn and I'm fairly certain they don't actually know why it works. But what a thrill for me, when the congreg really sings out with their joyous and robust tone on the final stanzas because in some way I've enabled them to do so--it's goose-pimply, let me tell ya. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: divided chancel controversy From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:48:00 -0400 (EDT)   From a choir director's point of view, at least in the Methodist tradition, I HATE divided chancels. I cannot be in the middle when I'm playing organ, the choir cannot hear each other across the great divide, carpet in the center soaks up all of the reverb in the chancel, and we don't sing that much antiphonal stuff anyway. Not to mention, in our wonderful church (I mean that sincerely) the great divide has caused more divide between worship and music than I care to mention. Poinsettias and easter flowers ALWAYS take precedence over the program and the liturgy. Whoever decided we needed divided chancels should have been sawn and quartered, right alongside the guy who decided that in NJ we would not do left turns without going through the intersection a minimum of 2 times--aka jughandles in our fair state. Probably a bit harsh, but my opinion, nonetheless. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Lots of verses (longish) From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:52:54 -0400 (EDT)   I've done that Bruce, particularly if the text warrants.   >>Also, lowering the final stanza of a hymn... does not always lead to depression!<<   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Lots of verses From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:59:42 -0400 (EDT)   Omigosh! How could I forget not playing and waving my arms at the choir for a stanza. Its good exercise for me and the congegation loves to sing a capella.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   When a man's dog turns against him it is time for his wife to pack her trunk and go home to mama. -- Mark Twain    
(back) Subject: Re: decorum and directing in a chancel situation From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:07:10 -0400 (EDT)   About minimal movements in the chancel:   Bud, a very worthy goal to attain. And yet, part of the role of conductor is to communicate w/ hands what the congreg/audience should hear. So, while "less is definitely more" in terms of excessive movements, the conductor can give a visual element to an otherwise aural experience. That should not translate into the "maestro" syndrome (at least not always). If it's done in an attitude of worship and yes decorum, it should not inhibit worship. My 2 cents worth. --Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: RC organists From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:40:23 -0400 (EDT)   I'm sorry, but Catholics are wonderful folks, but leaving before the end of the hymn is just plain RUDE. They do it here in NJ too. To the non-catholic, it looks like they're just doing their time, rather than enjoying the presence of the Lord. What is the gall-dern hurry anyway? Now, that's done. Methodists can't stand to walk around without music either. The ushers need their quiet walking music, the children need theirs to get to and from children's message, etc. etc. When I first came, I had to play soft meditative things for just a few seconds. Can't the folks pray in silence? They do now, thankfully. With our new pastor and new format, the choir comes in during the prelude (I don't like it much), instead of during first hymn. The hymn can stand on its own, not provide moving music for the parade. For recessional hymn, though, my choir splits and goes down sides, remains in sanctuary until postlude begins. This way, the sound stays in the sanctuary. --Neil    
(back) Subject: RE: Hymn Registration Alternation From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:31:55 -0400 (EDT)     >I think we will all admit, (at least those of us > with pistons) that we have standard > registrations and add/subtract from there. When I was studying at Christ Church Cathedral - Houston TX, William Barnard showed me how to set the organ up from p to ff on divisional pistons 1-8, and generals 1-6 (7 and 8 were changed weekly for voluntaries) for accompanying hymns, canticles and anthems. I can still use this system and set up a large instrument in about ten minutes. He taught me to use these same setting for recital use, so that I was not at the mercy of recital by recital notes. It is very handy, in that I always know on which piston the swell reeds can be found, etc. My console is set up this way now, but in edited form since there are fewer pistons. I use them occasionally just to keep the machinery working and to keep the skill sharpened. It's almost as much fun as drawing stops manually.... but not quite.   >I have always follwed the Great Master Bach > when he said, "Play the Words" - but again > we must ask ourselves how much is too > much? Also follow the example of the Master by being subtle and artistic in your registrations as he was subtle and artistic in his writing.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   When a man's dog turns against him it is time for his wife to pack her trunk and go home to mama. -- Mark Twain    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Registration Alternation From: thoehn@theatreorgans.com Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 01:02:20 -0400     Bruce -   would you care to elaborate on the method you speak of here??   Enquiring minds want to know...   tom bruce cornely wrote:   > > showed me how to set the organ up from p to ff on divisional > pistons 1-8, and generals 1-6 (7 and 8 were changed weekly for > voluntaries) for accompanying hymns, canticles and anthems. I can > still use this system and set up a large instrument in about ten > minutes. He taught me to use these same setting for recital use, so > that I was not at the mercy of recital by recital notes. It is very > handy, in that I always know on which piston the swell reeds can be > found, etc.      
(back) Subject: Re: OHS convention in Montreal From: CharlesHTu@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:30:47 EDT   Dear Carlo, I attended the OHS convention and heard brilliant organ playing in the=20 concerts--there was not a poor concert among all I heard but the hymn playin= g=20 was vvveeerrryyy ssslllooowww!! ( Even for live acoustics the tempi were=20 far too slow.) The convention was very well planned and executed and I can=20 only commend all the Montr=E9al organists for their playing, hospitality and=20 efficiency. I'd love to go back! Charles Tucker Past Dean Pensacola Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 01:27:18 EDT   Malcolm & list,   I want to clarify some things that were said about me by Malcolm.   1) I never had a fight about anything with Raymond Daveluy. I don't know where you got this from, but it wasn't from me.   2) courage to write back to the list???? Please!!!   I don't have to defend myself to anyone. If I knew that what I said to Malcolm was going to be spread everywhere, I would have really souped it up...*smile*. I guess I'll never trust him again....   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Registration Alternation From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 23:09:30 -0700   Sounds very similar to mine:   SWELL   1 - vox celeste 2 - 8' foundations 3 - 8-4 foundations 4 - Full Swell to Mixture(s) 5 - Full Swell to Reeds   If I have more pistons, the vox humana goes on one and 8' foundations + Oboe goes on another.   GREAT   1 - Gemshorn, Dulciana, whatever 2 - plus Violoncello (if there is one) and (open) Flute, possibly 8' principal 3 - 8-4 foundations 4 - Full Great to Mixture(s) 5 - Full Great to Reeds   CHOIR   1 - unda maris, whatever 2 - 8' foundations 3 - 8-4 foundations 4 - Full Choir to Mixture(s) 5 - Full Choir to Reeds   if there are more pistons, the Sesquialtera on one and the Clarinet/Cromorne on another. If I'm REALLY blest, the TUBA on another (grin).   PEDAL   1 - soft 16-8 2 - medium 16-8 3 - foundations 16-8-(4) 4 - Full Pedal to Mixture 5 - Full Pedal to Reeds, minus the 32' (if it's on a toe-stud)   That pretty much covers my needs for service-playing, accompanying, and improvisation, leaving the generals free for voluntaries, etc.   Cheers,   Bud         thoehn@theatreorgans.com wrote:   > Bruce - > > would you care to elaborate on the method you speak of here?? > > Enquiring minds want to know... > > tom > bruce cornely wrote: > > > > > showed me how to set the organ up from p to ff on divisional > > pistons 1-8, and generals 1-6 (7 and 8 were changed weekly for > > voluntaries) for accompanying hymns, canticles and anthems. I can > > still use this system and set up a large instrument in about ten > > minutes. He taught me to use these same setting for recital use, so > > that I was not at the mercy of recital by recital notes. It is very > > handy, in that I always know on which piston the swell reeds can be > > found, etc. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org