PipeChat Digest #1066 - Tuesday, September 7, 1999
 
Re: RC organists
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Feminist Theology
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Some real issues (was Amens on Hymns)
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: Amens on hymns..............
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
Re: divided chancel controversy
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Ite, missa est--GO!
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Great recessionals
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Fwd: Old organ
  by "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com>
Widor Toccata with a difference
  by <steve@open-tech.com>
Re: Transposing software
  by "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Divisional setup (was Re: Hymn Registration Alternation)
  by "Robert Horton" <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU>
Re: Ite, missa est--GO!
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: RC organists From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:12:47 -0400 (EDT)   > leaving before the end of the hymn is just > plain RUDE. >With our new pastor and new format, the choir > comes in during the prelude You have a new format?? Is that like a deacon? Oh, hehehe, you said FORMAT, not floormat! ;-) My choir and I enter together before worship, if the choir is going to sing as part of the prelude they remain standing, if not I seat them. This says "worship is beginning" and the congregation usually quiets. The ministers come in on their own and sit during the prelude, sometimes they are in place before we are.   > The hymn can stand on its own, not provide > moving music for the parade. One of the problems with RC's and hymns and others and liturgical movement, including processions in and out, is that there is no longer instruction as to what function these acts fulfill. It is not just "getting from one place to another". Choir have entered the quire silently or during the prelude for hundreds of years. Processions are for festivals, much as I love them, and it detracts from their festivity and solemnity when they are over used. Clergy should remain in the front of the nave until after the benediction. The concluding hymn should precede the benediction as it is still part of the worship experience and the choir should remain in its place of leadership. Our clergy move to the West door during the choral response to the benediction, and the choir remains in place, usually through the postlude.   >=A0=A0Methodists can't stand to walk around without > music either. The ushers need their quiet > walking music, the children need theirs to get > to and from children's message, etc. etc. I don't have a problem with "traveling music." It provides a thread which knits the service together. Music during a spoken prayer actually draws attention to the spoken word IMHO.   Bruce & the Baskerbeagles ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~   When a man's dog turns against him it is time for his wife to pack her trunk and go home to mama. -- Mark Twain    
(back) Subject: Re: Feminist Theology From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:39:00 -0400   Since this subject came up and I, the most objective of commenters, of course, am of several minds on the subject, let me share a quotation from St. Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 150-212) I came across last week.   "What further need has God of the mysteries of love? And then thou shalt look into the bosm of the Father, whom God the only-begotten Son alone = hath declared. And God Himself is love; and out of love to us became feminine. In his ineffable essence He is Father; in His compassion to us He became Mother. The Fther by loving became feminine: and the great proof of this is He whom He begot of Himself; and the fruit brought forth by love is love."   Quoted in Instruments of Thy Love, by Alan Paton, p. 104. (Seabury Press, 1968).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Some real issues (was Amens on Hymns) From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:17:32 EDT   In a message dated 09/06/1999 7:12:35 PM Central Daylight Time, the_maitre@hotmail.com writes:   << hates anything that makes him look unimportant (good music), wishes I only played 2 verses, ad libs thru the whole Mass = - adding- bantering - yada yada yada, >> Fr. L sounds like our pastor. I call her chatty Cathy. She does seem to love the sound of her own voice. One of the first things she did when she =   arrived was send the choir packing during the offering so they wouldn't be =   behind her during the service. The way she said it led me to believe she didn't want to share the spotlight. About half the choir put on their = coats and left the building. Serves her right. That lasted about 2 years, but = she finally lost the battle and the choir remains (when we can scare up enough =   people to have one). She managed to offend several of our best singers = right away and they went to another church. But her heightened state of holiness allows her to do this. I'm starting = to get sarcastic, so I'd better shut up. Maynard  
(back) Subject: Re: Amens on hymns.............. From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:17:50 EDT   In a message dated 09/06/1999 3:25:33 PM Central Daylight Time, = pnst@snip.net writes:   << Just possibly that hymnal may consider the a-MEN too sexist! >> Anyone find it amazing that we're still allowed to call them "hymns"? Maynard Not so much puritan as purist  
(back) Subject: Re: divided chancel controversy From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:18:05 -0400   Neil, I can't remember when you haven't made good sense.   Alan   ---------- >From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown)   > Probably a bit harsh, but my opinion, nonetheless.  
(back) Subject: Re: Ite, missa est--GO! From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:25:44 -0400   In the Roman rite, don't they have a little deacon's Dismissal thingy?--something like "Go in peace; serve the Lord"? If so, just save = it until you want the folks to leave (even if after hymns, recessionals, = etc.), and surely they'll stay until they're dismissed! (It works for = Lutherans.)   Alan   ---------- >From: Prestant16@aol.com   > I believe that nobody should be > running a marathon to the door until the CLOSING hymn is sung, then they = can > run out the doors when I start my postlude (if it is that bad!)  
(back) Subject: Re: Great recessionals From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:31:58 -0400   Oh, ain't it the truth! Sometimes I can't even bow as the cross comes = past my pew because I'm practically on the floor in tears already (if it's the right hymn).   Alan   ---------- >From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown)   > But what a thrill for me, when the congreg really sings out with their > joyous and robust tone on the final stanzas because in some way I've > enabled them to do so--it's goose-pimply, let me tell ya.  
(back) Subject: Fwd: Old organ From: "Steven Margison" <steve@organman.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:23:45 -0500   I am forwarding this request to the list. If anyone can offer advice on where to get this instrument restored, you can reply to the list or to the original sender. I will forward replies to the list to Susan. Thank you.     *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********   On 9/7/1999, at 10:13 AM, <Susan.Stepan@andrew.com> wrote:   Hi Steve: I have an old organ in need of work. Here are the details:   Mason & Hamlin reed organ style 4401. I have the 5-year warranty and = patent label information. The warranty identifies it as #229713 from March 2, 1907.   It has two foot pedals to pump air into it and a single row of keys and about a dozen knobs to change the tune of the keys. It is way out of tune and it sounds like those buttons aren't working properly since the tones aren't very good. The foot pedals don't pump much air, either. Someone = once told me it would need new bellows. I would like to have it repaired if someone can do this. But, of course, I would need some idea of what it would cost.   *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********     >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Margison >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.organman.com >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A "Family Friendly" Website    
(back) Subject: Widor Toccata with a difference From: steve@open-tech.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:24:58 -0500   I found this on MP3.com and thought some might find it interesting. I'd have posted this to PIPORG-L just to watch the fur fly, but I've unsubscribed. http://www.mp3.com/artists/0/galbatron.html Scroll down a ways to find the Widor Toccata, for what it is it's quite = well done.   Cheers, Steve Chandler (playing the role of rabble rouser today) To hear my original music go to www.mp3.com/stevechandler    
(back) Subject: Re: Transposing software From: "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:11:52 -0500   > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3019551112_1024768_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit       Greetings to all!   Could someone please give me a hint where I can buy scanner software being able to transpose musical pieces? I know that such software exists but unfortunately, I have no idea where to look for it.   I should mention that I am using an Apple computer (i-mac).   Many thanks for helping!   Gertraud Stiskal (Vienna/Austria)   Thank goodness you're on a Mac, the music platform of choice for professionals. To scan music and then be able to edit , transpose, etc., = try SmartScore from Musitek Corp. You can get a demo at <www.smartscore.com>   Best of luck, Russ Greene Winnipeg, Canada   --MS_Mac_OE_3019551112_1024768_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Transposing software</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D3D"#FFFFFF"> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Greetings to all!<BR> <BR> Could someone please give me a hint where I can buy scanner software<BR> being able to transpose musical pieces? I know that such software = exists<BR=3D > but unfortunately, I have no idea where to look for it.<BR> <BR> I should mention that I am using an Apple computer (i-mac).<BR> <BR> Many thanks for helping!<BR> <BR> Gertraud Stiskal<BR> (Vienna/Austria)<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank goodness you're on a Mac, the music = platfor=3D m of choice for professionals. To scan music and then be able to edit , = tran=3D spose, etc., try SmartScore from Musitek Corp. You can get a demo at = &lt;www=3D ..smartscore.com&gt;<BR> <BR> Best of luck,<BR> Russ Greene<BR> Winnipeg, Canada<BR> </BODY> </HTML>   --MS_Mac_OE_3019551112_1024768_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Divisional setup (was Re: Hymn Registration Alternation) From: Robert Horton <GEMSHORN@UKANS.EDU> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:07:50 -0600   >Sounds very similar to mine:   Bud,   No arguments here, except for the following minor point   GREAT (divisional setup) .... >4 - Full Great to Mixture(s) >5 - Full Great to Reeds   I've always found it more successful to bring the mixtures on after the reeds. Most North American mixtures sound like a stuck pig, but without any of the subtle refinement and delicacy one finds at a hog slaughter. Better to bring on the reeds first IMHO...I believe this is = how German Romantics (and by extension, the American Romantics) handled it as well.   Of course, all this seems to be a moot point nowadays. Organ students everywhere are addicted to a glut of generals, memory levels, and sequencers. I feel like an endangered species...one of the last "divisional holdouts". At any rate, chaqu'un a son gout.   Rob in Kansas      
(back) Subject: Re: Ite, missa est--GO! From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:23:06 -0700   That's exactly what we did at St. Stephen's-in-the-Desert, an Episcopal = parish that used Rite I most of the time. The sacred ministers and choir = recessed; all stood in the back of the church (blocking the back door!) until the hymn = was ended; THEN the priest (there was no deacon) gave the Dismissal.   Of course, older Episcopalians aren't ABOUT to leave until the candles are = put out (what E.Y.R. calls "the liturgy of the fire-worship") ... we're about to = have a dust-up about THAT because he wants to put out the candles during the = first verse of the Recessional Hymn, march out, give the announcements from the back = of the church, and then have me start the voluntary, omitting the Kneeling Hymn, = which is ALWAYS "Day By Day" (and a "magic moment" in the service). I KNOW who's = gonna win that one: the CONGREGATION.   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > In the Roman rite, don't they have a little deacon's Dismissal > thingy?--something like "Go in peace; serve the Lord"? If so, just save = it > until you want the folks to leave (even if after hymns, recessionals, = etc.), > and surely they'll stay until they're dismissed! (It works for = Lutherans.) > > Alan > > ---------- > >From: Prestant16@aol.com > > > I believe that nobody should be > > running a marathon to the door until the CLOSING hymn is sung, then = they can > > run out the doors when I start my postlude (if it is that bad!) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org