PipeChat Digest #1067 - Tuesday, September 7, 1999
 
RE: PipeChat Digest #1056 - 09/04/99
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 


(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat Digest #1056 - 09/04/99 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:40:04 -0400   I too have all my life (when I was playing) played in RC churches and the Ay-mens were not included EXCEPT at the end of a doxology. That may be = where Routley gets his idea from. I think the addition of ah-mens to hymns in = many denominations were just added as a coda to the piece. It was the "thank = God it's over after 10 verses" we are through, coda. I tend to doubt that many composers actually added the Ah- or Ay-mens but that compilers of hymnals did so. But I have no proof of this. Robert Colasacco > -----Original Message----- > From: PipeChat [SMTP:pipechat@pipechat.org] > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 10:42 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: PipeChat Digest #1056 - 09/04/99 > > PipeChat Digest #1056 - Saturday, September 4, 1999 > > Temperament & Tuning > by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Re: Temperament & Tuning > by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net> > Re: Dupre CD's (PipeChat Digest #1054 - 09/03/99) > by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> > Music Writing Software > by "Shirley" <pnst@snip.net> > Robert Hebble > by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Re: Music Writing Software > by <prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net> > Professional Section Leaders > by <ScottFop@aol.com> > Re: Tibia Tonalty (was National Shrine Kilgen Restoration Update) > by <ScottFop@aol.com> > a-mens on hymns > by "John Weit" <weit1098@kutztown.edu> > Handel composition............ > by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by <prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net> > Amens on hymns.............. > by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com> > Re: Amens on hymns.............. > by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net> > Re: Temperament & Tuning > by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> > re:temperament & tuning > by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Re: a-mens on hymns > by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Temperament & Tuning > From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 10:54:02 EDT > > I have noticed a string started by Mr. Bruce Cornely about his organ and =   > wished to offer some info. > > Here in Worcester some of you may know about the large 4man Taylor & = Boody > > at Holy Cross College. This organ is in un-equal temperament. It also = has > > the option to be manually pumped or not. But the key info to this = string > is > this: > > The flue pipes are cut to length with minor adjustments made by Taylor & =   > Boody at the final instalation. Mr. Stephan Mier is the gent. who = usually > > comes in to tune for the changing seasons and had told me the only > pipework > he tunes are the reeds. All flue work stays exactly where it is and = reeds > > are tuned to them. > > No of course this does lead to some rather intersting "wolfs" here and > there > during different seasons BUT.... > This "out of tunness" seems to be something most European organists have =   > dealt with for ages. How many times have we heard recordings of French > Organs out of tune and shrugged it off saying, "oh well it's French - = what > > do you want?" > The way I understand it..... this expierince is just past of owning an > organ > in un-equal temperament and is just 'dealt with'. Consider it part of = the > > charm or uniquness of the instrument. > On a side note - it also makes us better musicians. No longer are we > spoiled Americans who have equal temperament all the time and can play > what > ever we wish when ever we wish - now our organ is helping us make some > musical choices! ;-) I would suggest: find out what music still = sounds > good on your instrument when the "heat is on / or the heat is off" so = to > speak and play till your hearts content! > > P.S. When playing the Taylor & Boody and comming across a 'sour note' = most > > usually shrug it off and say - "Oh, that organ sounds soooooo North > German". > > The_Maitre > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Temperament & Tuning > From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >Here in Worcester some of you may know > > about the large 4man Taylor & Boody at Holy > > Cross College. This organ is in un-equal > > temperament. > Isn't the above organ a mean-tone temperament, which is a very severe > (and therefore VERY beautiful) temperament? > > >The flue pipes are cut to length with minor > > adjustments made by Taylor & Boody at the > > final instalation. Mr. Stephan Mier is the gent. > > who usually comes in to tune for the changing > > seasons and had told me the only pipework > > he tunes are the reeds. All flue work stays > > exactly where it is and reeds are tuned to > > them. > There are two key ingredients above, neither of which have we been > blessed! First the pipes are cut to length and cone tuned which makes > them very stable. Our, however, have tuning collars, some of which are > screwed tight on bass pipes, other which fit so tightly that some pipes > have been damaged. An advantage being that the temperament can be > relatively easily changed, the disadvantage being that the final tuning > is not stable because of migration of the slides with weather changes. > > >How many times have we heard recordings of > > French Organs out of tune and shrugged it off > > saying, "oh well it's French - what do you > > want?" > Most of the time when I've heard this it's been in reference to organs > such as NotreDame which are very large with buckets-o-reeds and no A/C > which renders them either fuzzy or wild most of the time. I have a > recording of the Vierne mass which has some real whoppers in the tuning. > > > Consider it part of the charm or uniquness of > >the instrument. On a side note - it also makes > > us better musicians. > It took me a while to get used to the sound, but like anything else > worthwhile often requires training and practice. I play a wide range > of literature and have found the unequal temperament, using the > Valotti-Young system, gives new life to even romantic literature. I > first noticed this on the Franck E-major Chorale. I also play several > of the Rheinberger sonatas including the D-flat and it simply adds > beauty and great interest. I also find that my choir becomes more > conscious of pure intervals in singing after they have heard them on the > organ. > > I would really love to play the T&B one day, and especially would like > to snuggle down to it every day (and twice on Sunday!). > > Thanks to The_Maitre for his post. > > Bruce & the Baskerbeagles > ~~+~~+~~ rohrschok8@webtv.net ~~+~~+~~ > > When a man's dog turns against him it is time for his wife to pack her > trunk and go home to mama. -- Mark Twain > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Dupre CD's (PipeChat Digest #1054 - 09/03/99) > From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:34:33 +0100 > > >Now for something on topic. I purchased three of the Dupre Organ Works > >series on Naxos and have discovered a fairly mixed bag. Some of it's > really > >good and some is only OK (IMHO). The recordings and the organs seem = fine > so > >maybe Dupre was a tad inconsistent as a composer. So far the best was > >recorded in Nashville on a Casavant by (IIRC) Janet Fischell (?) and I > >believe it's volume 4 or 5. It starts with three early preludes and > fugues, > >including the g minor which is very nicely played. Does anyone else = have > >any thoughts on this series. Are the lower volumes better (vols. 1 - = 3)? > > > >Cheers, Steve Chandler > >PS. Anyone interested in hearing my original compositions is invited = to; > >www.mp3.com/stevechandler > > > I have Volume 1 of this series: > It contains: 24 Inventions, 6 Chorales & 2 Chorales, and 4 Modal Fugues > They are all wells played on a 4 manual Cassavant in Providence R.I by > James Biery. Some of them are fairly hard to listen to, and are = certainly > not his best works. The 24 inventions are, I think meant for student > training. On another CD of mine I have his "Suite Evocation" which is in = 3 > movements and is very good. > It would be interesting to hear what the other 5 CD's were like. > > Richard > P.S. I haven't visited your compositions yet - but I will!!! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Music Writing Software > From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:00:51 -0400 > > Hi, folks - > > In the past couple of weeks, someone (Bud, was it you?) wrote these = lists > asking about music writing software. > > Check out http://www.jwpepper.com. Click on "Browse the Catalogs", and > then "Software" and then "Music Writing...". There is a thorough review > of > MANY brands of software out there, with a link to click to d/l the trial > version of some of them. > > Hope that helps. > > --Shirley > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Robert Hebble > From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:02:41 EDT > > I have the Londonderry Air down at Church - I will post when I get back > from > my Two Saturday Masses - until then..... > > The_Maitre > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Music Writing Software > From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:29:32 -0400 > > Shirley, > Thanks you for the info about JWPepper's listing of music notation > software. I > just printed out the whole section and will now be able to look it over = at > my > leisure to decide which I should have. > I have already ordered Sibelius, since it was so prominently displayed = in > the > TAO, but I don't believe, from the description it works with MIDI. We = will > see. > > Thanks again, > Paul R. Swank > Organist/Choirmaster (Retired) > Christ Lutheran Church-LCMS > Dundalk, MD > > Shirley wrote: > > > Hi, folks - > > > > In the past couple of weeks, someone (Bud, was it you?) wrote these > lists > > asking about music writing software. > > > > Check out http://www.jwpepper.com. Click on "Browse the Catalogs", = and > > then "Software" and then "Music Writing...". There is a thorough = review > of > > MANY brands of software out there, with a link to click to d/l the = trial > > version of some of them. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > --Shirley > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Professional Section Leaders > From: ScottFop@aol.com > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:13:18 EDT > > Good topic here! > > Last year when the National Shrine of the Little Flower conducted it's > national search for a new Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination, I > > know for a fact that the three finalists (myself included as one of = them) > all > said that they expected at least a professional quartet to serve as > section > leaders/soloists. Monsignor knowing that the church would be elevated = to > a > National Shrine also sought to "beef up" the music program, especially = the > > Parish Choir, substantially from what it had been in past decades. From > what > I know presently, we are only one of two Roman Catholic churches in the > Archdiocese that has a professional quartet- the other being the = Cathedral > of > the Most Blessed Sacrament where my friend Dr. Norah Duncan is the > organist > and director. > > We hired the four last fall (of 1998) and that was the first time in > literally decades that the Shrine had paid singers again. In the "old > days" > Fr. Coughlin demanded the absolute very best and the entire mixed choir > and > the gentlemen of the Choir of Men and Boys were all paid. (Oh to have > THOSE > funds again!) > But we will maintain the four again this year, the second year of the > professional Schola, and next year augment to eight. At that point we > will > have the "tier" system with the soloists being the top tier making the > highest salary and the second tier making a lesser salary but = nonetheless > competitive. > > I would be very interested to know what other churches use for > contracts/memorandums of agreement with their professional singers, what > is > expected, what they are paid and how many professionals they have. > > Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination > National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Tibia Tonalty (was National Shrine Kilgen Restoration > Update) > From: ScottFop@aol.com > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:18:39 EDT > > In a message dated 9/4/99 1:39:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > budchris@earthlink.net writes: > > << Fascinating reading, and informative, Bruce; I think that Scott was > probably > making a much simpler point: the Kilgen was originally built and voiced > to be > enclosed; over the years, "baroque" enthusiasts removed shades here and =   > there; > now it's been restored to its original configuration. > > Exactly right indeed. Thank heavens no major revoicing was redone- only > the > Main Great 2' Fifteenth and the top two ranks of the 7-rank Plain Jeu in > the > same division were "opened up" in the late 60's and 70's. And if I said > that > the tibia (called "Gross Gedeckt") had overtones, that is not what I > meant. > It does have that hollow, singing/almost wailing, rich and gasping tone > that > good tibias are expected to have. It truly sings and is very lush. = When > it > is mixed with the strings and voxes and select reeds- I swear it sounds > like > a true in-the-theatre theatre organ. > > > > I'm sure it still makes PLENTY of sound (grin). > > Oh yes. =3Do) > > > > Taking the shades off the Kilgen Great would be akin to removing the > shades > from > an E.M. Skinner Choir organ, as was done at St. John's on Flower Street > in > LA, > or taking them off the Great AND PEDAL of the great old Casavant at > Redlands > University (which HASN'T been done). And anyway, you need the 32' reed > under > expression to play "In the Year that King Uzziah Died" (grin). > > The National Shrine's 32' reed IS under expression which makes it VERY > flexible. > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: a-mens on hymns > From: "John Weit" <weit1098@kutztown.edu> > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:32:38 -0400 > > Greetings! > > First a small introduction....I am a sophomore at Kutztown University in > PA. > I recently started as Director of Music at a medium sized UCC church in > reading, PA. > > Now for my reason for writing. I wanted to get some opinions on whether > or > not to sing the A-men's on hymns. We use the old E&R hymnal...and they > all > include them. In the past 4 churches I've served, they've never sung = the > a-mens, even if they were printed. > > Someone told me once that they are not musically correct....can anyone > elaborate on this? > > Apparently this congregation has always sang the a-mens and since I've > been > there (almost two months) we haven't. Nobody has questioned the fact, = but > it is on the agenda for a Worship Committee meeting this week...so I > thought > it would be nice to have some other organists opinions to back me up. > > If they really want the a-mens, I will more than gladly play them....but > we'll see after the meeting. > > Thanks! > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > John Weit weit1098@kutztown.edu > Director of Music > Grace (Alsace) United Church of Christ - Reading, PA > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Handel composition............ > From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:00:50 EDT > > Greetings, > > anyone know where I can get my hands (and feet) on a = copy > > of the "Marche Grand Choeur" from "Joshua" by G. F. Handel? I know = there's > > an organ arrangement out there somewhere. Thanks! > > Carlo > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:02:10 -0400 > > John, you said: > > > >Someone told me once that they are not musically correct....can anyone > >elaborate on this? > > If memory serves me (and it's getting more fuzzy as time marches on!), > Erik > Routley said that an "amen" should be sung only when the Doxology is > present in the text of the hymn. Please don't ask me to quote chapter = and > verse, because I'm not sure I can at this point. > > I know that may sound ambiguous, but after careful examination of = several > texts, it will become apparent when, according to Routley, to add a sung > Amen at the conclusion of the hymn. > > This has caused quite a problem in my life, too, since a former hymnal = in > our weekly use had amens on everyting. So . . . I understand! > > Yours, > > Darryl by the Sea > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 20:05:50 -0000 > > I use this rule on determining the validity of an AMEN at the end of the > hymn. > > Read the text. If it is, or can be construed as a "prayer," then put = an > AMEN on it. > > It's really a judgement call. I don't know that there is an "official" > rule. > > Mark Reeves > Dir. of Music/Organist > First UMC, Canton, Tx > http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:29:19 -0400 > > John, > The personal rule I've always followed is, "if the amen is there I play > it." I > have done this in every type of church high, low, evangelical, = liturgical, > in-between. If the hymnal of the church where you are playing has them, > then it > seems to follow that the amens are "approved" by the powers that be of = the > denomination. Also, the congregation had to have decided to purchase = the > hymnals, and by doing so, certainly knew the amens were there. I am > surprised > that some helpful person hasn't spoken to you on the side with what was > done > before you were appointed. You should have one person designated to = whom > you > direct all questions, whether it be the chairman of the Worship Committee, > the > pastor of the church, the president of the congregation, etc. Try to = get > a > clear line of authority from the Worship Committee at the scheduled > meeting. > Helpful hints, I hope. > > Paul R. Swank > Organist/Choirmaster (Retired (36 years)) > Christ Lutheran Church-LCMS > Dundalk, MD > > John Weit wrote: > > > Greetings! > > > > First a small introduction....I am a sophomore at Kutztown University = in > PA. > > I recently started as Director of Music at a medium sized UCC church = in > > reading, PA. > > > > Now for my reason for writing. I wanted to get some opinions on = whether > or > > not to sing the A-men's on hymns. We use the old E&R hymnal...and = they > all > > include them. In the past 4 churches I've served, they've never sung > the > > a-mens, even if they were printed. > > > > Someone told me once that they are not musically correct....can anyone > > elaborate on this? > > > > Apparently this congregation has always sang the a-mens and since I've > been > > there (almost two months) we haven't. Nobody has questioned the fact, > but > > it is on the agenda for a Worship Committee meeting this week...so I > thought > > it would be nice to have some other organists opinions to back me up. > > > > If they really want the a-mens, I will more than gladly play = them....but > > we'll see after the meeting. > > > > Thanks! > > > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > John Weit weit1098@kutztown.edu > > Director of Music > > Grace (Alsace) United Church of Christ - Reading, PA > > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Amens on hymns.............. > From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:33:43 EDT > > Well, here's my 2 cents on this topic. Being an organist/choir director = in > > Catholic churches all my life, I've never had to worry about amens at = the > ends of hymns. Roman Catholic hymnals don't put Amens at the end of = their > hymns. But, whenever I've played in other churches, if there's an Amen > there, I play it. At my church, we use CBW I, II, III, Gather, Glory & > Praise, plus octavos, anthems and other compositions. I'd have to say = that > > in the choir's repertoire, there's MAYBE, at the most, 5 cases where > there's > an Amen at the end. One member of the choir (she's a convert), once told > me > "singing Amen at the end of a hymn is strictly a "Protestant" thing to > do"". > Oh well, whatever it is, it sounds weird singing it at the end of most > hymns. Like I said, if it's written there, then I do it. Otherwise, no = way > > Piern=E9! > > Carlo > p.s. you say Amen, I say Ah-men, let's call the whole thing ORFF!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:41:07 -0700 > > I follow the rule in the old Episcopal hymnal (which prints 'em, or not, > as > the case may be), which is basically the same, plus any hymn that ends > with > the Trinitarian doxology ..."O Father that we ask be done" or "O Jesu, > Virgin-Born to Thee", etc., and I missed them when I was playing in a > parish > that used the new Hymnal (no "amens", period). Even some of the hymns in > the > '40 that don't have it seem to call for it, but I stick to the book. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "mreeves@vzinet.com" wrote: > > > I use this rule on determining the validity of an AMEN at the end of the > > hymn. > > > > Read the text. If it is, or can be construed as a "prayer," then put > an > > AMEN on it. > > > > It's really a judgement call. I don't know that there is an = "official" > > rule. > > > > Mark Reeves > > Dir. of Music/Organist > > First UMC, Canton, Tx > > http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328 > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: Blaine Ricketts <blaineri@home.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:52:35 -0700 > > I was always led to believe that if the Trinity was mentioned in the = last > line, > sing AMEN. > > Blaine Ricketts > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Amens on hymns.............. > From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 18:57:06 -0700 > > Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > > (snip) > > > Roman Catholic hymnals don't put Amens at the end of their > > hymns.. > > Not so, Carlo ... see my recent post on this thread. The OFFICIAL, LATIN > hymnal, > the Hymnarium (incorporating the hymns of the Antiphonale, etc.) DOES = have > amens. Surely you sing "amen" at the end of the Pange lingua and the = Crux > fidelis. > > For modern hymns, as I said, I can see the argument both ways ... but = for > the > liturgical hymns, no. They have 'em, we sing 'em. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Temperament & Tuning > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:14:14 -0400 (EDT) > > Oh, to have 4 manuals with several stops out of tune, to have to make > musical choices for. > > Alas! I have the sad task of playing a II/24 Schantz in a divided > chancel. So the Swell is on right, Great is on the left, and, such a > cross I must bear, they pretty much stay in tune with each other season > in, season out. What's a poor organist to do?!? > > Such a pity. I have no place to put 4 registrants, as the console is in > a pit, but I do have a whopping 4 levels of memory. What's a poor > organist to do?!? > > I'll just have to make do. 8-) > > --Neil > Barnegat USA > > P.S: the tongue is very much in cheek > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: re:temperament & tuning > From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> > Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:34:59 EDT > > A bit of explaination: > I do not play (regularly) the 4man Taylor & Boody at Holy Cross - I > studied > under James David which is why I have expierience with the organ. I = never > > had registrants (4 ?!?) - when playing a 4man North German Traker - Jim > would say "to play it like a North German Traker" only one 8' out on a > division at a time, sparing coupling, use of terrace dynamics, yada yada =   > yada yada. > > I do (however) play a 4man Casavant which does stay in-tune pretty well > (except the week of the AGO convention when it was 98 degree's) > And only 5 generals with one memory level, (oh what is a poor organist > to > do ?) > > My first organ instructor (Dr. Elizabeth Braunig - God Bless her) = taught > me > a trick. When manually changing registrations - take a pen/pencil and > move > it from the right side jamb to the left - or vice-a- versa when > drawing/retiring stops. Doing this swiftly over time and you find that > your > stop manipulation skills have increased in speed and dexterity and = you'll > have plenty of time to make your changes. (of course we're not talking > about Voix Celestes 8' to quick change of Fonds et Anches - but you get > the > idea!) > > All the Best, > > The_Maitre > > (Toungue somewhat in cheek - most certainly in mouth) ;-) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a-mens on hymns > From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) > Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:38:49 -0400 (EDT) > > Darryl by the sea, your reply seems to make sense about the Doxology > and Amen. I do know that Mr. Routley also said that amens are not truly > part of the Reformed tradition (this was part of a study done by RCA a > few years ago, I understand), since technically speaking Reformed > congregations would have sung melody--so no 4-part chords on the Landini > cadence. > I have seen where Amens can have an enormously uplifting effect, but > I've also experienced the balloon burst of a needless Amen. > To our friend who posted the question, I would be openminded about > your worship meeting. You may be pleasantly surprised. > --Neil > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of PipeChat Digest > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org