PipeChat Digest #1077 - Monday, September 13, 1999
 
RE: Concert Report (a bit long)
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Harry Caray Obsequies and Music Thereof
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Houston Trip
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
RE: Houston Trip
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: WCC Choir Needs Perf. Sites (VA,MD,NC)
  by "Shirley" <pnst@snip.net>
RE: Concert Report (a bit long)
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted)
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted)
  by "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk>
elided syllables
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Shirley" <pnst@snip.net>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Shirley" <pnst@snip.net>
Re: Houston Trip
  by "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com>
RE: Houston Trip
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
1st-century liturgical Greek pronunciation (grin)
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Houston Trip
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation (longish)
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Bud/Burgie" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Houston Trip
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
 


(back) Subject: RE: Concert Report (a bit long) From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:01:02 -0500   Neil:   This must have been a fabulous event -- kudos to you for doing it with = such panache. When the Cubs' long-time announcer Harry Caray died a couple of years ago, the Sacred Heart Cathedral organist closed his memorial service with an ever-so-soft-beginning "Take me out to the ballgame" on the Flentrop; the packed sanctuary loved it!   Peter    
(back) Subject: Re: Harry Caray Obsequies and Music Thereof From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:34:34 EDT   In a message dated 99-09-13 10:03:48 EDT, you write:   << When the Cubs' long-time announcer Harry Caray died a couple of years ago, the Sacred Heart Cathedral organist closed his memorial = service with an ever-so-soft-beginning "Take me out to the ballgame" on the Flentrop; the packed sanctuary loved it! >>   I do believe the Chicago RC Cathedral is Holy Name, not Sacred Heart. FWIW =    
(back) Subject: Houston Trip From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:09:01 -0400     I will be visiting Houston the last week in September and will have Sunday = AM, 9/26, free to visit a church service. Are there any "must see/must hear" organs there?   Thanks!   George Greene george.greene@rossnutrition.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Houston Trip From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:38:56 -0500   George:   It's not in a church, but Rice University's Shephard School of Music has a destination Fisk/Rosales in the classic French style housed in a recital hall designed and built specifically for it.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com [mailto:George.Greene@rossnutrition.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:09 AM To: - *pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Houston Trip       I will be visiting Houston the last week in September and will have Sunday AM, 9/26, free to visit a church service. Are there any "must see/must hear" organs there?   Thanks!   George Greene george.greene@rossnutrition.com     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: WCC Choir Needs Perf. Sites (VA,MD,NC) From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:27:48 -0400   At 08:16 AM 9/12/99 EDT, you wrote: > At any rate, our Chapel Choir is 125 under the direction of Dr. James =   >Jordan. We sound phenomenal! We normaly tour through PA and OH, but this year >we have had to cancel due to our size. We are now looking for churches in VA, >MD, DE, and NC for performance sites.     This choir is always well received. Jim Jordan is an extremely well-qualified conductor. (My daughter worked with him this summer and last at the 2-week High School Vocal Institute held at Westminster Choir College each year. Their closing concert is held in the resonant Gothic Princeton University Chapel.) Jim's able to mix fun along with the teaching of sound vocal production.   If you book this choir, you won't be sorry. They're great kids as well. Peter, one thought for folks who might want to host your group: What = about housing? (Abington Church (PA) is hosting the Susquehanna Univ. choir, = and we have to find housing with church members for the students while they're here.)   Good luck with it, Peter!   --Shirley http://www.libertynet.org/apcusa  
(back) Subject: RE: Concert Report (a bit long) From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:56:01 -0400 (EDT)   Thank you Peter. It was fun doing TMOTTBG--it does have developmental possibilities, you know. 8-) --Neil    
(back) Subject: sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted) From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:16:37 -0700   Here's one for the Anglican organists in the UK who use (or used) the 1662 Psalter: is there any rhyme or reason to when you sound the "ed" in the Psalms (pro-vo-ked, turn-ed, etc.)? I do it when the rhythm of the recitation or the cadences seems to call for it, but sometimes that ends up being a lot, and sometimes a little, so I'm not being at all consistent. Any thoughts?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:54:48 -0400   >From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net>   > is there any rhyme or reason to when you sound the "ed" in > the Psalms (pro-vo-ked, turn-ed, etc.)?   While the conclave is gathered for that one, would they want to deal also with the "movable-nu" in expressions like "my eyes" and "my enemies," pronounced "my neyes" and "my nenemies"? Is that done only when chanting the psalms, or also when speaking them? (Footnote to an apron, formerly a napron.)   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Re: sounding the "ed" in the Psalter (X-posted) From: "John Winn" <john@jwinn.demon.co.uk> Date: 13 Sep 99 21:01:39 +0100   > Here's one for the Anglican organists in the UK who use (or used) the > 1662 Psalter: is there any rhyme or reason to when you sound the "ed" in > the Psalms (pro-vo-ked, turn-ed, etc.)? I do it when the rhythm of the > recitation or the cadences seems to call for it, but sometimes that ends > up being a lot, and sometimes a little, so I'm not being at all > consistent. Any thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Bud > The rules for "The Parish Psalter" which I was brought up with, is that the "ed" is not pronounced seperately unless it is hyphenated, except for "blessed" which is always pronounced "bless-ed".   If you look in the front of your psalter you might find what rules the "pointer" wanted you to follow.   Regards,   John   -- John Winn   Upminster, England  
(back) Subject: elided syllables From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:18:19 -0700       Alan Freed wrote:   > While the conclave is gathered for that one, would they want to deal = also > with the "movable-nu" in expressions like "my eyes" and "my enemies," > pronounced "my neyes" and "my nenemies"? Is that done only when = chanting > the psalms, or also when speaking them? (Footnote to an apron, formerly = a > napron.) > > Alan Freed   Hmmm ... Alan, I usually mark common American usage when I write out the Psalms, i.e. suf'fring instead of suf-fer-ing, glo-rious (with a slur = under "rious") instead of glo-ri-ous. In the case of "mine enemies", etc. I'd = give a whole beat (tactus) to "mine", but not make any separation between "mine" = and "enemies".   I'm probably transferring the Latin rule that double vowels and consonants (with certain exceptions) EACH receive a whole beat in chant recitation, = even though the SOUND may be a seamless elision: Glo-ri-a instead of Glo-ria, e-le-i-son instead of e-lei-son (though some composers treat it that way = ... )   Rossini says to still divide it and put the "i" on the last sixteenth of = the beat BEFORE the "son": e - le ----------- i-son, even if the composer = doesn't. But that was the strict Roman rule.   The chant books are VERY specific ... they give you a small note = (epiphonus, cephalicus, torculus liquescens, ancus, liquescent quilisma ... the = so-called "liquid" neums) which tell you EXACTLY when to sound a transitory vowel OR consonant.   NOW if somebody will just figure out what to do with the word "iron" on = Good Friday ... all the British books pronounce it as two syllables (i-ron), = and the music of "Crux fidelis" gives it two notes ... but when I make it one syllable (as is usual in America) the choir "grinds" the "r".   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Church Latin pronunciation From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:35:55 -0400   OK, folks, how is "eleison" (is in Kyrie eleison) pronounced?   All right, I can hear the scholars out there now... "That's not Roman, that's GREEK!"   Well, ok, so change the subject heading. :)   Anwyay, is it KEE-ree-eh eh-LEH-ee-zahn, or sahn? I've had different conductors tell me two different ways. I kind of remember that single "s" being pronounced as a z, but that's in Latin.....   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:51:28 -0400   >From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net>   > is it KEE-ree-eh eh-LEH-ee-zahn, or sahn   I'd definitely go with eh-LEH-ee-sohn--with an "o" sound, rather than a broad "a" sound. And don't let the "ee" get to shrieky. Closer to "i" as in "it."  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:58:54 -0400   At 05:51 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >>From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> >I'd definitely go with eh-LEH-ee-sohn--with an "o" sound, rather than a >broad "a" sound. And don't let the "ee" get to shrieky. Closer to "i" = as >in "it."     The sound "o" is a diphthong, though..... uh-oo (or ah-oo).... I guess we're more after somewhere between "ah" and "aw" for that vowel, for a = pure sound.   And you're right about the "ee" sound.... easy to spread that sound, and make it too nasal as well. The biggest gripe I have about choirs singing in Latin is "Gloria IN Excelsis".... in should be een, not the way most choirs sing it!   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Houston Trip From: "David McPeak <Mack>" <dm726@delphi.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:08:15 -0400   Excuse me for butting in here, but do I recollect that there is an early Andover/Fisk EP organ there too? I remember hearing about it while = working for Fisk.   Cheers, Dave McPeak   "Storandt, Peter" wrote:   > George: > > It's not in a church, but Rice University's Shephard School of Music has = a > destination Fisk/Rosales in the classic French style housed in a recital > hall designed and built specifically for it. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com > [mailto:George.Greene@rossnutrition.com] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:09 AM > To: - *pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Houston Trip > > I will be visiting Houston the last week in September and will have = Sunday > AM, > 9/26, free to visit a church service. Are there any "must see/must = hear" > organs there? > > Thanks! > > George Greene > george.greene@rossnutrition.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Houston Trip From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:23:51 -0500   Hi Dave:   I'm not familiar with that one. Would that have dated from Charles Fisk's ownership of Andover?   Peter    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:52:11 -0700   At 04:35 PM 9/13/1999 -0400, ShIRRRRRley wrote:   >Anwyay, is it KEE-ree-eh eh-LEH-ee-zahn, or sahn? I've had different >conductors tell me two different ways. I kind of remember that single = "s" >being pronounced as a z, but that's in Latin.....<snip>   Yes, it is sahn...or so says the RC Church for centuries! That should be source authority enough right there, 'n it works for me!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: 1st-century liturgical Greek pronunciation (grin) From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:45:22 -0700   The "old" RC Church, which, of course, had an answer for everything (can = you say "infallible"? There! I KNEW you could!) (wicked grin) insisted that = Greek and Hebrew words, when they occur in the liturgy, be pronounced AS IF THEY WERE LATIN. It took me YEARS to unlearn the wrong pronunciation of "Hagios = ho theos", etc. in the Good Friday service (they even had it SPELLED wrong).   To answer your question:   kee-ree-EH eh-leh-ee-ZONE, chri-STE eh-leh-ee-ZONE ... in the Greek pronunciation (1st century liturgical Greek, not modern-day spoken Greek), with the accent on the LAST syllables. Also possibly "TSONE" instead of = "ZONE" .... regional variation. In any case, certainly NOT an "ah" sound.   Another example (Good Friday again):   liturgical:   hah-ghee-OS ho theh-OHS   modern:   EYE-yohs o THEY-os.   I got these from the late Father Steven Schaber, PhD, professor of Greek = and Russian at San Diego State.   Cheers,   Bud   Shirley wrote:   > OK, folks, how is "eleison" (is in Kyrie eleison) pronounced? > > All right, I can hear the scholars out there now... "That's not Roman, > that's GREEK!" > > Well, ok, so change the subject heading. :) > > Anwyay, is it KEE-ree-eh eh-LEH-ee-zahn, or sahn? I've had different > conductors tell me two different ways. I kind of remember that single = "s" > being pronounced as a z, but that's in Latin..... > > --Shirley > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:52:29 -0700   Shirley - naw, that was old-fashioned "choral directors' Latin" (or Greek, = as the case might be) ... I remember hearing it at workshops in high school = ... don't know who started it (Fred Waring? Who did those editions with the phonetic pronunciations underneath?), but they even went as far as = "GLAW-ri-a in ex-CELL-sis" (correct liturgical pronunciation: GLO-ree-ah een = ex-CHEL-seez [the final "z" somewhere between an "s" and a "z"] ).   Cheers,   Bud   Shirley wrote:   > At 05:51 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote: > >>From: Shirley <pnst@snip.net> > >I'd definitely go with eh-LEH-ee-sohn--with an "o" sound, rather than a > >broad "a" sound. And don't let the "ee" get to shrieky. Closer to "i" = as > >in "it." > > The sound "o" is a diphthong, though..... uh-oo (or ah-oo).... I guess > we're more after somewhere between "ah" and "aw" for that vowel, for a = pure > sound. > > And you're right about the "ee" sound.... easy to spread that sound, and > make it too nasal as well. The biggest gripe I have about choirs = singing > in Latin is "Gloria IN Excelsis".... in should be een, not the way most > choirs sing it! > > --Shirley > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Houston Trip From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:54:33 -0700   The other Fisk at Rice University Andover/Fisk, #25.... 1958. Also in Houston is Charles Fisk, #99 at Palmer Memorial Episcopal Church, a 3/44 with a rather Spanish style case.   Sand Lawn      
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation (longish) From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:20:51 -0700   I was an (Old) Catholic priest, and I think I can safely say it was NEVER "sahn", nor did the sources ever say it was ...   "The following rules are based on the actual pronunciation of Latin by the Clergy of the Province of Rome, and therefore are ABSOLUTELY RELIABLE notwithstanding any opinion to the contrary." (C. Rossini, The Proper of = the Mass, page iii):   A - always open as in Father   E - as in Red but more resonant, more like "a" in Fare (never with a = second sound as in May)   I and Y - as ee in Feet (never as "i" in Tin)   O - as in For   U - as oo in Moon (never with a second sound as in Issue)   DIPHTHONGS: AE and OE - as the above vowel E, except in words with the diaeresis (two = dots over the e) as in Israel, Noe, etc. (I don't know how to make two dots = over the "e" ... Bud) where BOTH vowels are pronounced.   AU - as ou in House. In singing, the first vowel is sustained for the = entire length of the note; the second vowel is pronounced rapidly just before = passing to the next syllable (a-utem, la-udem). The same rule holds for EU in the = word Euge (e-uge).   (note: in the chant, these often have a liquescent small note to indicate EXACTLY when the second vowel is sounded ... Bud)   EI, EO, EU and OU are not diphthongs but dissyllables; therefore are to be pronounced as TWO separate vowels. The same rule holds for UI (cu-i, = hu-ic) except when preceded by "q" (qui, qui-dam).   CONSONANTS C - before e, i, y, ae, oe, as "ch" in Church; in all other cases is like = "K".   G - before e, i, y, ae, oe is soft as in Gentle; in all other cases is = hard as in Govern.   H - is mute, except in the words Mihi and Nihil where it is pronounced = like K (mi-ki, ni-kil).   J - as y in Yes (Jesus=3D Ye-sus)   R - is pronounced by jarring the tongue against the palate (or-bis, = car-nis)   (I think he means roll it ... Bud)   X - as ks: Lux (luks); Rex (Reks): Dixit (di-ksit); Erexit (e-re-ksit); Dexteram (deks-te-ram), etc.   (he's presuming the VOWELS will be pronounced according to the above table = ... Bud)   Z - as dz (not ds) - Nazareth (Na-dzar-eth)   EX (alone) is pronounced eks. If ex is the beginning of a word: when = combined with a vowel, is pronounced egs (exaudi=3Degs-au-di; = Exemplum=3Degs-em-plum; Exivit=3Degs-i-vit; when combined with a consonant, is pronounced eks: Excelsis=3Deck-chel-sis (not ek-shel-sis!); Exspecto=3Deks-pe-cto; = Extra=3Deks-tra, etc.   TI - when followed by a Vowel is like tis (Etiam=3De-tsi-am; Patientia=3Dpa=3Dtsi=3Den=3Dtsi=3Da; Pontio=3DPon-tsi-o; except when the = ti is preceded by "s" (Hostia=3Dos=3Dti=3Da): in this and all other cases is pronounced as = ordinary "t" (Petitionem=3Dpe-ti-tsi-o-nem).   TH - as simple "t" because "h" is mute: Catholicam=3Dca-to-li-cam.   CH - always as "k": Cherubim=3DKe-ru-bim.   GN - as a liquid sound similar to that of ni in Dominions: Agnus=3DA-nyus   SC - before e, i, y, ae, as sh in Shell (Descendit=3Dde-shen-dit): in all = other cases is pronounced like sk (Scriptura=3DSkri-ptu-ra).   Double consonants must actually be DOUBLED in their intensity; thus: = ToLLis, PeCCata, HosaNNa, ALLeluia: not Tolis, Pecata, Hosana, Aleluia. = Ecce=3DEch-che. Dactylic words like Gloria, Filium, Etiam, Gratiam, etc. consist of THREE syllables which are to be pronounced distinctly: Glo-ri-a, Fi-li-um, = E-ti-am, Gra-ti-am (not: Glo-ria, Fi-lium, E-tiam, Gra-tiam).   And there you have it from the Italian's mouth (grin).   Cheers,   Bud     Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 04:35 PM 9/13/1999 -0400, ShIRRRRRley wrote: > > >Anwyay, is it KEE-ree-eh eh-LEH-ee-zahn, or sahn? I've had different > >conductors tell me two different ways. I kind of remember that single = "s" > >being pronounced as a z, but that's in Latin.....<snip> > > Yes, it is sahn...or so says the RC Church for centuries! That should = be > source authority enough right there, 'n it works for me! > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:31:53 -0400   Whilst I really think that this is off-topic for this list, here is my two-penn'orth!   From "Choral Latin" published by the National Federation of Music Societies, London. This has been my guide for something like 40 years! I don't even know if it is still published.   I bought it from: The National Federation of Music Societies, 4, St. James's Square London, SW1 England. There are two styles of pronunciation of Choral Latin:     But do remember that this is Greek any way!   The Compromise Version: Keeriay elayison Christay elayison   The Italianate Version: Keereeay aylayeesohn Kristay alayeesohn   Now this is Latin:   The Compromise Version: Gloria in ekselseece Dayo,   The Italianate Version: Gloreeah een ekshelseece Dayoh   And so it goes on ad infinitum. I really do not believe that it makes a great deal of difference, as long as all the members of the choir stick to the same pronunciation.   The two versions do not vary all that much, but one has to be careful as = to what is the accepted choice in the church where the Latin words are to be sung. Especially in High Anglican (Anglo-Catholic) churches, which is where I was brought up!   This topic should really be addressed through a Choral list, it is not really a very Organ list topic.   Bob Conway  
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight at 9.00pm Eastern Time From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:34:18 -0400   To all members of the Pipechat List:   Join the IRC Pipechatters on Monday evenings, or Friday evenings, at 9.00 pm Eastern Time.   If you are not too sure how you do it go to our Web Page at the following = URL:   http://www.pipechat.org   We have provided all the necessary information there for you to see how to get on to the IRC.   We hope to see you this evening!   Bob Conway ...          
(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Bud/Burgie <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:31:24 -0700   With all due respect to my colleagues across the pond, the English pronunciation of Latin has always been ... well, "singular". My priest = STILL says "Ve-NIGH-tee" (Venite) and "Bay-nay-DICE-i-ti" (Benedicite) (grin), although the topper was an old English priest who used to say "Benedictus = cue venay (in Nomine Domini)" (big grin).   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - as to appropriateness to this venue, I'm organist/choirmaster ... = I'm sure others must be too.   Bob Conway wrote:   > Whilst I really think that this is off-topic for this list, here is my > two-penn'orth! > > >From "Choral Latin" published by the National Federation of Music > Societies, London. This has been my guide for something like 40 years! = I > don't even know if it is still published. >    
(back) Subject: Re: Houston Trip From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:44:30 -0400   Geroge, for my money, a must hear is the St. Paul's UMC Choir and Bob Brewer. While you're there, pick up their "hymn" c.d. It, alone, is worth driving by.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea Taking a break from securing the Miller fortress for the arrival of Floyd     At 11:09 AM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I will be visiting Houston the last week in September and will have = Sunday AM, >9/26, free to visit a church service. Are there any "must see/must hear" >organs there? > >Thanks! > >George Greene >george.greene@rossnutrition.com > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >