PipeChat Digest #1088 - Wednesday, September 22, 1999
 
RE: recovering the sense of the sacred
  by "Ruth" <theraven@sympatico.ca>
Re: recovering the sense of the sacred
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: recovering the sense of the sacred
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
FWD: How I spent my.....
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re:  All Hallows Eve
  by "dgoward" <dgoward@intsvc.com>
Halloween
  by "dgoward" <dgoward@intsvc.com>
Re: West Point Cadet Chapel Fall 1999 Concert Series
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Re: PIPE SCREAMS
  by "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net>
Re: All Hallows Eve
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
sacred, secular, Halloween, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc.
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Organ concerts and projection TV
  by "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk>
Instrument in The House of God
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re:Instrument in The House of God and small flaky pastries.
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Instrument in The House of God and small flaky pastries.
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Lectionary Music
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Lectionary Music
  by <WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com>
Re: sacred, secular, Halloween, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc.
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: PIPE SCREAMS - Ride of the Valkyries
  by <HensonMark@aol.com>
video music
  by <Icorgan@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: RE: recovering the sense of the sacred From: "Ruth" <theraven@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:50:43 -0400     "However, I've only recently been able, through, assistance from my pastor, to have the congregation seated during the postlude, until it's conclusion (it took me 17 years)."   Just a silly question, but isn't the postlude supposed to be played as the congregation leaves. If they sit for the postlude, do you play another as they leave the church?? Just curious, Ruth    
(back) Subject: Re: recovering the sense of the sacred From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:40 -0400   > The RC church is the only Christian church that provides adequate >training, > that I'm aware of, of things sacred.   At Christ Episcopal, we've worked hard to establish our own things sacred. We have an icon of Christ near where the leafletts are and in front of = that is a small candle which is lit every week to show that "Christ's presence = is here." In addition, during Holy Week, we fill our chapel with plants to create the garden at Gesemene (or however one spells that). One member of the congregation each takes an hour and we keep a vigil during the night = of Christ's crucifixion, and the hours before Easter Sunday.   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: recovering the sense of the sacred From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:40:56 -0000     > Just a silly question, but isn't the postlude supposed to be played as > the congregation leaves. > If they sit for the postlude, do you play another as they leave the > church?? > Just curious, > Ruth   Ruth;   To answer that, no I do not play a post-postlude. What usually happens is that I hear a large "Amen" from the congregation, and some may be moved to applaud. Believe me, it is much easier to just play a hymn for the 30 seconds it takes for the Sanctuary to clear out, rather than to prepare an entire piece for an attentive congregation.   But, I would think that the Postlude should be as much an act of Worship, = as the Prelude, Hymn, or Anthem. Even the Sermon...and I don't see a congregation walking out on the Sermon when the "preacher" gets to the concluding points...they may be asleep, but, they don't walk out. The postlude can be such a powerful point of punctuation to the Service.   Mark Reeves, Dir. of Music/Organist mreeves@vzinet.com First UMC - Canton, Texas http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328   Personal quote: "Music is the common language of heaven and earth" = (MWR)    
(back) Subject: FWD: How I spent my..... From: Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:44:51 -0500   ADMIN NOTE: This message ended up in the "Bounced Mail Digest" so I am forwarding it on to the list for "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> The server has been rejecting it since it had the word "vacation" in the subject line.   **************************************************** Subject: How I spent my Yom Kippur vacation.   ******** Hey all,   Yes, we have Yom Kippur off here at SU. So I decided to take a road trip to see one of our very own. I met Bob Conway on Queen's campus at 10:30 this morning, and BOY did I have fun in Kingston.   Our first stop was to see the campus. I had been hoping that Queen's U had a grad program in comp, but unfortunately, no. (Guess I'll -have- to speak French now. ;)) Anywho, if you're not aware of it, he was classical programs director at the campus radio station up until last year. So he showed me the control rooms, and all 15,000 LPs they have available there. (!) We also saw the school of music, which resembles a dungeon with glass windows. There's a little positive organ in one of the practice rooms, which we got only a glimpse of. It was a lot smaller than the practice organs here at 'Cuse. We also saw a gorgeous little Casavant in one of the larger halls there (Grand Hall? The name escapes me.) It was a small tracker, probably about 20 ranks or so, no swell pedal. To compensate, the Brustwerk was build directly behind the Hauptwerk, muffling it a lot, yet letting the sound out at the same time, due to the organ's position. Pretty effective if you ask me. It even had a Krummhorn. Unfortunately, it was locked. Oh well.   So after a great lunch at the faculty club...and a glass of wine (I'm of age in Canada!)...it was off to St. George's. It was modeled after St. Paul's in London which is where Bob is originally from. The organ was electropneumatic, but it had the touch of a tracker. I couldn't play that one either, but the console was really nifty. It was a lot like Petty Madden consoles in that there were neither drawknobs, nor tabs, but rather buttons that light up when you push them. I imagine it must be convenient to just slam your hand down and -voila!-- you have more sound. They also had a little 1964 harpsichord, REALLY nice which was out of tune but (gasp!) unlocked! I shall be back in Kingston next summer for the Thursday afternoon concerts in that Cathedral!   All in all, Kingston is a nifty little city. We did more non-organically related stuff, so if you want to know, e-mail me. :) Bob is one of the nicest, funniest, most charming people I've ever met. You should get him to tell you all about the prank at Royal Albert Hall. Or at Queen's. Or at MIT. Or...well, you get the idea.   So thanks for everything, Bob, I had a great time! Eh!   -Rebekah ********* **************************************** David Scribner Co-Owner / Technical Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org 850-478-9635 mailto:david@blackiris.com  
(back) Subject: Re: All Hallows Eve From: dgoward <dgoward@intsvc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:08:49 -0700   Subject: PIPE SCREAMS From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:24:02 -0000   >Dear Listers;   >I haven't posted in a while, but, need some help. I need some =3D >suggestions >for repertoire for an All Saints Eve Organ program. Ideally, >something >that's not too challenging, since there's not much time to >prepare. = =3D >Also, >this is a 2/21 Tracker organ (no presets), and duets are out of the >question.   >I'm planning an arrangement of "Phantom..."   Forgive me, I missed something. Is this for a church, or for the local bar and grill?   A church, you say? Well, why not forget about "celebrating" All Hallow's Eve, which is what the world generally spends celebrating death, and wait until the next day, when you can celebrate All Saints Day, a day set aside to honor the brothers and sisters in Christ who have gone ahead to the church Triumphant?   Phantom of the Opera? What place does music glorifying a demented madman who terrorized an operahouse have in God's House? Or am I missing something again? Please, tell me you're not doing this in the church, but maybe in the parish hall?   Dennis GOward    
(back) Subject: Halloween From: dgoward <dgoward@intsvc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:14:25 -0700   >Subject: Re: All Hallows' Eve (X-posted) >From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) >Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:15:27 -0000   >Bud;   >I do not disagree with you. However, I see it (Pipe Screams) as a = >tool >for evangelism, more than anything. It is a way to connect to the >unchurched.   How about a nice black mass on halloween? That should reach some unchurched.   What ever happened to "in the world, but not of the world?"   Dennis      
(back) Subject: Re: West Point Cadet Chapel Fall 1999 Concert Series From: TheOrganst@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:22:55 EDT   In a message dated 09/21/1999 9:26:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, patmai@juno.com writes:   << Sunday, November 14, at 3:30 PM - Mr. Frederick Hohman of the midwest will play a recital including some transcriptions on the world's largest pipe organ in a religious building. >>   How many ranks is the West Point Chapel organ? I've yet to see the chapel = in person but have many recordings. I've been a regular guest artist at the First Congregational Church of Los Angeles for 25 years. They boast having =   the largest pipe organ in a church in the world. 5 manuals with 346 ranks. =   And it's still growing.   Just curious.   Kyle B. Irwin   Organist - 1st Baptist Los Angeles - 3/90 Kimball, 2/17 Simpson Organist - Precious Blood Cath. Los Angeles - 2/24 Kimball-Simpson Organist - Forest Lawn Memorial Parks Organist - Roosevelt Memorial Park - 4/17 Wurlitzer Organist - Holy Cross Memorial Park - 2/7 Reuter      
(back) Subject: Re: PIPE SCREAMS From: "Mark Hopper" <mahopper@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:46:21 -0500   Our AGO chapter does PipeScreams every year.   I have an incredibly tacky arrangement of "Ride of the Valkeries" for four hands & four feet. Our dean & I play it complete with BrunHilda helments, braids, & a crash cymbal player. It's always a riot!!!   -Mark mahopper@bigfoot.com      
(back) Subject: Re: All Hallows Eve From: TheOrganst@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:14:41 EDT   In a message dated 09/22/1999 7:06:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dgoward@intsvc.com writes:   << Phantom of the Opera? What place does music glorifying a demented madman who terrorized an operahouse have in God's House? Or am I missing something again? Please, tell me you're not doing this in the church, but maybe in the parish hall? >> Are we going to go through this again?   A church is a building! If you can draw people into said building for whatever reason and they end up returning on another occasion because of = said program/fellowship, and then proceed to worship in said building, do you = not then have a church?   Isn't the purpose of the church to worship the creator? To reach out and educate the community? Hasn't the church always been used as a meeting = hall, community center, performing arts venue, etc.? The Parish Hall is a new invention.   How many of you have used Bach's Toccata in D to show off the organ to = kids and adults, knowing full well that the minute you played the first 3 notes =   the first thing in their minds would be a haunted house or something = scary? Admit it!   I personally find millions of lights, cables, microphones, monitors, = moving platforms, drapes that open and close during the service, and other theatrical devices, not to mention using the pulpit as a political = platform, much more offensive than hearing a program of All Hollows Eve music. What = a wonderful opportunity for the church to explain the story of Halloween to = the community. I bet Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny visit your house and church. Explain that one.   Putting on my asbestos mask.   Kyle B. Irwin   Organist - 1st Baptist Los Angeles - 3/90 Kimball, 2/17 Simpson Organist - Precious Blood Cath. Los Angeles - 2/24 Kimball-Simpson Organist - Forest Lawn Memorial Parks Organist - Roosevelt Memorial Park - 4/17 Wurlitzer Organist - Holy Cross Memorial Park - 2/7 Reuter Regular concert artist - 1st Congregational Church of Los Angeles - 5/346 monster.  
(back) Subject: sacred, secular, Halloween, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc. From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:43:21 -0700   No, as a matter of fact, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny do NOT visit St. Matthew's. The children help with the greening of the church after Advent = IV, then we all have pizza and sing Christmas songs around the piano in the = parish house; we have an Easter Egg hunt, but it's very clearly explained in = Sunday School that the symbolism is that of the egg as new life/new birth, and = the women searching for the Risen Lord in the Garden.   I don't usually agree with the right wing of the Christian church, but in matters pertaining to Halloween, I am ENTIRELY in agreement. It is a = witches' sabbath, and the occasion of unspeakable rites. If you think I'm an = alarmist, look up "the church of satan" in your local phone book. Nor do I usually = agree with Jerry Falwell, but his comments (along with the Pastor of the Baptist = Church in Fort Worth) are entirely true -- the devil is alive and active, and it = is the devil and no other who has inspired these horrific massacres recently. = CHILDREN mowed down in a CHURCH in the midst of singing praises to God ... who ELSE = do you think inspired THAT??!!   Far better to observe the Eve of All Saints' Day as a day of prayer and = fasting (as it was anciently) than to give children a false sense of the = ridiculous about the powers of darkness.   People are converted at St. Matthew's by the power of the Holy Spirit and = the majestic "otherness" of the liturgy, NOT by "watering down" the message = and turning the Church over to secular entertainments in the hopes of "getting = them in the door."   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ concerts and projection TV From: "Richard Pinel" <rpinelchat@musicman123.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:13:33 +0100   >For those interested: > >This sunday afternoon, Sept. 26 at 2pm there will be a concert at the >former Brooklyn Paramount Theater including a close up view of the organist!     As many of you know I went to the Oundle International Organ Festival earlier this year (masterclasses for young organists). At many of the = organ recitals a camera man was there by the console so we had TV. Seeing David Higgs play the Durufle Toccata at Peterborough Cathedral was an experience (from memory too!)   Richard    
(back) Subject: Instrument in The House of God From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:28:21 EDT   Greetings all,   I agree with Kyle on this one. Music in the church building should always =   be done in good taste. Now.... if the building is being used for a religious event: Mass/ Wedding/ etc. - then music must be in good taste = for that event. If the event is a concert - (which by the way conservative members was even done back in the middle ages where the church building = was also a public arena for a multitude of events) -then the music must be in good taste for that event. We are not talking about music which is satanic or devil worship! Phantom and Dance Macabre are fine examples for use at a concert not a mass but we =   aren't talking about having a Fright Night Mass are we ?   For the conservatives here: You can not have your cake and eat it to dear =   friends! If you want only Religious Music in your churches than fine! NO =   more Bridal Choruses by Wagner and Mendelshonn. No more organ pieces = meant for show or concert music -(that means even that Bach works that HE used = for testing organs not for church). No more clapping after postludes. No more pagan composers either - you Anglican Organists "know" the ones I refer = to!   Let's get it together here Ladies and Gentlemen. If we want the Organ, = our instrument of choice, to be popular with people other than our little = group of organ groupies - we must make ourselves and our instruments available = and understandable for audiences!   All the Best,   The Maitre Who uses: Bach / Guilmant / and Soundheim right next to each other in concert - NOT Mass.   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re:Instrument in The House of God and small flaky pastries. From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:17:14 -0400   > that event. If the event is a concert - (which by the way conservative > members was even done back in the middle ages where the church building was > also a public arena for a multitude of events) -then the music must be = in > good taste for that event.   This brings to mind Napoleon. The organists of Paris played nothing but patriotic music for a time--on the organ, IN church. The churches were = also "redecorated" so to speak. It was out with the icons crucifixes, etc, and in with the man whose dessert has a better personality than he did.   > friends! If you want only Religious Music in your churches than fine! >NO > more Bridal Choruses by Wagner and Mendelshonn. No more >organ pieces meant > for show or concert music -(that means even that Bach works that >HE = used for > testing organs not for church). No more clapping after postludes. No = >more > pagan composers either - you Anglican Organists "know" the ones I >refer to!   WHAT??!! No more "In the Garden of Eden"??! AWWWWWWWWW!   You know, every year the week before Halloween, I play T&F in Dmoll. It = has nothing to do with Halloween. It isn't even Bach, and it wasn't even meant for the organ. But since it's been used in creepy movies, etc, etc, so often, that's what people associate it with. Since no one really knows its original purpose, I suppose one could argue (failing, of course) that it = was a sacred piece of music. In either case, I think it's fun. I even wear my costume EVERY YEAR. (Sure, this year I'm going as an angel, but I = -usually- wear my dark and brooding vampire/Dracula cape.   And to top it all off...I'm not even Christian. I'm a Celt. I was Buddhist when I played for the Catholics. I believe in almost everything in Christianity, except for the fact that Christ died for our sins. Since = that is the central concept in Christianity, I am not a Christian. I have been going to church since I was the size of a pea--and Church of the Advent at that!   SO, if everything in church has to be Christianized....that means I can't = be an organist anymore. Hm....maybe I -should- change my major to composition....;)   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Re: Instrument in The House of God and small flaky pastries. From: Ron Natalie <ron@sensor.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:49:26 -0500       Rebekah Ingram wrote: > > > WHAT??!! No more "In the Garden of Eden"??! AWWWWWWWWW! > That's sounds like Rock and/or Roll.   I want you to stay and clean all those pipes you've befouled with our popular music.   -Ron (I used to make out to that hymn).  
(back) Subject: Lectionary Music From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:26:34 EDT   Does anyone know of a list which discusses music appropriate to the lectionary? The pastor of the church were I work is on a lectionary discussion list and often finds hymn suggestions on that list. I'd be pleased to learn what other people propose in anthems and organ = voluntaries to match readings for given Sundays. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Lectionary Music From: WAYNE_BURCHAM@rsausa.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:30:49 -0400       Augsburg and Concordia publish such lists. Any publishing house serving a "liturgical" church clientele would most likely publish such lists.   Wayne Burcham NYC & Milford, PA         JKVDP@aol.com on 09/22/99 04:26:34 PM   Please respond to "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   To: pipechat@pipechat.org cc: (bcc: WAYNE BURCHAM/NYOM/ROYAL-SSD) Subject: Lectionary Music         Does anyone know of a list which discusses music appropriate to the lectionary? The pastor of the church were I work is on a lectionary discussion list and often finds hymn suggestions on that list. I'd be pleased to learn what other people propose in anthems and organ = voluntaries to match readings for given Sundays. Jerry in Seattle   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org                
(back) Subject: Re: sacred, secular, Halloween, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc. From: Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:01:47 -0500   Should have read all the email before responding, Bud. When you wrote   > ...<snip> and it is the devil and no other who has inspired these = horrific > massacres recently. CHILDREN mowed down in a CHURCH in the midst of = singing praises > to God ... who ELSE do you think inspired THAT??!!   According to the Dallas Morning News, when head of the department of = Psychiatry at Parkland Hospital reviewed the past history of the gunman at Wedgewood = Baptist Church, he identified the gunman as having an untreated acute mental = illness, characterised by paranoic delusions and episodes of extreme violence, = which, apparently, were not taken seriously by anyone! As a society in general, = our history of treatment of the mentally ill is so abysmal as to verge on being = sinful! As a society, we the gunman, and as a consequence we let down everyone who was = a victim, those who were actually shot, those who were there, and everyone else. = While the victims certainly did not deserve what they got, as a Society, *WE* got = what we asked for....    
(back) Subject: Re: PIPE SCREAMS - Ride of the Valkyries From: HensonMark@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:00:55 EDT   In a message dated 9/22/1999 10:46:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mahopper@bellsouth.net writes:   << mahopper@bellsouth.net >>   Is this published? Where can I get a copy? I would love to try it on my 2 manual/pedal reed organ.   Henson Markham  
(back) Subject: video music From: Icorgan@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:35:25 EDT   Hi all, I searched back into last week's postings for the orginal message = regarding the_maitre's postings on video music, but failed to find it, but I think I =   get the drift. It reminded me of who might perhaps be the originator of = this idea. Back when I was in high school, Percy Grainger came to play with our =   community orchestra (the Grieg, of course). At that time he was in his = early 70s and no longer sprightly, and apparently he could no longer depend on = his memory. He invented a contraption which consisted of a large wooden box = that sat on the piano in place of the music rack. It had a roller at the top = and bottom, and the entire piano score of the Concerto was written out on a = large scroll. This was all connected to a pedal on the floor. When he needed to =   see more music, he pressed the pedal and the next several lines rolled = into view. It must certainly have been less distracting than having a page = turner next to you all the time. Especially the ones who insist on beating time. = (Which reminds me of another page turner story, but maybe I'd better not = tell it in the presence of women).   Even though my present organ has a transposer and midi capability, this is =   one contrivance I don't think I would accept UNLESS it allowed me to watch = a good movie during the sermon :). Would this contraption be like MTV (used = to be)...would Bach be dancing about the screen in tight pants and no shirt (perish the thought!)?   I've managed to conquer most page turns in one of two ways: photocopy and = cut and paste as needed. Pieces which are only 3 pages long I simply copy the = 3 pages on only one side and spread them out. (I use a loose-leaf notebook.) = The other idea I picked up from E. Power Biggs. If there is a good page = turn earlier on the page (doesn't happen often) but not the end, cut the page = in the middle and turn the top half there. Turn the bottom half after you've =   gone to the top of the next page. Of course, you have to be sure there's a =   good page turn there for the bottom half or you could end up with some = very strange repetitions.   One last thing in this long post. Some of you asked to be kept advised of = my situation at First Baptist regarding the minister. Only two weeks after = she declared in her sermon that she didn't believe in paying musicians, she = told me one Sunday that the Board of Ministries would be voting that day to = start paying the choir director who has been working gratis for the past two = years. I should tell you that the minister's original reason for not bringing in musicians from the University and paying them was that she was afraid the wouldn't be religious (holy?) enough to perform in our church. Thank God =   she doesn't know me any better than she does or that I was firmly = entrenched there before she arrived.   And so another year begins at FBC, and her hootenany group is playing next =   Sunday, so it will be an easy day for me. I still get paid full salary, = but I could sure use that video music rack ;) Maynard