PipeChat Digest #1089 - Thursday, September 23, 1999
 
Re: video music
  by <prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net>
All Hallows - Pipe Screams
  by "dgoward" <dgoward@intsvc.com>
Re: All Hallows - Pipe Screams
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Re: Lectionary Music
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
RE: recovering the sense of the sacred
  by "Ruth" <theraven@sympatico.ca>
Re: Instrument in The House of God
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Lectionary Music
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: Halloween
  by "N Brown" <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
The Episcopal Musician's Handbook
  by "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com>
Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
non-Christian organists in Christian churches
  by "bud" <budchris@earthlink.net>
Re: All Hallows - Pipe Screams (long)
  by "mreeves@vzinet.com" <mreeves@vzinet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: video music From: prswank@impop.bellatlantic.net Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:23:32 -0400   Maynard, Your idea of watching a good movie during the sermon, got me to thinking = about the lost opportunities I had at the church from which I just retired. The organ console is located in a balcony above and to the left as you = face the altar. It is surrounded by slanted wooden slats, so that the organist = cannot see what is going on at the altar. The church provided convex mirrors, but = this didn't help with my bifocals. So I put a TV camera in the balcony at the = rear of the church hooked up to a small transmitter which "broadcast" the picture = on channel 17 (an unused channel here). I put a small color TV on top of the console, and voila! I had a picture of the entire altar area. This wasn't = an original idea with me, as I have seen it in use at Oxford University. It = had not dawned on me to switch channels during the sermon, and see what the = competition down the street was doing in their service, or see a Lucy rerun. Ah well...If I had only known.   Paul R. Swank (Retired But Not Out)   Icorgan@aol.com wrote:   > Hi all, > I searched back into last week's postings for the orginal message = regarding > the_maitre's postings on video music, but failed to find it, but I think = I > get the drift. It reminded me of who might perhaps be the originator of = this > idea. Back when I was in high school, Percy Grainger came to play with = our > community orchestra (the Grieg, of course). At that time he was in his = early > 70s and no longer sprightly, and apparently he could no longer depend on = his > memory. He invented a contraption which consisted of a large wooden box = that > sat on the piano in place of the music rack. It had a roller at the top = and > bottom, and the entire piano score of the Concerto was written out on a = large > scroll. This was all connected to a pedal on the floor. When he needed = to > see more music, he pressed the pedal and the next several lines rolled = into > view. It must certainly have been less distracting than having a page = turner > next to you all the time. Especially the ones who insist on beating = time. > (Which reminds me of another page turner story, but maybe I'd better not = tell > it in the presence of women). > > Even though my present organ has a transposer and midi capability, this = is > one contrivance I don't think I would accept UNLESS it allowed me to = watch a > good movie during the sermon :). Would this contraption be like MTV = (used to > be)...would Bach be dancing about the screen in tight pants and no shirt > (perish the thought!)? > > I've managed to conquer most page turns in one of two ways: photocopy = and cut > and paste as needed. Pieces which are only 3 pages long I simply copy = the 3 > pages on only one side and spread them out. (I use a loose-leaf = notebook.) > The other idea I picked up from E. Power Biggs. If there is a good page = turn > earlier on the page (doesn't happen often) but not the end, cut the page = in > the middle and turn the top half there. Turn the bottom half after = you've > gone to the top of the next page. Of course, you have to be sure there's = a > good page turn there for the bottom half or you could end up with some = very > strange repetitions. > > One last thing in this long post. Some of you asked to be kept advised = of my > situation at First Baptist regarding the minister. Only two weeks after = she > declared in her sermon that she didn't believe in paying musicians, she = told > me one Sunday that the Board of Ministries would be voting that day to = start > paying the choir director who has been working gratis for the past two = years. > I should tell you that the minister's original reason for not bringing = in > musicians from the University and paying them was that she was afraid = the > wouldn't be religious (holy?) enough to perform in our church. Thank = God > she doesn't know me any better than she does or that I was firmly = entrenched > there before she arrived. > > And so another year begins at FBC, and her hootenany group is playing = next > Sunday, so it will be an easy day for me. I still get paid full salary, but > I could sure use that video music rack ;) > Maynard > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: All Hallows - Pipe Screams From: dgoward <dgoward@intsvc.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:30:06 -0700   You say: What =3D a wonderful opportunity for the church to explain the story of Halloween to = =3D the community.   I say:   Personally, I don't think the church has any business celebrating Hallow 'een. What "story of halloween" would you explain?   You say: I bet Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny visit your house and church. Explain that one.   I Say; Nope -- sure don't. But even so, there's a long stretch from fuzzy bunnies to ghosts and vampires, don'tcha think?   Dennis Goward            
(back) Subject: Re: All Hallows - Pipe Screams From: TheOrganst@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:25:17 EDT   First of all, there was no mention whatsoever, about Halloween in the original post regarding music suggestions. You jumped on that one. There = was also no mention of the word "celebrating." The association of Halloween = and Vampire's appears to be your association. Is it not up to the individual = to associate one thing with another? Is it not up to the parents and church = to teach the correct associations?   Second, I pity the children whose parents try to shelter them from such wonderful spirits as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Such a harmless yet =   beautiful tradition that children and adults look forward to year after = year. As for Vampires, did you ever know one that lived? Did you ever see a = movie in which one survived? Didn't the sign of the cross ALWAYS win? And wasn't =   the organ ALWAYS used as background music?   Let's get back to what this forum is all about. The Organ. The most = awesome instrument ever created by man, used by man, perfected by man and used to glorify God, used to thrill millions of people during the silent movie era =   and used by masterful musicians to create some of the most beautiful music =   ever put on paper.   Kyle B. Irwin    
(back) Subject: Re: Lectionary Music From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:43:08 -0400   At 04:26 PM 9/22/99 -0400, Jerry in Seattle wrote: >Does anyone know of a list which discusses music appropriate to the >lectionary? The pastor of the church were I work is on a lectionary >discussion list and often finds hymn suggestions on that list. I'd be >pleased to learn what other people propose in anthems and organ = voluntaries >to match readings for given Sundays.   If you mean Internet list services, Anglican Music considers music choices for particular days a legitimate topic (Hi, Bruce! ;^)). I can't find my FAQ right now, but it's linked to some AGO Web sites.   if you mean paper lists, Church Publishing Corp. publishes Hymnal Studies V, and The Living Church publishes The Episcopal Musician's Handbook. The latter is available in better music stores.   Hope this helps.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted From: Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:11:38 -0400   Hello List:   I'm the newly appointed Minister of Music at St. Dunstans Epispocal (sp) church in Succasunna, NJ. Small choir and toaster of dubious lineage.   What I need is any suggestions anyone has in worship planning resources. It seems that, for the first time in my organist career, the Rector is actually asking my opinion about hymns.   In the UM church, they published a guide that coorelated the lectionary propers to the hymnal, which was a good starting point for that sort of thing.   Is there anything like this for the Episcopal church?   And just how in the heck do you spell Epispocal anyway?     Charles    
(back) Subject: RE: recovering the sense of the sacred From: "Ruth" <theraven@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:17:25 -0400       But, I would think that the Postlude should be as much an act of Worship, as the Prelude, Hymn, or Anthem. Even the Sermon...and I don't see a congregation walking out on the Sermon when the "preacher" gets to the concluding points...they may be asleep, but, they don't walk out. The postlude can be such a powerful point of punctuation to the Service.     So, That is the difference in my church...Our choir sings a song at the end of the service. For this the congregation sits and listens..always. Our postlude is specifically played for the congregation to leave, keeps the spirit up, and the sanctuary still "holy". I guess every church is a little different. It seems to take our "guys" forever to clear out. :) Ruth    
(back) Subject: Re: Instrument in The House of God From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:51:07 -0700       > (snip)   > For the conservatives here: You can not have your cake and eat it to = dear > friends! If you want only Religious Music in your churches than fine! = NO > more Bridal Choruses by Wagner and Mendelshonn.   Precisely. They are forbidden at St. Matthew's.   > No more organ pieces meant > for show or concert music -(that means even that Bach works that HE used = for > testing organs not for church).   Of Bach's Preludes and Fugues, I play the ones associated with chorales = (the 9/8 C Major - Allein Gott ... there are others, but they escape me at the = moment) and the E Flat Major (The Clavieruebung, the Holy Trinity). But I rather = follow Schweitzer's interpretation that ALL the preludes and fugues are rich in orthodox Trinitarian religious symbolism and therefore entirely = appropriate before and after Mass. But, given my present instrument, for the most part = I play the chorale preludes ... I presume no one has a quarrel with that = (except B.C., of course, who doesn't like chorale preludes ... but that's another argument) (grin).   > No more clapping after postludes.   Unheard of at St. Matthew's.   > No more > pagan composers either - you Anglican Organists "know" the ones I refer = to!   No, I don't ... please enlighten me (grin). Other than Bach, most of the composers I play are DEVOUT French Roman Catholics. And the choir sings = mostly chant, and anthems whose texts are based upon Holy Scripture, as the Book = of Common Prayer requires. I suppose a pagan composer <might> have snuck into = the latter, but somehow I doubt it.   > Let's get it together here Ladies and Gentlemen. If we want the Organ, = our > instrument of choice, to be popular   Is "popular" our object, or the leading of the worship of Almighty God?   > with people other than our little group > of organ groupies - we must make ourselves and our instruments available = and > understandable for audiences! > > All the Best, > > The Maitre > Who uses: Bach / Guilmant / and Soundheim right next to each other in > concert - NOT Mass. >   Interestingly enough, this whole topic came up unbidden after Evensong = tonight, specifically that even though our present chapel is temporary and = therefore not solemnly consecrated, the Bishop (or his deputy, the Vicar General, who in = this case is our Rector) will still have to come and secularize it before we = turn it back over to the landlord when we move into the new church next year. But, = for the present, church, altar, pews, organ, floors, walls, ceiling, light = fixtures, books, vestments and linens, etc. are "FOREVER SET APART FOR THE WORSHIP = OF ALMIGHTY GOD". What part of "forever set apart" don't y'all understand? = That means that if ANYTHING in that church -- altar, pews, organ, floors, = walls, ceiling, light fixtures, books, vesments, linens, etc. are offered for = sale OR TURNED TO ANY SECULAR USE WHATSOEVER, they lose their consecration AND ARE PROFANED; they then must be RECONSECRATED before they can be returned to = sacred use, and THAT INCLUDES THE ORGAN. The Office of the Blessing of a Church = Organ makes that ABUNDANTLY clear. Of course, everything but the floors, walls = and ceilings will go with us to the new church.But what remains must be de-consecrated nonetheless.   For those of you whose churches and organs are NOT set apart solely for = the worship of Almighty God, "have it your way", as the burger commercial = says; but for me and mine, "We will serve the Lord", as the PSALMIST says.   No offence taken, and none intended; St. Matthew's is not your usual = mainline protestant church.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Lectionary Music From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:59:27 -0700   Jerry, if you're RC, G.I.A. Inc. in Chicago has everything in the world = ... books, calendars, software, etc. with organ music, anthems, hymns, = Scripture references, etc. for the RC Lectionary. If you're Episcopalian, The Living Church Foundation in Milwaukee (?) publishes The Choirmaster and = Organist's Handbook with everything needed (and cross-referenced) for the new = Anglican Lectionary.   Cheers,   Bud   JKVDP@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone know of a list which discusses music appropriate to the > lectionary? The pastor of the church were I work is on a lectionary > discussion list and often finds hymn suggestions on that list. I'd be > pleased to learn what other people propose in anthems and organ = voluntaries > to match readings for given Sundays. > Jerry in Seattle > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted From: Evelyn Rowe <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:00:55 -0400   At 11:11 PM 9/22/99 -0400, Charles wrote: >Hello List: > >I'm the newly appointed Minister of Music at St. Dunstans Epispocal (sp) >church in Succasunna, NJ. Small choir and toaster of dubious lineage. > >What I need is any suggestions anyone has in worship planning >resources. It seems that, for the first time in my organist career, the >Rector is actually asking my opinion about hymns. > >In the UM church, they published a guide that coorelated the lectionary >propers to the hymnal, which was a good starting point for that sort of >thing. > >Is there anything like this for the Episcopal church? > You must be very new, because I just answered the same question a couple = of hours ago. There are two resources: Hymnal Studies V, which is published by Church Publishing Corp. (the same outfit that prints the 1982 Hymnal), and The Episcopal Musician's Handbook, published yearly by _The Living Church_ magazine. Both should be available at your diocesan bookstore or better music = stores. >And just how in the heck do you spell Epispocal anyway? > You got it right the first time.   I gather you are new to the Episcopal Church. If you expect to be around for a while, you might inquire of the management whether they are = currently offering the Leadership for Parish Musicians course through the diocese. it's a two-year course (one Saturday a month, typically) designed to turn people with some music training into church musicians and church musicians with no Episcopal background into people who can pick out hymns and = service music. I'm in the middle of it now. Last year we studied Liturgy, Hymnology, and organ playing (I already knew how and ended up being the demo for the others). This year we are doing a vocal practicum, service music and philosophy of church music (I think -- one of the instructors couldn't make it to our first session). It costs $350 a year, plus about $300 for books, but your parish might pick up the tab.   Evie   mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:09:43 -0400 (EDT)   Charles, There is a "Church Musicians Handbook" produced, I think, by The Living Church. It is probably your best resource.   My old fashioned suggestion, however, is to read through the hymnal constantly and become familiar with all of the texts. Then read the appointed Scripture passages. I think you will find that hymn texts will start popping into your head as you read. It really isn't that much trouble to read all of the hymnal. In the long run, it is the far quicker and more efficient method, methinks.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Halloween From: Innkawgneeto@webtv.net (N Brown) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:14:40 -0400 (EDT)   Friends, as I so seldom do, I am landing squarely in between the 2 viewpoints on this issue. Let me explain. I can't stand the fact that Halloween is a 3 day holiday here in Toms River. Mischief nite is on the 29th, because Trick or Treat is on the 30th, because the largest parade on the eastern seaboard falls on 31st. I can't stand the fact that I have to CANCEL rehearsals when Halloween falls on rehearsal nights. I do it because no one will come anyway. I have a hard time w/ the feeling I get driving thru our (and other) neighborhoods when the decorations on houses are virtually outstripping Chmas in abundance. It's down right creepy. But, in our little, tiny mission church in upstate New York where I was pianist at age 7, we had a haunted house in the old dank basement of the old dank farmhouse we were using as a place of worship. I invited a neighbor family to come to the event. They soon became dedicated Christians and devoted church members, all except papa. Well, when I went back to visit the same area in 1992, everyone knew who Papa was. He had been a pillar in the church for years and years. So, Mr. Reeve's point is worthy. My problem is that Halloween has taken on such a "dark" feeling that I no longer have much patience w/ the whole thing. But I do have 2 small boys that get a year's worth of sweets every trick/treat excursion. It's hard to be Scrooge when you escort 2 Power Rangers around the neighborhood. For what it's worth... --Neil   Better caught than taught. . .better taught than not.    
(back) Subject: The Episcopal Musician's Handbook From: "Roy Wilson" <royjaneann@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:22:41 PDT   There is "The Episcopal Musician's Handbook" available. The 42 edition = is out and being used now. Beginning with Advent, the 43rd edition for year = B and Daily Office Year 2 will be available It is $18.95 per copy plus $3.00 shiping and handling from The Living Church P.O. Box 92936 Milwaukee, WI 53202-0936   If one of the local churches has a book store, you can order it through them. Your rector may be able to get a special price. There is surely an =   800 number, but I can't find it.     Roy Wilson Lubbock, TX     >From: Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted >Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:11:38 -0400 > >Hello List: > >I'm the newly appointed Minister of Music at St. Dunstans Epispocal (sp) >church in Succasunna, NJ. Small choir and toaster of dubious lineage. > >What I need is any suggestions anyone has in worship planning >resources. It seems that, for the first time in my organist career, the >Rector is actually asking my opinion about hymns. > >In the UM church, they published a guide that coorelated the lectionary >propers to the hymnal, which was a good starting point for that sort of >thing. > >Is there anything like this for the Episcopal church? > >And just how in the heck do you spell Epispocal anyway? > > >Charles > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Protestant Epispocal Worship resourses wanted From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:28:57 -0700   The Choirmaster and Organist's Handbook, the Living Church Foundation, Milwaukee (?) ... ads in all the Episcopal papers and magazines.   Cheers,   Bud   Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug wrote:   > Hello List: > > I'm the newly appointed Minister of Music at St. Dunstans Epispocal (sp) > church in Succasunna, NJ. Small choir and toaster of dubious lineage. > > What I need is any suggestions anyone has in worship planning > resources. It seems that, for the first time in my organist career, the > Rector is actually asking my opinion about hymns. > > In the UM church, they published a guide that coorelated the lectionary > propers to the hymnal, which was a good starting point for that sort of > thing. > > Is there anything like this for the Episcopal church? > > And just how in the heck do you spell Epispocal anyway? > > Charles > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: non-Christian organists in Christian churches From: bud <budchris@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:43:49 -0700       Rebekah Ingram wrote:   > (snip) > > And to top it all off...I'm not even Christian. I'm a Celt. I was = Buddhist > when I played for the Catholics. I believe in almost everything in > Christianity, except for the fact that Christ died for our sins.   And THAT, friends and neighbors, along with the physical resurrection of = Jesus, is the whole point.   > Since that > is the central concept in Christianity, I am not a Christian. I have = been > going to church since I was the size of a pea--and Church of the Advent = at > that!   How sad, if you mean THE Church of the Advent in Boston. They must NOT be = doing SOMETHING right.   > > > SO, if everything in church has to be Christianized   As one Bishop said when General Convention wanted to take the Trinitarian blessing out of the Marriage Service (for fear of offending the = Unitarians), "Whose Prayer Book IS it anyway?" A Christian Church is ipso facto a = Christian Church, of whatever jurisdiction or flavour.   > ....that means I can't be > an organist anymore.   Not necessarily, but, with respect, I wonder if you could really put your = heart (and soul) (grin) into leading the Body of Christ in that place through = the Church's Year of Grace. Perhaps you might consider the Unitarians ... they usually pay well, and you can do literally ANYTHING for music, from opera = scenes to Broadway musicals to ballet to ...   > Hm....maybe I -should- change my major to > composition....;) > > -Rebekah >   I have, on various occasions, served churches outside my usual = RC/Anglican/LCMS orbit, but I've never been very comfortable doing it. In my present = position, I can't IMAGINE a non-Anglican KNOWING everything that has to be known, = and/or taking the time to learn it if he/she WASN'T Anglican.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: All Hallows - Pipe Screams (long) From: mreeves@vzinet.com (mreeves@vzinet.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:22:44 -0000   It's been a 12 hour day for me (actually closer to 19) so forgive me if my response to this argument isn't rational. However, I did not intend to spark a debate. And, as stated earlier, my programs are primarily focused on the saints, past and present, which is why I title the programs thusly: "PIPE SCREAMS: An Organ Recitation for All Hallow's Eve" ...to me the message is clear, and the focus is on "saintly" things, especially of = church musicians (e.g. JSB). The majority of the program is of sacred music. = My doing "Phantom..." is done only as a result of an influx of "special requests" from members of a congregation that I serve, and love. We are definitely a Bible Belt congregation, good or bad, but, it is a loving congregation...ruled by, and serving the Almighty God, Creator.   The church doors are wide open on All Hallow's Eve, during the program, = even though, the drone of vehicles can be heard in the Sanctuary, as we are on the town's main drag with lots of "trick-or-treaters" walking up and down the street, and I have some of our "church parents" and some kids standing out front, handing out candies, with an invitation to come inside for a = few moments to hear the organ. Yes, it's noisy, and not ideal for a program. The readings I use, are not Poe's short stories, or anything that exhorts = in ungodly things...But, there was a story, once I read, about a son who had died, and mentions a visitation to the mother of a departed soul, and how = it comforted the mother...   Eventually, I want to have everybody in costumes, of Saints. And, if my memory serves me, the RC church incorporated many pagan ceremonies into = the church, such as Christmas...I believe it had something to do with trees. With the goal of bringing the pagans into the church? Or, at least, = trying to make "church" more palatable to the "unchurched." One should check one's history before coming to conclusions. It was the RC church that incorporated these pagan "holidays" and conscientiously applied a = Christian Holiday (HOLY DAY) to correspond with these pagan events. The same was done with All Saints...but, in Protestant churches, it may have skipped = that one, and that's all I try to do, is spark a remembrance of All Saints, rather than being surprised on All Saints Sunday. Since, per our = Calendar, All Hollow's Eve precedes "All Saints Sunday"...   ....assuming that I do it to "frighten" little children and make Halloween more scary is a reflection of one's own false assumptions rather than = giving one a Christian examination. Besides I have ample enough opportunity to "scare" the congregation every Sunday morning, but, it's not in my heart = to do anything other than to demonstrate the glory, and majesty of God, = which, as a mediocre-organist-musician, is done as best I can do.       Mark Reeves, Dir. of Music/Organist mreeves@vzinet.com First UMC - Canton, Texas http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch02328   Personal quote: "Music is the common language of heaven and earth" = (MWR)