PipeChat Digest #1100 - Wednesday, September 29, 1999
 
Re: Church Latin pronunciation
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Ode To Joy....
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Shoot the Singer!!!
  by "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com>
"Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
"Come, sing a song of joy....." addendum
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." addendum
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "bruce cornely" <rohrschok8@webtv.net>
Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....."
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Shrine Music Assistant Position- Last Call! (x-post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Church Latin pronunciation From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:56:31 -0400   There's a very useful book by Harold Copeman, called "Singing in Latin", which goes so far as to give different pronunciations for Latin from different time periods and places- 16th century English Latin, 18th = century French Latin, etc. I did the Byrd 4-part Mass a couple of years ago, and found some of the changes to be rather surprising and quite effective. It did take some work to get the singers to agree, but it was worth it.     Paul Opel     http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Ode To Joy.... From: Ron Natalie <ron@sensor.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:29:10 -0500       Carlo Pietroniro wrote: > > Ron, Mandy and list, > > thanks but that's not what I was looking for. I said = the > lyrics I was looking for are sung to the tune of HYMN TO JOY, they're = not > the words for "Joyful, Joyful"; those words everyone has. Anyway, = someone > found the right ones. Thanks for trying. >   I believe at least a Variant of what you're looking for was kicking around my house (but it must be over at my parents or at my sister's who inheritted the piano we grew up with) in a John Brimhall simplified piano book of inspirational songs (we are talking the Ode to Joy from Beethoven's 9th?), the book also had "Put your hand in the hand..." in it.   At the time (mid 70's) the song was real popular with school choruses. You might try a local music store or JW Pepper or someone who specializes in that sort of music.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:52:35 -0400 (EDT)   >you really need me to show you how those > words fit to that tune? I did ask nicely!! ;-)   > Play around with the music and you'll see. I did play around with the music and it got worse.   >The important thing here is that I asked for >help and I got it. The other important thing here is that after YOU got help you refused to reciprocate. ;-(   > Once again, pipechat (it's members) provided > me with what I was looking for. Yes.... and turn-about is fair play.   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: runyonr@muohio.edu (Randolph Runyon) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:04:33 -0700   >>you really need me to show you how those >> words fit to that tune? >I did ask nicely!! ;-)   Yes, Carlo, please help us out here. The first line, for instance, seems to be missing a syllable. Kinda starts out on the wrong foot (or with one poetic foot missing).   Let's not have a Bad Day at Black Rock, as it were.   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian, Cincinnati      
(back) Subject: Re: Shoot the Singer!!! From: "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:06:52 PDT   >Have you ever had someone in your choir who really gets on your nerves? >Well >here's the time to get your own back!!! >I found this the other day!!: >http://www.joecartoon.com/games/index.html >Do "Shoot the singer", then do the other 2, they get more and more funny!   Richard [You "devil" you ;} ]   If my choir ever gets me this angry, I will quit!   Rev. E.D. edwardorgan@hotmail.com   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:20:18 EDT   Greetings,   well, if you really need me to show you how to fit those words to HYMN TO JOY, then I'll do my best. I thought you'd all be able to =   play around with the words and music and come up with it on your own. The easiest way to show you would be to sing it to you, but we all know that's =   impossible. Since the music is slightly changed, it would be more of an arrangement of HYMN TO JOY and not actually the exact hymn, note for note. =   All attempts to fit the words to the hymn as written will be in vain. Just =   change the first 2 eighth notes to a half notes in the first system and do =   the same in the fourth system, assuming that the copy of HYMN TO JOY that you're looking at is the standard 4-system copy. Now, after doing that you'll all be able to fit the 1st verse. Then the last 2 systems repeat using the next 2 sentences. Then there are 4 more lines, which would be a second verse. That's the best I can do. I hope for your sake that my explanation helps.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: "Come, sing a song of joy....." addendum From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:23:31 EDT   ooops............I should have written "the first 2 quarter notes changed = to a half note"..............sorry.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:56:51 -0400   BRAVO, BROTHER BRUCE! HIT HIM AGAIN!   Alan   ---------- >From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely)   > The other important thing here is that after YOU got help you refused to > reciprocate. ;-(  
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:50:27 EDT     >BRAVO, BROTHER BRUCE! HIT HIM AGAIN! > >Alan   Greetings,   thank God not all the list members are as "nice" as Alan.   Carlo   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:20:02 -0000   Bruce and all inchoirers - From a casual glance, it looks like if you replace the first 2 quarter notes of each phrase with a half note, it will work.   JOHN          
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:36:17 -0400 (EDT)   > Since the music is slightly changed, it would > be more of an arrangement of HYMN TO JOY > and not actually the exact hymn, note for > note. Duh! Which means it is no longer "Hymn to Joy." That explains alot!!   > All attempts to fit the words to the hymn as > written will be in vain. Hence, the reason we were seeking your assistance.   > Just change the first 2 eighth notes to a half > notes in the first system and do the same in > the fourth system, assuming that the copy of > HYMN TO JOY that you're looking at is the > standard 4-system copy. Excuse me, but does not the "standard 4-system" HYMN TO JOY consist of mainly quarter notes, there being 1 eighth note in system one, 1 eighth note in system two, 4 eighth notes in system three, and 1 eighth note in system 4. Are you sure, YOUR GRACE, that you have the CORRECT TUNE???   > That's the best I can do. I hope for your sake > that my explanation helps. We appreciate your effort, but now more fully understand the problem. ;-)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." addendum From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:40:30 -0400 (EDT)     >ooops............I should have written "the first 2 > quarter notes changed to a half note" > ..............sorry. Sorry indeed! Too little, too late!! ;-)   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: rohrschok8@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:41:48 -0400 (EDT)     >BRAVO, BROTHER BRUCE! HIT HIM AGAIN! Thanks, Alan, More to come.... we're feeling frisky tonight!! ;-) ----------   bruce cornely ~:~:~ rohrschok8@webtv.net gainesville, florida    
(back) Subject: Re: "Come, sing a song of joy....." From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:45:18 EDT   Greetings,   ALLELUIA!!! Someone who thinks on his feet....   Carlo   >Bruce and all inchoirers - From a casual glance, it looks like if you >replace the first 2 quarter notes of each phrase with a half note, it = will >work. > >JOHN     ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Shrine Music Assistant Position- Last Call! (x-post) From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:41:43 EDT   We will finalize resume choices and begin inviting candidates for = auditions and interviews starting next week. If anyone still has an interest in = this position, please send your materials to me at the address below = immediately as well as an email to let us know that your materials are being sent.   Thank you.   Scott F. Foppiano, Director of Music and Liturgical Coordination National Shrine of the Little Flower 2123 Roseland Avenue Royal Oak, MI 48073