PipeChat Digest #1545 - Friday, August 4, 2000
 
Re: old anthems from Australia (X-posted)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Residence organ for sale
  by "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com>
Re: old anthems from Australia (X-posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Overhead Soldering
  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by <ORGANUT@aol.com>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Overhead Soldering
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OHS - Immac. Concept.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: old anthems from Australia (X-posted) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:45:35 +0800   You can have a feast of Caleb Simper, Bob. B.E   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 02:22 PM 8/2/2000 -0700, Bud-by-the-beach wrote: > >There Is No Sorrow, Lord, Too Light - Arthur E. Godfrey<snip> > > Lyrics start off with, "Howahya, howahya, howahya...", and is scripted = to > be sung only by choristers with one lung. > > (Let's see who the old farts are in here that get THAT one!) > > >Ye That Stand In The House Of The Lord - Walter Spinney > > ...both organ AND choir are to be picked up and played through a Leslie > speaker. > > When's the "Victorian Anthem Fest" gonna be held at "St. > Matt's-by-the-Burger King", BuD? hehehe! > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Residence organ for sale From: "Erik Johnson" <the_maitre@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:19:58 EDT     >Just spritz some maple syrup aroma into the air and you TOO can have that >Estey "Noo England" atmosphere in YOUR house! > >DesertBawB >   Considering Tom and I hauled this thing out of a church barn in Athol, MA = - you may get the mouse droppings and nests that were in the windchests as well! I helped Tom for over a year on this organ, which we nick-named = "the beast" - because it was!   Erik ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: old anthems from Australia (X-posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:27:45   At 07:45 PM 8/3/2000 +0800, you wrote: >You can have a feast of Caleb Simper, Bob.<snip>   No thanks...I'm on a diet! hehehehohohohohahaha!   dB  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:03:49 -0700 (PDT)   Re: Immac. Concep. Boston.   Isn't that the locale where the Jesuits tried to demolish everything in the upper church to turn it into office and living quarters? I don't recall ever reading that the organ had been saved.   Ohmer Lost in Bartlesville   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:51:39 -0700   The organ was saved; the interior of the church wasn't. But an OHS member is now Pastor, so at least the organ's safe for the time being. Noack did some restorative repairs on the organ ... don't know what that amounted to.   Cheers,   Bud   Stephen Ohmer wrote:   > Re: Immac. Concep. Boston. > > Isn't that the locale where the Jesuits tried to > demolish everything in the upper church to turn > it into office and living quarters? I don't > recall ever reading that the organ had been > saved. > > Ohmer > Lost in Bartlesville > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:53:22   At 12:03 PM 8/3/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Isn't that the locale where the Jesuits tried to >demolish everything in the upper church to turn >it into office and living quarters? I don't >recall ever reading that the organ had been >saved.<snip>   The IC Hook/Hook & Hastings is a pretty famous instrument, and attempts to dispose of it would certainly meet with serious challenges. Not being Baaaaahstonian, I can't be sure, but the church itself I believe holds a cultural landmark status in the city. Last I heard, some restorative work has been done on the organ, probably with Lahaise involved, whose family has maintained the organ since new. There was a report on this list no long ago about the supposed hopeful future of the IC organ, but I can't remember who posted it. The upper church is an architectural gem of the period in itself, and is worth saving on its own merits. It's a shame to see the upper church sit cold and empty, but such is the price of urban development and suburbanization.   In other news, St. Vibiana's Cathedral in Los Angeles has been = successfully wrested away from catholic control, and will be repaired and used as a concert venue. What happened/will happen to the Wangerin installed there isn't clear, although it was never noted as any sort of exceptional instrument, nor was the cathedral architecturally outstanding. The surrounding area is LA's Skid Row; whether this venue will be a success will depend a lot on cleaning up the surroundings, as well as how well the building in converted.   I've not heard a word about another Jesuit "mission" parish, Blessed Sacrament in Hollywood, home of a nice Casavant once presided over by Richard Keyes Biggs. Supposedly, the parish has dragged their feet on repairing earthquake damage tot he organ caused by the '94 quake, and is more interested in providing 'mariachi masses' for illegal aliens. This = is another formerly prestigious catholic parish in decline, and the church, rebuilt in 1953 from the original, is looking pretty shabby on the outside last time I was there. My mother's family had been parishioners there since 1919. As a youngster, Mom attended many a recital by Biggs and = other luminaries of the era.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:05:04   At 12:51 PM 8/3/2000 -0700, you wrote: >The organ was saved; the interior of the church wasn't.<snip>   Distressing news, indeed, about the interior. I was a link to another age and quite beautiful.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Overhead Soldering From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:58:05 -0400   Can anyone offer tips on overhead soldering? Even attempting to hold the iron as level as possible, I seem to drip as much solder as I use. Bob -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green      
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: <ORGANUT@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:34:43 EDT   In a message dated 08/03/2000 5:59:23 PM Central Daylight Time, rkinner@one.net writes:   << Can anyone offer tips on overhead soldering? Even attempting to hold the iron as level as possible, I seem to drip as much solder as I use. Bob -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green >> Bob, Overhead soldering is extremely dangerous! A very good way to lose an = eye or get a very severe burn on your face. Be sure to wear a face shield. = Is there any other way you can do this?   Later, Phil L.  
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:51:37 -0500   At 8/3/00 06:58 PM, you wrote: >Can anyone offer tips on overhead soldering? Even attempting to hold >the iron as level as possible, I seem to drip as much solder as I use. >Bob     Bob --   Sounds like you're applying the solder-wire to the tip of the hot iron in order to melt it onto the joint. This will cause the problem you mention (lots of dripping hot metal) and also decrease substantially your chances of getting good electrical connections.   The solution: use the iron to heat the joint (pin/terminal/wire/whatever) to the point at which the solder will melt when applied to *it* -- trying not to feed the solder against the iron itself. (Theoretically, you = should be able to heat the joint, remove the iron from contact with it, and immediately apply the solder wire and still result in a good clean connection.)   This will ensure that the solder will flow neatly into the joint, = providing a good electrical connection and also decreasing the chance of excess solder dripping away (as the connection will hold enough solder to make a secure junction).   If you *are* in fact doing this, it just sounds like you're trying to = apply too much solder for whatever connections are being made.   Hope this helps --   Tim   PS -- I presume you've already realized that it isn't wise to position *yourself* directly underneath said overhead connections while making them...<g>! The stuff will occasionally drip anyway, no matter how = careful you are!    
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:00:49 -0700   Tim Bovard is quite right about not applying solder directly to the iron. But if at all possible, don't do any overhead soldering! If you're working on a bottom board, remove it. That may take a little time, but will be safer, and easier.   I've never come across an instance (and I've worked on several organs over the years) where it wasn't possible to dismount whatever needed to be soldered.   That's not to say there won't be exceptions but your face, eyes and the quality of the work will all thank you for taking things apart wherever possible and soldering them in a more "normal" and safer manner.   Ray    
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:35:39 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 3-Aug-100 Overhead Soldering by Bob Kinner@one.net > Can anyone offer tips on overhead soldering? Even attempting to hold > the iron as level as possible, I seem to drip as much solder as I use.   Brings back a painful memory: UNsoldering the primary of an A-S chest in Calvary, Gramercy Park NYC in '57, a drop of solder fell off a magnet lead and settled in the bend of my arm. I was so tightly wedged in place that I could only watch it burn its way in. The 'beauty mark' is still there. A-S gave me a Purple Pitman for that (yeah, right!) Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:25:10   At 06:58 PM 8/3/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone offer tips on overhead soldering?<snip>   Overhead?? Hmmm. Well, one thing to remember is to heat the WORK, not = the SOLDER. You didn't say what you are soldering, but same rules apply for all types. Only feed enough solder to properly coat the work; any more = is wasted. If you are using a separate flux, only flux the work that needs solder, and the solder, when it reaches a plastic state, will readily flow there and not down the iron. Also, apply solder only to the work, not the iron. Use enough heat on the work to melt the solder to its plastic state easily, and then add more to have it flow over the work completely. Spilling solder on the floor is usually a sign of using too much solder = and heat.   Back in my phone company days, one could always tell when there was a new "frame jockey" working the old solder lug distribution frames...there = would be solder splashes all over the floor!   DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:06:55 -0500     >Lots of good tips on soldering techniques....{1) HEAT THE WORK....not the =   >solder...and the work will melt the solder and give you a good joint. >Somehow I don't think that message ever got to the old time Barton >installers....and the organs developed a malady called >"Barton-itis"...lots of cold solder joints and dead junction connections     Boy DeserTBob...ya must be old....didn't ma bell quit soldering back in = the dark ages and go to punch blocks....now you want to see a real mess find a =   punchblock that someone has soldered.   >Back in my phone company days, one could always tell when there was a new >"frame jockey" working the old solder lug distribution frames...there = would >be solder splashes all over the floor! > >DeserTBoB > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Overhead Soldering From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:49:38   At 09:06 PM 8/3/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Boy DeserTBob...ya must be old....didn't ma bell quit soldering back in = the >dark ages and go to punch blocks<snip>   Hey! Let's watch that "old" crap!   Many offices retained their solder lug frames into the '80s, which was the end of analog carrier systems and switches. The change away from solder happened in the mid 1960's, after an exhaustive Bell Labs study found that soldering wasn't the best method of sealing a connection from the atmosphere, and recommended going to wirewrap. Wirewrap frames started going in almost immediately from that time on. "Punch block" frames started showing up in the late 1970's, notably the "COSMIC" frames and others. Punch blocks were used previous to this time on key systems and PABX work, but never on large central office frames.   Experience did show wirewrap to be superior overall to solder, and far = less hazardous to both craftspeople and service. A properly done wirewrap connection is easily as mechanically sound as a properly soldered lug, = and also effectively seals out atmosphere from the contact point as well, = also. The earliest wirewrap frame I worked on was installed in 1963, and many = of its original connections still functioned well into the '90s. It was no secret to any of us that worked inside large toll offices that the #1 = cause for service interruptions on distribution frames was solder splashes from someone working elsewhere. Why the organ industry still uses solder lugs is beyond me; the technology has been obsolete for a long, long time.   One thing most people that haven't had formal electrical/electronics training never understand: solder is NOT a conductor...it is a sealant. What is required before any good solder job is a good metal-to-metal contact between wire and lug BEFORE solder is applied. Another item the Bell Labs study found was that inexperienced technicians sometimes would use molten solder like a "glue", holding loose, poor connections to the lug. This would cause "cold" joints, intermittant contact, "rosin" = joints, and other problems. If the connection isn't good enough without solder, addition of solder isn't going to "fix" it! It is just going to hide the problem...for awhile, anyway!   I remember working on a toll frame in Los Angeles that was originally installed when the building was built in 1925. Hardwood and porcelain blocks, which were standard until molded wirewrap blocks came in in the '60s. One had to be careful about tracing jumpers on such a frame. All = of the cloth insulated "frame wire" used until the 1950s was treated with arsenic to eliminate rodent infestations, which, while rare, did happen in some places. An unwritten directive existed throughout the Bell System back then: "NEVER put frame wire in your mouth!" Of course, after working on such a frame, one would dutifully take a bathroom break to wash ones hands and arms! How many "frame jockeys" that died over the course of years due to arsenic poisoning was never revealed.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:00:23 EDT   In a message dated 8/3/00 4:06:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << I was a link to another age and quite beautiful. >>   hahahahaha Freud..... call your office!!!! Gee, Bob!!! You might = have a few more problems than we realized. oh heeheehee... need more wine!!!   Bruce .. . . .in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles Molly, Duncan, and Miles Cremona502@cs.com HOWLING ACRES: http://ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS - Immac. Concept. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 22:28:26   At 01:00 AM 8/4/2000 EDT, you wrote: >oh heeheehee... need more wine!!!   AHA! I KNEW it! TrackerBackers be DRUNKS!   hohohohohehehehehahahahateeheeheeheehee!