PipeChat Digest #1554 - Friday, August 11, 2000
 
Guilmant Sonata
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Guilmant Sonata
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan C
  by "John Andrews" <tonal@connect.net.au>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare  HammondOrgan 
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Hammond G-100
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
non-overhanging keys
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Hammond Spinets
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Hammond G-100
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hammond G-100
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan C
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Hammond Spinets
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare  HammondOrgan 
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Iowa Theatre Barton Concert This Sunday (x post)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan C
  by "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net>
Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare  HammondOrgan 
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Guilmant Sonata From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:11:17 -0400   The Guilmant Sonata played at St. Hyacinthe Cathedrale le Confesseur in Quebec last year at the OHS was "Premiere Sonata in re mineur, Opus 42" From Judy Ollikkala, who played the hymn at that beautiful church on the Opus 482 1912 4M. Casavant rebuild of Opus 8 from 1885 which was a 3M. 38 stop organ. Imported Cavaille-Coll reeds were retained in 1912. The original organ in the old church was a Joseph Casavant c1859 rebuild of an 1828 English organ. Incidently, I attended the RCCO-FQAO Convention in Quebec City the last week of July this year, a report will follow when I have time to write = one.  
(back) Subject: Guilmant Sonata From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:10:50 -0400   There was indeed an error made in the OHS Handbook, pointed out to me by Jean-Guy Proulx, organist of the program. The Reboulot piece was a short one played from the front console, only the two pieces were played after the hymn. Reboulot was Proulx's teacher, still alive and in his eighties. I can't find my handbook either! Here somewhere. I will be at the OHS Boston Convention on Tuesday and Wed. August 22 and 23rd. Helping with buses, of course!! Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "John Andrews" <tonal@connect.net.au> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:13:02 +1000   'evenin' all...   In an interview with George Wright concerning his relationship with Jesse Crawford, George described his visit to Jesse at J's New York apartment. Seems "the man" had a Concert E. Must say at least a little about its desirability?   Cheers, John Andrews Sydney... the Arts End of the World   ----- Original Message ----- From: <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare = HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!)     > For those who've never seen one, here's a Hammond Concert Model E, about as "pipey" as Hammond got until the G-100 of 1964. You can't really see them, but this baby's even got the old Kimball sliding rod swell shoe indicators, one for Great, one for Swell! Four toe studs, too! > > NOTE: Ownership of one of these OR a G-100 is a prerequisite for HamGod status over on the HamTech list! > > Title of item: Rare Hammond Organ Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) > Seller: info@bborgan.com > Starts: Aug-09-00 11:36:03 PDT > Ends: Aug-16-00 11:36:03 PDT > Price: Starts at $50.00 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D405275755 > > > Item Description: > Rare Hammond Conert E model. This Gothic Style organ was in production from July 1937 to July 1942. Comes with bench and 32-note concave detachable pedal board. It has separate adjustable temulant control for both keyboards. What also makes this organ special is that it has two expression pedals and presets for the pedal board. This organ came out of = a little church in Minnesota. It has some dings and scratches. Works well, = but could use TLC. Feel Free to E-mail me for additional information. High bidder pays actual shipping cost. I can help with shipping arrangements. = I will take a money order, personal check, Visa or Mastercard. > *** Special note: This organ was retrofitted with SMOOTH DRAWBARS!!!!!! > > > > > > Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:16   At 12:13 AM 8/11/2000 +1000, you wrote: > >Crawford, George described his visit to Jesse at J's New York apartment. >Seems "the man" had a Concert E. >Must say at least a little about its desirability?<snip>   Jesse was always fond of Hammonds, and did a lot of promotional work for the Hammond Co., as well as arrange many folios of sheet music for Hammonds. George Wright himself was also no stranger to Hammonds, playing them on radio and television for years. George Wright owns one of the first Leslie Model 30 "Vibratone" speakers, and would cart it around with him when doing radio work. George's broadcast work provided Don Leslie with tons of free advertising, and started the Leslie craze. Leslie's ElectroMusic NEVER spend a dime on advertising; all sales were made by reputation and audition.   The Model E is indeed the most desireable of the tonewheelers for real organists, save the G-100. The only thing that bugs me to this day about playing Hammonds (other than the G-100, H-100, and the X models) is the non-overhung manuals with the "pinanar" keys. Hammond nuts these days crave the "waterfall" keys; I hate 'em! The E, the RTs and the G-100 were the only AGO pedalboard equipped organs that Hammond ever built. The G-100, in its "off-the-shelf" Klann console, is quite comfortable to play, has dual swells and a crescendo, full pistons and toe studs, a "floating" antiphonal division that can play from the Great (I'd use this as a "floating" Choir)...but are just plain butt ugly!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Hammond G-100 From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:23:29 -0400   Bob,   I have a G-100, and it is a very BIG console, and a bit on the "butt ugly" side, but I love this organ. It's almost like a Hammond that's not a Hammond. The first time I ever played one of these, I thought it was an Allen!!! BTW, what the H-100 like?   Carlo  
(back) Subject: non-overhanging keys From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:28:10 -0400   my Baldwin C-116-E has those kind of keys too. They are a bit annoying, = but they're not THAT bad. It looks a bit weird, compared to most other organs.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Hammond Spinets From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:34:23 -0400   don't some of the smaller spinet models have the "regular" type of keys....the ones that have an overhang? When one of my organs was being serviced, the place loaned me a Hammond L-102 to use, although I didn't = need it, it was part of the deal. I teach organ in my home. The technician told me that in order to clean the contacts, they use a type of toxic solution, and they couldn't do the work in my home, so they had to take the organ to their workshop. The loaner organ was a cute little instrument with a very big sound. I was very impressed with it.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond G-100 From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:53:01   At 01:23 PM 8/10/2000 -0400, Carlo Pietroniro wrote: >BTW, what the H-100 like?<snip>   The H-100 series was one of the few (X-66 and X-77) consoles to provide additional harmonics, sometimes known as the "mixture" drawbars. Placed above the traditional 1' drawbar, there were two, designated "I" and "II". The "I" drawbar gave approximations of 7th and 9th harmonics (with the higher one at half power relative to the lower), and the "II" yielded the 10th and 12th. The tonewheel generator was also extended about half and octave, to 96 notes. This made a BIG difference in the tonality of the Hammond, and some fairly good "reedy" tone could now be made. Tonally, = the H-100 was a compromise of what Hammond found out with the G-100, namely they knew they needed more harmonics, but wouldn't go to the expense of = the HUGE (144 tone) generator of the G-100. Thus, the 7th harmonic in the H-100 and X-77, being in tune with the traditional "Ham-burger" temperament, is pretty much off pitch. They didn't even try for the 11th, which would have wound up being almost 49 cents flat! The G-100, on the other hand, used many extra tonewheels just to provide truer pitched harmonics, including the 11th, which in this model is almost right on pitch. Thus, in many cases, the H-100 and X-77 can ALMOST do what the G-100 does, but not quite. The H-100 was a "home" console, with the usual "flat 25", but with overhanging manuals, known to Hammond-heads as "diving board keys". The H-100 and X-77 also included many preprogrammed percussion voices as well as pedal bass sustain, neither of which were = very reliable. The organs were the last gasp at tonewheel technology, and were gone with the rest of them by 1974.   DeserTBoB Concert Model E, H-111, and some Leslie spinny things  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond G-100 From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:14:04 -0400   what I love about my G-100, is the fact that is has "real" stop-tabs....no drawbars!!! It has all the traditional stops, including mixtures, = mutations and a 32-foot pedal stop. Pistons, chimes, antiphonal, seperate expression (great/pedal & swell), crescendo pedal with indicator lights, pistons, toe studs. *drooling* I love this organ. The only thing I don't like.....it weighs a TON!!!!!!!!   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:15:08   At 01:34 PM 8/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: >don't some of the smaller spinet models have the "regular" type of >keys....the ones that have an overhang?<snip>   Yes...the L- and T-series "schpinettes". bReWsE, are you listening? In "console" models, the E-, H-, J-, K- and X-series organ all had overhangers. All earlier Hammond consoles used either "piano" keys (up until about 1951), or "waterfall" keys, piano keys with rounded front edges, preferred by most Hammond players. The L-100 "schpinette" was a tonewheel organ, but had an electronic vibrato system in place of the normal capacitive scanner system, and are not liked much by most Hammond = nuts.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:59:28 +0800   There was a Hammond in a music shop in my town. 61 note manuals, and a = pedal board which had nearly the full complement of keys (27?). I don't know the = model but the shop keeper encourage us to go in and play during business hours = so that potential customers could hear it. There were pre-set stop tabs as well as drawbars. I remember one was labelled "Brass". It sounded great. Bob E.   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > don't some of the smaller spinet models have the "regular" type of > keys....the ones that have an overhang? When one of my organs was being > serviced, the place loaned me a Hammond L-102 to use, although I didn't = need > it, it was part of the deal. I teach organ in my home. The technician = told > me that in order to clean the contacts, they use a type of toxic = solution, > and they couldn't do the work in my home, so they had to take the organ = to > their workshop. The loaner organ was a cute little instrument with a = very > big sound. I was very impressed with it. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:15:30   At 07:59 AM 8/11/2000 +0800, you wrote: >There was a Hammond in a music shop in my town. 61 note manuals, and a= pedal >board which had nearly the full complement of keys (27?).<snip>   25. This is not a "schpinette". One of those things usually sports offset 44 note manuals and 13 "donkey dong" pedals.   >I don't know the model >but the shop keeper encourage us to go in and play during business hours so that >potential customers could hear it. There were pre-set stop tabs as well as >drawbars. I remember one was labelled "Brass". >It sounded great.   Hmmmm...doesn't sound like any of the tonewheel organs. OK, so we have a "home" console with tongue tabs, one called "brass". Multi-colored tabs, perchance? Fairly conventional furniture styling? Lots of miscellaneous tabs and buttons? If so, I'd be willing to bet it's an old LSI Elegante. Can you hear anything running inside? The geartrain in a tonewheel Hammond, while quiet when oiled properly, can always be heard if you listen closely.   LSI Hammonds could indeed sound really pretty good. It was their quality of assembly and design that did them in; they were service nightmares. Some of the most ardent "wheelheads" in Hammondom have admitted to playing the old Elegante and enjoying it! LSI Hammonds used "bright wave" technology, a fancy way for saying that there were other things besides sine waves available for tone production. The first electronic drawbar Hammond to use "bright waves" was the X-66, which only used 12 tonewheels to act as master frequencies, =E1 la most other divider organs. Downstream from these were fairly conventional divider circuits, which robbed the Hammond of one of its tonal features. That feature was the clutch arrangement of each individual tonewheel.   All the tonewheels are designed to slip slightly upon startup, thus making it easier for the start motor to get the whole assembly up to speed. Thus, the octaves of a tonewheel Hammond are never in the same phase relationship each time the organ is started up. This is why Hammonds are known to sound ever so slightly "different" every time you play them.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:20:54 -0400   At 11:15 AM 10/8/00 +0000, Bob Scarborough wrote: >At 01:34 PM 8/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >don't some of the smaller spinet models have the "regular" type of > >keys....the ones that have an overhang?<snip> > >Yes...the L- and T-series "schpinettes". bReWsE, are you listening? M-100s also had diving boards.   For the BreWsE-esque daredevil in all of us, head straight to the =   LSI schpinettes with "Mommmmm!!!! Billy put the Crayolas in the blender agaaaiinnnn!!" boom-chaka-boom-tiddy-boom sections. With super-seductive names like Romance, Cougar and Maverick, it's only a matter of time before =   you'll find yourself helplessly gyrating across the music room, bad toupee =   glued to chest, belting out "It's Not Unusual". (PLEASE NOTE: if you or any member of your household are known to be the type of singer whose favorite position is "piano scarf", schpinnette space restrictions make = the similarly keyed and Lucky Charms-buttoned Elegante console the organ of choice.)   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:54:15 -0500   In Re: cheap Hammond craftsmanship.   We had a Concorde in the shop for service (one of several). The particleboard case was coming unglued, falling apart and very wobbly, the circuit board-holder slots were flopping around- the thing was just a = piece of junk which I think sold for about $10.000 in the mid-70s.   Rick          
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:59:10 -0500   Speaking of GW, I have a pic of him in the studio-set of General Hospital- surrounded with piano, a Conn spinet, a few electronic keyboards, and wearing headphones.   Kewl pic.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Spinets From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:10:11   At 10:54 PM 8/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >We had a Concorde in the shop for service (one of several). The >particleboard case was coming unglued, falling apart and very wobbly, = the >circuit board-holder slots were flopping around- the thing was just a = piece >of junk which I think sold for about $10.000 in the mid-70s.<snip>   Indeed. The LSI Hammond were but one line of cheesily built models and brands that helped to destroy the home organ market. Many people lay the blame on this one changes of musical tastes, but there were MANY people = who bought these turkeys in the '70s, and after living with them for awhile, vowed never to buy another organ. All of the home organ brands...Hammond, Wurlitzer, Thomas, Kimball, Lowrey, and to a lesser degree Conn...fell in step with the "build it cheaper, sell it for more/less product for more price" philosophy pioneered by General Motors with their 1971 automobile line. This "quick road to profits" was touted as being the cure-all for ailing industries at the time, and was taught in seminars and even in vaunted business schools, and stressed engineered-in economies over engineering.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:15:11   At 10:59 PM 8/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of GW, I have a pic of him in the studio-set of General = Hospital- >surrounded with piano, a Conn spinet, a few electronic keyboards, and >wearing headphones.<snip>   One thing about George...he'd play ANYTHING! Even "schpinettes" didn't bother him; he'd just do what he could with the things. He was actually fussier about the make of pipe organ he'd play. He had an aversion to Mortons, Kimballs and Bartons, and always preferred the WurliTzer. Sometimes I think this tacit "endorsment" of WurliTzers by Wright over the years that prompted LATOS to trash the Wiltern Kimball, instead of keeping this treasure. A silly choice, indeed, as Kimballs are quite rare and tonally interesting indeed. One does gets tired of "too much WurliTzer" over a period of time!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Iowa Theatre Barton Concert This Sunday (x post) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:50:48 EDT   I am very excited to announce that I have been invited by the Cedar Rapids =   Theatre Organ Society and Cedar Rapids Barton Inc. to play a concert this Sunday afternoon, August 15 at 2:00 pm.   The concert will be at the Iowa Theatre and the organ is "The Rhinestone Barton" which is actually a Wangerin-Barton, 3 manuals and 14 ranks and is =   QUITE a "make you sit up and take notice" organ! It is very exciting on = the recording and friends who have played it say that it is even MORE rockem-sockem in person. Personally, I am extremely excited about this = one because I bought Ron Rhode's CD of this organ about 10 years ago and have always wonted to play it. This Sunday will be a dream come true for me!   The Iowa Theatre is at the corner of 1st Avenue and 3rd Street S.E. in downtown Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Tickets may be purchased at the door.   I must thank David Kelzenberg for getting me in the door for this one = (thanks Dave!) I can't wait! If any of you are in the area, please come by for = some fun music and a really jazzy organ. And if you do- by all means- please = come up and say hi afterward. Thanks!   Future performances include: Pittsburgh (The Benjamin Robertson = Residence) in September for the annual "Make A Wish" concert, Rochester's Auditorium Theatre in October, Dickinson High School for DTOS in November 18 and St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC Nov 19 and the Riviera Theatre in North = Tonawanda, NY in December. (Exact dates to be posted later since my calendar is at = the church).   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "Ray Thursby" <raythursby@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:40:33 -0700   DeserTBoB wrote: "Sometimes I think this tacit "endorsment" of WurliTzers = by Wright over the years that prompted LATOS to trash the Wiltern Kimball, instead of keeping this treasure."   While I am in total sympathy with the BoBster's "too much Wurlitzer" comments, and personally have no great love for LATOS and some of the boneheaded moves they've made over the years, it's my understanding that = the Kimball (a gorgeous instrument) didn't go back into the Wiltern Theatre because the "restorers" of the place wanted to use the organ chambers for various electronic gadgets relating to stage operations....   LATOS did start out to install a Marr & Colton (from Warner's Hollywood) = in Pasadena Civic Auditorium before the donation of the Foort Moller brought that plan to an abrupt halt. And they did sanction the installation of a Barton in the Wilshire Ebell, so they have not been complete slaves to the "Wurlitzer Only" crowd.   It probably would have been better for the Kimball if it had been in = another part of the country. LATOS managed to lose several good instruments over = the years, and through a shortage of volunteer labor ultimately turned to professionals to install the Pasadena City College and Ebell organs.   There's no doubt GW preferred Wurlitzers, though he did play concerts on = at least three Mortons I know of during his concert days. Still, he did tell = me that he liked the sound of the Wiltern organ but felt it wasn't suited to his playing style. Undoubtedly true!   Strange, though: Some of the pipework in GW's Pasadena studio wasn't Wurlitzer....   Ray    
(back) Subject: Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#405275755: Rare HammondOrgan Concert E (LOW RESERVE!) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:52:44   At 10:40 PM 8/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Strange, though: Some of the pipework in GW's Pasadena studio wasn't >Wurlitzer....<snip>   ....and probably wasn't his! <snarf!>   dB