PipeChat Digest #1558 - Monday, August 14, 2000
 
Re: Need address
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Need address
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Organs by indigenous builders of West Australia
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: You have to check this out!
  by "Norman Chapman" <normanchapman@hotmail.com>
Re: Need address
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Need address
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
builders in DC area
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Need address
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
ears, hearing
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: ears, hearing
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: builders in DC area
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Need address
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
RE: Need address
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: ears, hearing
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
Pedal Tibia - Free to Good Home
  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>
Re: builders in DC area
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: ears, hearing
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedal Tibia - Free to Good Home
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: builders in DC area
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Update 8/13
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
What's new on the RTOS website (x-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: builders in DC area
  by "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com>
Re: Need address
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
I'll be back!
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: ears, hearing
  by <Posthorn8@aol.com>
I'm a gonner....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: I'm a gonner....
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Need address From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <lon.hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:07:35 -0400   At 22:54 13/08/2000 -0400, Evie wrote >I am trying to find the location of the Lively-Fulcher Organ Company,     They have an office in Alexandria Va. You could email Paul Fulcher at fulcher@chesapeake.net They have a least two other newish instruments in the Alexandria, McLean = area.   HD      
(back) Subject: Re: Need address From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 06:07:55 +0100   >I am trying to find the location of the Lively-Fulcher Organ >Company, which did some stellar work in the Washington area a few >years ago (trackers at St. Matthew's R.C. Cathedral and at St. >Mary's Episcopal Church, Arlington, electrified at St. Patrick's in >the City). A priest that I'm doing some supply work for this summer >has put out an RFP for a small-to-medium organ and found the >response from the local builders to be underwhelming. If you know >of any other outfits besides DiGennaro-Hart (which I'm also >suggesting) that are within commuting distance of DC, I'd like to >hear about them, too. The current instrument is a heavily duplexed >and unified Lewis & Hitchcock, probably from the 50's, and on its >last legs: the 16's weren't sounding on B flat, B natural, and C at >the middle of the pedalboard, which is, uh, limiting.   Evie   If you check the AIO Web Site I think you will find an address for them in the Members list. Http://www.pipeorgan.org   David    
(back) Subject: Organs by indigenous builders of West Australia From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:42:13 +0800     I had a request regarding the stoplist of an unusual organ in this state   (West Australia). There are some builders here whose work has never been   seen outside the country so maybe there could be some interest. I'll post one and if there is interest could follow it up with several more.   ST JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH - PERTH CITY. BUILDER: Paul F. Hufner's last and biggest. All except three of his organs are in this state. DATE: 1991. GREAT: Subbass 16 Bourdon 16 Geigen diapason 8 Holz Flote 8 Dolce 8 Lieblich gedecht (fr. sw.) 8 Oktav 4 Lieblich flote 4 12th 2+ Mixtur III Trumpet 8 Sw to gt Sw to gt. 4' pos to gt   POSITIV: Gemshorn 8 Koppel flote 8 Dolce 8 Prinzipal 4 Flote 4 Nazard 2+ Gemshorn 2 Sifflote 2 Dolce 2(ext) Terz 1 3/5 Larigot 1 1/3 Oktavlein 1 Zimbel III Krummhorn 8 sw to pos sw to pos 4' gt to pos.   SWELL: Weit prinzipal 8 Lieb. gedacht 8 Gamba 8 Celeste 8 Prinzipal 4 Lieb. Flote 4 Nazard 2+ 15th 2 Piccolo 2 Gamba 2 Larigot 1 1/3 Octavin 1 29th 1/2 Bassoon 16 Oboe 8 Clarion 4 tremulant Sw. Octave coupler   PEDAL: Subbass 16 Bourdon 16 Geigend Bass 8 Bass Flote 8 Dolce 8 Prinzipal 4 Flote 4 12th 2+ Flote 2 Trombone 16 Bassoon (sw.) 16 Trumpet (gr) 8 Krummhorn (pos.) 8 Krummhorn (ext) 4 gt to ped sw to ped pos to ped   Action el. mag. and el. pn. with solid state capture system. El. mechanical stop action. Double touch cancel on all stop keys. In spite of the size of this organ use is made of extension.   The use of German stop names is unusual in this state, but the builder is of German extraction. He built more organs in this state than any other builder, more than one third of the state's organs were built by him..           -    
(back) Subject: Re: You have to check this out! From: "Norman Chapman" <normanchapman@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:41:55 GMT   Ron: Thanks for replying to my message which I sent to Mr. Petronomin--that's not exactly the name of the gentleman from Montreal but =   something like that. I didn't think I had sent YOU a message about = problems I was experiencing getting messages in TWO places --ONE IS MY BULK MAIL = area and THE OTHER IS WHAT I think of as my "NON-"bulk mail--The problem is probably something that I have done without realizing it--I'm wondering if =   it could be that I am simply collecting TOO MANY MESSAGES in my bulk mail area--.     >From: RonSeverin@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: You have to check this out! >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:54:23 EDT > >In a message dated 8/13/2000 1:50:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Cremona502@cs.com writes: > ><< http://www.zing.com/album/?id=3D4293769297&code=3D369203&mode=3Dinvite = >> >Hi Bruce: > >The hounds are darling! > >Ron > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Need address From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:26:48   At 06:07 AM 8/14/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>I am trying to find the location of the Lively-Fulcher Organ = Company<snip>   I'm sorry...I'm STILL trying to keep my composure here...."Lively Felcher Organ Company", eh? Hmmmmmmmm....   I have, as usual, an accompanying wav for this...e-mail for it.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Need address From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:30:20 EDT   In a message dated 8/13/00 10:55:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, efrowe@mindspring.com writes:   << If you know of any other outfits besides DiGennaro-Hart (which I'm also suggesting) that are within commuting distance of DC, I'd like to hear about them, too. The current instrument is a heavily duplexed and = unified Lewis & Hitchcock, probably from the 50's, and on its last legs: the = 16's weren't sounding on B flat, B natural, and C at the middle of the pedalboard, which is, uh, limiting. >>   First of all, not to minimize the problem, but all 16s not sounding on B-flat, B natural and C is a relatively simple, albeit, very annoying problem. Many organs on their "last legs" are simply not maintained. Unfortunately, there are few people around who will make up for this = neglect at a reasonable price, thinking that it will be the only money they get = out of the church for a long time.   My next comment, regarding a builder within commuting distance of DC, = is... don't limit yourself in that way. In this age of mass transportation = there is little reason not to consider builders from all over the country. If = we did that in Florida, nobody would have a decent organ! There are some wonderful builders around, small shops, who can and will do a wonderful = job for you at a competitative price. Check out ALL your options. This is a =   big decision and should not be approached conveniently.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: builders in DC area From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:44:00 -0700       > In a message dated 8/13/00 10:55:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > efrowe@mindspring.com writes: > > << If you > know of any other outfits besides DiGennaro-Hart (which I'm also > suggesting) that are within commuting distance of DC, I'd like to hear > about them, too. The current instrument is a heavily duplexed and = unified > Lewis & Hitchcock, probably from the 50's, and on its last legs: the = 16's > weren't sounding on B flat, B natural, and C at the middle of the > pedalboard, which is, uh, limiting. >>   Check out Rich Schneider at:   arpncorn@davesworld.net   He's in the cornfields (as in "Arp in the cornfields") of Illinois, but = I've been favorably impressed with what I've heard of his organs; others who = have worked with him say he's a GENIUS at making something viable out of = second-hand bits and pieces of this 'n' that, AND at revoicing "experienced" pipework.   For the "high-priced spread", isn't Taylor and Boody in Staunton, VA?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Need address From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:33:08 -0500   Bruce makes a good point. What a poor scene we'd have if there were no cross pollination among builders and geographic areas. Think of the modestly wonderful Walcker at St. Luke's in Manhattan, the Mander in Pittsford, our Buzard in Oklahoma City and numerous other examples of instruments outside their builders' hometowns and even countries. Houses like these, as well as others like Nichols & Simpson, Goulding & Wood, and so on might be able to work wonders in your space and even with the = existing pipework.   Peter   Bruce Cornely opined:   In this age of mass transportation there is little reason not to consider builders from all over the country. If = we   did that in Florida, nobody would have a decent organ! There are some wonderful builders around, small shops, who can and will do a wonderful = job for you at a competitative price. Check out ALL your options. This is a =   big decision and should not be approached conveniently.    
(back) Subject: ears, hearing From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:01:59 -0500   Just a couple of questions from a hard of hearing person. (I have never had normal hearing.)   Do electronic organs tend to be slightly painful on the ears compared to real pipes? even with good ears? (electric pianos seem worse yet)   Do people who are hard of hearing tend to like organ & choral music more often than people with very exceptional ears?   From my experience, the answers seem to be yes. just wondering if it's just my vivid imagination.   Luther lmelby@prtel.com    
(back) Subject: Re: ears, hearing From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:36:56   At 01:01 PM 8/14/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Do electronic organs tend to be slightly painful on the ears >compared to real pipes? even with good ears? >(electric pianos seem worse yet)<snip>   They certainly can be. Back in the early days of e-orgs, all signal was routed into a single, monaural channel, powered by a tube amplifier ot dubious design. Distortion was rampant. Hamonic distortion, especially odd ordered harmonics, which can be caused by various component nonlinearities, can either falsely "brighten" tone quality, or make it = seem "reedy". The real bugaboo is the accompanying intermodulation distortion. In a nutshell, what happens here is that when two or more frequencies are sent through a non-linear device, the output contains those two frequencies, plus "sum and difference" frequencies caused by = non-linearity. Add more tones, infinately more "sum and difference" products. This can be extremely non-musical when much over 1% of the total signal. Add to these electrical problems the non-linearity of loudspeaker components, and you've got some real distortion reaching the ear, the most obnoxious of which is intermodulation distortion. Some earlier builders tried to address IM distortion by separating adjacent frequencies in a "C-C#" arrangement (Gulbransen), and this was found to help a bit. Other upper-crust builders started to use high fidelity amplifiers and speaker components, as well as "channelize" different tonal families (Allen, for one), and this helped more, plus helped ot create a "spatial" illusion, more closely mimicking the prototype.   Many early manufacturers, like Hammond, actually depended on the harmonic distortion in their audio chains to try to add harmonic interest to the resulting tone. Indeed, cheap speakers were usually used, not only = because of their price, but their ability to add harmonics. Electric gee-tar players know this all too well; a high fidelity driver in their electric gee-tar box yields a dull, boring tone.   Another issue with earlier organs was the use of single, "full range" drivers to cover the entire spectrum. Let's look, if you will, at a cone loudspaker producing a sine wave at, say, 64 Hz, approximately the bottom of the manual at 8' pitch. The cone tries to follow the input sine wave from the amplifier at this frequency. Now, let's add a much higher frequency, non-harmonically related to the low CC. The higher frequency "rides" on top of the lower, as the cone moves back and forth, alternately getting close and further away from the listener. This is Doppler distortion, sometimes called Phase Modulation Distortion, and causes a "smearing" of high frequencies that, while not being easily recognized by the ear, is nonetheless unpleasant to listen to. The audio industry learned early on, in the large systems used for early "talkies", the value of using separate drivers for lower and higher frequencies, and thus, the "woofer" and "tweeter" were born. Years later, system with as many as = five different types of drivers to cover just certain areas of the total bandwidth were tried, but phase distortions caused by crossover networks, whether passive or active, caused a similar problem, only electrically instead of acoustically.   Things have changed greatly. Most high quality digital organs use high fidelity audio systems, the performance of which was unimaginable in the 1950s. All harmonic synthesis is carried out in the tone generation portion of the organ itself, and not anywhere else, as it should be. I'd dare say that the best of "pipeless" organs today are as easy to listen to as their piped prototypes, although perhaps not tonally or acoustically = the same in all cases.   >Do people who are hard of hearing tend to like organ & choral >music more often than people with very exceptional ears?<snip>   It's no secret that many folks with an appreciation for a wide spectra of tonal output have always loved the organ. I can't say the same about choral music. In the infancy of the high fidelity market in the '50s, organ records were some of the best sellers, as "audiophiles" would use them to demonstrate that thundering 32' bass, and the spatial stereo stage that some of the organ recordings of the time provided.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: builders in DC area From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:04:36 -0400   Yes.   > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:44:00 -0700 > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>, "Schneider, > Richard"<arpncorn@davesworld.net> > Subject: builders in DC area > > For the "high-priced spread", isn't Taylor and Boody in Staunton, VA? >    
(back) Subject: RE: Need address From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:44:18 -0400   Sorry, guys, the memory of a certain organ-building project where several truckloads of parts were shipped from one coast to another and we housed the entire installation crew at an apartment/hotel for six months is still =   fresh in my mind. If I end up having any kind of long-term arrangement with this parish, I don't want them to spend one nickel on installation support that could be spent on parts and labor.   At 12:33 PM 8/14/00 -0500, Peter Storandt wrote: >Bruce makes a good point. What a poor scene we'd have if there were no >cross pollination among builders and geographic areas. Think of the >modestly wonderful Walcker at St. Luke's in Manhattan, the Mander in >Pittsford, our Buzard in Oklahoma City and numerous other examples of >instruments outside their builders' hometowns and even countries. Houses >like these, as well as others like Nichols & Simpson, Goulding & Wood, = and >so on might be able to work wonders in your space and even with the = existing >pipework. > >Peter > >Bruce Cornely opined: > > In this age of mass transportation there >is little reason not to consider builders from all over the country. If = we > >did that in Florida, nobody would have a decent organ! There are some >wonderful builders around, small shops, who can and will do a wonderful = job >for you at a competitative price. Check out ALL your options. This is = a >big decision and should not be approached conveniently. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Need address From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:00:46 -0500   When we installed Buzard Opus 20 two years ago, volunteers unloaded the truck, the crew were hosted throughout the months' long project in parishioners homes, and others took turns entertaining "our guys." Many friendships were formed. The instrument is shown to visitors with great pride and anecdotes about what "I" did to help bring it to fruition. To = us as a congregation, this was an essential part of acquiring the new organ. = I cannot imagine being without it.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn Rowe [mailto:efrowe@mindspring.com] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 2:44 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Need address     Sorry, guys, the memory of a certain organ-building project where several truckloads of parts were shipped from one coast to another and we housed the entire installation crew at an apartment/hotel for six months is still =   fresh in my mind. If I end up having any kind of long-term arrangement with this parish, I don't want them to spend one nickel on installation support that could be spent on parts and labor.   At 12:33 PM 8/14/00 -0500, Peter Storandt wrote: >Bruce makes a good point. What a poor scene we'd have if there were no >cross pollination among builders and geographic areas. Think of the >modestly wonderful Walcker at St. Luke's in Manhattan, the Mander in >Pittsford, our Buzard in Oklahoma City and numerous other examples of >instruments outside their builders' hometowns and even countries. Houses >like these, as well as others like Nichols & Simpson, Goulding & Wood, = and >so on might be able to work wonders in your space and even with the existing >pipework. > >Peter > >Bruce Cornely opined: > > In this age of mass transportation there >is little reason not to consider builders from all over the country. If we > >did that in Florida, nobody would have a decent organ! There are some >wonderful builders around, small shops, who can and will do a wonderful = job >for you at a competitative price. Check out ALL your options. This is = a >big decision and should not be approached conveniently. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: ears, hearing From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:07:16 EDT   To my ears, listening to Allen's Mixtures is like hitting yourself over = the head with a hammer.....if feels so damned good when you stop.   Tim  
(back) Subject: Pedal Tibia - Free to Good Home From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:21:08 -0400   We have just added several ranks of a removed pipe organ to our toaster. We have two remaining items that we cannnot use due to space limitations, and would like to offer them FOR FREE to anyone who will come to the church and pick them up.   1) 16' Tibia Clausa, wood, CCC 10.5" x 12.5" (14" including ears and beard) outside, 44 notes, with chests (3) 2) 3m console, rolltop, electric drawknobs, setterboard combo - very nice   The chuch is located just north of Cincinnati and is easily accessable from I75.   Bob -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green      
(back) Subject: Re: builders in DC area From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:30:47 EDT   Hey..   Austin Organs Inc. of Hartford CT is not too far away. Phone (860) = 522-8293.   Bill Hesterman  
(back) Subject: Re: ears, hearing From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:36:54   At 05:07 PM 8/14/2000 EDT, you wrote: >To my ears, listening to Allen's Mixtures is like hitting yourself over the= =20 >head with a hammer.....if feels so damned good when you stop<snip>   But what vintage? Remember, Allen's analog "mixtures" and "mutations" were unified from the unison generator ranks in all but the most prestigeous custom built models. Sometime this tuning faux pas makes all the difference. On the digitorgs, the voicing may not have been done properly, or at all. Some Allen dealers are notorious for "throwing them in" like Hammond (and M=F6ller, and Kilgen) did in the '50s. Proper installation of any e-org requires voicing work, and this can be quite time consuming, especially on old analog designs where filter work and other discrete compoenent fabrications may have to be made. Thus, many dealers are wont not to do it at alll to preserve profit margins, already quite healthy.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedal Tibia - Free to Good Home From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:42:19   At 05:21 PM 8/14/2000 -0400, you wrote: >2) 3m console, rolltop, electric drawknobs, setterboard combo - very >nice<snip>   Make/model of console, please, photo if you have it and how much you need to get out of it. There's a Ryder truck going right by you (well, Ohio Pike; can go south) that has room for a 3 m console in the back. Also, dimensions!   Thanks!   Bob Scarborough desertbob  
(back) Subject: Re: builders in DC area From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:47:44   At 05:30 PM 8/14/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Austin Organs Inc. of Hartford CT is not too far away.<snip>   Indeed, and a builder of the highest reputation, devoid of any of the questionable "retro-fad" tendencies of some of the Johnny-come-lately = crowd and builders of very fine instruments. There's also no question about Austin's integrity in all matters.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Update 8/13 From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:08:30   At 05:18 PM 8/13/2000 EDT, you wrote: >I enjoy all your emails, cards, and phone calls. It's so good to know = that >my friends are there for me.<snip>   Thanks for the update, Vicki...you'll pull through this, I"m sure. If you're feeling down on any Monday of Friday evening, remember, there's ALWAYS the #pipechat IRC channel, and all that goes on in there...bwaaahahahaha!   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: What's new on the RTOS website (x-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:04:44 -0400   There are three new additions to the Rochester Theater Organ Society's = home on the web at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   An invitation to attend a free concert featuring Charles Balogh of Arizona playing our Wurlitzer 4/22 on Saturday, Sept. 16th at 8 p.m. A no charge printable admission coupon is available on the site.   Announcement that new 2001 RTOS members will get an added bonus of membership advantages (including free concert admissions) for the rest of the year 2000 at only $35 for regular and $17.50 for associate = memberships.   Announcement of the availability of new full-color membership information brochures.   The website retains driving directions to the concerts, the complete 2000/2001 nine-concert schedule, lots of pictures, 4/22 organ specs. and stop list plus much more.   If you do not have browsing capabilities, or you have specific questions = or comments please feel free to e-mail me privately.   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President    
(back) Subject: Re: builders in DC area From: "Evelyn Rowe" <efrowe@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:19:53 -0400   Thanks to all who responded to my request for information about L-F and other Washington area builders. I couldn't get a traditional address for them off the website or anywhere else but did e-mail them -- hope some one =   reads the e-mail before the priest in question gets back from vacation.    
(back) Subject: Re: Need address From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:20:32 EDT   In a message dated 8/14/00 3:45:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, efrowe@mindspring.com writes:   << If I end up having any kind of long-term arrangement with this parish, I don't want them to spend one nickel on installation support that could be spent on parts and labor. >>   If it is part of high quality and a wonderful instrument, it's worth it. = You just have to make sure that all of that is written into the contract. I don't think you'd have this problem with reputable builders. I would suggest getting proposals from five builders, ALL of whom you would be = happy with, and then selecting on the basis of availability/delivery time, specification, and cost.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: I'll be back! From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:14:01 EDT   I'm going NoMail until I get back from my trip. Please please please = don't let me miss anything really good.....   I will, of course, re-enlist ASAP when I get back - gonna miss this list!!   Vicki Ceruti  
(back) Subject: Re: ears, hearing From: <Posthorn8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:23:08 EDT   Bob, I sold Allen in the late 80s to mid 90s. The larger models were ok, but = the small self contained instruments had mixtures that would split rock.   Tim  
(back) Subject: I'm a gonner.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:24:51 EDT   ..... that is... I'm a gonner be in Boston for the next cupla weeks. = Will be back on Friday 25st. Will tell all soon....     Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: I'm a gonner.... From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:56:40 -0400   > .... that is... I'm a gonner be in Boston for the next cupla weeks. = Will > be back on Friday 25st. Will tell all soon....   I'll be in Amsterdam on a business trip, leaving on the 18th. Wish I = could be in Boston for the OHS convention, but I will have to console myself by visiting St. Bavo's in Haarlem.   Cheers, TommyLee