PipeChat Digest #1567 - Monday, August 21, 2000
 
Re: Pipechat IRC
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Chicago Church seeks Guest Choirs for Summer of 2001
  by "Cole Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org>
Wurlitzer in Glasgow Scotland
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
Funeral Home organs
  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
RE: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Wurlitzer in Glasgow Scotland
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Funeral Home organs
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Fw: KSTL studio Wurlitzer
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Today's Memory Buster
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Funeral Home organs
  by "Randy Newman" <rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>
Re: Funeral Home organs
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Funeral Home organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
how to start a Hammond organ
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: how to start a Hammond organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: how to start a Hammond organ
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com>
Re: Funeral Home organs
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Pipechat IRC From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:57:19 +0100   I will also try to get on tonight after our evening events here in Boston. Hope a few of you will still be around when I sign on to IRC.   David  
(back) Subject: Chicago Church seeks Guest Choirs for Summer of 2001 From: "Cole Carroll" <CCole@fourthchurch.org> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:13:15 -0500   During June 2001, the Morning Choir of the Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago will be touring in France. In their absence, mixed adult choirs of exceptional quality are invited to participate in the 9:30 and 11:00 a.m. services of worship on June 17 and 24, 2001. These services typically require two anthems, an introit and choral responses plus congregational hymns. While the 9:30 a.m. service generally has a smaller congregation of about 700, the two services are identical in content. A service organist will be provided; however, the visiting choir's organist should accompany all choral selections. Rehearsal time in the church will be limited. The choir gallery will accommodate up to thirty singers. The 1971 Aeolian-Skinner organ has 126 ranks with 4 manuals. Visit www.fourthchurch.org for complete specifications. Interested choirs should submit a brief history along with a recent non-returnable recording and at least four current service leaflets reflecting styles of repertoire performed in a liturgical context. Lodging for choristers in homes of Fourth Church parishioners is possible. Deadline for submissions is = January 15, 2001. Send to: John W. W. Sherer, Fourth Presbyterian Church, 126 East Chestnut Street, Chicago, IL 60611-2094. Telephone: 312.787.2729, ext. = 219. E-mail: jsherer@fourthchurch.org.     C. Carroll Cole Arts Administrator Fourth Presbyterian Church 126 East Chestnut Street Chicago, IL 60611-2094 312.787.2729, ext. 252 facsimile: 312.787.4584 ccole@fourthchurch.org <http://www.fourthchurch.org>      
(back) Subject: Wurlitzer in Glasgow Scotland From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:33:57 -0400   On a genealogy list I found the following "Greens Playhouse, Glasgow, was a large cinema at the top end of Renfield St. It was still in existence running "talkies" when I left Scotland in 1951. I seem to remember that it had a Wurlitzer organ which went up and down from the basement to the stalls level." "Green's Playhouse was razed to the ground some years ago and is now being =   replaced as I write with an enormous edifice being built for the Virgin Group which will contain various cinemas, restaurants etc. Gone will be the "golden Divans" of happy memories ( Big smile)"   I wonder how many Wurlitzers went outside the US? I know several went to Montreal, Canada. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:29:37 EDT   I've heard about an organ built by the Wanamaker organ company and = installed someplace in NY. This was to be the sister organ to the "Grand Court = Organ" in Philidelphia. Where was this located???   Where is the organ now?????   I also heard that Virgil Fox bought it and installed it in his home. But, =   now he's gone and where's the organ? I don't think he was buried with it, =   or was he??? hehehe   Thanks, Jason Comet ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Funeral Home organs From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:36:47 EDT   What would be the ideal stoplist and specs for a Funeral Home - NOT a chapel.   Plenty of strings, colorful flutes, solo flutes, Vox Humanas, ensemble reeds, Solo reeds, soft 16' Flutes? Not a lot of Diapasons, right? Plus it's got to fit into either the basment or the Funeral home or the attic = or a small room in the back of the Home.   Just a challenge for those of us who are up to it. Let's compair = stoplists after we each design one or two or three or four.   Jason Comet ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:45:56 -0000   Jason:   The Virgil Fox organ is one of the 3-instruments that were assembled to become the Crystal Cathedral organ. The other instruments are the original Ruffati from the church that Crystal Cathedral replaced, and the old Philharmonic Hall (now Avery Fisher Hall) at NY's Lincoln Center.   Dr. Charles E. Brown   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Jason Comet Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:30 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???     I've heard about an organ built by the Wanamaker organ company and = installed someplace in NY. This was to be the sister organ to the "Grand Court = Organ" in Philidelphia. Where was this located???   Where is the organ now?????   I also heard that Virgil Fox bought it and installed it in his home. But, now he's gone and where's the organ? I don't think he was buried with it, or was he??? hehehe   Thanks, Jason Comet ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 21-Aug-100 NY Wanamaker Organ - Where .. by "Jason Comet"@hotmail.co > I've heard about an organ built by the Wanamaker organ company and = installed > someplace in NY. This was to be the sister organ to the "Grand Court = Organ" > in Philidelphia. Where was this located??? > This would be the Wanamaker store in New York City, 9th and Broadway. The Philly organ shop built a IV/118 for the auditorium of the NYC store in 1920 (replacing Austin op.120, 1904). In 1945 A-S paid some attention to it. In 1954 the store was closed. The organ was sold and apparently mostly scrapped (the console ending up in Texas.) I believe the building is extant. Marcel Dupre's first US concert was on this instrument. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:17:27 -0400   Jason:   In Lord & Taylor on Fifth Avenue, I seem to recall someone saying a year = or so back. Probably on this list or in that other one in Albany.   But Wanamaker was the builder?   Alan   > From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:29:37 EDT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? > > I've heard about an organ built by the Wanamaker organ company and = installed > someplace in NY. This was to be the sister organ to the "Grand Court = Organ" > in Philidelphia. Where was this located??? >    
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer in Glasgow Scotland From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:32:04   At 10:33 AM 8/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I wonder how many Wurlitzers went outside the US? I know several went to >Montreal, Canada.<snip>   Lots! Wurlitzers wound up in Canada, and across the ponds in Great = Britain and Australia, where they competed well against the homegrown products of Compton. Hope-Jones' "unit orchestra", when coupled with Wurlitzer's aggressive marketing and sales techniques, probably outsold all other theater organ makes combined during those years.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Home organs From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:33:52   At 11:36 AM 8/21/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Plenty of strings, colorful flutes, solo flutes, Vox Humanas, ensemble >reeds, Solo reeds, soft 16' Flutes? Not a lot of Diapasons, right?<snip>   Sounds to me as if you're in the market for a Wurlitzer Style "D".   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: RE: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:29:25 -0500   No organ in L&T NYC.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed [mailto:afreed0904@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:17 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it???     Jason:   In Lord & Taylor on Fifth Avenue  
(back) Subject: Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - Where is it??? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:43:37   At 12:17 PM 8/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In Lord & Taylor on Fifth Avenue<snip>   /sound buzzer.wav   Wrong. Organ's LONG gone.   >But Wanamaker was the builder?<snip>   Wanamaker's had its own in-house organ factory for years, who built the huge Philadelphia instrument around the nucleus of the Los Angeles Art Organ from the 1904 St. Louis Exposition. The current Wanamaker console was built in-house by Wanamaker organ technicians, as was much of the = organ proper.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: KSTL studio Wurlitzer From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:35:18 EDT   Hi Rick:   Refresh my memory, I've been away for a couple of days, as I'd love to respond to you. There tons of instruments in the old noggin, tell me which one you = mean.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Today's Memory Buster From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:24:26   Here's one that'll appeal to the fellow westerners on the list.   WAAAY back, in my youth, my family visited the Grand Canyon...both rims, natch...saving the north rim and its famous mule trip to the bottom of Bright Angel Canyon for last. We had dinner at the famed Fred Harvey inn at the north rim (AT&SF was still running two trains a day in and out of North Rim at the time), and I remember an organ in the hotel's lobby. I seem to remember the horseshoe console being in the middle of the lobby, and the guest was greeted by a flood of popular tunes eminating forth from the chambers. It didn't seem to be a Wurlitzer, but rather (recollection is quite foggy) more like a Kilgen, or possibly a Welte. Anyone have any facts on this one?   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Home organs From: "Randy Newman" <rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:40:48 -0400 (EDT)         the basis or my house organ came from a funeral home in richmond, va. it was a 1935 5 rank moller. ranks were diapason, dulciana, wood bourdon, clarinet, vox humana, and there was also a metal bar harp. all ranks are unit ranks and were unified to just about every possible pitch.   -randy     On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Jason Comet wrote:   > What would be the ideal stoplist and specs for a Funeral Home - NOT a > chapel. > > Plenty of strings, colorful flutes, solo flutes, Vox Humanas, ensemble > reeds, Solo reeds, soft 16' Flutes? Not a lot of Diapasons, right? = Plus > it's got to fit into either the basment or the Funeral home or the attic = or > a small room in the back of the Home. > > Just a challenge for those of us who are up to it. Let's compair = stoplists > after we each design one or two or three or four. > > Jason Comet > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Home organs From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:53:08 -0400   very interesting thread. Who says an organ in a funeral home has to be any different than one found in a church/chapel? It can have everything that = any other organ has. I've played hundreds of funeral services in funeral parlors, and I've had to lead the group in singing, and play preludes = before the service, and postludes after the service. To me, a funeral parlor = organ can have as much as a church/chapel organ. There are several Allen and Rodgers organs in funeral parlors here in Montreal, as well as other companies such as Baldwin, Hammond, Conn, Wurlitzer, etc. A funeral = service held in a funeral parlor is no less important than one held in a church.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Home organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:36:28 -0700   In practical Southern California, many funeral home chapels also double as wedding chapels (grin), so the organs are usually your run-of-the-mill electronic church organs, with a fair number of small pipe organs.   Interesting sidebar: the number of organists who know how to TURN ON the tonewheeler Hammonds in these places is diminishing rapidly ... would = somebody please post the counts for "Start" and "Run"? I've done it by ear for so = long I've forgotten (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > very interesting thread. Who says an organ in a funeral home has to be = any > different than one found in a church/chapel? It can have everything that = any > other organ has. I've played hundreds of funeral services in funeral > parlors, and I've had to lead the group in singing, and play preludes = before > the service, and postludes after the service. To me, a funeral parlor = organ > can have as much as a church/chapel organ. There are several Allen and > Rodgers organs in funeral parlors here in Montreal, as well as other > companies such as Baldwin, Hammond, Conn, Wurlitzer, etc. A funeral = service > held in a funeral parlor is no less important than one held in a church. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: how to start a Hammond organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:40:58 -0400   ".......First make sure that the RUN switch is in the "off" position and then push the START switch and hold it while you count to 8 slowly. Still holding the START switch, push the RUN switch into "RUN" position. Hold = both switches while you count to 4 slowly, then release the START switch, leaving the RUN switch in the "RUN" position. In about 30 seconds the = organ will be ready to play. To shut off the organ, simply pull the RUN switch = to its "off" position....."   That is a direct quote from my Hammond Organ Owner's Playing Guide.   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: how to start a Hammond organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:08:40 -0700   OK, some of the older ones take longer because of advanced age or needing = oil .... that's probably why I remember "10" and "5", rather than "8" and "4". = I just listen until the tonewheels are up to speed. But I'm SURE there are folks = out there who have no IDEA what we're talking about (grin / sigh).   Somebody used to make train whistle noises by flicking the "Start" switch = on and off after the organ was already running ... don't remember who ...   Cheers,   Bud   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > ".......First make sure that the RUN switch is in the "off" position and > then push the START switch and hold it while you count to 8 slowly. = Still > holding the START switch, push the RUN switch into "RUN" position. Hold = both > switches while you count to 4 slowly, then release the START switch, > leaving the RUN switch in the "RUN" position. In about 30 seconds the = organ > will be ready to play. To shut off the organ, simply pull the RUN switch = to > its "off" position....." > > That is a direct quote from my Hammond Organ Owner's Playing Guide. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: how to start a Hammond organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <concert_organist@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:16:59 -0400   maybe I should be posting this on e-org, but this topic came up here. There's a church nearby that has a Hammond (don't know the model number). The console is down dear the front with a tone cabinet next to it. Up in = the balcony there's another cabinet and a leslie. If I turn the RUN on without starting it, the light over the pedals goes on, and I hear a click coming from the balcony. Is there power going to the cabinets without the organ actually being ON?   Carlo  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Home organs From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:12:31   At 12:36 PM 8/21/2000 -0700, you wrote: >please post the counts for "Start" and "Run"? I've done it by ear for so = long >I've forgotten (grin).<snip>   Here's the official party line from Hammond:   Flip the "Start" switch and hold for eight seconds. While keeping "Start" engaged, flip the "Run" switch, keeping both on for four seconds, then release the "Start" switch.   In reality, a generator in good shape and lubed with the proper oil should spool up in around 3 or 4 seconds easily. My two-switch models always do, usually in less. My technique? "Start" for 4 seconds, "Run" on, "Start" off. Sometimes, in cold temperatures, more start time is needed, especially if the organ hasn't had its yearly bath of proper oil. The biggest killer of well-running tonewheel generators is "handy oil". "Hammond oil" is a light amber turbine oil, much lighter and of a = different base than motor oil or handy oil. Mineral based oils do NOT mix with asphalt or paraffin based oils, and doing so usually results in a black, gooey, chunky mess over time.   Staring a Hammond properly can usually be accomplished by ear. When the start motor quits gaining speed, it's ready to run...usually. If not, or if the start motor has either under- or overspeeded the generator a little bit (this happens), the player will soon be confronted with the well-known "drunken Hammond" effect, and the organ will have to be restarted. Brief power hits during a service usually resulted in tonal mishaps like these, usually providing cause for great jocularity amongst the congregants congregating below. Later "blue motor" organs, like the H-100 and G-100, eliminated all need for skill in starting a Hammond, as there was only a simple "on-off" switch, and the capacitor-start motor was self-starting.   DeserTBoB