PipeChat Digest #1571 - Thursday, August 24, 2000
 
Re: Options for Upgrading a Pipe Organ
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - more
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
RE: PianoDisc
  by "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com>
Re: Options for Upgrading a Pipe Organ
  by "steve bournias" <stevebournias@hotmail.com>
Re: PianoDisc
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: PianoDisc
  by "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com>
Re: PianoDisc
  by "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@stny.rr.com>
Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Widor-Schweitzer edition of Bach
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Options for Upgrading a Pipe Organ From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:01:42 +0100   Mark,   Just a few quick thoughts:   You need to ask some basic questions (of yourself, as much as anyone else) =   before you spend time researching the cost options. For example, what is =   the history of this organ? Is it important? Who built it? Who maintains =   it? What are their opinions? What size of building is it? Size of congregation at different services? Purposes for which the organ is used? Is the church interested in concerts/recitals/ music generally? Is augmentation *really* necessary? Do you *really* need bells and whistles? Why do *you* want it enlarged?   As Bud said - show us the spec so that the cognoscenti amongst us can see where are the holes. Take advice from experts - not amateurs; best of all, appoint an independent organ consultant who knows his onions.   If this organ truly does need some additions, check out all the many, many =   companies who can offer you what you need. And check out their servicing =   and aftercare record: some - even amongst the well-known names - will promise much and deliver little in the end, so seek out their existing clients and ask what they think of the company concerned: and if any clients gripe, go back to the company and ask for their side of the matter =   - the company isn't always at fault. (Sounds like choosing a new organ!)   If this work is really necessary (follow your consultant's advice), then = go for the best you can afford, not the cheapest - paper specifications are generally meaningless.   IMNSHO, there is too much inexpert tinkering with pipe organs which is totally unnecessary, does more harm than good, and is a total waste of money. The only additions made should be those which do not destroy the whole integrity of the instrument - they should be musical and aesthetic. Remember that organ building and voicing is an art, and there =   aren't too many truly good artists around.   If the instrument is really awful and has no merit, then ignore *most* of the above . :-)   If in doubt - don't. But always, without exception, take expert advice.   With best wishes,   Cheryl   http://www.copemanhart.co.uk   Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders ENGLAND   Registered in England No 696548    
(back) Subject: Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:05:18 -0500   Whether-or-not Herr Schweitzer was a good organist or not, is beside the point.   I have two of his LPs, and while the playing is very slow and ploddy, it = IS none-the-less Albert Schweitzer PLAYING THE ORGAN.   I'll bet few people in these days have ever heard him play (or *ever* = heard of him, for that matter).   These LPs have earned a place in my audio library- just because they *are* of Schweitzer.   Now! -anyone wanna hear Anton Karas playing Austrian folksongs on his zither? -got that too!   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - more From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:08:32 -0400 (EDT)   Excerpts from mail: 22-Aug-100 Re: NY Wanamaker Organ - more GRSCoLVR@aol.com (1528*) by > There is a new book out on the history of both organs published within = the > last year, written by Ray Biswanger,,,,the mover-shaker of the Friends of the > Wanamaker Organ society. [snip]   While I don't (yet) have that tome, the information I offered here a couple of days ago was from Biswanger's three-part article in TAO in 1988 - material I assume he expanded on in the book. There he says that the NYC organ was auctioned for $1200 and "apparently scrapped" (except the console.)   However, on 26 February 1998 a post to piporg-l by one Douglas Cable quoted a letter written in 1955 by A. Robert Lundrigan-Bell to Gruenstein, editor of 'The Diapason', noting that the winner of the auction was D. Frederick Bouma, Paterson NJ, then head of the American Institute of Organ Building. Bell visited Bouma's operation and saw the organ in storage there. He says that Bouma wanted to find a party - civic or educational - who could use the organ in toto (less the console). One such possibility was a proposed Christian recreational center in Sevierville TN, with an auditorium to be dedicated to Grace Moore.   Is or was there any such center? Sevierville/Pidgeon Forge calls Dollywood to this mind.   As to the console, Bell wrote that it was "sold to a man in the East who had plans for redesigning the mechanics and using it for the console of the old Schwab residence organ, which he owns. Due to the fact that the electrical work of this organ was created by the Wanamaker people as an individual thing it was of no use to Mr. Bouma's organization."   Victoria, Texas is certainly not "the East", but could the buyer have been Rubin S. Frels? Anyone know the true fate of the Schwab organ?   Is any of the above congruent with Biswanger's book? It is seemingly NOT congruent with Biswanger's "apparently scrapped" statement in the TAO article, unless he meant the ultimate fate of the instrument. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: RE: PianoDisc From: "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:12:55 -0700   I just had one installed for $4,500 plus shipping. Got it back last = Friday and I'm very pleased with it. And, yes, it can then be played from an = organ MIDI stop. -Bert-   > From: pipechat@pipechat.org On Behalf Of > Tspiggle@aol.com > > This may not be exactly "organic", but maybe it is since a piano is > frequently found as a stop on a theatre organ. At any rate, does > anyone know > the approximate cost to add a PianoDisc system to an existing > piano? If it > has MIDI capability can the piano then be played from an organ > with MIDI as a > "stop"? > > Thanks. > > Tom >    
(back) Subject: Re: Options for Upgrading a Pipe Organ From: "steve bournias" <stevebournias@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:00:42 EDT   hello there. i would be pleased to offer some personal assistance in this matter of pipe organ upgrade. kindly provide a current specification and i =   will galdly suggest some improvements....kindest regards....steve bournias ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: PianoDisc From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:33:45 EDT   Hi Bert:   I'm curious, is a PianoDisc system a play back device? Is it used only on Acoustic or Digital Pianos or both? If an Acoustic Piano, wouldn't there have to be = a link to move the hammers electro-mechanically? How does one connect it to a midi = stop on an organ? I have an MDF-3 by Yamaha on my organ. It records and plays = back. It costs about $800.00 It's a Midi Filer, is that what the PianoDisc is, a =   Midi Filer?   I've been trying to figure out what it does and why it's so expensive. I didn't pay $800. either the discounted unit at Guitar Center was half the list = $499/249, the cables and three pink 2 x 2 in-out-through midi boxes were about $200.00 = more.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: RE: PianoDisc From: "Bert Atwood" <atwoody@ispchannel.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:34:11 -0700   Ron, it is a player device for an acoustic piano. Sort of like the old player pianos with the paper rolls. Only this uses mini discs instead of rolls and one disc contains the equivalent of about 15 rolls. It does indeed move the hammers (and the keys) via solonoids mounted under the piano. It is expressive and has a wide range of volume control. It connects to an organ MIDI stop via a standard five wire MIDI cable. It = has record and playback capability along with a wide variety of other = features, some standard, some optional. Suggest you take a look at their Website: www.painodisc.com.   > From: pipechat@pipechat.org > > Hi Bert: > > I'm curious, is a PianoDisc system a play back device? Is it used only = on > Acoustic > or Digital Pianos or both? If an Acoustic Piano, wouldn't there > have to be a > link to > move the hammers electro-mechanically? How does one connect it to > a midi stop > on an organ? I have an MDF-3 by Yamaha on my organ. It records > and plays back. > It costs about $800.00 It's a Midi Filer, is that what the > PianoDisc is, a > Midi Filer? > > I've been trying to figure out what it does and why it's so expensive. I > didn't pay > $800. either the discounted unit at Guitar Center was half the > list $499/249, > the > cables and three pink 2 x 2 in-out-through midi boxes were about > $200.00 more. > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: PianoDisc From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@stny.rr.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:28:59 +0100     > I'm curious, is a PianoDisc system a play back device? Is it used only = on > Acoustic > or Digital Pianos or both? If an Acoustic Piano, wouldn't there have to = be a > link to move hammers --?   > Ron,   Others on this list are more up to date than I but the piano disc system = can be purchased to play or play AND record. And it can play other = instruments with MIDI or be played by them. The expense is primarily in the sensitive installation of the solenoids and other gear involved with the device.. = it's gotta be done accurately and precisely if it is going to work a long time = on an acoustical piano.. which it can do well. A local friend is trained in setting up the electronics and re-adjusting it when needed -- it is = subject to the usual computer problems, of course. Of particular sensitivity is = it's ability to play softly and still play all the notes -- takes quite = sensitive adjusting for that!   Paul Stapel    
(back) Subject: Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:31:00 EDT   Whatever criticisms you may have of Herr Schweitzer's playing, I don't = think there is any other organist that brings out the spiritual content of = Bach's music the way he does. Listen to his recording of Orgelbuchlein #13 and I =   think you'd have to agree with me. And I'm not even a Christian.   Mick Berg.  
(back) Subject: Re: Albert Schweitzer perspective/Bach playing From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:45:23   At 01:31 AM 8/24/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Listen to his recording of Orgelbuchlein #13 and I >think you'd have to agree with me.<snip>   I would, but I keep falling asleep!   dB  
(back) Subject: Widor-Schweitzer edition of Bach From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:08:42 -0700   "Superseded" ... sez who?   It's a clean urtext edition ... you can pay attention to Schweitzer's notes in the front, or not. *I* certainly do for the *interpretation* of the symbolism of the pieces, both free and cantus-firmus-based. Sometimes I pay attention to his phrasing suggestions; his registrations (except for where to pitch the c.f.), practically never.   Yes, yes, I know ... Peters had access to manuscripts that had disappeared by the time the B.G. started their work, much less W/S ... but I can only think of one significantly different reading in Peters, and that's the extra measure in the "Cathedral" Prelude in e minor ... and if I'm not mistaken, it's been inserted in later printings of W/S.   One teacher made me buy the NBA Clavieruebung III for a Heiller master-class ... he didn't want to be "embarrassed" by one of his students playing from the W/S. Fine. I played my one piece for Heiller out of the NBA, transferred his markings and comments to my W/S, put the NBA on the shelf, and there it has stayed. I have been told that the mistakes in the earlier printings of NBA volumes (notably the Great Eighteen) have been corrected, but MINE was certainly full of them.   It's too late in my career now to transfer all my markings to a newer edition, but several years ago I would have WELCOMED a new urtext with LARGER print. That's the MAIN reason I don't play from Peters.   Cheers,   Bud