PipeChat Digest #1578 - Sunday, August 27, 2000
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #1575 - 08/26/00
  by "Paul Stapel" <pfstapel@stny.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1575 - 08/26/00
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: repertoire
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: Speaking of Wicks....
  by "Paul Stapel" <pfstapel@stny.rr.com>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Speaking of Wicks....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Tournemire
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Speaking of Wicks....
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
RE: Dutch Craft Organs
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com>
How subscribe to Anglican Music List?
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Re: Shrubbery
  by <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net>
Re: Shrubbery
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Holidays
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: How subscribe to Anglican Music List?
  by "Roger Brown" <robrown@melbpc.org.au>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: How subscribe to Anglican Music List?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Tournemire
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Shrubbery
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
OHS Convention sampler (webpage) (Cross Posted
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
 


(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1575 - 08/26/00 From: "Paul Stapel" <pfstapel@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:39:41 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00CE_01C00F6B.77D46760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3D20 > I wonder what kind of candy they would want? Perhaps candy-corn (they = =3D ARE in=3D20 > Illinois). Do let me know. >=3D20 > Larry L. Wheelock   Godvia will do!   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00CE_01C00F6B.77D46760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;<BR>&gt; I wonder what kind of = =3D candy they=3D20 would want? Perhaps candy-corn (they ARE in <BR>&gt; Illinois). Do let =3D me=3D20 know.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Larry L. Wheelock<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"BellGothic Blk BT" size=3D3D4>Godvia will=3D20 do!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00CE_01C00F6B.77D46760--    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1575 - 08/26/00 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:26:47 EDT   In a message dated 8/26/00 11:38:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LLWheels@aol.com writes:   << I even own two of their instruments; a DE and a tracker (gasp!!) I did get the info about = the AS stuff as a pretty smarmy brag from a Wicks rep 20-or-so years ago and = he was, I am sure, not representative of the majority of Wicks reps. I don't =   even know if he is still around, but for the sake of the Wicks folks, I = hope not. >>   heeheehee..... I'll tell HIM you said hello!!! bbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha   Would be interested in info on your two wixels....   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: RE: repertoire From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:28:06 -0700       -----Original Message----- From: BUD quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 10:19 AM To: PipeChat Subject: repertoire   >>>Reger's Chorale Preludes, Op. 100 (?), ... it may be 67 ... they're mostly 2-3 pages, not easy, >>>not fiendishly difficult.   I have a volume that is too easy. But I think the one you are speaking of is 67, and thanks for the reminder. That has been on my "to buy" list.   >>>If you can find a library with a set of Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, they're >>>anything BUT banal ... unfortunately the individual volumes are up to about $45 >>>apiece. The Offertories, Elevations and Communions are the most useful.   I've always loved these pieces, but considered them too hard. Any of them learnable with limited practice?   Thanks for all the ideas.   Randy    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of Wicks.... From: "Paul Stapel" <pfstapel@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:44:04 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E4_01C00F6C.14B6C1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >=3D20 > At the OHS convention in Boston we heard a 1938 Wicks which was voiced = =3D by=3D20 > Henry Vincent Willis (of ENGLAND!!!). The stoplist:=3D20 > GREAT:=3D20 > 16 Gemshorn (ext); 8 First, Second Open Diapasons, Viola, Gemshorn & =3D Celeste,=3D20 > Concert Flute; 4 Octave, Suabe Flute; Twelfth; Fifteenth; and 8 =3D Trumpet. > CHOIR: > 8 Open Diapason, Gedeckt, Dulciana, Unda Maris tc; 4 Flute d amour; = 8=3D20 > Clarinet, French Horn; Tremolo, French Horn Tremolo=3D20 > SWELL; > 16 Lieblich Bourdon (ext); 8 Open Diapason, Harmonic Flute, =3D Salicional, Voix=3D20 > Celeste tc, Stopped Flute, Aeoline; 4 Flute traverso; Nazard; 2 =3D Flautino;=3D20 > Tierce; Mixture III; 16 Contra Fagotto; 8 Cornopean, Oboe (ext), =3D Clarion, Vox=3D20 > Humana. Tremolo, Reed Tremolo.=3D20 > PEDAL: > 16 Open Diapason, Bourdon, Gemshorn (gr), Lieblichgedeckt (sw);=3D20 > 8 Octave (ext), Cello (gr viola), Gedeckt (ext), Flauto Dolce (sw);=3D20 > 16 Trombone (ext gr), Contra Fagotto (sw). >=3D20 > This organ sounded like it had been pinched from across the pond! The = =3D sound=3D20 > was veddy, veddy British. This just goes to show that a fine=3D20 > voicer/finisher who properly scales and finishes the pipework can do =3D wonders.=3D20 > I've heard Wicks organs scaled and finished by Charles Moseley that = =3D would=3D20 > severely test the "who dunnit" capabilities of many organists. I =3D remember=3D20 > being quite pleased with the tracker that I played in the Wicks =3D factory. =3D20 > T'werent a Hook 'n Hastings, but is was veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery nice! >=3D20 > Cybersnacks with nougat 'n nuts to Brent! >=3D20 > Bruce Cremona502@cs.com And voicer Dan Angerstein, a regular voicer for WICKS instruments, is =3D right up there!!   Paul Stapel, Wicks Rep Binghamton, NY   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E4_01C00F6C.14B6C1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&gt; <BR>&gt; At the OHS convention = in =3D Boston we=3D20 heard a 1938 Wicks which was voiced by <BR>&gt; Henry Vincent Willis (of = =3D   ENGLAND!!!).&nbsp;&nbsp; The stoplist: <BR>&gt; GREAT: <BR>&gt; 16 =3D Gemshorn=3D20 (ext); 8 First, Second Open Diapasons, Viola, Gemshorn &amp; Celeste, =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 Concert Flute; 4 Octave, Suabe Flute; Twelfth; Fifteenth; and 8 =3D Trumpet.<BR>&gt;=3D20 CHOIR:<BR>&gt; 8 Open Diapason, Gedeckt, Dulciana, Unda Maris tc; 4 =3D Flute d=3D20 amour; 8 <BR>&gt; Clarinet, French Horn; Tremolo, French Horn Tremolo =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 SWELL;<BR>&gt; 16 Lieblich Bourdon (ext); 8 Open Diapason, Harmonic =3D Flute,=3D20 Salicional, Voix <BR>&gt; Celeste tc, Stopped Flute, Aeoline; 4 Flute =3D traverso;=3D20 Nazard; 2 Flautino; <BR>&gt; Tierce; Mixture III; 16 Contra Fagotto; = 8=3D20 Cornopean, Oboe (ext), Clarion, Vox <BR>&gt; Humana.&nbsp; Tremolo, Reed = =3D   Tremolo. <BR>&gt; PEDAL:<BR>&gt; 16 Open Diapason, Bourdon, Gemshorn =3D (gr),=3D20 Lieblichgedeckt (sw); <BR>&gt; 8 Octave (ext), Cello (gr viola), Gedeckt = =3D (ext),=3D20 Flauto Dolce (sw); <BR>&gt; 16 Trombone (ext gr), Contra Fagotto =3D (sw).<BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; This organ sounded like it had been pinched from across the =3D pond!&nbsp;=3D20 The sound <BR>&gt; was veddy, veddy British.&nbsp;&nbsp; This just goes = =3D to show=3D20 that a fine <BR>&gt; voicer/finisher who properly scales and finishes =3D the=3D20 pipework can do wonders. <BR>&gt; &nbsp; I've heard Wicks organs scaled = =3D and=3D20 finished by Charles Moseley that would <BR>&gt; severely test the "who =3D dunnit"=3D20 capabilities of many organists.&nbsp;&nbsp; I remember <BR>&gt; being =3D quite=3D20 pleased with the tracker that I played in the Wicks factory.&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 T'werent a Hook 'n Hastings, but is was veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery =3D nice!<BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; Cybersnacks with nougat 'n nuts to Brent!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=3D20 Bruce&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT><A href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com"><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>Cremona502@cs.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3D3D"BellGothic Blk = =3D BT">And voicer=3D20 Dan Angerstein, a regular voicer for WICKS instruments, is right&nbsp; = =3D up=3D20 there!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"BellGothic Blk BT">Paul Stapel, Wicks Rep Binghamton, = =3D   NY</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E4_01C00F6C.14B6C1E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:27:29   At 01:41 PM 8/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Place these organs in churches and the attendance would hit the = floor.<snip>   AHA! My point has been made, and by none other than bReWsE himself! = Organ people STILL consider the organ to be some sort of "church appliance" to get people "in the door", much in the same vein as the happy-clappies are using pop music "dri-VELL"! This is a doomed line of reasoning, since churches are in decline, and will continue to be thus. If we don't STOP thinking solely about suitability of organs for church service and START thinking in more global musical terms, the organ will go down the swirling vortex of history along with the mainline churches they're installed in.   Now, regarding symphonic music, there's a REASON for orchestras to pretty much sound the same...PREDICTABILITY! It would hardly do for some concert patron to go hear Barber performed at one venue, where the strings sound like strings, and then go to another, and have them sound like bassoons, now, would it? Why would one want to go hear Franck performed on an organ fairly sympathetic to the material at hand one time, and then want to go hear it performed on an "air calliope" the next?   >During the dark days of Wagnerian voicing, people did not have TV sets = and >other varied forms of entertainments--the comparison doesn't work.<snip?   Really? Tell that to the people at the Balboa Park Organ Pavilion, or who go into Lord and Taylor's to "browse", when they really go to hear the organ. I don't see TV, et al, as a competitive force to these venues. Obviously these organs' audiences don't, either!   DeserTBoB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of Wicks.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:38:47 EDT   In a message dated 8/26/00 2:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = bmjohns@fgi.net writes:   << St. Alphonsus the Rock >>   Yeesh! Where do they come up with these names. St. Al sounds like a wrassler! I would be interested in more info on the Willi-Wickses in extancy!   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Tournemire From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:18:06 -0700       Randy Terry wrote:   > I've always loved these pieces, but considered them too hard. Any of = them > learnable with limited practice? >   You need the whole business in front of you so you can pick and choose. Certainly SOME of them can ALMOST be sight-read; others not. Most of the = big pieces at the end of each set require the context of the Mass and the acoustics of a French church, not to mention a Cavaille-Coll (grin), but = some of the smaller ones can be pulled off. The Introits ARE really preludes to = the singing of the Introit, and as such are mostly too short to use for = anything else, unless you play a service that uses SHORT interludes.   I found it helps to look up the canti fermi in the Liber to see what he's doing with them. My friend Paul has them all neatly inked in at the head = of each piece. I'm not that industrious, and I know most of them by heart = (grin).   Another hint: enlarging the scores makes them CONSIDERABLY easier to read, = if you have access to a copier with 11x17 paper.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of Wicks.... From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:57:21 -0500   > In a message dated 8/26/00 2:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmjohns@fgi.net > writes: > > << St. Alphonsus the Rock >> > > Yeesh! Where do they come up with these names. St. Al sounds like a > wrassler! I would be interested in more info on the Willi-Wickses in > extancy!   St. Alphies is just referred to here as The Rock Church. A Wicks voicer and I have started putting together some information on extant Wicks organs voiced by Willis (we don't call them Willis-Wicks, at least not in public). The problem is a number of these instruments went through some baroqueification (is that word?) and are not exactly what = they used to be. The Rock Church is an outstanding example of one that was touched very little during this period. I'm glad to know at least someone is = interested in this topic. Brent Johnson The Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com The Theatre Organ Web Ring http://www.organwebring.com/theatre      
(back) Subject: RE: Dutch Craft Organs From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:19:54 -0500   Randy (and list)   As of now, there are no plans for the old Austin. The new organ will be installed in the back of the nave (there is no gallery). To make space, = the pews will be moved forward where the existing console is now. Thusly, = only the console will be removed (I'm sure you have no use for it! :) )   I'll be glad to put you in contact with the church if you will email me privately at mahopper@bigfoot.com   Thanks! Mark   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Randy Terry Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:07 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Dutch Craft Organs     Mark, I am very familiar with the St. Andrew's Austin, and I would be curious to know if it will be available. They have a wonderful Violin Diapason that I would like to have, as well as the Melodia and Harmonic Flute.   The last time I played a service there I was actually impressed with the sound of the old (and yes sadly worn) instrument. At one time I thought I heard they were considering going with a new Austin using select pipes. Guess I was wrong!   Randy   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Mark L. Hopper Their final instrument (a II/19 shop demo instrument) will be installed in Saint Andrew's Episcopal Church in Birmingham, AL   At least for the aforementioned parish, it was a pleasant, affordable alternative to their II/8 1920 = Austin that is now on life support and using a barely-functioning 1960 Electronic Baldwin Console!         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: How subscribe to Anglican Music List? From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT)     Can anyone tell me how to re-subscribe to Anglican Music List? Thanx. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: Shrubbery From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:41:51 -0400 (EDT)   Which brings up an interesting question. Is there a pipe organ in the White House?   Neil    
(back) Subject: Re: Shrubbery From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:22:25   At 06:41 PM 8/26/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Which brings up an interesting question. Is there a pipe organ in the >White House?<snip>   Interesting question. I don't believe so now, but there COULD indeed have been, back when organs were...uh...popular, yes that's the term!   hehehehe   DeserTBoB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:34:35 +0800   Are churches in decline? You are generalising again Bob. Bad habit of = yours. As for organs, they are being built or restored at the rate of knots in this = country and I suspect others also and the churches are still the big customers. If = it wasn't for the churches I doubt whether the organ as an instrument would = still exist. They have been the big customers for some hundreds of years and = remain so today. Now wither me with scorn. I can take it! Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 01:41 PM 8/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >Place these organs in churches and the attendance would hit the = floor.<snip> > > AHA! My point has been made, and by none other than bReWsE himself! = Organ > people STILL consider the organ to be some sort of "church appliance" to > get people "in the door", much in the same vein as the happy-clappies = are > using pop music "dri-VELL"! This is a doomed line of reasoning, since > churches are in decline, and will continue to be thus. If we don't STOP > thinking solely about suitability of organs for church service and START > thinking in more global musical terms, the organ will go down the = swirling > vortex of history along with the mainline churches they're installed in. > > Now, regarding symphonic music, there's a REASON for orchestras to = pretty > much sound the same...PREDICTABILITY! It would hardly do for some = concert > patron to go hear Barber performed at one venue, where the strings sound > like strings, and then go to another, and have them sound like bassoons, > now, would it? Why would one want to go hear Franck performed on an = organ > fairly sympathetic to the material at hand one time, and then want to go > hear it performed on an "air calliope" the next? > > >During the dark days of Wagnerian voicing, people did not have TV sets = and > >other varied forms of entertainments--the comparison doesn't = work.<snip? > > Really? Tell that to the people at the Balboa Park Organ Pavilion, or = who > go into Lord and Taylor's to "browse", when they really go to hear the > organ. I don't see TV, et al, as a competitive force to these venues. > Obviously these organs' audiences don't, either! > > DeserTBoB > ________________________________ > > "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!" > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Holidays From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:50:37 +0800   On holidays for three weeks. Bob Elms.   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: How subscribe to Anglican Music List? From: "Roger Brown" <robrown@melbpc.org.au> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:20:12 +1100   On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT), "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> wrote:   > > Can anyone tell me how to re-subscribe to Anglican Music List? =20 >Thanx. > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA >   And Karl if you find out "off list" would you please let me know. I have to resubscribe also after my free ISP's mail server crashed.     The info I have (from their website) is that the subscribe address is Anglican-Music-Request@5sc.net But every recent effort to send to that address has bounced - including one a moment ago. So I assume they have moved servers.     Roger         Roger Brown robrown@melbpc.org.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:58:17   At 07:34 AM 8/27/2000 +0800, you wrote: >Now wither me with scorn. I can take it!<snip>   Aww...do I HAVE to? I got dinner cookin'....   DeserTBawB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Re: How subscribe to Anglican Music List? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:40:16 -0500   Karl and Roger:   > Can anyone tell me how to re-subscribe to Anglican Music List?   To subscribe: mailto:anglican-music-subscribe@list.stsams.org   For more info and help: mailto:anglican-music-faq@list.stsams.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Tournemire From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:58:13 EDT   In a message dated 8/26/00 3:15:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << The Introits ARE really preludes to the singing of the Introit, and as such are mostly too short to use for = anything else, unless you play a service that uses SHORT interludes. >>   If these pieces are very short, try changing registration and playing them =   again, maybe twice more. Perhaps play several of them.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Shrubbery From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 01:23:22 EDT   In a message dated 8/26/00 6:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@webtv.net writes:   << Is there a pipe organ in the White House? >> heeheehee Neil.... do you REALLY want to open this can of worms (or = would that be CIGARS!!!) heeheeheeheehee   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: OHS Convention sampler (webpage) (Cross Posted From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:08:40 -0500   Hi all,   I unfortunately was only able to attend the convention for part of it. I assembled a page which is merely a taste of the convention as it only covers the days I was there. There are quite a few pictures so it takes several minutes to down load, so if your the impatient type you will probably want to skip it. It can be found at: <http://www.catoe.org/ohsboston.html>   jch   PS Convention was great