PipeChat Digest #1579 - Monday, August 28, 2000
 
Help!
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Tournemire
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Help!
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: repertoire
  by "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de>
commissioning Propers / Griesbacher (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
service list, Trinity 10 - St. Matthew's-Behind-the-Pizza-Bakery  (X-post
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
convervion table
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Organ Items For Sale
  by "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net>
Re: conversion table,,,,pounds pressure to inches of water column
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: repertoire
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Admin Posting: Some Changes at PipeChat - Please read
  by "Peter" <organist@socal.rr.com>
Re: Admin Posting: Some Changes at PipeChat - Please read
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Recital: Stories in Glass IX -- 27 Aug
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: OHS Convention sampler (webpage) (Cross Posted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Fw: convervion table
  by "Carl & Grace Snip" <cgscissors@aztec-net.com>
 


(back) Subject: Help! From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:38:26 +0800   I am leaving on a three weeks' holiday on Tuesday but all my attempts at unsubscribing from pipechat have been unsuccessful. I have followed the instructions closely but all I get is an error message that address cannot be found. I don't want to deal with several hundred posts on the list when I return. Any ideas anyone? Bob Elms.   -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/      
(back) Subject: Re: Tournemire From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:42:44 -0700   I suppose you could in a non-liturgical setting, as long as you played = ones that were in the same mode, or contrasting modes, like i - VI, or ii-VIII.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 8/26/00 3:15:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > << The Introits ARE really preludes to the > singing of the Introit, and as such are mostly too short to use for = anything > else, unless you play a service that uses SHORT interludes. > >> > > If these pieces are very short, try changing registration and playing = them > again, maybe twice more. Perhaps play several of them. > > Bruce Cremona502@cs.com > in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles > visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Help! From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 07:15:21   At 09:38 PM 8/27/2000 +0800, you wrote: >I am leaving on a three weeks' holiday on Tuesday but all my attempts at >unsubscribing from pipechat have been unsuccessful.<snip>   Obviously, you're typing: mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org. This will = give you an error message.   Try pipechat-off@pipechat.org ... WITHOUT the mailto:   Before you go, are you slated to go on any organic adventures down under?   dB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:15:08 -0500   At 8/25/00 11:32 PM, DeserTBoB wrote: >Well, now! Everyone's making their way homeward, and I decided, in keeping >with my contrarian nature, to poll for votes for the WORST organs heard >during OHS! So far, the bidding seems to be tied between a "Krazee Frazee" >and the coarsely-voiced and mistuned "Frisky Air Calliope=AE" foisted upon >Wellesley. Some wonder why this wheezebox was even played, considering >there's a fine =C6olian-Skinner up front...but....played it was, with some >walking out on the performance, due to the discord set up by ridiculous >"retro-fad" mean-tone temperament.   Greetings, everyone!   HMMM...the Wellesley Fisk. HMMMMMM...<trying to think of something nice to say>   In reality, I tried hard to find something I could like about it. Indeed, with the exception of the "tuned kazoos" rank used as a solo in the Weckmann Canon (I think), it wasn't as bad as I'd expected. (and, for that matter, the kazoos weren't offensive, necessarily -- more humorous. What in the world would one *use* that stop for, really???) But anyway, long abouts the end of the 3rd organ statement of the chorale subject during the hymn that (some) tried to sing...things got dreadfully ugly quick. "Discord" is putting it lightly -- it nearly *hurt*! So, alas, that's when I made my exit out a convenient side door. Incidentally, the Buxtehude didn't sound too bad from across the lawn under a lovely shade tree...<g>   It was fun to watch our Biggs Fellows riding the bellows-levers up and down during the performance though...<g>...bet they had a blast doing that!   The "Skinner" in front of the Wellesley chapel, BTW, was not used for the fact that it has been SEVERELY modified tonally, and thus no longer can be considered a Skinner organ beyond its mechanism (and, in fact, it does not now bear an AE-S nameplate). I understand that it remains the instrument with which they accompany services in the chapel, however...go figure!!   The "krazee Frazee", on the other hand, I rather liked -- yes, it was loud as hell and not quite in the best of tune, but it was also very warm in the church that afternoon, which could cause some of that. A most pleasant facade display that one had, and the organist even managed to use the Harp and Chimes while also displaying a myriad of other fun and creative stop combinations during his hymn accompaniments and introductions. All of these lead me to think that this organ probably does a fine job of leading its congregation. I wish we hadn't been running so late at that point in the day -- as it was, there was some confusion in what was/was not being cut from the printed program handout. All in all, it was still wonderful to hear the combined OHS'ers in song, as it always is.   The only other organ on the Convention Roster that disappointed me was the Mother Church AEolian-Skinner. Note that I did not say that it was "bad"...simply disappointing. Indeed, it must surely be a fine organ, as every stop we heard was typical of the best work of AE-S in voicing, finishing, and regulation. What disappointed me is this: for an instrument of well over 200 ranks, we never *heard* it as more than a never-ending series of solo stops and smallish combinations. It occurs to me that we could have heard the same exact program played on any other odd "typical" AE-S organ of, say, 40-50 rks, with the same exact musical results. Just once, I would have wished to hear it *roar* (as I assume it is capable of doing). I suppose that this all could boil down to a matter of "programming" (?).   OVERALL, the Boston Convention must rate as one of the (if not *the*) best OHS Conventions ever. I would do the whole thing again tomorrow without a thought, if it were possible to do so. My hat is off to Scot Huntington and the Convention Committee, for giving us all a once-in-a-lifetime experience during the week in Boston.   Awaiting the release of the CD set of the convention (so that I can re-live the best of it at will), I remain   Yours,   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR =20   =20   =20   =20   =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:24:43 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2000 1:15:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << OVERALL, the Boston Convention must rate as one of the (if not *the*) = best OHS Conventions ever. I would do the whole thing again tomorrow without = a thought, if it were possible to do so. >>   Strange as it seems, I have found myself coming away from almost every = other OHS convention I have attended, which is more than a few, saying exactly = what Tim says above. Connecticut, Portland (OR), Denver, Montreal, and now = Boston all stand out in the mind, and will remain there with the help of the handbooks provided.   I am intrigued by Tim's reaction to Wellesley. I have heard it more than = once before, have played it, and have even pumped it! Having it in my church, given the repertoire we do, organ and choral - repertoire which we hope to =   continue doing - as the only instrument, would be a disaster. But that = does not stop me from loving the thing, all aspects of it - construction, = design, sound. Hearing it played by Meg so convincingly was a great experience for =   me. I will have more to say about it when I get to writing my impressions = of Wednesday. First, Tuesday has to get finished - probably tonight.   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:22:07   At 12:15 PM 8/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >the "tuned kazoos" rank used as a solo<snip>   WHY do builders, such as Frisky, USE these "charming" anachronisms?? They're laughable to hear, and probably do more harm than good to the image of the organ as a serious musical instrument to the general public. Oh, I'm QUITE sure a cadre of "tracker-backers" who don't get out much sat in awe of it...but that fact is that they are "tuned kazoos"!   >things got dreadfully ugly quick. >"Discord" is putting it lightly -- it nearly *hurt*!<snip>   ....as would many of the antiques in Europe to modern ears. Face it...this "TrackerMania" garbage has gone far enough. When an organ is SO bad that it drives people to the exits, something's WRONG.   >It was fun to watch our Biggs Fellows riding the bellows-levers up and down<snip>   How absolutely, positively SILLY in this day and age. Fine for a museum, perhaps...otherwise, just self-flagelating silliness.   >...disappointed me was the >Mother Church AEolian-Skinner. Note that I did not say that it was >"bad"...simply disappointing. Indeed, it must surely be a fine organ, as >every stop we heard was typical of the best work of AE-S in voicing, >finishing, and regulation.<snip>   I've heard this before about the "Mutha of All Churches" =C6-S...it's never allowed to really play! I also suspect, from remarks by others with acumen, that the building's acoustics have some negative part to play in the instrument's tonality.   >I suppose that this all could boil down to a matter >of "programming" (?).<snip>   Well, judging from Weschler's account, church "docents" were herding people around like cattle at a feed lot for some strange reason, "sit here...no, don't sit here, sit there..." Hearing this, I would be apt to conject that the church itself had some sort of wierd restriction on the way the =C6-S was played. As Doris Day found out the hard way a long time ago, there's something amiss with that bunch.   DeserTBoB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Re: repertoire From: "Chris Johns" <Chris_Johns@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:09:46 +0200   Bud wrote:   >A lot of 19th century French stuff ISN'T banal IF you get the original French >editions with the original registrations and try and reproduce them as closely >as possible ... they're dependent on the sound of the organ as much as anything.   Ditto 20C French. Do you know the "Mariales" by Hakim? Composed to be = easy, any delightful (they are pieces based on Marian Antiphons)   Chris   Frankenstrasse 5, D-49082 Osnabrueck Tel/Fax +49 (0)541 528 2568 EMail: Chris_Johns@gmx.de    
(back) Subject: commissioning Propers / Griesbacher (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:48:12 -0700   I've had so many responses to both that I think the only thing to do is this:   If the folks who are interested in the commission will submit sketches of the Gradual (only), since that's the shortest item, then the committee can make a decision. Please include with the sketch an indication of your fee for the completed commission. I hope that's acceptable / ethical ... I've never done this before (grin).   If those who want representative copies of the Griesbacher will send me a snail mail address, I'll be happy to mail them ... I don't think the whole Scorch thing is QUITE together yet (grin).   Here are the parameters again, and the text of the Gradual. My snail mail address is attached, below ...   GRADUAL   (Respond)   This place is the handiwork of God: it is a mystery above all telling, that cannot be spoken against.   (Verse)   O God, before whose face standeth the Choirs of Angels, mercifully hear the prayers of us thy servants.   (Respond, repeated)   This place is the handiwork of God: it is a mystery above all telling, that cannot be spoken against.   Unison choir (range: B Flat below middle C to D an octave above middle C, with MAYBE an OCCASIONAL high E Flat or E natural)   Independent accompaniment for organ on three staves and brass quartet (two B Flat trumpets and two trombones)   The settings can be based on the modes of the originals, as follows:   Introit - mode 2 - should be substantial ... 5-7 minutes ... incensations take time Gradual - Mode 5 Alleluia - Mode 7 (could also be mode 5, as we sing the Gradual and Alleluia together, so they could be one through-composed piece) Offertory - Mode 6 - should be a substantial piece, around 10 minutes in   length Communion - Mode 5   or on some related chant, like the Te Deum or Christus vincit (both in Mode 4, I think)   Except for the Introit and Offertory, the rest should be short and to the point (grin) ... 5 minutes max each.   Obviously what I'm after is conservative modal writing ... nothing avant-garde or terribly dissonant ... Durufle and Langlais are the outer   limits of what my congregation will tolerate (grin).   Most of the interest should be in the vocal part and the brass parts, as   we have a small, perfectly dreadful organ. About all it can do is fill in. The choir is pretty agile. For this service I'll have 16-20 singers,   equally divided between men and women.   Cheers,   Bud Clark, Choirmaster and Organist St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church 1723 Westcliff Drive Newport Beach CA 92660-5529 USA    
(back) Subject: service list, Trinity 10 - St. Matthew's-Behind-the-Pizza-Bakery (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:09:02 -0700   Mass of the Pre-Sanctified at 10:30 a.m. (the Rector's on vacation; the Deacon presided)   Solo service sung by Yr. Humble Servant (the choir's also on vacation)   Voluntary - 10 min. worth of Convent Mass - Couperin Processional - Jesus Shall Reign - Duke Street Introit - Dum clamarem - Tone 6 Kyrie - Willan Gloria - Scottish Chant Gradual - Custodi me - Tone 6 Alleluia - Te decet hymnus - Tone 6 (English Gradual II) Offertory Voluntary - Couperin (ibid)   no Sanctus or Consecration at Mass of the Pre-Sanctified   Agnus Dei - Willan Communion - Acceptabis - Tone 1 Communion Hymns (it's summer-time; we DO this in the summer-time) (grin)   1. In the Garden 2. The Old Rugged Cross 3. Rock of Ages Recessional - Light's Abode, Celestial Salem - Regent Square Kneeling Hymn - Day By Day - Sumer Voluntary - Couperin (ibid)   The retired organist from Corona Del Mar was there again today ... I think he was SCANDALIZED (grin). I ring the CHIMES before we sing "Day By Day" (grin). I may not do CCM, but I'll SURE do old gospel hymns (grin).   Cheers,   Bud St. Matthew's Newport Beach CA USA      
(back) Subject: convervion table From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:58:35 -0500   Hello Listers-   Welcome back to those who ventured to Baahstan.   A while back there was a conversion table posted that compared water-inch pressure to tire-guage pressure. Like a dummkauf, I didn't save it.   It would come in handy for my non-organ friends when explaining organ air pressures in laymans terms.   Thanks, Rick      
(back) Subject: Organ Items For Sale From: "Stan Guy" <texstan@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:01:32 -0600   Dear Friends---   I am starting to sell some things from my companion's estate which might be of interest to some here. They are on eBay:   #421742579 The Dictionary of Hammond Organ Stops   #421785641 Art of Organ Building--Audsley   #421798129 The Contemporary American Organ ---Barnes   #421809437 Method or Organ Playing ---Harold Gleason   To see all at once search seller "texstan@earthlink.net". Please email me privately for any further information.   Thanks,   Stan Guy    
(back) Subject: Re: conversion table,,,,pounds pressure to inches of water column From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:52:07 EDT   Rick- 28 inches of water column pressure equals one pound air pressure. At least =   close enuf for demonstration purposes. Cheers, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: repertoire From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:29:26 EDT   In a message dated 8/26/2000 10:16:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << If you can find a library with a set of Tournemire's L'Orgue Mystique, they're anything BUT banal ... unfortunately the individual volumes are up to = about $45 apiece. The Offertories, Elevations and Communions are the most useful. By all means go for getting your own stuff down on paper ... I'm = attempting the same thing. But there is interesting, playable stuff out there ... you = just have to hunt for it. >> Hi List:   I don't see anything wrong with improvisation, but Bud is right, there is = a lot of terrific stuff out there to play, Gordon Young's extant music should just about fill an entire file drawer. His output is about or exceeds 800 = compositions, so there's plenty there to look at. Look for Wilber Held's music, Charles Callahan etc.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Admin Posting: Some Changes at PipeChat - Please read From: "Peter" <organist@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:43:47 -0700   Dear PipeChatters,   For nearly four years now, firstly in the company of Shirley, and in the last 2.5 years, or so in the company of David, I have been involved in PipeChat as Co-Owner, and for a large part of that time as Administrator. When we established PipeChat all those years ago, many = said it would not last, however, they were wrong. It is now an important part of the organ scene on the Internet, and serves as an environment where all =   are welcome as long as we respect one another and try to keep somewhat on the topic. It has been very gratifying over it's history to watch it = grow, have some growing pains, but finally end up in the lively and informed = chat environment we have today.   With the advent of our own Listserver. and the subsequent involvement of David as Administrator, I am pleased to say that PipeChat is in very good hands and has a good future ahead of it. I have therefore decided to hand =   over the total ownership of the list to David -- while he will "own" the list entirely, he will have some administrative help and he will announce that to the list shortly.   Over the past four years many things have changed in my life, and many = more continue to change, all for the better -- it is time for me to move on and =   leave you all to your chatting and fun, and concentrate on what is now the =   new direction of my life. I will still be lurking quietly in the background and say something occasionally when I have the time, but it = will be good to feel that I do not have to keep an eye on you all when David is =   away :):):):)   Thank you for four very enjoyable years. I wish you all God's blessing in =   your music ministry or in your work as organists, and I hope that you continue to support PipeChat as your Internet Chat choice for Pipe Organs and Related Topics.   Blessings to you all,   Pete!   Dr. Peter Pocock Former Co-Owner and Administrator PipeChat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Admin Posting: Some Changes at PipeChat - Please read From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:14:18   At 09:43 PM 8/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I have therefore decided to hand >over the total ownership of the list to David<snip> >Thank you for four very enjoyable years.<snip>   Congratulations (or condolences??) to David! Kudos and many, many thanks to Peter for a truly fine list that "gives in the right places" (to misquote Barbara Owen), and one that stands head and shoulders above the others.   There's plenty of value that I've seen on this list which is missing on = the others...diversity of thought and a free flow of information of all kinds being but two. May it long continue! Up Pipechat!   DeserTBoB ________________________________   "Read my lips...NO NEW TEXANS!"  
(back) Subject: Recital: Stories in Glass IX -- 27 Aug From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:23:05 EDT     S T O R I E S I N G L A S S I X =20 HOLY TRINITY EPISCOPAL CHURCH =20 27 August 2000 ~~ The Eleventh Sunday after Pentecost ~~ Four o=E2=80= =99clock PM Sanctuary Liturgical East Wall -- Our Lord Jesus Christ   (Today's program consisted of narrative of experiences at the OHS Convention= =20 and music played there. )=20   Bruce Cornely, organist =20 ~~ The Program ~~ =20 Church of the Immaculate Conception -- Jesuit Urban Center -- Boston Hymn -- =E2=80=9CLo, He Comes With Clouds Descending=E2=80=9D (Tune: Helm= sley) Organ: E. & G. G. Hook, Opus 322, 1963/Hook & Hastings, Opus 1959, 1902 =20 =20 Most Holy Redeemer Parish -- East Boston Hymn -- =E2=80=9CJesus, My Lord, My God, My All=E2=80=9D (Tune: Sweet Sacr= ament) Organ: Wm. B. D. Simmons -- 1857 =20 =20 Christ Church Unity (Sears Chapel) -- Brookline from Messe pour les Couvents -- Dialogue sur la trompette . . . Francois=20 Couperin Organ: E. & G. G. Hook - 1862 =20 =20 Central Congregational Church -- Jamaica Plain Arioso . . . Leo Sowerby Organ: AEolian-Skinner, Opus 946 - 1936 =20 =20 =20 St. Thomas Aquinas Parish -- Jamaica Plain Hymn -- =E2=80=9CO Worship the King=E2=80=9D (Tune: Hanover) Organ: E. &. G. G. Hook, Opus 160 -- 1854 / Geo. S. Hutchings, Opus 551 --= =20 c. 1898 =20 Follen Community Church -- Lexington from Sonata in A (Op. 65, No. 3) -- Adagio Organ: E. & G. G. Hook, Opus 466 -- 1868 =20 Korean Church (formerly Pilgrm U.C.C.) - Cambridge Chorale -- =E2=80=9CLiebster Jesu, wir sind hier=E2=80=9D . . . J. S. Bac= h Organ: George S. Hutchings -- 1886 =20 Saint Patrick R.C. Parish --- Roxbury (Boston) Prelude Modal . . . Jean Langlais Organ: E. & G. G. Hook & Hastings, Opus 1005 -- 1880 rebuilt Geo. S. Hutchings, Opus 294 -- 1893 =20 =20 First Baptist Church -- Newton=20 Hymn: Coe Fen Andover rebuild of several Hook organs =20 ~~+~~ =20 =20 =E2=80=9CStories in Glass=E2=80=9D Recitals continue... X ~ 24 September, 4pm . . . Sanctuary Liturgical North Wall -- The=20 Church =20 XI ~ 22 October, 4pm . . . Sanctuary Liturgical South Wall -- The=20 Sacrament XII~ 26 November, 4pm . . . Symbols of Advent ~ 25 December, 4pm . . . =E2=80=9CChestnuts and Yuletide Echoes= =E2=80=9D =20 =20 =20     Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Convention sampler (webpage) (Cross Posted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:39:23 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/00 3:13:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, opus1100@catoe.org writes:   << http://www.catoe.org/ohsboston.html >>   Jon, Very, very nice pictures. It was great meeting so many web friends, and always good to see old friends again. Thanks.   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:53:26 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/00 1:13:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << I understand that it remains the instrument with which they accompany services in the chapel, however...go figure!! = >>   DAH! It's in the front! (where the organ should be!).   The hymn that was attempted would not have worked with any temperament. It's silly to blame the organ for the follies of architects and organists. =   Bruce Cremona502@cs.com in the Beagles' Nest with the Baskerbeagles visit the Cornely pack at Holwling Acres: Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502  
(back) Subject: Fw: convervion table From: "Carl & Grace Snip" <cgscissors@aztec-net.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:57:28 -0400   Dear Rick +ACY- List:   I don't recall seeing such a table, but here are the conversions as found = in my stationary engineering books:   1 pound per square inch air pressure will raise a column of water = 27.7+ACI-, therefore 1 ounce of air pressure will raise a column of water 1.732+ACI-.   Carl   -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE +ADw-dutchorgan+AEA-svs.net+AD4- To: pipechat+AEA-pipechat.org +ADw-pipechat+AEA-pipechat.org+AD4- Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: convervion table     (snip)   +AD4-A while back there was a conversion table posted that compared = water-inch +AD4-pressure to tire-guage pressure. Like a dummkaupf, I didn't save it. +AD4- +AD4-It would come in handy for my non-organ friends when explaining organ = air +AD4-pressures in laymans' terms. +AD4- +AD4-Thanks, Rick