PipeChat Digest #1583 - Tuesday, August 29, 2000
 
Fwd: A funny story
  by "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com>
Fwd: Relate an organist's horror story you'd like to share
  by "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: Bamboo organ(long)
  by "harvey smoller" <HARV8@email.msn.com>
Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
RE: repertoire
  by "gordito" <VEM04372@nifty.ne.jp>
Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Balboa Park Austin
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Fwd: an organist's horror story!(DISCLAIMER)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO)
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Trains & pipe organs [was: Heinz 57 organ????]
  by "G. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net>
Re: Trains & pipe organs [was: Heinz 57 organ????]
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO)
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Medinah Temple Chicago Preservation Deal does not include big  Austin (cr
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
 


(back) Subject: Fwd: A funny story From: "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:24:31 GMT     >Subject: A funny story > >This is not an original story, but was forwarded to me. Enjoy! > >The Substitute Organist - Or - >Light On His Feet > >Things were not going well that Sunday... The young minister was >preoccupied with thoughts of how he was going to ask the congregation to >come up with more money than they were expecting for repairs to the >church building. > >To futher complicate things, he found out that the regular organist was >sick and a substitute had been brought in at the last minute. The >substitute wanted to know what to play. > >"Well, here's a copy of the service," he said impatiently. "But you'll >have to think of something to play after I make the announcement about >the finances." > >After the choir's anthem, the minister came to the pulpit and said, >"Brothers and Sisters, we face a great challenge today... The roof >repairs cost twice as much as we expected, and we need $4,000 more. Now, >any of you who can pledge $100 or more, please stand up." > >At precisely that moment, the quick thinking substitute organist played a >stirring rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner!" > >And that is how the substitute organist became the permanent organist.   _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Relate an organist's horror story you'd like to share From: "Rev. Ed" <edwardorgan@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:32:39 GMT     >From: Ron Severin <RonSeverin@AOL.COM> >Subject: Relate an organist's horror story you'd like to share   > >Dear List: > >This might be interesting. We all learn from the circumstances of our >previous employment. I'm talking about having to play the impossible >organ, we've all had at least.... of these. Or the most rediculous or >impossible employment situation you can think of, that happened to you, >maybe the present one? The worst wedding soloist? Last minute changes, >to a service already planned, The solist shows up without music! That >should indeed provide variety. > >Sincerely, > >Ron > >PS I hope this is not off topic as some of these can be amusing and even >funny, years later. > >I'll start off with a situation I went through several years ago. An >Episcopal Church that will remain anonymous brought me in to play and >direct. The organ was a former 10 rank, three manual and pedal reduced >to 7 ranks. The organ man took it upon himself to remove the ranks >without telling anyone, so he'd have more room to tune. The wiring was >to say the least like a cat got in the chamber and had a ball, there was >speghetti everywhere, not tied and not neat. The great Diapason 8' 4' 2' >was moved outside the swell chamber, the bass notes of which didn't work. >as the perflex burst. The swell shades didn't close because this learned >tech didn't replace the booking paper when he releathered the swell >pneumatics. They just ballooned like a puffer fish. Every other note on >the swell Salicional was dead, Celeste too. The diapason's too loud now, >the rest doesn't work at all well, and this lady priest tollerated no >mistakes. I was expected to play for free for ice Cream socials, fashion >shows, dinner entertainment, and an off Broadway Show given in the church >by choir, rector etc. with no religious connection at all. All for free! >Black cloths covered stations, statues, and cross, windows for this >purpose. I guess to assuage the conscience. I finally declined on this = one >and was fired the next day, Sunday. Gone was the Geigen Principal from = the >swell, and several flutes 8' and 4'and so was I.   _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.    
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: <p.wilson2@juno.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:07:02 -0700       On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:27:29 Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> writes: > At 01:41 PM 8/26/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >Place these organs in churches and the attendance would hit the > floor.<snip>   **snip** > >During the dark days of Wagnerian voicing, people did not have > >TV sets and other varied forms of entertainments--the comparison > >doesn't work.<snip?> > > Really? Tell that to the people at the Balboa Park Organ Pavilion, > or who go into Lord and Taylor's to "browse", when they really go > to hear the organ. I don't see TV, et al, as a competitive force to > these venues. > Obviously these organs' audiences don't, either! > > DeserTBoB   And tonight, we had about 3000 people come out in the damp and drizzle to hear Dupr=E9: Po=E8me H=E9roique (Op. 33) Widor: Symphonie in g-minor (Op. 42) Jongen: Symphonie Concertante (Op. 81).   Dupr=E9's Cort=E8ge et Litanie (Op.19/2) was scheduled, but wasn't = performed because of the dampness. (The 'cellists actually had to leave.) Robert Plimpton, our Civic Organist, was accompanied by 57 members of the San Diego Symphony, conducted by David Bowden. It was wonderful! I heard works performed that I had only heard on recordings.   90% of the people who attend these concerts aren't organ "junkies", but they do appreciate good music well-played. Among these are a rather large group of Russian emigr=E9s, mostly retired, who >really< appreciate = concert music.   Granted, these concerts (the Monday night Summer Organ Festival and the Sunday afternoon regular concerts) are free. But, on Sundays, there are usually about 700 people in attendance. Monday Festival performances routinely attract anywhere from 1000-1500. There were about that many at last week's performance by David Craighead, which was something of a surprise to me.   What is it that attracts all these people? Who knows? But they come. By the scores, they come.   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com   PS: The Widor was commissioned by Rodman Wanamaker for the dedication of the six-manual console. Because of his untimely death, it was not performed at Wanamaker's/L&T, and hasn't ever been. Why is that?  
(back) Subject: Re: Bamboo organ(long) From: "harvey smoller" <HARV8@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:22:32 -0700   I was in the Philippines in June and made a special trip to see the bamboo organ in Las Pinas. The Church itself is quite interesting as it is older than the organ-late 1700's. The whole ceiling is made of bamboo. The larger pipes are enclosed in an interesting casework which is mounted high at the back of the church along one side--not the rear. There is a choir loft with a trap door leading to a ladder going down to the organist's position on sort of a ledge. The original dual bellows that must have needed a lot of muscle is still connected but does not function. There = are 2 Ventous blowers both mounted in the bell tower that powers the main = organ and the reeds which are mounted en chamade style. There is a glass window that one can peer into to see the chamber's innards. Most of the pipework is bamboo except for the upper octaves which are traditional metal. I gave it a try to play, but I am not used to the Baroque type pedals and the tracker action. There are a few cd's and a cassette available. I bought the cassette but was unimpressed with the sound--there was street noise on the tape and then the sound of a jackhammer, too. To rate this = as one of the great organs of our time-I wouldn't, but it is definitely worth seeing. It is played in the morning for those who visit. The trumpets really sounded like krummhorns so the whole organ is a bit thin sounding = as there is not 16 ft to speak of. In fact I had to do all kinds of eq to = make the tape sound good. But the idea of bamboo for organ ranks possibly on 8ft or 4ft is definitely a worthwhile addition--I am going to try this on = an organ that I maintain as there is room for this. The sound is definitely sweet as a Tibia without the hootiness. I wonder how it would sound tremmed. -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Bamboo organ     >Bamboo (fishing pole) 1 1/2 " round and 16' long would be one *hell* of a >piccolo! The postcard pic I saw of the instrument has it having an EnChamade >of something-or-other. Wonder if it has coconut shells for temple = blocks?! > >Rick > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >        
(back) Subject: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:26:55 EDT   In a message dated 8/29/00 12:39:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu writes:   If one remembers that canon law requires that the parish musician serves at the pleasure of the rector, then one at least begins to read the Rector's notion that the new broom that sweeps him/her into a situation can properly also bring a new musician to replace the old one. <snip> I don't like it, but that's the church law. Musicians who take jobs in Episcopal churches ought to know this up front and then behave = accordingly.   And what's different from that in the Roman Church? Absolutely nothing. = I would ask, however, if most or all Episcopal parish musicians serve under contractual agreement or a verbal or "gentleman's agreement?" That would, = of course, have SOME clout at least I would think.     The letter states gently but clearly that the new rector desired a new = vision for Smokey Mary's, including for music. (I have no idea what seemed to be wrong with the prior vision for music.)   HEEEEEEEEERE we go. That is scary considering the wonderful tradition of music the Church of St. Mary the Virgin has enjoyed for so many years. So = is the church still blackballed by AGO or what?   Scott F    
(back) Subject: RE: repertoire From: "gordito" <VEM04372@nifty.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:07:16 +0900   Hi, chatters,   The thema of this tree maybe different from my image, but I do want to write for the "repartoire".   I'm a organist of small church in far east Japan. for the repartoire, we are facing every time.   In my church, organist can decide freely the works for prelude, interlude and postlude. We decide upon the pericope and the title of the service. Pericope itself is annouced one year before, but the title (or the subjet) is one week before.   For the organist, I feel, the playing in the service is one of the confession. And the members of the church expect to hearing the new music world for the praying time. Everytime, I annoy with deciding the prelude, interlude and postlude.   My speciality is not the organ, but the piano. As an amateur pianist, my technique maybe the grade of 5th of the elementary school even if I take fifty-two years.   What is the most important thing or practice to broaden the repatoire.   One of the authority of Japanese Church organis says that the organist shall select the works related to the choral. But the choral is the music for several hundreds years ago. I do not agree with her saying, and I select some pieces of l'organiste of Franck, some piece from the six pieces for the chilren by Andre Jolivet with positive organ, the second movement of Mozart's #12 piano concert, Grieg's arietta and notturno. In my country, I maybe an extraordinary organist.   By the way, my son, sixteen years old is now in the state of Pennsylvania going to high school near the city of Erie. If anyone of chatter has the chance to contact with North Western High School of Pennsylvania, please take care one Japanese high school student now studying by the program of International Fellowship. He is different from myself and he likes to play guitar.   gordito@ma3.justnet.ne.jp  
(back) Subject: Re: Burnt beans of Baaahstun From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:24:33   At 03:07 AM 8/29/2000 -0700, you wrote: > Jongen: Symphonie Concertante (Op. 81).<snip>   DAMN! I MISSED it!   As Preston ably states, the Spreckles Austin is a popular venue to say th= e least. The question of whether its popularity would decrease if the migh= ty Austin were a Frisky=AE "Air Calliope=99" is a subject for deep thought. = I wouldn't think such a wheeze bag would be able to do any justice at all t= o any of these monumental works.   DeserTBoB  
(back) Subject: Balboa Park Austin From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:51:15 -0700   A lot of the San Diego Austin's appeal is the venue, now beautifully rest= ored, AND the relaxed atmosphere. One can wear shorts, bring snacks or even a f= ull picnic (parts of the lawn are still well within sound of the organ), etc.= And though more serious music is generally played on the summer evening serie= s, it's still punctuated by informal chats.   It's also worth noting that the concerts were relatively popular even BEF= ORE the restoration of the organ and the pavillion.   Of course, not EVERYBODY has the WEATHER *we* have in Southern California (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   P.S. - a tracker would never CARRY in that setting ... it TAKES 10'' or m= ore of wind to make the amount of sound the Austin puts out.   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 03:07 AM 8/29/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > Jongen: Symphonie Concertante (Op. 81).<snip> > > DAMN! I MISSED it! > > As Preston ably states, the Spreckles Austin is a popular venue to say = the > least. The question of whether its popularity would decrease if the mi= ghty > Austin were a Frisky=AE "Air Calliope=99" is a subject for deep thought= .. I > wouldn't think such a wheeze bag would be able to do any justice at all= to > any of these monumental works. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Fwd: an organist's horror story!(DISCLAIMER) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:02:16 EDT   Hi List:   I wrote this piece months ago, when I first joined the list. I was inexperienced at this at the time, and probably wouldn't share it again. While = interesting, I realize now that such sharing can cause problems on the list. That I won't do now.   However in my innocence, I did share it once upon a time, and did protect the guilty. Everything I said was the unvarnished truth, not exaggerated = one bit. I wrote this when things seemed to grow dull, and there wasn't much = happening for several days. I think it comes up in reprint now from the archives because of the situation in NYC. The archive is the archive and things can be dug = up later to haunt you. I didn't write it to be mean, nor would I post it = again if it killed me.   If you read it with that in mind, Then that would make me very happy!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:49:31 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@webtv.net> To: <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:55 PM Subject: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO     > I hope I am not out of line in posting this thread. But I received my > "The American Organist" magazine today (Monday), in which was printed a > letter from the rector of St. Mary the Virgin, NYC (relating to their > unjust firing of their previous music director/organist). > > Not one iota of decency in it, despite what the words say. Empty words > are just that--empty. > > I'm quite disturbed.   What'd it say? My mother gets all mine now. You can reply directly if you like.   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:54:36 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl E. Moyer <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <anglican-music@list.stsams.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO   > If one remembers that canon law requires that the parish musician > serves at the pleasure of the rector, then one at least begins to read = the > Rector's notion that the new broom that sweeps him/her into a situation > can properly also bring a new musician to replace the old one. The = letter > states gently but clearly that the new rector desired a new vision for > Smokey Mary's, including for music. (I have no idea what seemed to be > wrong with the prior vision for music.)   > Or am I missing something?   Personally, I had always thought that the idea was that the Pastor -and- = the Music Director would work together. I am not a servant of my pastor, but a servant of God. My pastor knows that, that's why our relationship works.   That whole mess as Smokey Mary's is just that--a mess. There is a general lack of respect for people in our field. That's why I don't work for High-and-Mighties anymore.   Isn't there a reason why we're the musicians and they're the clergy? = (Answer to that is "yes". :))   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Re: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO) From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:58:16 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScottFop@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO)   > HEEEEEEEEERE we go. That is scary considering the wonderful tradition = of > music the Church of St. Mary the Virgin has enjoyed for so many years. = So is > the church still blackballed by AGO or what?   It's my understanding that they had to go to our good friends up North to find someone. I haven't heard anything since then.   (Maybe one of our "canuck" friends can fill us in. Hey, they used that expression last night, don't yell at me. :))   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Trains & pipe organs [was: Heinz 57 organ????] From: "G. Jenista" <hiplain@flash.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:56:16 -0500   <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> wrote: > Actually,,,I think that the reference was aimed at convincing the = travelling > public that the C&O did a great job of maintaining their roadbed and = track > structure, hence the smoother ride and the ability to sleep like a = kitten. > The New York Central did a similar thing with their advertising that its > route to Chicago was *the water level route--you can sleep* as a slur = against > the Pennsylvania Railroad, who traversed the Alleghany mountains on its = way > to Chicago and perhaps did not offer as smooth a ride. > Regards to all---Roc > who never found a fireman in the cab of his locomotive that wanted to = talk > about pipe organs :-)   Well, when's the next rules class [grin]? Be glad to gab all day 'bout trains & pipe organs whilst in the cab!!   George Jenista [who really wants to OWN a shortline, AND install a residence pipe organ, at the same time!!!] Fort Worth, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Trains & pipe organs [was: Heinz 57 organ????] From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:38:59 -0500   "I've been work'n on the raailrooad alll the live long daaaaay." Narrow gauge 24", imported french locomotive, real steam. I would like to put a small caliope or a band organ in the last car or caboose. perhaps that is just a pipe dream. (but,,,It could happen there is some support for the idea) Luther Come on up George & all, I'll make sure you get a ride in the cab! Our steam show is Sept. 8,9,10 Dalton, MN   >Well, when's the next rules class [grin]? Be glad to gab all day 'bout >trains & pipe organs whilst in the cab!! > >George Jenista      
(back) Subject: Re: Contracts (Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO) From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:46:18 -0400   At 12:58 PM 29/8/00 -0400, Rebekah Ingram wrote: >(Maybe one of our "canuck" friends can fill us in. Hey, they used that >expression last night, don't yell at me. :)) Yes, don't yell at Rebekah....I used the expression last night, eh? :) Sorry to say I'm clueless about the Smokey Mary's goings-on. If there's going to be a copy of this letter float around via private email, could someone please include me in the Cc line?   On (admittedly very vaguely, eh?) related notes, a few more tidbits from "Ad's Wacky Web Guide":   http://www.icomm.ca/emily/ An American's Guide to Canada. Funny, =   funny page...no knowledge of the great frozen north required.   http://www.bctf.bc.ca/CUEBC/News_Humour/A_Bit_Too_Canadian.html requires a fair bit of familiarity with Canada (and pre-wrapped bacon). Give yourself a bonus point if you didn't stop and go "huh?" at the mention of pre-wrapped bacon. ;)   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: Smoky Mary Letter in TAO From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:14:27 -0400 (EDT)   > > > If one remembers that canon law requires that the parish musician > > serves at the pleasure of the rector, then one at least begins to read = the > > Rector's notion that the new broom that sweeps him/her into a = situation > > can properly also bring a new musician to replace the old one. The = letter > > states gently but clearly that the new rector desired a new vision for > > Smokey Mary's, including for music. (I have no idea what seemed to = be > > wrong with the prior vision for music.) > > > Or am I missing something? > > Personally, I had always thought that the idea was that the Pastor -and- = the > Music Director would work together. I am not a servant of my pastor, but = a > servant of God. My pastor knows that, that's why our relationship works.   With all due respect, let me gently suggest that this type of thought, carried on in the Episcopal Church, is where it goes wrong. The musician is VERY MUCH working for the Rector--and, of course, for God, too. But musicians do well not to think that, somehow because they are "working for God," they need not heed the Rector's expectations, good, bad, or indifferent. The musicians who fails to understand this too often gets in trouble with the rector, who all too easily, as a human being himself/herself, takes the authority available and summarily removes the musician.   Musicians who cannot abide this should not seek or accept jobs in the Episcopal Church. The Episcopal Church does not live or die over having a particular musician, but it *does* live or die over canonical law. I hope that does not sound unduly harsh, but it's the situation.   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Medinah Temple Chicago Preservation Deal does not include big Austin (cross posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:27:54 -0500   A story in the Chicago newspapers reported a deal to preserve the Medinah Temple and adjacent Tree Studios. The Shriners had initially agreed to = sell property to a high rise developer who planned to raze the buildings, but the city intervened and asked that the property deal be put on hold and consideration be given to keeping the buildings intact. It appears that a deal is being completed which would remodel the Temple interior to accomodate a Bloomingdales store and keep the exterior appearance the = same. The plan would also include replacement of some of the onion domes removed =   years ago. It is apparent that the extensive interior renovation leaves no =   future for the historic 1915 Austin organ. At the present plans are being formulated for a farewell concert on the big Austin. When detail are available I will post them.   jch